What is the meaning of the "unequal" exchange of prisoners between the Russian Federation and Ukraine


As a result of tacit negotiations and with the mediation of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, on the night of September 22, another exchange of prisoners took place between Russia and Ukraine. He again became “unequal” (to put it mildly), in other words, the Russian side put up for exchange a much larger number of prisoners, moreover, they were dozens of Nazis from the Azov Regiment * (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation).


According to the lists published in the Ukrainian media, the Russian side handed over 215 people to Ukraine, 108 of them are militants of the nationalist battalion, including his command - Denis Prokopenko (Radish), Svyatoslav Palamar (Kalina) and Sergei Volynsky (Volyn), captured during the storming of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol. All of them are now kept in Turkey as internees and in the most comfortable conditions, ordinary fighters remained in the Chernihiv region, where the exchange took place. Kyiv, in turn, handed over to Russia 54 prisoners of war, including several Russian citizens who had already been convicted in Ukraine. It is noteworthy that the list of those exchanged is not advertised and the event was not widely publicized. According to some reports, on September 22, the Kyiv side allegedly undertook to hand over another 30 of our compatriots.

In addition, the exchange of the disgraced Ukrainian policy Viktor Medvedchuk, who became the 55th. Acting Deputy Head of the SBU Vasily Malyuk speaks directly about his dispatch to the Russian Federation along with our prisoners during the national Ukrainian telethon. The exchange of a citizen of Ukraine, who has nothing to do with the SVO or Russia, raises the second uncomfortable question that arises when analyzing the September exchange through the mediation of a very unreliable Turkey.

Of course, the life and health of every Russian citizen and soldier are of primary value and cannot be shifted in priorities: it is important to rescue everyone. However, much more was given than provided by the opposite side. Especially given the fact that there are many more soldiers and officers in captivity in Ukraine than those who returned on September 21-22. Among other things, during a brief announcement of the event, representatives of the Turkish President and even UN Secretary General António Guterres announced that they were planning an exchange in the “all for all” format. In practice, as you know, it turned out completely differently. The reasons are unknown.

As a result, if you try to solve equation 215 equals 54 (84), then the contradictions become insoluble, and the meaning is lost, unless you increase the “weight”, for example, of Medvedchuk to several dozen citizens of the Russian Federation. In Kyiv, they admitted that "they do not need a traitor." Why is he Russia?

However, on the same day, the transfer of foreign mercenaries from the United States, Morocco and other countries, sentenced to death in the DPR for crimes against humanity, took place. This time, Saudi Arabia acted as an intermediary. All this perfectly complements the overall picture. It turns out that in the liberated Mariupol, welders in vain cooked a strong iron cage for a demonstration tribunal. It will not happen, and all foreign "soldiers of fortune", firstly, will believe in impunity and, secondly, will begin to hope that if they are captured, they will be released, no matter what crime they have committed.
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  1. Human_79 Offline Human_79
    Human_79 (Andrei) 22 September 2022 16: 07
    +11
    we were thrown, as usual!
    1. Mobius Online Mobius
      Mobius 22 September 2022 16: 34
      +8
      I don't know what's the point...

      If only he answered the phone...

      The mother of a boy who died in Donetsk calls her son's phone number while standing by the bus that was hit by a Ukrainian shell.

      The teenager was 14 years old.

      Today, during the shelling of Donetsk, six people were killed and the same number were injured.

      @rt_russian
    2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 24 September 2022 04: 44
      +1
      Watching how to look. Feeding and protecting a crowd of parasites during the war is still a pleasure. Employing them in the DPR is problematic. Our soldiers are now unlikely to take prisoners, especially imported ones. Shoot them on the spot and there are no problems. The Chechens are very unhappy that they were not informed about the upcoming exchange. The war is reaching a new level.
    3. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 25 September 2022 19: 24
      +1
      Quote: Human_79
      we were thrown, as usual!

      Just who will take them prisoner now? What for?
  2. Stinging Nettle (Stinging Nettle) 22 September 2022 16: 13
    +11
    They write that seven of our returned soldiers have been hospitalized with us, but they do not write. for what reason.
    In general, there is almost no coverage of the state of our people who were in Ukrainian captivity. This silence looks treacherous.

    The exchange after a pretentious estimated verdict, in the ratio of four to one, was guessed by the day of the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia - is that on purpose?
  3. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 22 September 2022 16: 28
    +11
    It turns out that in the liberated Mariupol, welders in vain cooked a strong iron cage for a demonstration tribunal. It will not happen, and all foreign "soldiers of fortune" will, firstly, believe in impunity, and, secondly, they will hope that if they are captured, they will be released, no matter what crime they have committed.

    - Yes exactly ! - Personally, from the very beginning I did not believe in any kind of demonstrative punishments (public execution, etc.) - but there is also serving a long sentence - there is Magadan, there is Kolyma and many other "all sorts of resort places" - especially for "such cases "! - There is a life term - no one has canceled it! - And more than half of the prisoners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - just "corresponded" to all these punishments! - And now - on you - they treated all this nonhuman, fattened them in our captivity - and go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine - take up arms and commit atrocities against us again! - I am absolutely sure that they are already forming another national battalion again!
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    2. Tatyana Offline Tatyana
      Tatyana 23 September 2022 12: 58
      +3
      Quote: gorenina91
      And now - on you - they treated all this nonhuman, fattened them up in our captivity - and go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine - take up arms and commit atrocities against us again! - I am absolutely sure that they are already forming another national battalion again!

      And absolutely it will be!
  4. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 22 September 2022 16: 39
    +12
    It was Medvedchuk who was changed to Azov.
    That's what Zelensky wanted. And Medvedchuk is just a Trojan horse ....
    And why 55 prisoners, and not 200. There are a lot of those who believed in Russia. Are they worse than Medvedchuk?
    Fascists, Nazis, thugs and mercenaries laugh out loud at the simpletons from Russia.
    Without Medvedchuk, 55 prisoners could have been exchanged for any of the 8 thousand without Azov .....
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 22 September 2022 18: 41
      +10
      Medvedchuk is a traitor for us rather than for them (just look at the chronicle of events). He is one of those who clearly leaked information about the plans for the operation (Lyusya and Zelya were clearly ready).
      The last time Medvedchuk was used for an attempted exchange was back in March, although his value for us (the people of the Russian Federation) by that time was = 0.
      And now they exchanged a candy wrapper for lard.
      1. Mobius Online Mobius
        Mobius 22 September 2022 23: 18
        +5
        Quote: Vladimir Orlov
        Any militia is worth hundreds of such s... ed Medvedchuks.

        Don't tell No. ... Someone's godfather is more expensive, and godfather, who a long time ago in Russia, ate all the baldness for her husband-oligarch.
        1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 24 September 2022 04: 49
          -1
          Well, yes. What is this godfather who has not been under the godfather. The puzzle has developed laughing
    2. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 25 September 2022 19: 29
      0
      Quote from Hiker
      Fascists, Nazis, thugs and mercenaries laugh out loud at the simpletons from Russia.

      The conclusion suggests itself - in power in the Kremlin, Biden's six, and maybe Lisa of the British. For their children in the West, and the asses of the Nazis will be licked "behind the scenes." No honor, no conscience.
  5. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 22 September 2022 16: 46
    +11
    Isn't the essence of the main action clear - ALL foreign mercenaries held in captivity are given away. (chiefly British and Americans). This is already, as an indicator of betrayal in the highest echelons of power., for what kavrizhki such concessions convicted by the courts with capital punishment - by execution, then there are such kavrizhki. all parasitic phenomena and subjects interfering with the normal functioning of the state .... ...
  6. VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 22 September 2022 16: 52
    +1
    It seems to me that in addition to people, some significant economic aspects are involved in the exchange in favor of Russia. Maybe ammonia, maybe oil prices, maybe Erdogan's services to overcome sanctions or "import substitution", in general, related to the benefits and assistance of Turkey and Saudi Arabia
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 22 September 2022 18: 36
      +9
      Some promises of economic preferences are not worth such a spit in the face of the peoples of the Russian Federation and Donbass. This is extremely humiliating and directly contradicts the goal of the NWO to "denazify" (eliminate the Nazis).
      There is only one conclusion - our court servants (perhaps with the knowledge of the king) once again sold out in front of everyone.
  7. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
    Alexfly (Alexander) 22 September 2022 17: 17
    +7
    So the kumovskaya weight is equivalent to 160 ordinary mortal souls .... Yes, in a word abroad ...
    1. Mobius Online Mobius
      Mobius 23 September 2022 12: 01
      +4
      Quote: AlexFly
      So the kumovskaya weight is equivalent to 160 ordinary mortal souls ....

      Valuable carcass yes
  8. Alexander Popov Offline Alexander Popov
    Alexander Popov (Alexander Popov) 22 September 2022 17: 59
    +4
    Another betrayal.
  9. Irek Offline Irek
    Irek (Paparazzi Kazan) 22 September 2022 18: 05
    +7
    The life of one of our kid is more expensive than a whole herd of banderlogs.
    1. Squid X Offline Squid X
      Squid X (Serg X) 23 September 2022 04: 46
      0
      but in general, if you look for some kind of logic - perhaps we were not informed about everyone in this exchange. there was news that during the Kharkov Pepegrouping, the commander was captured - a major general or something like that. there was even a photo, though not one hundred percent. perhaps exchanged senior officers. and this is just a shame for the Zelensky regime - the Azov people are only a symbol, but the real combat value is small. unlike generals.
      but it's true, trying to be the devil's advocate
    2. Mobius Online Mobius
      Mobius 23 September 2022 12: 03
      +6
      Quote: Irek
      The life of one of our kid is more expensive than a whole herd of banderlogs.

      So why, in this case, did not achieve the exchange of "all for all"?

      How many more of ours and LDNR fighters are there, in captivity?
    3. moran Offline moran
      moran (Andrei) 23 September 2022 15: 04
      0
      Quote: Irek
      The life of one of our kid is more expensive than a whole herd of banderlogs.

      and if next time the Crimea will demand greenery for our prisoners? give back?
  10. HattinGokbori87 Offline HattinGokbori87
    HattinGokbori87 22 September 2022 18: 25
    +3
    Fighters from the Azovstal plant were sent to Istanbul because Turkey is the guarantor of the condition that they will no longer participate in hostilities.
    https://news.yahoo.com/recently-liberated-leaders-azov-regiment-084625647.html

    But there doesn't seem to be any news on why the exchange was uneven.
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    1. Lev Rudey Online Lev Rudey
      Lev Rudey (Lev Rudey) 22 September 2022 19: 27
      0
      From a dead donkey's ears ...
  12. ChopChop Offline ChopChop
    ChopChop 22 September 2022 20: 58
    +7
    Quote: Human_79
    we were thrown, as usual!

    No, they didn’t throw, but wiped their feet. Everything was clear when Tyra was exchanged. Exchanged quietly, it is not clear to whom. The head of the DPR then babbled something incomprehensible. Therefore, if there is a gesheft, then they will sell anyone, even their neighbor.
  13. Andrew13 Offline Andrew13
    Andrew13 (Andrey Shaporev) 22 September 2022 21: 05
    +2
    what a vile and cynical state we live in! Woe...
  14. 1_2 Online 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 22 September 2022 22: 45
    +8
    Yes, it’s a shame, it was necessary to immediately finish the leaders of Azov and mercenaries, Bandera would have agreed to change Russian prisoners of war for officers and privates of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
  15. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 23 September 2022 00: 00
    -2
    There are many cries about the inequivalence of the exchange, but in order to assert this, one must know - which of ours was exchanged?
    As far as I understand, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not name names.
    Of course, all prisoners are of equal value to us, like our people who are in trouble.
    However, there is another criterion for the value of these people - the opportunity to obtain important information.
    Suppose that the exchanged people ensured the beginning of a special operation.
    Much of it went wrong as planned - now it is unlikely that anyone will
    deny. We were expected, prepared, and it is quite possible that these people were intercepted in time.
    In order to understand how this happened, where the failure turned out, you need to thoroughly listen to these people, compare the facts.
    Having understood where we miscalculated, how the leak occurred, we will close the vulnerability for the future.
    This is worth a lot, and can be the value that balances outwardly "unequal" exchange.
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 23 September 2022 01: 09
      +3
      In short, it is clear that nothing is clear ..? But in terms of mobilization, this in itself is bad.
      For everyone wants to know what to fight for and whether they will throw him.
      The number of mobilized will really be 300 thousand, what do you think ..?
      1. Mobius Online Mobius
        Mobius 23 September 2022 16: 07
        +4
        Quote: Vladimir Orlov
        The number of mobilized will really be 300 thousand, what do you think ..?

        Considering that for Russia - 300 people from the total mob. a reserve of 000 people, that's right - "ugh" ( stop don't beat it).
        Here, take it, and purely mathematically calculate how many people will be called up for the whole country, despite the fact that in it:

        - 9 territories + 46 regions + 1 autonomous region + 4 autonomous regions...

        If only the regions give five, six thousand reservists each (in general, a miserable scale on the scale of all mobilization opportunities), then it will be yes 300 thousand.

        And more will be needed, and more will be mobilized.
        And the streets will not be depopulated, you just will not notice the absence of such a small number of people.
    2. Mobius Online Mobius
      Mobius 23 September 2022 12: 07
      +5
      Quote: calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich
      However, there is another criterion for the value of these people - the opportunity to obtain important information.

      And you naively believe that the Ukrainians did not "gut" the carriers of this information under clean?
      1. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 23 September 2022 14: 17
        0
        They were gutted, but WE need to know how and where they were taken, after what contacts, and preferably with a clear chronology.
        Even by what circumstances we cannot restore, it may be clear where we set ourselves up, through whom the leak passed, perhaps even unintentionally.
        1. Mobius Online Mobius
          Mobius 23 September 2022 15: 47
          +4
          Quote: calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich
          who leaked through

          Leak without leak - the whole problem is in the "SVO" format, the extreme insufficiency of the forces involved and the incorrect assessment of both their own capabilities and the capabilities of the enemy.
          The "first bell" rang back in the spring near Kyiv, then, in the summer near Kherson, and only in the fall, near Kharkov, "for the whole of Ivanovo" the BELLS rang, the alarm of which stunned everyone ...

          That is why the threats of the environments from which one had to literally break out or the enemy's local superiority in manpower.
          That's why, no matter how the guys fought, but still, someone could not avoid captivity.
        2. Mobius Online Mobius
          Mobius 23 September 2022 15: 50
          +4
          Quote: calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich
          They were gutted, but WE need to know how and where they were taken, after what contacts, and preferably with a clear chronology.

          In this case, they say - "The train has left", or - "It's too late to drink Borjomi ..." yes
  16. Squid X Offline Squid X
    Squid X (Serg X) 23 September 2022 04: 40
    0
    They took advantage of the hype from the mobilization. They were in such a hurry that they didn’t even bother with the number of soldiers - they recruited whom and how many horrible, in order to slightly cover the Main Goal. Of course, they tolerated the exchange for half a year, restrained themselves as best they could. Putin does not abandon his!
  17. Understanding Offline Understanding
    Understanding (Alexander) 23 September 2022 05: 40
    +1
    Just another betrayal.
  18. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 23 September 2022 06: 00
    +4
    Along the way, now we won’t have a single captured mercenary. Angry soldiers participating in the NWO are now unlikely to be taken prisoner
  19. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
    Electric welder 23 September 2022 06: 48
    +2
    The main soldiers were returned home. This means the Motherland does not forget its sons. And it's not about quantity.
    1. Mobius Online Mobius
      Mobius 23 September 2022 12: 14
      +6
      Quote: Electric welder
      The main soldiers were returned home. This means the Motherland does not forget its sons. And it's not about quantity.

      How is it - "not in quantity"?
      And what, did all the prisoners return to us?
      Why didn't they push the "all for all" exchange format?
      And so it turns out that the Motherland, in the person of the Kremlin, pulled some out of captivity, and simply threw others ...
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 23 September 2022 12: 35
        +4
        Why does no one pay attention to the fact that ALL foreign mercenaries have been handed over, and those that have already been condemned to death, especially the British and Americans. The Englishman said in his first return interview that R. Abramovich's efforts were the main ones in his release. The country should know its own and anti-heroes. According to V. Medvedchuk, he has long been in the highest circles of Ukraine and knows a lot of useful things, and therefore is valuable ..
        1. special correspondent (oleg) 26 September 2022 15: 02
          +1
          So Medvechuk knows a lot of useful things, but hasn't shared this information before? And now, after serving time in Kyiv, will he begin to "gift" this information? Something you are not carrying, colleague.
    2. Alex20042004 Offline Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 (Alexey) 23 September 2022 17: 36
      +2
      The ratio shows how much they (soldiers) are dear to us !!!
      Israel once changed 1 soldier per 1 people.
      And the Germans, we still have a lot to chop, everything is still ahead.
  20. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
    alexandre II (Alexander) 23 September 2022 07: 31
    -1
    If it continues like this, then Russia is kirdyk ...
  21. Chuvachok Offline Chuvachok
    Chuvachok (Dude) 23 September 2022 09: 56
    +1
    I have a slightly different opinion here, and here it is: our prisoners had to be pulled out, as far as I follow this topic (well, according to this year’s channels), crests do not make direct contacts at all, they refuse any negotiations, on captured by them both on ours and on their own. Therefore, what they were ready for was an exchange for media symbols, now they have a damn win! They promised manure extraction - they did it! And the campaign, this was the only condition of the crests, the exchange is only for manure, it is useless to negotiate with them, NO and that's it !!! Somehow it was possible through Erdogan, and possibly through the Emirates, apparently to agree, and yes to go on their terms. BECAUSE YOU SHOULD NOT LEAVE YOURSELF!!!! Not because we are bad negotiators and do not know how to bargain! And because they do not go to any, negotiations, NO and ALL and do not care about yours and others. Now about Medvedchuk, he was simply given away as a makeweight, and then they began to disperse this blizzard, that it was he who was changed to manure. There, our military took a direct part in the formation of the lists, and I doubt very much that Medvedchuk was in the forefront of the list there, and ours should not be counted as ..., everything that is possible has been done. Yes, media they are now on horseback, we agreed to their conditions, but we pulled out at least some of our guys, this is important and correct! DO NOT DROP YOURSELF! Well, whoever does not understand this will continue to pour water on the enemy's mill, dispersing this whole blizzard about Medvedchuk, and not an equivalent exchange. And I don’t care, even if you downvote, EVERYTHING has been done CORRECTLY - YOU SHOULD NOT LEAVE YOURSELF!
  22. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 23 September 2022 14: 07
    +1
    this is the whole essence of the current government - to lie and lie
  23. Alex20042004 Offline Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 (Alexey) 23 September 2022 17: 34
    0
    You will see that Medvedchuk will play a significant role in the future.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 23 September 2022 22: 35
      0
      Of course, he will be president, unless he goes to the barn. Vineta, Hawkeye, and Chapaev are sitting, playing cards and drinking beer. Hawkeye - I have to get out. It turns out a blow is heard in the hallway. He comes back with a bruise on his forehead. Then Vineto asked for forgiveness. He went out, a blow was heard, he returned, there was a bruise on his forehead. Then Chapaev had to go on business. He closes the doors, one blow is heard, then two more blows at once. He returns with two bruises on his forehead and a broken nose. They sit and play cards. We lit our pipes and then Vinetu says - only a pale-faced brother can step on a rake three times. Now, even though this happened during the Civil War, but this is happening, it seems that it is still going on, and there is a herd of rakes all around. Wherever they go, the sound of a rake is heard. And all the brothers walk around with bruises, although only the people are beaten with a rake.
  24. spectr Offline spectr
    spectr (Dmitriy) 24 September 2022 10: 38
    0
    Most likely, this is a hint that despite the announcement of mobilization, we are ready to negotiate.
  25. Foxsvl Offline Foxsvl
    Foxsvl (Vladimir) 24 September 2022 14: 00
    +1
    Such lack of information, as if the people are not trusted, will come out sideways. And this is not the first time and has become a dangerous rule
  26. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 25 September 2022 05: 53
    0
    I have no words, it's just ... some! Upstairs, apparently, they don’t make friends with the head at all fool
  27. Andrey2023 Offline Andrey2023
    Andrey2023 (Andrei) 25 September 2022 07: 35
    0
    Medvedchuk is not an ordinary person in Ukrainian politics. Translate to military ranks, so he is a general.
    Well, what questions can there be?
  28. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 25 September 2022 10: 18
    0
    Kuma will not be taken back to Ukraine? Russian citizenship for merit will be given ...
  29. SIT Offline SIT
    SIT (Stas) 25 September 2022 23: 01
    0
    Obviously, Medvedchuk, unlike all our other prisoners, knows the code of a Swiss bank account, which is of great interest to someone in the Kremlin. Business is nothing personal, to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear, money does not smell, etc. etc.
  30. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 26 September 2022 19: 27
    0
    They merged all the trump cards and were left with the trash ....