Why a war with Ukraine is better than a proxy war between Russia and the collective West


The question of why a large-scale armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine and in Kyiv and Moscow stubbornly refuse to call it a war, officially declaring it to each other, has occupied many people for more than six months, from the very beginning of the NWO. At the same time, it is already obvious to everyone that the limitations of the format of the special operation very seriously tie the hands of the Russian military, who have to fight on a vast territory against a numerically many times superior enemy sponsored by the NATO bloc. What exactly can change the transition from NVO to a “state of war” between Russia and Ukraine?


With this publication, I would like to answer these questions in more detail, as well as the impartial comments of some of our readers, who, not being certified lawyers, having neither theoretical knowledge nor practical experience in jurisprudence, consider it acceptable in an incorrect form to give advice to those who who, by virtue of their profession, is competent to talk on such difficult topics from their own bell tower. So, more to the point.

War with Ukraine = war with all its sponsors?


This completely unfounded assertion is now being actively dispersed by some still surviving adherents of the famous "multi-way combinations". Either out of banal ignorance, or for other reasons, such people take it “in the blue eye” to assert that the fact that Russia has declared war on Ukraine automatically means declaring it to all countries of the Western world, which are now helping the Kyiv regime with weapons and training the Armed Forces of Ukraine on their territory. Is this statement true?

In fact, everything is exactly the opposite. It is the absence of a legal “state of war” between Russia and Ukraine that allows the countries of the NATO bloc to calmly supply more and more heavy weapons, ammunition, fuel and fuel for the war against us for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and also to ignore the Kremlin’s vague threats that they are talking about it. still very sorry. Strictly speaking, why can't they cooperate with Kyiv and provide support to another sovereign state, on whose territory the Russian NVO was launched without a declaration of war? On what basis are they being threatened at all?

Everything will change immediately after the declaration of war on Ukraine and the issuance of an ultimatum to the "Western partners" that their continued military support for Kyiv will be considered their entry into the war against Russia on the side of the Zelensky regime. There will be no automatic declaration of war on Russia by these countries in response, because they are not connected with Kyiv by any allied treaties with specific obligations. For now. But after that, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will have a completely free hand both in relation to actions on the territory of Nezalezhnaya and in relation to Western sponsors. So, it will be possible without any hesitation to launch a missile attack on the logistics center in Poland, through which the Armed Forces of Ukraine receive weapons. Will this automatically lead to war between the NATO bloc and the Russian Federation?

No. As we have already noted, there are no relevant security agreements between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Alliance yet. The NATO bloc will not enter into a war with a nuclear power directly. If, after declaring war on the Kyiv regime, say, Warsaw continues to provide military support to Zelensky, then this will be its private initiative and personal choice. If a missile strike hits Poland after that, Article 5 of the NATO Charter will not come into effect. There is simply no reason for this.

The official declaration of the Independent War will lead to the cessation of the full-flowing flow of Western weapons. Surely something will be delivered gradually, but the volumes will be reduced by an order of magnitude. That is why, knowing all this perfectly well, the Zelensky regime rolled out a draft of the so-called "Kyiv Treaty", where the guarantor countries must provide Ukraine with specific security conditions:

The joint document should set out expanded commitments by guarantor countries to use all elements of their national and collective strength to take appropriate action, which may include diplomatic, economic and military assets.

For the time being, Moscow's hands on the issue of declaring war are untied. Delaying the decision by President Putin will lead to the fact that this window of opportunity will soon be closed, and the USA, Great Britain, Canada, Poland, Italy, Germany, France, Australia, Turkey, as well as the countries of Northern Europe will quite officially stand behind the back of the Nazi regime in Kyiv. Europe and the Baltics, Central and Eastern Europe.

Deprive the Kremlin of the opportunity to "maneuver"?


The following anti-war argument from supporters of "multi-move" raises even more questions. They say that after that Russia will be deprived of the possibility of political, economic and military maneuver, and those who call for a real war are, of course, provocateurs and agents of the State Department. You need to either put them in jail, or give them a machine gun in the mouth and send them to the front line, while honest people scribble comments from their sofas.

Excuse me, what kind of "maneuver" can we talk about? Do you want to limit yourself to “a tit in your hands”, freeing only the Donbass and grabbing the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov to organize a land transport corridor to Crimea? Yes please. The White House and the Pentagon will only applaud such a decision.

For some people life, apparently, does not teach anything at all. Look, in 2008 they stopped tanks 40 kilometers from Tbilisi after a call from French President Sarkozy, and in 2022 Georgia is preparing to join the anti-Russian NATO military bloc and is thinking about opening a second front in the Caucasus, most closely following the course of the NWO. In 2014, Crimea was returned, leaving the rest of Ukraine under the Americans. 8 years later, they got a large-scale war with the Kyiv regime, victory in which, to put it mildly, is not guaranteed in the current state of affairs.

So let's stop halfway again, conclude "Minsk-3" and watch how Kyiv, with the help of the NATO bloc, is preparing the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the Ukrainian-Russian war for Crimea, which it will start when respected "Western partners" consider it necessary. Year in 2024, in February-March, for example. As for the written agreements with the Kyiv regime and its sponsors, hasn't President Putin himself repeatedly complained publicly that they are not respected and that he is constantly being deceived by his “Western partners”? What will change this time? Maybe the Kremlin does not need the very opportunity to "maneuver" and "regroup"?

In this regard, I would like to quote the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov, who as concisely and succinctly drew the line between the format of a special operation and a “state of war”:

How is a special military operation different from a war? You can stop the military operation at any time. You cannot stop the war, it ends either in victory or defeat. I'm leading you to the idea that there is a war going on, and we have no right to lose it. Don't panic now. We need a complete mobilization of the country, we need completely different laws.

No "maneuvers" are allowed! The collective West is waging a war of annihilation against Russia: economically, politically and on the battlefield with the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Half measures in response and attempts to negotiate, perceived as weakness, will not lead to good. To put it mildly.

We will certainly talk in more detail about how our life with you can change in the event of a transition to a “state of war”.
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  1. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 10: 23
    -11
    Sergey, Kalash in your hands and - go ahead!
    Marzhetsky together with Zyuganov is something!
    I have been a member of the CPSU since 1983, but for me Zyuganov is neither a communist nor an authority.
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      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 11: 13
        -7
        And what are you responsible for Marzhetsky?
        Mobilization Putin considers harmful at the moment. It is better not to strain the situation inside the country. Those who want to fight have such an opportunity.
        And the symbolic "mobilization of the whole country" is not for Zyuganov to announce. He had such an opportunity, the people gave him a mandate of confidence in 1995. He did not stop liberal reforms, with him there was a default in 1998.
        That's about the cooperation of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with Berezovsky. https://lenta.ru/news/2003/11/18/kprf/
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 18 September 2022 12: 30
          +5
          The whole strategy of the SVO is initially erroneous, the first ideologically equating Russians with Ukrainians into a single nation is completely inconsistent with the present. For almost thirty years of separate development of states with military confrontation in the Donbass and the Anglo-Saxon zombies of Ukrainians into anti-Russianness, we have a formed Ukrainian nation with a clear alienation and aspiration to the West .. That is why there is such resistance to Russian intentions to subjugate Ukraine by force. Secondly, in such a political and moral situation. starting hostilities with insufficient forces will only increase the bloodshed without the possibility of victory. because we have a protracted war. The strategic planning of the NWO is clearly aimed at the final split and the impossibility of cooperation between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Conclusion: the NWO was clearly planned against the interests of the Russian Federation and Ukraine and possibly hidden enemies of the Russian Federation. A long betrayal of 8 whole years of military confrontation in the Donbass, without legitimizing the independence of the LNR and the DNR, and not accepting them into the Russian Federation., Confirmation of this ... Accordingly, the question is: the strategic leaders of the Russian Federation for whose interests are they working? ...
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 21: 55
            -3
            The whole strategy of the SVO is initially erroneous, the first ideologically equating Russians with Ukrainians into a single nation is completely inconsistent with the present.

            An open opposition of Ukrainians and Russians would be the height of stupidity. This is politics.
            Besides, not everyone there is stubborn. Millions of Ukrainians fled to us long ago. Many are quite normal people. I communicated with them. That's why they ran away because they're normal.

            Secondly, in such a political and moral situation. starting hostilities with insufficient forces will only increase the bloodshed without the possibility of victory.

            And why did you run into this Ukraine? Russia has to keep troops along almost the entire perimeter of the land borders. In Karabakh, for the second time during the NMD, Aliyev started a mess. If he had not seen the reserves of the RF Armed Forces at the border, they would not have been able to stop him. Not only to Armenia, but also to Russia would have popped.
            In Central Asia, the situation is no better, if it flares up, you won't stop it.
            In the Far East, Japan has long been prepared. Help from China, if anything, either will be, or not. Those are still warriors. North Korea is more likely to help than China.
            In the Baltic States, the provocation is not weak, it can explode at any moment.
            The Poles could (and still can) get into a mess. Including in Belarus.
            Therefore, no one is in a hurry, they are waiting for the onset of cold weather in Europe and Ukraine, leaf fall in Ukraine.
            And Putin could no longer start the NWO. He would like to calmly wait for the critical situation in Ukraine. But they didn't.

            The strategic planning of the NWO is clearly aimed at the final split and the impossibility of cooperation between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

            According to the results of the SVO, Ukraine should not remain, at least not one with which it would be necessary to cooperate.
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 18 September 2022 22: 17
              0
              (Boriz) It’s not necessary to justify it unjustifiably .. If they have come to such political tension around the Russian Federation, then the policy is not the same, the leadership is not the same ... Why did they allow things in Ukraine to such an extent that they had to enter by military force where they were before, why they allowed (Chernomyrdin, and other figures). Further, if they went by force to Ukraine, then only with a "blitzkrieg", otherwise there is no need to start. All things are being done the other way around, maybe this is a tactic of exterminating patriots, both Russian and Ukrainian. For V. Zelensky, like many in the Kremlin, these ites, patriots prevent them from acting with impunity ...
            2. Pavel N Offline Pavel N
              Pavel N (Paul) 19 September 2022 21: 31
              +1
              By the way, the mess in Karabakh was started by Armenian provocateurs on the orders of the Americans, and not Aliyev
    2. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 19 September 2022 10: 42
      +2
      Don't panic now. We need a complete mobilization of the country, we need completely different laws.

      No "maneuvers" are allowed!

      Unless the West, with power in Moscow, is conducting a joint operation to destroy Russia.
      There are too many "mistakes and inconsistencies" in the actions of the Kremlin. Maybe we are wrong, but somehow very, very exciting doubts about the outcome of this NWO. And even, not so much, in the actions of the West.
  2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 18 September 2022 10: 31
    +6
    I completely agree with this, the game of nobility and the stubborn desire to fight in a sparing regime, at half strength, without taking off white gloves, is already annoying and frustrating, the hopes that the alleged Ukrainian population will see the light tomorrow, condemn the actions of their criminal puppet government and try to change the authorities in Ukraine are stupid and insolvent, you should not hope for it, if they really wanted it, they would have done it long ago, dill propaganda completely overshadowed the brains of the Ukrainian population, in fact, these are zombies that are not able to think soberly and adequately, they were deprived of this opportunity , and if some of the sober-minded people still remained there, then they were driven into a corner by harsh repressions and terror, this Nazi state must be destroyed in full and the sooner the better, you can’t stop halfway and again join the criminal regime in any negotiations.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 10: 40
      -8
      Kadyrov explained to you what to do. I look forward to hearing from you from the front line.
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 13: 58
        +4
        Quote: boriz
        Kadyrov explained to you what to do. I look forward to hearing from you from the front line.

        Clearly understood yes ..."You go to the front, and I'll sit here"

        GREAT good
        1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 18 September 2022 14: 38
          0
          and this is the real "member" of the CPSU laughing
          1. Corsair Offline Corsair
            Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 14: 48
            +1
            Quote: rotkiv04
            this is the real "member" of the CPSU

            Do you know how the Komisar (political officer) of the Red Army differs from the post-war "remake" - the Deputy Commander of the SA?

            The commissar said - "Do as I do", and led to the attack, and the Commander-in-Chief, said - "Do as I said" and sat out on the KNP / KP ...
        2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
          Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 September 2022 16: 43
          -3
          Sit out, these are your words!
          Why do you transfer your perception to your opponent?
          1. Corsair Offline Corsair
            Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 17: 42
            +1
            Quote: The Fourth Horseman
            Sit out, these are your words!
            Why do you transfer your perception to your opponent?

            I did not write that I would wait for news from the front.
            1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
              Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 September 2022 17: 57
              -4
              But you put your meaning into it. Interpreting how you want.
              This is called manipulation.
              Why are you doing this?
              1. Corsair Offline Corsair
                Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 18: 22
                +2
                Quote: The Fourth Horseman
                But you put your meaning into it.

                Comment without meaning - deep nonsense and sucks yes lol

                Quote: The Fourth Horseman
                Interpreting how you want.

                Interpreting as he thought possible (according to the context and focusing on the Rules of the resource).

                Quote: The Fourth Horseman
                This is called manipulation.

                It is called - personal opinion.

                If you don't like it, move on, others will appreciate it.
                1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
                  Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 September 2022 18: 37
                  -4
                  Yes, xoxlopassport then you changed.
                  But xoxlism and Ukrainianism have remained.
                  1. Corsair Offline Corsair
                    Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 21: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: The Fourth Horseman
                    Yes, xoxlopassport then you changed.

                    But think about it - Haven't changed yet fellow Not leisure.

                    Quote: The Fourth Horseman
                    But xoxlism and Ukrainianism have remained.

                    Of course of course yes "Khokhlism and Ukrainianism" just rushes out of me.
                    Even after 3 years with a "tail" in the NM DPR under a contract, and participation in the "SVO" as a volunteer, and 2 wounds ...

                    All of himself is such a "crest uniform" yes

                    You are a master of labels yes...
        3. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 22: 12
          -4
          Quote: boriz
          Kadyrov explained to you what to do. I look forward to hearing from you from the front line.

          Clearly yes ... "You go to the front, and I'll sit here"

          WONDERFUL good

          I am 66 years old. I have no value for the army. He served his time when you were not in the world.
          But what is “remarkable” is that those who think of themselves separately with it are agitating for mobilization.
          I would like to fight - I would go without mobilization. What will happen if they announce it? Mow?
  3. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 10: 46
    -7
    Sergei in his repertoire. Sent me a private message:

    What kind of communist are you? you are a protector and protector. Because of people like you, the USSR collapsed.

    I was embarrassed here. But at the same time I was banned, depriving me of the opportunity to answer.
    It is spoken by a liberal and a failed worker of the prosecutor's office.
    And I don’t need to poke, I don’t need to freak out.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 13: 55
      +5
      Quote: boriz
      It is spoken by a liberal and a failed worker of the prosecutor's office.

      How do you know and judge who and how took place / did not take place?

      Actually - and the definition of "liberal", you "sticked" to the author "for no reason", not knowing his beliefs, not familiarizing yourself with the direction of what he publishes here ...
      1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 September 2022 16: 48
        -6
        O! A couple of comments above, what are you doing?
        Don't judge, don't judge?
        1. Corsair Offline Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 17: 50
          +3
          Quote: The Fourth Horseman
          O! A couple of comments above, what are you doing?
          Don't judge, don't judge?

          So было on what basis to "judge" yes
          In addition, I did not stigmatize, did not defame, did not hang labels ...
          1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
            Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 September 2022 17: 58
            -5
            BUT! Yes! #thisOther!
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 22: 23
        -6
        Actually - and the definition of "liberal", you "sticked" to the author "for no reason", not knowing his beliefs, not familiarizing yourself with the direction of what he publishes here ...

        Before you write nonsense, look who is registered here when.
        The author has one conviction, to drive waste paper in bulk. For example, compare yourself and me by registration time. You are here for a week without a year. Almost none of the old readers are left. Thanks to authors and commentators like you. Then write that I do not know his beliefs.

        How do you know and judge who and how took place / did not take place?

        There is internet for that.
        1. Corsair Offline Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 19 September 2022 00: 10
          +3
          Quote: boriz
          Before you write nonsense, look who is registered here when.

          Quote: boriz
          You are here for a week without a year.

          Didn't confuse anything???

          "Corsair" - registration on the site in 2012, "boriz" - 2015 ... (and the fact that I was absent from the site for some time, so the reason, I think it's valid - WAR ...)

          In other recourse ... Are you sure that by registering earlier than anyone else, you automatically become smarter, more reasonable, more honest?
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 19 September 2022 00: 47
            -6
            you since 2013. No comments left for 2020.
            In 2020 - 2 comments.
            In 2021 - 1 comment.
            And in August 2022 excited about something. Why would?
            Me since 2015 regularly read the site and made comments. Do not get off the topic, it's not about the mind, but about the knowledge of what Marzhetsky is. You were not on the site, but I was regularly, for many years, getting acquainted with his "creativity". Therefore, you are not competent in this matter.
            You since February 3, 2013. (yes, exactly from 03.02.2013/2012/2022, and not from XNUMX) in the war? Look for fools in the mirror. The impression is that from the beginning of August XNUMX. you are being paid to take your brain out here. It is enough just to compare the activity.
            Therefore, it is hard to believe in the WAR and in the DPR, as far as you are concerned. From comments until 2022 it doesn’t follow in any way, and what nickname and avatar you had then is unknown.
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            3. isofat Online isofat
              isofat (isofat) 20 September 2022 10: 27
              -1
              boriz, I think that this is a Khazar who pretends to be a corsair from the outskirts. yes
  4. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 18 September 2022 10: 48
    +1
    It's not about the name, it's about the essence
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 18 September 2022 10: 57
      -1
      the name and essence of what? Ukraine? you can rename shit to shit laughing so the Little Russians were renamed into Ukrainians.
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 18 September 2022 14: 42
        +3
        Quote: passing by
        you can rename shit to shit, and Little Russians were renamed into Ukrainians.

        But but but stop lol I lived with a red USSR passport and the entry "Ukrainian" until 1999, I did not want to change it to blue ...
        But I had to, under the irresistible pressure of circumstances.

        And here you are dipping me in dermishko ...
        1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 18 September 2022 15: 16
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: passing by
          you can rename shit to shit, and Little Russians were renamed into Ukrainians.

          But but but stop lol I lived with a red USSR passport and the entry "Ukrainian" until 1999, I did not want to change it to blue ...
          But I had to, under the irresistible pressure of circumstances.

          And here you are dipping me in dermishko ...

          and this "historian" probably does not know that the inhabitants of the Krasnodar Territory, Stavropol, Kuban were also classified as Little Russians, so how then do Ukrainian Little Russians differ from Russian Little Russians, then there was not even such a nationality, then there was one definition for today's Russians and Ukrainians - Orthodox
  5. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 18 September 2022 10: 53
    -5
    proxy war is a war to the last Khokhlofamily on both banks of the Dnieper. The left doesn't like it...it should be like after the massacre of the Gaidamaks. every 50 years, remove the "cream" and leave the remaining livestock until a new betrayal and massacre of the Russian population. it was like that centuries ago and will continue for centuries....
  6. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 18 September 2022 11: 45
    0
    Everything will change immediately after the declaration of war on Ukraine and the nomination of "Western partners" an ultimatum that their continued military support for Kyiv will be considered their entry into the war against Russia on the side of the Zelensky regime. There will be no automatic declaration of war on Russia by these countries in response, because they are not connected with Kyiv by any allied treaties with specific obligations. For now. But after that, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will have a completely free hand both in relation to actions on the territory of Nezalezhnaya and in relation to Western sponsors. So, it will be possible to launch a missile attack on a logistics center in Poland without any hesitation, through which the Armed Forces of Ukraine receive weapons. Will this automatically lead to war between the NATO bloc and the Russian Federation?
    No. As we have already noted, there are no relevant security agreements between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Alliance yet. The NATO bloc will not enter into a war with a nuclear power directly. If, after declaring war on the Kyiv regime, say, Warsaw continues to provide military support to Zelensky, then this will be its private initiative and personal choice. If a missile strike hits Poland after that, Article 5 of the NATO Charter will not come into effect. There is simply no reason for this..

    In fact, all the previous ultimatums of our leadership did not frighten anyone. What changed?
    Where does such confidence come from that striking Poland will not entail anything? In this case, I can confidently state the opposite: the escalation of the conflict will sharply increase.
  7. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 18 September 2022 12: 20
    0
    No one will let Russia stop at the Polish border, one hundred percent. At least until the United States tightens up its hypersound.
    Now Russia is missing its last chance to eliminate the threat from the United States, dispersing its forces to fight Bandera.
    If earlier it was possible to refer to the fact that women still give birth, now that's it, amba. They don't give birth. One child for them is already a feat. Yes, and from such women as they are now in Russia, children are not particularly desirable. The sexual revolution has seduced Russian women, it's all s...
    Initially, once threatening to strike at the decision-making centers, it was necessary to demolish the States to the ground. And every day this window of opportunity is closing.
    Either the States or Russia. This choice confronts the entire planet with frightening clarity.
  8. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 18 September 2022 13: 53
    -2
    Quote: boriz
    I have been a member of the CPSU since 1983, but for me Zyuganov is neither a communist nor an authority.

    it was because of such "members" of the CPSU that the union collapsed, as in those days such people supported idiots like humpbacked and Yakovlev, and now they support everything they say from the Kremlin
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 September 2022 16: 57
      -2
      Id-you, these are those who call for Maidan-jumps, the overthrow of power in Russia. Pots are not only yellow-vomited, but red and white-blue-white
      You, like the West, Putin, that with a sickle on the piers.
      You all dream of making Ukraine out of Russia. With the same discord and lawlessness.
      1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 19 September 2022 07: 27
        +2
        Quote: The Fourth Horseman
        Id-you, these are those who call for Maidan-jumps, the overthrow of power in Russia. Pots are not only yellow-vomited, but red and white-blue-white
        You, like the West, Putin, that with a sickle on the piers.
        You all dream of making Ukraine out of Russia. With the same discord and lawlessness.
        ... to you on all snout!

        do not think for others and do not carry a gag, but rather pass by when it does not concern you
        1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
          Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 19 September 2022 07: 44
          -5
          That is, to think out from yourself and carry a gag, is this exclusively your prerogative?
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 18 September 2022 22: 37
      -5
      it was because of such "members" of the CPSU that the union collapsed, as in those days such people supported idiots like humpbacked and Yakovlev, and now they support everything they say from the Kremlin

      There were 19 million such members of the CPSU, if you don't know. But no more depended on them than on those who chose between Poroshenko and Zelensky. The country was leaked by traitors at the level of deputy. head departments of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
      I did not vote for Yeltsin. Yes, the election results were faked, but perhaps this influenced further events. I always vote for Putin.
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      2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 19 September 2022 08: 16
        +1
        Why is Putin better than Yeltsin? The fact that corruption is going through the roof, a state has been created for officials, Russia for Putin, protest demonstrations have been reduced to nothing. The constitution is under Putin, not a single opponent. War has come to our house under him, our territories are being shelled by the enemy. The integrity of the country is really under threat. And this achievement. You can continue to vote.
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  10. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 18 September 2022 18: 00
    -1
    What is better proxy war with NATO on the territory of Ukraine or open war with Ukraine. It will be better if the entire territory of Ukraine returns to Russia and peace comes. How the victory will be achieved is not the main thing, the winners are not judged. In essence, in Ukraine, there is a Civil War of Western Ukraine led by Kyiv with Eastern Ukraine. NATO countries and its satellites are fighting on the side of Kyiv. Eastern Ukraine is supported by the Russian Federation in the form of NWO. The tsar and the "elite" of the Russian Federation do not want victory, hence all the troubles at the front. NATO did not give the "elite" the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of Ukraine, and the first victories of the NWO turned into defeats. The decision of who will win in Ukraine is in the Kremlin. It is impossible to win if there is no enemy, there is no war. While the Kremlin is demonstrating a "goodwill gesture", regrouping, Odessa noise, flirting with NATO countries. "Elite" calls Russia's enemies partners, friends. So who is fighting whom? It turns out that the "elite" of the Russian Federation and the elite of NATO embrace behind the backs of the peoples, for them this is a computer game, only in the real world.
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 September 2022 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: vlad127490
      The tsar and the "elite" of the Russian Federation do not want victory, hence all the troubles at the front.

      And why did they start fighting then?
  11. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 September 2022 22: 38
    +1
    In general, one started - part agrees, everyone disentangles,

    Straight from Chernomyrdin: They promised better, it turned out as always ...
  12. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 18 September 2022 23: 46
    -2
    Quote: boriz
    Sergey, Kalash in your hands and - go ahead!
    Marzhetsky together with Zyuganov is something!
    I have been a member of the CPSU since 1983, but for me Zyuganov is neither a communist nor an authority.

    For Zyuganov - I think you are the same. The only difference is that he created the party, and you haven't yet. And besides general chatter, what arguments will you have?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 September 2022 00: 57
      -6
      The only difference is that he created a party, ...

      And threw in 1995. the electorate who trusted him.
    2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 19 September 2022 09: 35
      -6
      Commercial Party of the Russian Federation?
  13. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 18 September 2022 23: 57
    -1
    Quote: boriz
    Quote: boriz
    Kadyrov explained to you what to do. I look forward to hearing from you from the front line.

    Clearly yes ... "You go to the front, and I'll sit here"

    WONDERFUL good

    I am 66 years old. I have no value for the army. He served his time when you were not in the world

    You have to understand that you are one of those who betrayed the Soviet oath? This is now called "served" ..... understandably.

    And I "during it" participated in protests against the Yeltsin regime. He received beatings from the police .... And "dear Russians", looking at such people, laughed and twisted their fingers at their temples ... . And now I've served.
    And my conscience is clear.

    And if mobilization, I will wave my handkerchief to the children and granddaughters of those who betrayed the oath given in the USSR.
    Let them say: "thank you grandfather ..."

    Work brothers, work!
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 September 2022 01: 05
      -5
      And I "during it" participated in protests against the Yeltsin regime.

      And how did it help? You picked it up, why didn't you throw it off?
      At that time, I was trying to keep the production of chips on the scale of the workshop entrusted to me. About your own success.
  14. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 19 September 2022 08: 51
    0
    The war has begun. The same as in 1941. All the same, plus the USA. Therefore, we need to mobilize. Otherwise, there will be no Russia, like, for example, the great Ottoman Empire, or Great Armenia. Where are they all?
  15. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 19 September 2022 08: 58
    +1
    There will be war with the West. Sooner or later. Rather early. The West has no resources. Russia has Great Siberia. You just have to be well prepared for the inevitable. Just God forbid us a second Yeltsin! Then for sure - HANA!
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 19 September 2022 09: 16
      -4
      There will be war with the West.

      The war with the West is already underway. But the more Putin now draws weapons from them, the less likely it is that the armed forces of the West will be directly involved. They will not be able to quickly restore the squandered. And the economy is getting closer to collapse and their people already understand this. With the start of the heating season will understand completely.
      Time is working against them. Therefore, there is no need to make sudden movements, such as declaring mobilization. Then the second Yeltsin will not appear.
      1. gene1 Offline gene1
        gene1 (Gennady) 19 September 2022 10: 40
        -1
        Volodin wrote in the cart that there was a new rhetoric on the part of the United States and Brussels: negotiations depended on Zelya, although earlier they had said that everything should be decided on the battlefield.
      2. Mobius Offline Mobius
        Mobius 19 September 2022 20: 29
        +3
        Quote: boriz
        The war with the West is already underway.

        It is impossible to call what is happening on the "square" a classic open war between Russia and the West, NATO.

        So far, by all indications, this is a proxy war by proxy, on someone else's territory.
        After all, even the contingents of foreign curators-advisers, the West does not openly present ... "Ikhtamnet"
  16. depavel Offline depavel
    depavel (Pavel Pavlovich) 19 September 2022 15: 03
    0
    Since 99, no one has been hiding the methods and techniques being worked out in Yugoslavia and being used against us now. What happened? Apartheid to compatriot migrants - there is no replenishment of the mob reserve, thousands of enterprises are closed, the liquidation of the banking system - with a decrease in the liquidity of military-industrial complex enterprises, squeezing the "Golden teeth" of the "Golden heads" to the West. This is Putin, the half-hearted, undecided president. Who is he with?