What are the main results of the hasty "regrouping" of the RF Armed Forces in the Kharkov region


What happened in the last few days in the Kharkiv region requires its reflection in order, as they say, to exhale and move on. Let us sum up some results of the large-scale counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Eastern Front.


"Regroup"


To begin with, I would like to put together all the relatively “optimistic” versions that try to explain the rapid regrouping and retreat of Russian troops from almost all of their former hard-won positions in the Kharkiv region.

The well-known military expert Konstantin Sivkov tried to generate something positive, who considered the hasty maneuvers of the allied forces to lure the enemy into a “fire bag”:

In general, we can say that the most combat-ready formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being ground. They will also become the main target during the upcoming offensive of the RF Armed Forces. If the combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had remained in the fortified areas, they would have caused us many problems, but we managed to lure them into the open and are now systematically destroying them.


Well, God forbid. True, it is still not clear what forces the RF Armed Forces should then launch a counteroffensive and break into half-empty Kharkov.

Another version, expressed in the comments on various Internet resources, belongs rather to the category of Putin's famous "multi-moves". Say, we left on purpose to hang on Kyiv the maintenance of vast and war-torn territories on the eve of winter. To what extent this approach is adequate, judge for yourself.

Woe to the vanquished


Be that as it may, a very high price will have to be paid for the "regrouping".

At first, Russian troops lost a strategically important foothold in Izyum, which was absolutely necessary to complete the liberation of Donbass. Without it, it will not be possible to encircle and take the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration. We will have to storm head-on for a long time and stupidly, putting down a huge number of our military personnel, but without a guarantee of success.

That is, the task declared by President Putin to completely liberate the territory of the DNR and LNR, most likely, will not be fulfilled. In the winter, the Donbass will leave without water, and, most likely, they will eventually have to negotiate with Kyiv to restore the water supply on its terms.

Secondly, on the territory of the Kharkov region, as a result of a rapid “regrouping”, numerous supporters of cooperation with Russia and its CAA remained, who did not have time to evacuate, and now they are waiting for the most unenviable fate. And this is after it was publicly promised that the Russian troops would definitely not leave anywhere. Trust in our country will now be zero in Ukraine, and the inhabitants of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov will probably reconsider their attitude to participation in referendums on joining the Russian Federation.

Thirdly, the so-called Russian lend-lease took place. The Internet is replete with photographs of a large number of armored vehicles abandoned by the RF Armed Forces, which fell into the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Izyum. The enemy will now get stronger and use the spoils to wage war against us.

Fourthly, there was a powerful blow to the foreign policy image of Russia and its army, which was considered "second in the world." They are now laughing at us in Ukraine and in Western countries, pointing out that the RF Armed Forces have not been able to liberate Donbass for more than six months, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have driven them out of the entire Kharkiv region in just four days, taking a bunch of "nishtyakov" at the same time.

Fifthly, the enemy has indeed achieved very serious military results. All the empty promises of the Ukrainian propagandists Arestovich and Gordon to launch a counteroffensive as early as August and start pushing the Russians out of their positions suddenly turned out to be not so empty. The Ukrainian society rejoices, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are motivated to continue further struggle. In response to the usual mumbling of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov about the negotiations, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov said that Kyiv would only be satisfied with the return of all territories to the state of the borders between the countries on December 1, 1991:

There are no options for "February 24" for Ukraine. go out.

Which is to be expected. Woe to the vanquished. The shortage of Russian forces involved in the NMD and the continuous strengthening of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which many times outnumber the contingent of the RF Armed Forces, as well as the exceptionally successful counter-offensive in the Kharkov direction, give Kyiv the opportunity to talk with Moscow “through the lip”. It was necessary either to immediately fight in earnest, for a victorious result, or not to start at all.

Do yesterday's missile attacks on Ukraine's energy system mean a change in the Kremlin's approach? We'll see. The main thing is that this does not turn out to be a mock belligerence in the style of "keep me seven, I'm psychic" before allowing President Macron to talk himself into suspending the NWO. I remember that in 2008 the attack on Tbilisi, which was 40 kilometers away, was also stopped after a call to the Kremlin by French President Sarkozy. And now Georgia is in line to join NATO together with Ukraine.
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  1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 12 September 2022 11: 17
    +20
    And the most offensive thing is that all sane people have been talking about this since April ... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to win in a situation where the enemy has a numerical superiority, has the ability to train and arm reserve units on NATO territory, and even without any problems transfer them to front ... For all communications are intact. In such scenarios, the current sad outcome is quite natural.
    1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 12 September 2022 16: 29
      +4
      The point is not in the advantage, but in the intensive transfer of Western military equipment to Ukraine with absolutely intact means of communication.
      1. zloybond Offline zloybond
        zloybond (steppenwolf) 13 September 2022 23: 16
        +4
        Definitely. But we regularly watch spectacular shots of missile launches on all channels. Only the shots would be spectacular if there were missile strikes on the engine rooms of the turbines of power plants, tunnels on the border of the Outskirts with the West, railway sidings and stations, airport towers, TV centers, the General Staff, the Central Security Service, etc. ..... here targets, not transformers. An engine room with destroyed generators is not even months of repair - years !!!
        But someone was preparing for a tank ballet - and someone for war.
    2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 15 September 2022 13: 42
      +1
      the saddest thing is that the border territories have become an arena of shelling, contrary to what was said that Russia will no longer fight on its territory .....
  2. k7k8 Online k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 12 September 2022 11: 21
    +6
    Quote: Sergey Marzhetsky
    It was necessary either to fight immediately in earnest, for a victorious result, or not to start at all

    It seems to me that sneakers addressed to everyone who believes that the current war should have been started no later than 2015 are slowly hiding under the bench.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 11: 39
      +14
      Quote: k7k8
      It seems to me that sneakers addressed to everyone who believes that the current war should have been started no later than 2015 are slowly hiding under the bench.

      In 2014, during the period of Slavyansk and the "Russian Spring", no later ...

      But ... The Kremlin, both then and now, turned out to be incapable of a reasonable, balanced assessment of the situation ...
      1. k7k8 Online k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 12 September 2022 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: Corsair
        In 2014, during the period of Slavyansk and the "Russian Spring", no later ...

        You are right, but in the first half of 2015 it was still possible to make it.
        1. Corsair Offline Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 13: 11
          +5
          Quote: k7k8
          and in the first half of 2015 it was still possible to make it.

          Unless - catching up, to cling to the rapidly departing train of opportunities. With all the consequences.

          But ... Moscow itself did nothing, and tied us hand and foot with the "Minsk" they needed.
          Moreover, under the pretext of creating "full-fledged AKs, they dispersed the most motivated part of the militia and, in fact, created nothing in return ...
        2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
          ja.net.1975 15 September 2022 13: 44
          0
          You can, but my uncle did not order ..!
  3. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 12 September 2022 11: 39
    -7
    Firstly, a significant grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine got bogged down in the north-east of the Kharkiv region. It would be nice for the author of the article to explain how it is supposed to supply all these motherfuckers. Do they still have the ability to maneuver? Secondly, in what way did all these numerous supporters manifest themselves, apart from the queues for humanitarian aid? Thirdly, how is it supposed to use the Izyum tank army repair base (if it exists there at all)? Fourthly, the NWO is not finished, chickens are counted in the fall. Fifth, how has the balance of power changed over the past few days? It would be nice to voice the losses of the parties.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 September 2022 12: 38
      +9
      The losses of the parties are tens of thousands of Russians in the Kharkov region, who are already beginning to be a nightmare.
      This defeat without any abstruse words. And Lavrov's speech is just the height of stupidity. Didn't expect this from him.
    2. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 13: 12
      0
      Quote from DeadPahom
      Fourth, CBO is not finished

      Why isn't it finished? BUT ???
    3. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 17 September 2022 12: 45
      0
      By the end of autumn, winter with such poultry houses, the entire "poultry farm" will be closed .. fellow No matter what the eccentrics (m) take on, they do everything in an eccentric way. fool
  4. aslanxnumx Online aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 12 September 2022 11: 39
    +9
    Sailed. What more i can say.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 13: 14
      +4
      Quote: aslan642
      Sailed. What more i can say.

      Well, you can also say this:

      - "They swam and swam, but on the shore they managed..."
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 15 September 2022 13: 46
        0
        messed up on the way to the shore....
  5. Pavel Mokshanov_2 (Pavel Mokshanov) 12 September 2022 12: 14
    +3
    And what would Comrade Zhyukov say about this? Sorry, he's been gone for a long time. But he would not allow such garbage!
    1. k7k8 Online k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 12 September 2022 13: 06
      -2
      Quote: Pavel Mokshanov_2
      And what would Comrade Zhyukov say about this?

      He would not have said anything, because Zhukovsky's methods of warfare are applicable only to mass mobilized armies.
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 15: 13
        +4
        Quote: Pavel Mokshanov_2
        And what would Comrade Zhyukov say about this?

        Quote: k7k8
        He would not have said anything, because Zhukovsky's methods of warfare are applicable only to mass mobilized armies.

        In your opinion, it turns out that G.K. Zhukov is a ossified dumbass who thought and acted only within the framework of templates?
        The timing and challenges were such that exactly the methods of planning and conducting operations that were required according to the situation were applied.

        It would be different, and the marshal's decisions would be different.
        1. k7k8 Online k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 12 September 2022 15: 17
          -4
          Quote: Corsair
          In your opinion, it turns out that G.K. Zhukov is a ossified dumbass who thought and acted only within the framework of templates?

          This is just your idle speculation. Don't look for a black cat in a dark room. Especially if it's not there.
      2. Alex R_2 Offline Alex R_2
        Alex R_2 (Alex R) 13 September 2022 13: 09
        +1
        Check out Zhukov's biography, for example, Khalkhin Gol
  6. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 12 September 2022 12: 17
    +4
    There are two options for such a hasty retreat in the Kharkov direction (in Kherson it was different). The first, deliberate maneuver, by weakening the defense, is to draw the APU grouping into a bag with further utilization. The second, as well as a deliberate large retreat with losses, to reformat the highest control layers, right up to the Kremlin inmates. Such a significant retreat is not possible without some kind of intent, because intelligence today excludes surprises ... But the general strategy of the NWO is reminiscent of a strategy for a deliberate defeat, not also someone's idea for more extensive changes in the Russian Federation, despite the weakening of Russian statehood ..
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 September 2022 13: 26
      +4
      then, following the logic, were such losses in the LS and among the civilian population in order to reformat the highest echelons of power? Well it's too cannibalistic plan
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 12 September 2022 13: 36
        +2
        Replica. At the top in power, non-cannibals are considered weaklings and seas of innocent blood are shed for power, this has been the case at all times. The same "democrats" of the West shed so much blood in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., and their citizens will shed blood in rivers, if necessary ...
    2. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 12 September 2022 17: 13
      +7
      Actually - the command of the ukrovermacht played the cards very competently .. In the conditions of our superiority in technology - it sacrificed a bunch of fighters, but - it forced us to storm our fortified areas. As a result, we lost precious time, during which the junta was able to form, train and arm reserves on NATO territory, which they transferred to the front without hindrance. With all the consequences for us..

      Moreover, superiority in technology - we spent on the same fortified areas, and not on enemy communications. Immediately losing the pace of the operation. Why our command was led to this is incomprehensible. Moreover, with a significant preponderance of the ukrovermacht in manpower .. Either they were hoping for some rotten promises from the West, or that everyone would surrender in a month .. In general - utter nonsense for anyone ..
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 15 September 2022 13: 49
        0
        no, it doesn't smell stupid here ....
    3. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 17 September 2022 12: 48
      0
      Everything is much simpler, probably, look for a "woman" under the guise of a man.
  7. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 12 September 2022 12: 21
    0
    The military company failed, it must be admitted. But there are other levers of influence on Dill, namely, an energy blockade combined with the destruction of its energy infrastructure facilities. After all, winter is just around the corner! Judging by media reports, some steps in this direction have finally been made over the past XNUMX hours. So "the show goes on"
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 13: 19
      +6
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      there are other levers of influence on Dill, namely, an energy blockade combined with the destruction of its energy infrastructure facilities. After all, winter is just around the corner!

      As a certain very learned horse said - "Do not tell my horseshoes!"

      This is WHO, the Kremlin (!!!) will undertake a blockade and destroy the infrastructure??? belay
      Kindergarten, nursery...
    2. special correspondent (oleg) 12 September 2022 16: 14
      +4
      Probably there is a secret "DEAL" with the US and others - not to attack the infrastructure. You don’t think that the Ukrainian proxy troops of NATO, with the help of all the same Hymars, can attack the energy (and infrastructure) structure of Russia to a depth of almost 200-250 km from the border (and don’t try to tell that the supplies to the Hymars for 300 km have not yet been delivered Will the shtatovites give them under the pretext of "an answer to the energy-structural war"? Well, look what is in this strip along the border? Therefore .... TNW. For military and logistics facilities along the Poland-Slovakia border.
      1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
        Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 12 September 2022 16: 34
        +2
        It may turn out that this is the only correct answer.
    3. aslanxnumx Online aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 12 September 2022 18: 24
      +2
      You must be joking. They will set the price of oil at 5 bucks and they will trade. Blockade is such a bad word for a bobble.
    4. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 13 September 2022 11: 12
      +2
      Then it would be necessary to clarify the purpose of the special operation. What do we want? Free the Ukrainian people from the Nazis or just freeze kindergartens and hospitals?
  8. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 September 2022 13: 22
    +6
    A big + article, a sober analysis of the state of affairs, thanks to the author. I think now Putin has been put in a situation (or rather, he created such a situation for himself) that even if he concludes an armistice agreement and stops like in Georgia (for example, on the territory of Donbass), the next more cruel and bloody war is inevitable and the initiator of this war will already be outskirts, and they, in white gloves, like Putin, will not fight
    1. Stinging Nettle Offline Stinging Nettle
      Stinging Nettle (Stinging Nettle) 12 September 2022 19: 42
      +3
      I myself read from "peaceful Ukrainians" calls to kill the Russians with a shot in the head or in another way, and they specifically specified that not only the military. and all must be wiped off the face of the earth.
  9. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 12 September 2022 13: 31
    +2
    - Yes, there are many options to drive the APU into a stall !!!
    - Until Lukashenka finally refuses to cooperate with Russia, it is necessary to strike at Kyiv and at the Western part of Ukraine! - At the moment, it is these regions that are now the most vulnerable !!! - The equipment arriving from the West and the new "trained contingents" are in the "on the march" and "not deployed" position - this is the most vulnerable period of any troops !!!
    - Yes, and air defense in Ukraine - cannot be particularly advanced (absolute garbage) - this air defense is very easy to suppress !!! - Yes, and the Americans are not particularly bothered to provide "comfort and coziness" for Ukraine in those regions !!! - The Americans are increasingly watching our headquarters and the movement of our RF Armed Forces! - They have already become convinced of the indecisiveness and mediocrity of our military leadership, which is responsible for conducting the WZO - and the Americans now have a "period of temporary calm"! - The Americans now need to completely "neutralize" Lukashenka (which is NOT quite hopeless - now you can expect everything from this "L-o" fruit) - this is really dangerous!
    - Yes, and here it was already mentioned the use of tactical nuclear weapons! - So, launching missile strikes on Ukrainian nuclear power plants - why is all this not tactical nuclear weapons !!!
    - Yes, if the threat of the collapse of Russia looms ahead, then why not go for it in quite extreme cases !!!???
    - And the Kharkov region - should not have been left! - We (RF Armed Forces) failed to destroy and bleed the APU-shnuyu grouping there (if such a thing was pursued at all)! "You can't call it anything other than betrayal!"
    Now from there the Armed Forces of Ukraine can begin to hollow out the territory of the Russian Federation! - Maybe then our Russian people will begin to hate the Armed Forces of Ukraine even more and there will be more volunteers from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ??? - Maybe - such a "goal" was pursued ??? - So this is not a very reasonable and absurd way to solve the problem! - In any case, it is necessary for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to start a military campaign against Kyiv! But then go - "to the end"! - And as quickly as possible! - Time is now working against Russia!
    1. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
      assault 2019 (assault 2019) 14 September 2022 01: 16
      +1
      Now from there the Armed Forces of Ukraine can begin to hollow out the territory of the Russian Federation! - Maybe then our Russian people will begin to hate the Armed Forces of Ukraine even more and there will be more volunteers from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???

      Or maybe then it’s better to ask the Pentagon to supply the dill missiles with a range of 600 km and they immediately hit the Kremlin, then the leadership of the Russian Federation will finally begin to act and fight as expected during the war .....
  10. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 12 September 2022 13: 33
    +12
    Only the lazy did not declare that the so-called. The CVO against the Ukronazis, carried out in white gloves and on one leg, is absurd. The Russian leadership went into a deaf ignore. The results are in..
  11. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 12 September 2022 13: 53
    +11
    What do we want to get from this our thieves' power? victory?
    It won't happen as long as people like Putin fool the people's brains. And the oligarchic power fostered by him and the country plundered and plundered offshore are incompatible concepts for waging any war.
    So we don't have much choice...
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 September 2022 14: 10
      +11
      it’s hard to disagree with you, Putin’s policy, this is perhaps the most important disappointment, although earlier there were suspicions of his sincerity, but now everything has fallen into place, nothing will work out with this government, it’s bad that there are no those on the horizon who could do it all would change, so that we will receive both shame and war, as the notorious politician said
  12. tkot973 Offline tkot973
    tkot973 (Konstantin) 12 September 2022 14: 51
    +12
    Mdaaa ... Circus. And it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
    Once again, a question to our commander in chief, the beacon of a resurgent Russia - how could you surround yourself with so many incompetent and sometimes vile gentlemen.
    Here, quite recently, one of the commentators expressed a very interesting, in my opinion, thought. And what if Putin did not have the task of reviving Russia at all. What if the goals in 2000 were completely different. This commentator rightly recalled who exactly brought the current head to power - it was Yeltsin, or rather those who ruled him. And then an alternative goal of Comrade's superactivity appears. Putin is to preserve for customers the wealth that our land bears, to protect oil, gas, etc. from Western encroachment. To accomplish this task, a certain carte blanche was probably issued for serious steps in foreign policy. But no more. The task of reviving a mighty state was not in principle. And here it is since 2000 and stretches back and forth. It seems that the thoughts sound right, caress the ear, so to speak, and roads, houses, hospitals, gardens, factories, etc. are being built. Everything seems to be fine for everyone. But as soon as you dig, it starts to smell like manure. Space - they killed, the defense industry - they killed, the fleet - they killed, education - they killed. And nothing is being done to fix anything. People with higher technical and medical education sell oranges and work as couriers, damn it, because they don't earn that much at a factory or a hospital. There are exceptions, but they are not the vast majority.
    In general, if we take this as an axiom, then many bewildering events, especially of recent years, as well as those discussed here, become clear.
    All of the above is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 September 2022 17: 04
      +9
      so it’s straight to the point and you’re not the only one with such thoughts, Putin never defended the Russian world, all this talk is to cover up the main goal - to protect the national bourgeoisie from the encroachments of transnational corporations, and for this purpose rearmament and restoration of the army. Hence all the dances with tambourines - negotiations, intact communications, gestures of goodwill and now regroupings, something like this
      1. Patron Offline Patron
        Patron 14 September 2022 10: 43
        +4
        So far, everything that is happening in Ukraine looks like a well-planned performance for the collapse of Russia into small states.
    2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 15 September 2022 13: 56
      +1
      the sane had no illusions about Yeltsin's successor
    3. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 17 September 2022 12: 56
      0
      Like tends to like. Geniuses to geniuses, mediocrity to mediocrity, thieves to thieves, etc. In his environment is always comfortable and understandable. How can a urak trust a smart one, they will quickly quarrel over a common cause. That's the whole reason. hi
  13. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
    Benjamin (Benjamin) 12 September 2022 16: 07
    +2
    Maybe it's an act of goodwill from the indelible
  14. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 September 2022 16: 23
    +3
    And a number of experts say temporary retreat is a blessing
    The popular cliché that Russians don't give up, and Ukrainians are Russians, played like that.
    These "games" are never played alone.

    Well, HPP should not be discounted, I am sure that the need for everything will soon be explained in large part.

    Well, ordinary people were not paid much attention before.
    The LDNR was not recognized for 8 years, endlessly "regretting aloud" about the shelling and casualties, about the Minsk agreements that have not been working for these 9 years, etc. ...
    But they happily announced the news how EDRO occupies leading positions in the republics ...
  15. Alex1209 Offline Alex1209
    Alex1209 (Alex) 12 September 2022 16: 29
    +7
    Here you can even grind your teeth into powder from anger, but no mistakes will be recognized and reasonable conclusions will not be drawn, you can be sure of this. For example, on TV in the top news, this is the leadership of the unit in the elections, then the decline in the standard of living of Europeans, then the English throne. And not a word about the people left in the abandoned territories as a result of a brilliant regrouping.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 September 2022 17: 08
      +3
      Mr. Peskov has already said that according to the results of the elections, the people support the policy of the Kremlin, like this
  16. Stinging Nettle Offline Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle (Stinging Nettle) 12 September 2022 17: 11
    +5
    Our contract soldiers could have been enough (considering the DPR on the front line) if they bombed equipment on the routes from Europe to Ukraine and bombed Ukrainian cities.
    Taking into account the torture, castration, burning alive of captured soldiers, it was necessary and necessary now to use long-range weapons to the maximum.
    Children of ministers and governors should go as volunteers first of all, then, perhaps, something will finally change.
  17. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 September 2022 17: 13
    +3
    Quote: Bakht
    The losses of the parties are tens of thousands of Russians in the Kharkov region, who are already beginning to be a nightmare.
    This defeat without any abstruse words. And Lavrov's speech is just the height of stupidity. Didn't expect this from him.

    You are right, this is what TG channels write, for example, the Military Correspondents of the Russian Spring:

    Communicated with a woman from Izyum. Her sister remained in the city under the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Husband paralyzed. Chills from the story! After the entry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, complete chaos began. Total searches, terrible looting, murders. The "Westerners" entered. They openly say that you are all Muscovites and "wool" for us here. There will be no mercy for you. For three months we lived soul to soul with the Russians, which means that everyone is a connoisseur and now you are nobody! They take everything they like - TVs, smartphones, household appliances, food. A bunch of people were arrested and taken away. Several people were simply shot on the spot, those who tried to interfere with looting. They say that everyone who tries to pay in rubles in stores will immediately be put up against the wall. They asked where to get the hryvnia - the answer is: "Suck! Now this is your main work!" Came out "vigilantes" - those who were sitting waiting for their arrival. Now they frankly settle scores with those with whom they quarreled. They simply accuse them of collaborating with the Russians and take people away. Most likely to be shot. The city is simply paralyzed with horror. Now we are nothing at all! Cries.
  18. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 12 September 2022 17: 53
    +9
    This was to be expected. With such a command staff, led by the Shoigu Defense Ministry and the Gerasimov Gerasimov. The first has nothing to do with the army at all and is only capable of puffing up cheeks and PR, no matter how many stars Putin hangs on him. The second one also cannot be the NGSH if he developed and signed such an NWO plan. Maybe even now it will come to Putin that building an army, and indeed any business, should be done by professionals and competent people, and not just devoted, but mediocre officials. But in any case, the president must bear responsibility for his appointees. After all, over these six months it turned out that we all only thought and hoped that Russia had a combat-ready army and the Black Sea Fleet. But today this is not observed. It is sad and shameful to realize. But it is better for all of us from top to bottom to recognize this and quickly begin to change the situation. Than to pretend that nothing happened and that everything that happened was an accidental mistake and misunderstanding. New and responsible people should come to the management and construction of the army and the country.
    1. Sergey Nikolaevich_2 (Sergey Nikolaevich) 13 September 2022 09: 13
      +6
      It immediately became clear that the Russian Federation would be in ... after fleeing from the north of Ukraine and sinking the cruiser Moscow. There are vague doubts that after the strike on the Crimean bridge, the Russian Federation will be able and willing to respond. Now the whole world sees that the country is run by weak-willed cowards.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 13 September 2022 11: 42
        0
        SergeI'll correct you. Now the whole world sees that Ukraine is managed, financed and developed for it by military operations from abroad. yes
    2. mister-red Offline mister-red
      mister-red 13 September 2022 21: 04
      -1
      Quote: wladimirjankov
      The first one has nothing to do with the army at all

      The Secretary of Defense does not plan military operations. Von der Leyen was the German Minister of Defense and a gynecologist by profession.
      All questions to the chief of staff and the leadership of the country, if they interfered in this planning.
      1. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
        wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 17 September 2022 00: 00
        0
        The Defense Ministry should be engaged in ensuring the combat capability of the army and navy and increase the defense capability of its country. Set goals for this, draw up programs and achieve their implementation. What did Shoigu achieve and what did we all really see in these seven months. We also know very well what the Bundeswehr army became under Von der Leyen, being the Minister of Defense of Germany. Everyone should be in their place and not sit in other people's sleighs.
    3. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
      assault 2019 (assault 2019) 14 September 2022 01: 29
      +3
      Maybe even now it will come to Putin that building an army, and indeed any business, should be done by professionals and competent people, and not just devoted, but mediocre officials.

      Any competent person and professional in his field as minister of defense, prime minister, chief of the general staff .... this is a future competitor in the 2024 elections and Mr. "mole" with his team of devoted mediocrities can easily fly like plywood over the capital of France .....
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 15 September 2022 14: 04
        +2
        every election is such a prediction, but they are nominated, elected, vote and consider the Edrosovites for themselves ....
  19. Anadyrean Offline Anadyrean
    Anadyrean (Hanson) 13 September 2022 00: 29
    +4
    Why do BRAKES work in the General Staff? I understand everything, there will be debriefing, etc. And the guilty will be punished. But the BRAKES continue to work. Sorry, boiled up.
  20. Patrick laforet Offline Patrick laforet
    Patrick laforet (Patrick Laforet) 13 September 2022 00: 43
    -7
    The author sows panic on a topic in which he is not an expert. If you, the author, are reading this comment, I suggest that you stick to what you know and talk about the non-existence that you are an expert in.
    1. Starik59 Offline Starik59
      Starik59 (Starik) 17 September 2022 10: 35
      0
      Exactly!!! I agree with you 100%! Divorced here strategists all-propalshchikov! And in fact - enemies!
  21. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 13 September 2022 08: 50
    +7
    Definitely represents a failure of both the tactics and strategies of our Defense Ministry. And also the betrayal of those who believed us in the liberated territory, after they showed how quickly we can run away.
  22. Sergey Nikolaevich_2 (Sergey Nikolaevich) 13 September 2022 09: 08
    +12
    No need to flirt - this is not a regrouping, but a shameful flight, leaving peaceful allies and the loss of a large amount of equipment and equipment.
    1. Vovan Petrov Offline Vovan Petrov
      Vovan Petrov 13 September 2022 11: 08
      +6
      Quite right. It's just that the General Staff decided to cover up their jambs and incompetence with some kind of "regrouping". The disgusting feeling of lying.
  23. Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 13 September 2022 10: 40
    +2
    There is only one obvious negative here - repressions against civilians after the withdrawal. They are very sorry and it was necessary to evacuate them even by force.
    Everything else is tactics. All the same, the barderlogs want to turn the southeast into ruins.
    And the next offensive must begin with the destruction of infrastructure - there is no other way to expel residents.
    1. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
      assault 2019 (assault 2019) 14 September 2022 01: 45
      +2
      All the same, the barderlogs want to turn the southeast into ruins.

      The main task of the special operation is to prevent the destruction of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass!!!
      And who and whose account will restore these ruins? Mariupol alone will be rebuilt for fifteen years, at least such a program has already been adopted ....
      Why are we playing along with the Ukrofascists, or has everything been built in Russia and there is nowhere to invest money?
      If for every shot in the Donbass at Lvov and other Western cities, the Tu-95 link poured whole bomb bays of cluster and high-explosive bombs, the entire special operation would have ended by April of this year, with complete and unconditional surrender!
  24. Alex1209 Offline Alex1209
    Alex1209 (Alex) 13 September 2022 10: 58
    +7
    For the leader, as well as for the entire top of the government, propaganda created the image of infallible and always doing the right thing, so there is very little hope for correct conclusions, most likely they will continue to stew in their own juice, engage in undercover battles, and for the people everything unsightly will be hushed up, distorted or make excuses.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 13 September 2022 11: 24
      -3
      Alex, how much is opium for the people today? laughing
  25. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 13 September 2022 13: 49
    +1
    Secondly, as a result of the rapid “regrouping”, numerous supporters of cooperation with Russia and its CAA remained on the territory of the Kharkiv region, who were not evacuated in time, and now they are waiting for the most unenviable fate.

    They did not even have time to evacuate at least some of the Jews to Central Asia. Factories were not evacuated to the Urals. Surprise attack on Russia, without a declaration of war for nine months now. Now all Jews will be tortured by moving to Israel. The Russian General Staff looked at the maps of the forties, shrugged their shoulders and told the chief marshal this: we spread the maps here and we see that the maps lay down so we would have to retreat to Stalingrad. What kind of mysterious city is this, which is not on the map, how to get there Genyashtab does not know. We will have to go to the Mausoleum, since we are the heirs of the USSR and consult with the person who lives there, let him give good advice, otherwise his friends of the Turks will destroy his housing because of the Danube. Somewhere we mowed the wrong grass, assuming it was the right one. The one who sleeps there will not talk to us, he communicates only with the main ruler of the country. It is necessary to spread the cards again and watch how they fall, God forbid, well. Let intelligence spread the bones, we can get out. Immediately remove the cardboard from the Mausoleum and prepare for a solemn meeting with the sage.
  26. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 13 September 2022 16: 16
    +5
    Without the Izyum bridgehead, it will not be possible to surround and take the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration. We will have to storm head-on for a long time and stupidly, putting down a huge number of our military personnel, but without a guarantee of success.

    I really don’t want to believe it, but it seems that the “utilization” of the recalcitrant residents of Donbass, who dared to take power into their own hands with weapons, is one of the goals of the “liberals” ......
  27. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 13 September 2022 20: 09
    +4
    And half-measures and half-hearted decisions are generally a feature of Putin and his camarilla
  28. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
    Bahadur (Stanislas) 13 September 2022 22: 12
    -3
    Victory will be ours!

    - Most of those who wrote it here are simply defeatists. Russia will win⭐

    Work Brothers!!
    ZØV.
    Russia and GDP are with you, warriors of light from all over Russia and from many countries, who are now beating the Nazis !!!
    1. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 13 September 2022 22: 33
      +5
      Of course, he will win .... In Latvia, they decided to demolish the monument to Soviet soldiers "Alyosha" immediately after the announcement of the supply of Russian gas to Latvia. In Russia, it is customary to help those who crap and crap demonstratively and every day. Of course he will win .... when he is humiliated 100 times. How many times has it been? Is it still far from 100?
      1. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
        Bahadur (Stanislas) 13 September 2022 23: 19
        0
        Yes, a million times they tried to "humiliate" us over the past five hundred years: the Teutons, the "Vikings", the "Great Mughals", Austria-Hungary, the Ottomans, the "Aryans", etc. Etc.

        Hiker, remind me where they are?:::
        ... in the "dupe" of history - where the Russian People-Warrior will send both dill and latgale.

        Soon, give me time⭐
        1. Hiker Offline Hiker
          Hiker (Dmitriy) 14 September 2022 09: 46
          +4
          You can talk as much as you like with stereotypes, slogans, quotes from textbooks))))
          There is only one question. What is the protection of 10 million Russians in Ukraine?
          So far, nothing but idiocy - no. Maybe at least for six months the NVO stopped shelling Donetsk? So they are incapable of it.
          1. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
            Bahadur (Stanislas) 14 September 2022 20: 05
            -2
            Haiker, 25 million people currently live / are located on the remaining Durkain, and genetically more than 15 million are Russians, the remaining 10 are for the most part not even Slavs: Hutsuls, Romanians, Magyars, gypsies, etc. Banderlogs, for example, have a genetic halogroup of the Turks, i.e. Galicians are mostly Tatars, not even Slavs, besides, they are also Uniates for the most part. Have you been to Lviv or Donetsk? Now, if they were, they would not write what you write here.
            And now closer to the body: did they serve, like me, recently in the Donbass? Do you have any relation to military information / business? It’s real - if YES, then they wouldn’t write frank nonsense here about why Russia does not protect All Russians and Why Donbass is bombed: Come And Look !!! = Go THERE and understand for yourself why the Nazis and non-humans Darkness from all over the world all climb and climb to us!!!!!
            Give me time, we will wash all the evil spirits⭐
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  30. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 14 September 2022 10: 17
    0
    It is impossible to achieve anything until our always smiling president ceases to be fond of science fiction and does not closely engage in defense. And he will forever forget about his partners and rename them personal enemies. natural resources to the peoples who kill our soldiers. How can you be friends with a state whose president called Putin the BUTCHER. I respect Mr. Putin, but it’s not like a man not to be responsible for his words about the red line. In peacetime, his modern image is simply perfect ,but now...
    1. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
      Bahadur (Stanislas) 14 September 2022 20: 26
      +3
      It's time brother, it's time...

      THIS IS True: Comrade Commander-in-Chief, the People and the Army do not understand Why we are dying, enduring, and you are not doing the following NOW =
      1. Interrupt immediately ANY supply to enemy AND unfriendly countries (minimum 35 countries: US + vassals);
      2. TURN OFF the light of Ukraine ALREADY!!!: stop mocking us, the Russians - there is a War, and do/live/fight accordingly, If you want to name YOUR - name it, but we are ALREADY fighting in the War!!!
      3. Why do we need aviation with several thousand aircraft, if we don’t completely capture the sky over ALL Durkaina and don’t bomb headquarters, nodes, stations, bridges, banking, hubs, etc. etc.: what are you waiting for, hannibal is already at the gate, to hesitate and talk other nonsense ::: RUSSIA DOES NOT START WAR, BUT ENDS THEM!!!!!
      1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 15 September 2022 10: 30
        +1
        Don't wait. The Kremlin is clinging to any opportunity to get hard currency, on which the Russian economy is actually based, because no one needs the so-called ruble abroad from the word "absolutely" - only for hard currency. Even "friend" China demands currency. Otherwise, for Russia, international trade will remain only for barter, and on the terms of the buyer.
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  32. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 15: 39
    +3
    I am very afraid that they will stir up some kind of "Minsk-3", and the propaganda will be ordered to squeal about a "brilliant diplomatic move."
    And the author is right, the confidence in us has been undermined by the pro-Russian-minded residents of Ukraine thoroughly. Now they look at us as a state that can only show off.
    Even worse, if the Kremlin really crawls into negotiations, what a blow it will be to our guys who fought, shed blood, lost fighting friends. Why did thousands of children die? For the sake of empty show-offs?
    Well, now they look at Konashenkov as an empty talk.
    1. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
      Benjamin (Benjamin) 16 September 2022 10: 33
      0
      But Konashenkov, for his nonsense, received a promotion, became a lieutenant general, in which country are they used only to broadcast news in the ranks of army commanders or districts?
  33. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 15: 46
    -1
    Quote from Paul3390
    And the most offensive thing is that all sane people have been talking about this since April ... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to win in a situation where the enemy has a numerical superiority, has the ability to train and arm reserve units on NATO territory, and even without any problems transfer them to front ... For all communications are intact. In such scenarios, the current sad outcome is quite natural.

    If you fight, then for real. And do not try to bungled a business project. Namely, we have seen this kind of warfare: we are fighting here, we are not fighting here, we are wrapping fish here. And such reverence for communications, energy and industrial infrastructure, as if all these energy networks, power plants and factories are already scheduled between someone, and this someone categorically demands to preserve them, he does not need ruins.
  34. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 15: 51
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: k7k8
    It seems to me that sneakers addressed to everyone who believes that the current war should have been started no later than 2015 are slowly hiding under the bench.

    In 2014, during the period of Slavyansk and the "Russian Spring", no later ...

    But ... The Kremlin, both then and now, turned out to be incapable of a reasonable, balanced assessment of the situation ...

    And then little people came to the Kremlin and said, they say, we are with Ukraine in a patsaska way, in terms of understanding, we will do it, don’t go there.
    Yes, but another godfather came to the country 404 and no conversations in terms of concepts happened, they threw those who dreamed of arrogating themselves brazenly and shamelessly.
  35. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 15: 55
    0
    Quote from DeadPahom
    Firstly, a significant grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine got bogged down in the north-east of the Kharkiv region. It would be nice for the author of the article to explain how it is supposed to supply all these motherfuckers. Do they still have the ability to maneuver? Secondly, in what way did all these numerous supporters manifest themselves, apart from the queues for humanitarian aid? Thirdly, how is it supposed to use the Izyum tank army repair base (if it exists there at all)? Fourthly, the NWO is not finished, chickens are counted in the fall. Fifth, how has the balance of power changed over the past few days? It would be nice to voice the losses of the parties.

    What autumn? 2025 or 2027? No need to put on a good face for a shitty game. Although, even if there are battles near Sevastopol (God forbid), you will continue to rest here that everything is going according to a "cunning plan", they say, Kutuzov even handed over Moscow.
    And as for bogging down ... There are reports that from under the Izyum, the Wehrmacht is coming out with no hindrance to transfer troops under Ugledar.
  36. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 00
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    The losses of the parties are tens of thousands of Russians in the Kharkov region, who are already beginning to be a nightmare.
    This defeat without any abstruse words. And Lavrov's speech is just the height of stupidity. Didn't expect this from him.

    And Lavrov's speeches are a desperate cry to the West, they say, look, we are so civilized, we are the same as you, do not touch the accounts and real estate of our oligarchs and officials, and for this we will again arrange a new striptease in front of you, we will hand over everything.
  37. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 03
    +2
    Quote: k7k8
    Quote: Pavel Mokshanov_2
    And what would Comrade Zhyukov say about this?

    He would not have said anything, because Zhukovsky's methods of warfare are applicable only to mass mobilized armies.

    And we just see how the apologists of the "small, compact, but exceptionally well-equipped, trained and combat-ready professional army" screwed up, who thought that this army would drive draft armies with dirty towels. Well? Dispersed? Or has the introductory stronghold been stormed for months?
  38. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 06
    0
    Quote from Paul3390
    Actually - the command of the ukrovermacht played the cards very competently .. In the conditions of our superiority in technology - it sacrificed a bunch of fighters, but - it forced us to storm our fortified areas. As a result, we lost precious time, during which the junta was able to form, train and arm reserves on NATO territory, which they transferred to the front without hindrance. With all the consequences for us..

    Moreover, superiority in technology - we spent on the same fortified areas, and not on enemy communications. Immediately losing the pace of the operation. Why our command was led to this is incomprehensible. Moreover, with a significant preponderance of the ukrovermacht in manpower .. Either they were hoping for some rotten promises from the West, or that everyone would surrender in a month .. In general - utter nonsense for anyone ..

    You are absolutely right, it is impossible to explain all these jambs logically.
  39. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 12
    +1
    Quote: Bahadur
    It's time brother, it's time...

    THIS IS True: Comrade Commander-in-Chief, the People and the Army do not understand Why we are dying, enduring, and you are not doing the following NOW =
    1. Interrupt immediately ANY supply to enemy AND unfriendly countries (minimum 35 countries: US + vassals);
    2. TURN OFF the light of Ukraine ALREADY!!!: stop mocking us, the Russians - there is a War, and do/live/fight accordingly, If you want to name YOUR - name it, but we are ALREADY fighting in the War!!!
    3. Why do we need aviation with several thousand aircraft, if we don’t completely capture the sky over ALL Durkaina and don’t bomb headquarters, nodes, stations, bridges, banking, hubs, etc. etc.: what are you waiting for, hannibal is already at the gate, to hesitate and talk other nonsense ::: RUSSIA DOES NOT START WAR, BUT ENDS THEM!!!!!

    We do not have aviation with several thousand aircraft! Under the squat dancing, they say we will have super-duper aircraft that will defeat everyone with their quality, the number of these aircraft was set at several dozen for ALL of Russia, from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka!
    And when it turned out that the Wehrmacht’s air defense was alive and capable of brutally snapping, then these super-duper planes somehow imperceptibly swerved into the shadows, the old Su-25s take the rap for everyone. Like, the risk of losses is too great, we cannot risk the few and super-expensive Su-34 and Su-35.
    And they are generally shaking over the Tu-22M like over a crystal service.
  40. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 27
    0
    Quote: assault 2019
    Without the Izyum bridgehead, it will not be possible to surround and take the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration. We will have to storm head-on for a long time and stupidly, putting down a huge number of our military personnel, but without a guarantee of success.

    I really don’t want to believe it, but it seems that the “utilization” of the recalcitrant residents of Donbass, who dared to take power into their own hands with weapons, is one of the goals of the “liberals” ......

    You know, I had the same thoughts that the war-hardened population is very difficult to manipulate, and even "subtle hints" of punishment for "incorrect voting" will not work, on the contrary, they will have the opposite effect. These people are not a submissive mass.
  41. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 33
    +2
    Quote: Bahadur
    Haiker, 25 million people currently live / are located on the remaining Durkain, and genetically more than 15 million are Russians, the remaining 10 are for the most part not even Slavs: Hutsuls, Romanians, Magyars, gypsies, etc. Banderlogs, for example, have a genetic halogroup of the Turks, i.e. Galicians are mostly Tatars, not even Slavs, besides, they are also Uniates for the most part. Have you been to Lviv or Donetsk? Now, if they were, they would not write what you write here.
    And now closer to the body: did they serve, like me, recently in the Donbass? Do you have any relation to military information / business? It’s real - if YES, then they wouldn’t write frank nonsense here about why Russia does not protect All Russians and Why Donbass is bombed: Come And Look !!! = Go THERE and understand for yourself why the Nazis and non-humans Darkness from all over the world all climb and climb to us!!!!!
    Give me time, we will wash all the evil spirits⭐

    You know, I don't see tens of thousands of "Russians" from the Wehrmacht who voluntarily surrendered. But the fact that they fight stubbornly, desperately and skillfully is a fact! Yes, they die by the thousands, but they don't give up.
    And the fact that the advance of 1 km per week through the positions of the Wehrmacht's coming out is presented as the greatest breakthrough!
  42. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 15 September 2022 16: 41
    +2
    Quote: rotkiv04
    Mr. Peskov has already said that according to the results of the elections, the people support the policy of the Kremlin, like this

    Yeah, 15% came to the polls, but it was announced that ALL the people are crazy about the happiness of the current policy.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 15 September 2022 18: 42
      0
      For some reason, no one raises the question: "Why, someone decided to climb into Ukraine"? What did he forget? The head of the country (like the army) must protect his people, and not someone else, no matter how close he is to us. But if, as a result of the actions of this person, the life of the people is deteriorating, the territory of the country is being shelled, the people of the country are dying for no reason, then how does one relate to the actions of this person? Does he do for the good of the country and the people of this country or solves his own imperial ambitions or something else?
  43. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
    Benjamin (Benjamin) 16 September 2022 09: 45
    0
    And the transfer of equipment has not yet begun, Lend Liz will begin in October 2022,
  44. Starik59 Offline Starik59
    Starik59 (Starik) 17 September 2022 10: 31
    0
    Hey young man! Hey strategist!! And first, and fifth...

    True, it is still unclear what forces the RF Armed Forces should then launch a counteroffensive and break into half-empty Kharkov

    And you request data from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! there they will give you a card and explain it! who, how much and where...
  45. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
    lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 18 September 2022 06: 37
    0
    Quote: k7k8
    Quote: Sergey Marzhetsky
    It was necessary either to fight immediately in earnest, for a victorious result, or not to start at all

    It seems to me that sneakers addressed to everyone who believes that the current war should have been started no later than 2015 are slowly hiding under the bench.

    I don’t know what to think about 2015, but after February 23, it seems that we activated in vain. Before this date, at least Crimea was already kind of recognized as ours. And now everything is sadder, as if for years the whole operation did not drag on.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 19 September 2022 12: 47
      -1
      There are only three ways out of this shit: the first is the best for Russia - Minsk-2, the second is bad for Russia in all respects - "The Hague", demilitarization and payment of reparations, and the third is the worst for Russia and the whole world - nuclear war .