“They can’t even cope with Ukraine”: the Poles discussed the risks of war with the Russian Federation


Users of the Polish portal Defense24.pl responded to the statement of the Deputy Minister of Defense of the country, Marcin Ocepa, about the need for the maximum rearmament of the nation. The official backed up his opinion with the statement that allegedly for Poland there is a threat of war with Russia in the next "3-10 years".


All views and opinions expressed are those of their respective authors only. Original publication "Wiceszef MON: poważne ryzyko wojny z Rosją, w okresie od 3 do 10 lat".

Comments:

The very fact that a time period of 3 to 10 years is indicated shows that decision makers have no idea when such a war might occur. This time gap is not conducive to [adequate] planning. As long as the clash in Ukraine continues, Russia will not attack us and that's it. Everything that is, is sent to the field, and when it comes to soldiers, they are recruited anywhere. If Russia loses to Ukraine, Poland is generally safe, because Russia will be preparing for the next round with Kyiv, and any attack on Poland seems unrealistic for now. If Russia wins the fight with Ukraine, it will take many more years to make up for losses, and so on. Compensation for losses in tanks will take 10 years, similarly in combat vehicles and aircraft. Longer - in precision-guided munitions

writes reader OptySceptyk.

US intelligence agencies know best about the threats of war, but the exact date can only be given approximately, depending on the secret documents obtained. Clairvoyants are not here and cannot be. Why is the greatest risk of a war occurring precisely in the period from 3 to 10 years? And why up to 10 years, what does it mean that then you can sleep peacefully? Good question - it has an answer. On the topic of geopolitics, I recommend articles by Marek Budzisz

Borzysław argues.

Just in 2006, the Law and Justice Party sold the Mielec aircraft factory to the Americans, so it was not preparing for any war. Who, tell me, is selling a military plant before a possible fight? A traitor, a fool, or both. PiS in the period 2005-2007 and 2015-2018 did not apply to the US leadership about any military purchases. Moreover, in 2005-2007, it continued the process of disarmament, i.e. liquidation of military units, like its predecessors, as well as successors

– reminded Robert0.

Of course, we believe that after all the collapse and losses in Ukraine, Russia will attack NATO further. They must be bored there.

- ironically Banzai.

It would not be superfluous to at least quickly restore the institution of reservists, but our policy won't do it for the same reasons the Russians don't want to mobilize. This, of course, is about public reaction. Russian leaders know that after all the failures at the front, mobilization will cause radical public discontent. In Poland, things may not be so dramatic, but the restoration of universal conscription would be very unpopular in society and could lead to the loss in the elections of those who would make such a decision.

- responded to the previous response Extern.

Looking at how they are unable to cope in Ukraine, and how much valuable equipment they have already lost, they will not be able to wage any big war for a long time. Unless general mobilization will help, but here Russia has another big problem that it is not able to solve. This is the demographic

Patriot pointed out.
  • Used photographs: Ministry of Defense of Poland
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  1. Corsair Offline Corsair
    Corsair (DNR) 11 September 2022 09: 40
    -3
    They can’t even cope with Ukraine”: the Poles discussed the risks of war with the Russian Federation

    And they are right ... You are weak in the knees yes

    During the epic flight from Izyum, where so many logistics, fuel, food, equipment, weapons were left in the warehouses of the 20th TA, we can say that Russia caught up with the United States in its drape from Afghanistan.

    Shame, "allies" ... negative
    1. Siberia55 Offline Siberia55
      Siberia55 (Yuri) 11 September 2022 10: 02
      +2
      No, they are wrong. Against Russia, the entire NATO bloc and not Ukraine!
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 11 September 2022 10: 11
        -1
        Quote: Siberia55
        No, they are wrong. Against Russia, the entire NATO bloc and not Ukraine!

        And so what, "sharpened for war with the entire NATO bloc" the Russian army, almost in the first more or less serious clash (supposedly with NATO) - sparkles with its heels?
        1. Siberia55 Offline Siberia55
          Siberia55 (Yuri) 11 September 2022 11: 44
          +6
          About "sparkling heels" let's wait a bit. And "for chiseled for war with the entire NATO bloc" - this is not a war. Where was Russia's entry into the war with the NATO bloc declared? Sir, do not turn everything upside down and do not manipulate terms! Now they will do a debriefing, perhaps they will change the status of the NWO and we will see whose heels are sparkling.
          I wrote above that we are not at war with Ukraine. Ukraine is operators, avatars of NATO weapons and Wishlist. Turn on your brains - crests will run out, who will take their place of avatars next?
          1. Corsair Offline Corsair
            Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 10: 18
            -4
            Quote: Siberia55
            About "sparkling heels" let's wait a bit. And "for chiseled for war with the entire NATO bloc" - this is not a war. Where was Russia's entry into the war with the NATO bloc declared? Sir, do not turn everything upside down and do not manipulate terms!

            Quote: Siberia55
            I wrote above that we are not at war with Ukraine.

            So are you fighting (War), or "SVO" against NATO? belay request

            You yourself will understand the terminology and methodology yes
        2. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 12 September 2022 01: 47
          +2
          In the sense: did the few units mobilized from the DPR, the National Guard and the RF Armed Forces have to "sit in the encirclement" and die heroically?
          1. Corsair Offline Corsair
            Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 15: 44
            -2
            Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
            In the sense: did the few units mobilized from the DPR, the National Guard and the RF Armed Forces have to "sit in the encirclement" and die heroically?

            So let the RF Ministry of Defense explain, if it can, how it happened that the allied troops there were like a cat crying and how they overlooked the concentration of enemy troops, the creation of a shock fist?

            In your General Staff, who is sitting? Losers?
            1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 13 September 2022 11: 01
              +1
              Normally "changed shoes" ...
              First....

              But what about it, "sharpened for war with the entire NATO bloc" the Russian army, almost in the first more or less serious clash (supposedly with NATO) - sparkles with its heels?

              Then

              So let the RF Ministry of Defense explain, if it can, how it happened that the allied troops were there like a cat wept

              So, the troops "wept a cat" or "the army ... in the first more or less serious clash ... sparkles with its heels"?
        3. Raul Castro Offline Raul Castro
          Raul Castro (Lucifer) 12 September 2022 13: 58
          +2
          Corsair (DNR) -a ti umnik davay na front! Za vas russkie parni pogibajut!
          1. Corsair Offline Corsair
            Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 15: 37
            0
            Quote from Raul Castro
            Corsair (DNR) -a ti umnik davay na front! Za vas russkie parni pogibajut!

            Perhaps I agree that I am somewhat smarter than you, Raul Castro.

            And in the part - "davay na front!", then I ... from there.
            Recovering after being wounded in Mariupol. Severe injury.
            What's more, before you go volunteer at the beginning of "SVO", I had previously won more than 3 years in one of the SMEs.
            And the wound in Marika, this is the second in a row in my "military career". soldier
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 September 2022 15: 39
      -1
      Corsair, with all due respect, but you are partly right, I think there should be no complaints against those who fight in the trenches on the front line, but the generals and all this Kremlin riffraff, led by ..., it's time to drive them with brooms, these people don't what they are not capable of except how to talk with children
    3. Raul Castro Offline Raul Castro
      Raul Castro (Lucifer) 12 September 2022 13: 53
      -1
      umniy i smeliy, to davay na voynu idi, durosti tut pisat i bez tebja est komu. Kto v kolenkah slab pod konec voyni vidno budet!
    4. AleksandrAl Offline AleksandrAl
      AleksandrAl (Alexander) 14 September 2022 08: 57
      0
      Contact the RA General Staff and advise how and what to do!
  2. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 September 2022 10: 06
    +5
    It's time to admit that the SVO ended in failure.
    The goals announced in February 2022 have not been achieved and are unlikely to be achieved.

    The denazification of Ukraine turned into a total nazification.
    The demilitarization of Ukraine turned into its complete rearmament with better weapons.
    The salvation of the Russian people in Ukraine turned into a tightening of repressions against the Russian population. And, according to some reports, simply by its physical destruction.

    The format of military operations in Ukraine needs to be reviewed. And the sooner the better.

    Every war is fought to achieve peace. Which should be better than the pre-war for at least one of the parties. For Russia, the continuation of the NWO in the previous format will turn into a defeat.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 12 September 2022 13: 53
      +1
      is over ????
      when? where? I don’t see the end of the SVO
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 September 2022 14: 17
        -2
        Unfortunately, I don't see it either.
        1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 13 September 2022 07: 06
          0
          Recognizing the problem is the way to fix it!
          Or maybe to understanding ... maybe ...
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  3. Siberia55 Offline Siberia55
    Siberia55 (Yuri) 11 September 2022 11: 47
    +2
    I'm interested, are the alarmists minus me? laughing
    I would look at you during the Second World War lol
  4. kalita Offline kalita
    kalita (Alexander) 11 September 2022 11: 55
    +7
    This is not Ukraine, this is NATO. Khokhols are just pawns in the hands of the United States, but the equipment is all from NATO countries, and yet Russia will destroy Nazism. And there will be another war with Poland, there will be no one to spare and the cities will be erased.
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    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 11 September 2022 15: 59
      -2
      kalita. More than one hell of a name, at least high school number 22. Here are the students of this school beat all the teachers. All the equipment, you are not aware of the matter, was transferred by Yeltsin to countries that were allies. Now they are giving this equipment to Ukraine. Several guns of a different type have nothing to do with it, there are not thousands of them. Consider this technique like the royal tigers of Germany. They did not play the weather. Even if 500 high-hit guns, then this is not yet a panic. In addition, Russia did not scare anyone with toys from cartoons. And for a nuclear raid, there will be a vigorous response. What the Ukrainians did is reminiscent of an Odessa anecdote. Syoma meets Monya and asks him - is it true? What is the truth, what are you talking about? They told me that you met with Aronchik and he hit you in the teeth, but you didn't even react. This is a lie, Monya shouts, I reacted, but I fell!
    3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 20: 40
      -2
      than he was going to fight with NATO, the Soviet stocks will be spent on Ukraine and we will remain like a shoemaker without boots, the industry is in decline, import substitution is only verbiage .......
    4. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 12 September 2022 13: 55
      0
      the only thing left for the psheks to wish for is: give three days to evacuate (from all the irons there would be a warning, but at least let them scatter the leaflets) then fuck all the major cities to dust
    5. Raul Castro Offline Raul Castro
      Raul Castro (Lucifer) 12 September 2022 14: 02
      0
      kalita (Alexander) -pravilno talkorish! polnostju s toboy soglasen, tolko hohli eto ne peshki dlja pindosov
  5. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 September 2022 14: 56
    +6
    Book of Judges 25 Having cheered, they began to shout:

    - Call Samson, let him entertain us.

    They called Samson to amuse them. When they placed him between the posts, 26 Samson said to the servant who was holding his hand:

    “Put me where I can feel for the pillars that support the temple so that I can lean on them.

    Judges 29 Samson grabbed the two main pillars on which the temple stood. Resting on one of them with his right hand, and on the other with his left hand, 30 Samson said:

    Let me die with the Philistines!

    He pressed with all his strength, and the temple collapsed on the rulers and on the people who were in it. And at his death, he killed many more Philistines than during his lifetime.

    When will Samson's hair finally grow back? And there are forces - but indifferent, greedy, stupid, weak-willed slush is in power, if not pests and traitors, through one. Like fetters on arms and legs.
    You would throw off this evil spirits from yourself, Samson. To live normally. BUT?
  6. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 11 September 2022 15: 50
    -1
    Does the date 11/XNUMX say anything to anyone? Remember the New York City Mall? It's weird and it's not over yet. Earlier, during the time of the king, the general sent his adjutant to the market and said - go find out what news? The generals knew what they were preparing for. Now this main point of news is covered and no one knows anything. But our tanks danced better than all put together in the east, and the Ukrainians fought best in the west.
  7. Stigh Offline Stigh
    Stigh (Yuri) 11 September 2022 19: 37
    +1
    It’s good that we don’t have a border with Poland, otherwise the Poles would attack us, and that would be the end
    1. Sergey3939 Offline Sergey3939
      Sergey3939 (Sergei) 12 September 2022 08: 44
      +3
      You're not right! Study geography. The Russian Federation borders on Poland, through the Kaliningrad region.
  8. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 11 September 2022 22: 44
    -1
    And where are the daggers, zircons, Sarmatians? Why not beat the centers, and we have nothing to do with it, because it is impossible to notice the rocket. They went out to smoke, they say, left the cigarette butts, the plaster woke up ..
  9. Ladislav Sedlak Offline Ladislav Sedlak
    Ladislav Sedlak (Ladislav Sedlak) 11 September 2022 23: 34
    +3
    Somehow you still don’t understand that this is a war of the Slavs (Ukraine) against the Slavs (Russia) Ukraine will be depopulated even if you win and there will be free space for refugees from Africa. There is only one country in the world that is comfortable with this situation, and this is America. am
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 12 September 2022 00: 07
      +1
      You're right. The implementation of the NMD and its toughening automatically falls into the mainstream of the US plans to draw Russia into a war with NATO and, probably, Japan.
      With this war, the Anglo-Saxons are counting on:
      - avert the danger of using Russia's strategic nuclear weapons on its territory when it is defeated by proxy
      - weaken the blood of Russia and completely subjugate (enslave) the European members of NATO, tk. The United States is having problems returning production from China, while Europe has kept them on its own territory and has a decisive competitive advantage in the new world
      - deprive China of potential allies in the face of Russia and Europe
      - with minimal forces and without risk, finish off Russia and take possession of its resources
      - to deprive Europe of the opportunity to claim a fair share of Russia's resources
      - remove possible obstacles before the fight with China
      - earn on the supply of weapons to all
      - earn on the restoration of Europe
      The States are already taking control of Europe's industry with grants to produce weapons for this war.
      This, in particular, was discussed at the last meeting in Ramstein, about which a large article was published in Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/training-ukrainians-takes-priority-as-wests-stockpiles-dwindle/
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 20 September 2022 11: 57
      0
      Here, by the way, is confirmation of the US plans to unleash a war in Europe:

      On Tuesday, Nya Dagbladet released a document signed by the RAND Corporation, a think tank with close ties to Washington that is known, among other things, for being behind US foreign and defense strategy during the Cold War.

      The document, dated January, gives a detailed account of how the war and the energy crisis in Europe were deliberately planned by the American side with cynical calculation. At the same time, it is recognized, among other things, that the aggressive foreign policy pursued in Ukraine will force Russia to carry out military intervention in the country. The goal, they explain, is to introduce a long-awaited package of sanctions.

      In addition, an analysis is made that the European economy will "inevitably collapse" as a result of sanctions - the scenario expressed is part of the very intention along with the goal of separating Germany and Russia in particular - something that is seen as necessary to maintain American dominance on the European continent.

      Google system translation
      https://nyadagbladet.se/utrikes/har-ar-de-amerikanska-myndigheterna-som-rand-dokumentet-adresserats-till/
  10. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 12 September 2022 09: 51
    0
    For the successful implementation of the NMD, and the prevention of its escalation into a war with NATO, it is necessary to put insurmountable pressure on the United States to force it to retreat in all positions. This is possible only by the threat of a nuclear war on their own territory.
  11. Antey Offline Antey
    Antey (Andrey Telichko) 12 September 2022 13: 56
    -1
    Quote from Stigh
    It’s good that we don’t have a border with Poland, otherwise the Poles would attack us, and that would be the end

    Aha! They will take Moscow, they will put False Dmitry, you, Navalny, and then we will again collect the Militia. The only question is who will be Minin and Pozharsky?
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 12 September 2022 23: 52
      -2
      Quote: Antey
      Aha! They will take Moscow, they will put False Dmitry, you, Navalny, and then we will again collect the Militia. The only question is who will be Minin and Pozharsky?

      You will breed the Seven Boyars when making decisions on the NWO (do not even try to deny the problem) - you will get the Time of Troubles in a modern version and as a "bonus" - dill prancing on the Abrams under the walls of the Kremlin.
      In the same way as they prancing on horseback in the XVl - XVII century in the convoy of the Polish gentry.

      Remind that then Sagaidachny robbed, raped and burned Moscow?