Breakthrough near Kharkov - a brilliant military trick or someone's gross miscalculation?

Breakthrough near Kharkov - a brilliant military trick or someone's gross miscalculation?

The situation in the Kharkiv direction remains very serious. Contrary to the “cheerful” statements of Vasily Nebenzya, Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, the enemy was able to achieve significant tactical successes in a few days, recapturing a number of settlements, moving far deep into the Eastern Front, easily opening it, and creating a threat to the Russian grouping in Izyum, aimed at liberating the Slavic- Kramatorsk agglomeration. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are hastily drawing up reserves, and the entire further course of the NMD may depend on the results of this first major battle in the fall of 2022.


According to military commander Ivan Poddubny, the Ukrainian army was able to break through to the suburbs of Kupyansk, this strategically important logistics center for supplying the Russian army in the Kharkiv region, and began shelling it:

The city is still under enemy fire. Our reserves arrive at the LBS. Today the air bridge operates all day long. "Cows" are dragging machinery and personnel. Columns move across the ground. The enemy must be defeated.

"Cows" are Mi-26 heavy transport helicopters designed to transport military equipment by air. The transfer of heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A and MLRS Uragan to the line of combat contact was noticed. Columns of BTR-82A armored personnel carriers with additional protection, trucks towing MSTA-B and D-20 howitzers, and logistics vehicles go along the routes. It is reported about the beginning of the evacuation of civilians from Kupyansk and Izyum and heavy bloody battles. There is a clear crisis in the Kharkov direction. At the same time, even the usually optimistic popular video bloggers covering the course of the special operation warn that one should not wait for a quick retaliatory strike and the launch of the Russian Armed Forces on a counteroffensive in order to recapture the enemy’s gains.

About the reasons that led to such a deplorable situation at the front, we reasoned previously. It should be noted that now in the media space the theory that all this is a militarily ingenious trap, the purpose of which is to lure the Armed Forces of Ukraine from their fortified areas, to grind with aviation and artillery in an open field, and then on the shoulders of those fleeing to break into a half-empty Kharkiv. How justified is this version?

In her favor interview The well-known Russian military expert Konstantin Sivkov spoke to the Vzglyad publication on the fact:

It is obvious that all combat-ready forces of the Ukrainian army were deployed in this direction. However, they ended up in a "fire bag" and could be destroyed with the right use of reserves on our part.

Also, Apty Alaudinov, commander of the Akhmat special forces, spoke about the heavy losses on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to him, in a few days the Ukrainian army lost up to 5 well-trained fighters from a 30-strong group thrown into the offensive in the Kharkiv region. However, there are quite serious counterarguments that make it doubtful that what is happening now on the Eastern Front is someone's ingenious military trick.

At first, the "unexpected" large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which everyone knew about a few weeks in advance, led to the fact that the first line of defense was easily broken through by the enemy, and the second was not at all. Having no way to withstand a powerful blow from a vastly superior enemy equipped with heavy armored vehicles, poorly armed and poorly trained “policemen” from the LDNR were forced to retreat. At the same time, the garrisons defending the cities, represented by the fighters of the Russian Guard and SOBR special forces, found themselves in an operational environment. What is worth, in particular, the message of the Samara SOBR, blocked in Balakliya, that they do not plan to surrender and will fight to the end?

In fact, we received the "Brest Fortress-2" in the modern iteration. For several days, the press featured bewildered comments from the Armed Forces of Ukraine that someone is still shooting back in the eastern part of Balakliya. Today it became known who exactly fought back in a hopeless situation from a many times superior enemy. Yan Gagin, Advisor to the Prime Minister of the DPR, spoke about this:

About Balakleya I can only say what can really be called a feat to hold the city with forces less than a full company. This is the Russian SOBR. Considering that this is just a police special forces and they were quite limited in strength and means at that moment, the fact that they held the city for so long, got out of it without loss, is just a feat.

Yes, the defense of the "Balakleyskaya Fortress" is a feat, but the fact that the surviving Samara sobrists were able to escape is simply a miracle. But can it be that the soldiers of the elite special forces were deliberately thrown into the encirclement to certain death, without warning in advance that all this is a brilliant military trap, and you just need to move away? Sorry, I don't believe it.

Secondly, we have already received Bucha-2, alas. Arriving in the settlements of the Kharkiv region previously controlled by the RF Armed Forces, the Ukrainian Nazis immediately began to “put things in order”, identifying those who collaborated with the Russian military-civilian administration. The fate of all these people, who believed in the declared goals and objectives of the special operation, is now unenviable.

All in all, if "trapping the enemy in a fire bag" is really someone's cunning plan, then it is truly inhumane. It is not even clear what is worse, such cynicism or the banal negligence of responsible persons. It's time to draw some organizational conclusions and change the approach to conducting a special operation that has long turned into a full-scale war to destroy Russia. We will certainly talk about possible solutions further.
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  1. Corsair Offline Corsair
    Corsair (DNR) 10 September 2022 13: 16
    +12
    A breakthrough near Kharkov - a brilliant military trick or someone's gross miscalculation

    Judging by the data on the abandonment of Izyum by the RF Armed Forces in order to avoid complete encirclement and defeat, this is more than just a miscalculation
    or error...

    This is CHANGE.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 10 September 2022 13: 26
      -9
      the source of your data has been established, it is an anonymous nameless and impersonal fish .... don't be so naive young man, don't spread false rumors, don't trust the internet, let's wait for official data
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 10 September 2022 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: vladimir1155
        the source of your data is established, it is an anonymous nameless and impersonal fish....

        First, "The Fisherman"

        Secondly, data from the TG channel of the Union of Volunteers of Donbass, for which fakes were not listed.
        1. Ivanovich 1960 Offline Ivanovich 1960
          Ivanovich 1960 10 September 2022 17: 42
          0
          I respect these guys, but their horizons are limited by the aiming range of individual weapons
    2. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 10 September 2022 15: 15
      -2
      Quote: Corsair
      This is CHANGE.

      This is the TREASON of the thieves' godfather. In MO too.
    3. matvey makarov Offline matvey makarov
      matvey makarov (matvey makarov) 13 September 2022 15: 41
      +1
      Well, what kind of "treason", it's just a war where it happens for everyone ...
      Moreover, Ukraine as a state has long ceased to exist, and Russia is now at war with NATO.
      So let's see what happens next, and if necessary, we will all go to war, but we still crushed the Western scum, and, as always, on their territory, in their capitals, as we have already done many times.
    4. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 19: 02
      0
      Corsair, who cheated on whom?
    5. Alexander Hort Offline Alexander Hort
      Alexander Hort (Alexander Roshchin) 15 September 2022 11: 31
      0
      This is gouging on the part of the Russian Federation. And, we must pay tribute to the enemy, who managed to take advantage of this.
  2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 10 September 2022 13: 19
    -4
    but Sergey doesn’t think that our command didn’t imagine such stupidity as sending 30 thousand Nazis under our sunshine? our patrols began to move away from this crowd, but the response to the Nazis is already arriving, there is a new Ilovaisk ahead, 5000 killed Ukrofascists are already being voiced, that is, every sixth of those who attacked, selected Bandera are turning into manure, and not all of our reserves have come up yet, .... .you need to cut them off from the supply and fill them with shells
    1. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
      Art Pilot (pilot) 10 September 2022 15: 20
      +1
      You are absolutely right. The whole question is whether Russian Ukrainians will have time to turn on their brains or whether they will be disposed of sooner.
    2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 10 September 2022 18: 46
      +2
      Well, when they voice the losses of the enemy, they say "up to, for example, 5000". And it can be 1 and 100, and 3000. Who counted them. And we have enough chaos everywhere. As the unforgettable VS Chernomyrdin said

      We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.

      And "now" you will again have to take both Izyum and Kupyansk.
      1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 12 September 2022 18: 36
        +1
        very simply, it is known that before the war there were 200 thousand fascists in the Donbass, they are no longer there, so the loss of 200 thousand is a minimum, plus the continuous conscription in Ukraine shows the Nazis are being knocked out, so the figure of 300-400 thousand killed fascists, known to specialists, is real , while there are not so many motivated fascists, and they cannot be compensated by calling
    3. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 12 September 2022 10: 49
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      Quote: vladimir1155
      but Sergey doesn’t think that our command didn’t imagine such stupidity as sending 30 thousand Nazis under our sunshine? our patrols began to move away from this crowd, but the response to the Nazis is already arriving, there is a new Ilovaisk ahead, 5000 killed Ukrofascists are already being voiced, that is, every sixth of those who attacked, selected Bandera are turning into manure, and not all of our reserves have come up yet, .... .you need to cut them off from the supply and fill them with shells

      I don’t know, unfortunately or not, but both the quality of the material submitted here (quantity, capitalism has not been canceled by anyone), and the level of discussion / comments of the local forum society, shows its level.
    4. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 19: 33
      +1
      Vladimir1155, you see how the miners do not like your idea that the RF Ministry of Defense actually did everything so that the Nazis believed in the weakness of the defense of our troops in this particular area, and how the sheep fell for slaughter. There are statements on the net by one Nazi - We were simply lured into a trap.
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  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 September 2022 13: 57
    +10
    What was said back in March. We need the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command, we need the mobilization of the country, we need to recognize the reality of the war, and not the NWO. We need the slogan "Everything for the front, everything for the Victory."
    The rate must have unlimited powers to make decisions inside and outside the country. Temporary freezing of any supplies of any materials and raw materials abroad. This also applies to "friendly countries".
    And then it becomes clear "can we repeat?". We can't yet.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 12 September 2022 10: 26
      -2
      Quote: Bakht
      need to mobilize the country,

      what mobilization? there is an announcement, an attack on the country? what is your motivation? patriotic impulse? are you a military man, ex? such go to volunteers, if age and health allows
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 September 2022 13: 33
        -2
        And the main conclusion that we must draw is that if we get involved in a special military operation, military operations, and so on, then we must take this with all seriousness. And this means that all efforts should be directed to the mobilization of both society and the state, and the restructuring of administrative structures, and the creation of analogues of the state defense committee or the headquarters of the Supreme High Command, if necessary.

        I do not draw far-reaching conclusions, I have no grounds for them, I know that certain conclusions have been drawn and are being drawn in the course of a special military operation - the question is whether these conclusions are sufficient or whether much more ambitious ones should be drawn, I leave, of course, to the discretion of the military-political leadership, which has the full picture of what is happening. I hope that it has the full picture of what is happening. It is also clear that there are no such military actions in which there are only offensives and victories. This should also be clear, there should be no reason to panic or anything. But there must be grounds for urgent conclusions regarding the conduct of this operation and how it is displayed in the country.

        There can be no fireworks at a time when military defeats are taking place, and there should be no holidays at this time either, they should be postponed, if only out of respect for those who are there now. This is what I would like to draw attention to. Because I don’t care, by and large, - of course, I care, well, why is someone rejoicing in Ukraine, shouting about victory and everything else. This will pass, I hope, along with our successes. I care about how we perceive it and what we must do here for this. And here I would like to hope that these conclusions will be drawn, will be drawn as quickly as possible, and that the forces that we involve in carrying out this operation should be multiplied. We have already found out that this is not just a military operation, this is a national war, treat it the same way.
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          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 September 2022 15: 58
            -2
            Nobody officially declared war. No one has officially announced it yet.
            Did you mean this particular question?
            By mobilization do you mean mass conscription? I meant the mobilization of the country. Its economy, financial stability, industry. and foreign policy activities. And the interior policy too.
            Volunteers seem to be sufficient. But there are security issues. You can also find the opinion of commanders from the front line (oh, sorry, there is no front, after all). For example, is Khodakovsky authoritative enough for you?

            I have fewer people than I would like - but I experience the main difficulty not in this, but in the fact that for hours I cannot find the positions of the enemy from which he is hitting us - yesterday two light three hundredths. I can’t, because there are no means of artillery reconnaissance. I can't because their electronic warfare won't let me fly. And if I suddenly can, then I don’t have enough range to cover them, or I don’t have enough BC ... I can’t calculate and screw them at the stage of formation of battle formations before deploying to the attack, when they are crowded and represent a good target - all for the same reasons . How will additional infantry help me here? So the approach must be comprehensive, and this process is complex and requires a change in the type of thinking.
            1. Victorio Offline Victorio
              Victorio (Victorio) 12 September 2022 16: 08
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              I meant the mobilization of the country

              where is this? what is this for? the enemy attacked us, probably the sanctions attacked? the economy is coping, everything or almost everything goes on as usual. what else to mobilize? rallies, meetings, 12-24 hour working day, cards - do you mean such mobilization?

              but mobilization is a call, yes. there are not enough people, but again for what and whom to mobilize. I'm old. you are sick, the third does not want, etc.

              there have always been, are and will be difficulties with provision. and there will always be something missing. theme from the category of transfusion from empty to empty. it was necessary to think, to foresee. take care and generally spread the straw.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 September 2022 16: 10
                -3
                Well, then you're all right. Everything goes according to plan. I do not think so.
                1. Victorio Offline Victorio
                  Victorio (Victorio) 13 September 2022 09: 11
                  -2
                  Quote: Bakht
                  Well, then you're all right. Everything goes according to plan. I do not think so.

                  I don't think everything is ok. Is everything okay in Russia? starting with the cleanliness of the entrance, etc. etc. she is responsible for everyone. including us, and in this case - what we write
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 September 2022 09: 28
                    +1
                    The responsibility lies in writing the truth. The situation on the northern sector of the front remains dangerous. The enemy is advancing. Russian troops are not yet able to stabilize the front line.

                    About more global things. The CBO format has exhausted itself. The format of communication with "partners" has exhausted itself.

                    It is from these premises that I write my comments.

                    The Junta Armed Forces are storming Belogorovka west of Lisichansk. The loss of this town will give the enemy the opportunity to develop an offensive towards Lisichansk. Plus, increase pressure on Liman, whose defenders hold out for 4 days. But if the VSKh take Svyatogorsk, and everything goes to that, the situation in Liman will become close to catastrophic. As is the situation in general on this entire sector of the front.

                    As a result, by the spring campaign (we won’t have time before), we simply have to carry out serious reforms in the army and rear (primarily MANAGEMENT), and as a result, we should have a completely different army and rear, ready to continue waging war until Victory (and there is no other option). And most importantly, the ATTITUDE towards war in society must change.

                    And yet, yes, it's time to get rid of the abbreviation CBO. If this is a war for the right of the country's existence, then it should be called accordingly. Moreover, during the Izyum operation, it became clear to the last idiot who is really interested in politics and war that we are fighting not with Ukraine, but with NATO and for the right to live on our own land.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 13 September 2022 11: 07
                      -1
                      Bakhtiyar, for me, nothing unexpected happened in Ukraine. I do not doubt the strength and cunning of those who organized and paid for the seizure of power in Ukraine in 2014.

                      The level of Maidan people excludes them, Maidan people, from contenders for the place of successful organizers of color revolutions. It seems to me that the events in Ukraine and in the world only confirm my opinion.
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 September 2022 12: 13
                        -3
                        Unexpected for me personally was the failure of the CBO.
                        I'm afraid that in the coming days we will witness another unpleasant event. The Angles, according to satellite intelligence, are chasing information. I really hope this is fake.
                    2. Victorio Offline Victorio
                      Victorio (Victorio) 13 September 2022 17: 32
                      0
                      how do you know what is true and not? We round off, I will not repeat.
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 September 2022 17: 58
                        -2
                        Belogorovka

                        According to our military correspondents, our troops surrendered Belogorovka


                        I don't know. I use Y. Podolyaki's telegram channel
    2. Anatoly Solovyanov (anatoly solovyanov) 12 September 2022 10: 48
      -2
      Alas. Putin is not Stalin ... Guts are thin ...
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 21: 04
        0
        Anatoly, what do you know about Stalin's methods? Share.
  5. Andrey Zradinskiy (Andrey Zradinsky) 10 September 2022 13: 59
    +15
    Everyone understands that this is a brilliant military trick. There was a time when such tricksters were eagerly awaited by the tribunal.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 19: 50
      0
      Andrei, do you want the defeat of Russia? What kind of tricksters can you name the tricksters and the decisions of the tribunals? And how does this relate to SVO?
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  7. Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
    Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 10 September 2022 14: 18
    -4
    I agree! Explanatory article.
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    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 20: 19
      0
      Shark, for a Nazi's coming out, a really sensible article, for me - a Russian - another speculation far from reality
  8. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 10 September 2022 14: 33
    +7
    A breakthrough near Kharkov - a brilliant military trick or someone's gross miscalculation

    - Yes, what is this "miscalculation" ??? - A month and a half ago, everyone in the world who is interested in holding the WZO in Ukraine - all and sundry - "these all" knew perfectly well that a global offensive was being prepared in Ukraine and that the West was carefully coaching and training a whole new army of Ukrainian reservists for this! !! - Our General Staff knew very well how effective and accurate the strikes of the M142 HIMARS systems and long-range artillery systems M777 and "Caesar" received by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the West are! - So what !!! - What was done by our General Staff to "neutralize" all this ??? - Yes, absolutely - NOTHING !!!
    - What is this - "miscalculation", "incompetence", "unprofessionalism" ???
    - Or maybe - this is a clear betrayal in the ranks of our command !!!!!!! - Very similar to this!!!
    - And what is happening now ??? - Yes, the same thing is happening - so everything continues !!!
    - Quickly and urgently "pulled" from various nearby Russian military districts - equipment, personnel; hastily put together a semblance of military units from them; loaded and sent - they "reported" - we "sent reinforcements", we "sent reserves" !!! - From us "bribes-smooth" !!!
    - Crap !!!
    - Firstly, this is a "drop in the ocean" - "these reserves" are clearly not enough !!! ;
    - Secondly - they (these reserves) - "have not been tested" and have not learned to interact with each other - they are clearly not prepared to carry out a single task !!!
    - And now they will face those with combat experience, and "bitten the bit from success" - parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine !!! Huge and unjustified losses of such "reinforcements" are simply inevitable !!! - And this is the "result" and "continuation" of that obvious betrayal among our leadership, which "took place" !!!
    - We really need "very harsh measures" in relation to "all this" !!!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 20: 55
      0
      Gorenina, what do you think the General Staff should have done?
      Or maybe he did what he did? Give yourself time to think, analyze and understand that everything was done correctly. More precisely, the performance was played so realistically that it was simply impossible not to believe. The Nazis believed and went to the slaughter.
  9. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 10 September 2022 14: 52
    0
    This is CHANGE.

    I know one military pensioner. There are still many forces, he got a job as a clerk at the headquarters of a motorized rifle brigade of the RF Ministry of Defense. What did he say! The mind is incomprehensible. The staff asked (forced) him to draw them maps for the exercises, with all the decisions and so on. Themselves no gu-gu. In the eyes of rubles and dollars. They steal from contractors everything that is possible and impossible. For years, contractors have been going without a military ID (instead of it, they have an A-4 sheet with a photograph and a blurry seal), but because they ask for money for a military ticket. Positions where you can steal are sold by superiors.
    It's not once, it's happening now. Bastards!
    There is no longer any confidence in the Kremlin characters. If this one, having lost all dignity, tries to extend his power in 2024, then he will be carried out in disgrace!
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 10 September 2022 15: 25
      +1
      Quote: Teacher
      got a job as a clerk at the headquarters of a motorized rifle brigade

      Kindergarten, nursery group. Lie at least competently. At one, the friend rode to the landing, went to the headquarters of the battalion and could not find gray-haired colonels and generals there, poring over maps of the combat area. Another, with a blue eye, claims that an ordinary civilian clerk of a combat unit has access to secret documents not by the nature of his activity. Shame!
    2. matvey makarov Offline matvey makarov
      matvey makarov (matvey makarov) 13 September 2022 15: 53
      +1
      Good to lie!
      I served under a contract for ten years, I always had a military ID with me, or, in the conditions of hostilities, in the headquarters safe where we handed them over ourselves ...
      And only "warriors of sofa troops" and Ukrainian provocateurs can talk about hostilities, because they don't get out of the Russian media and social networks around the clock.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 20: 22
        0
        Matvey, and these people lie about rolling down the mountain.
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 18: 45
      0
      Teacher, Will they endure in disgrace? Who will take it? You and others like you? And we, all the tens of millions who nominated him for this post, will calmly look at this "removal"? Are you all right in the head?
  10. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 10 September 2022 15: 16
    0
    Russia 100 years ago went through a civil war. Nothing survived. Now the picture is much better. A company of mercenaries Ukroreich will not be saved.
  11. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 10 September 2022 15: 52
    +9
    This military-political leadership is not ready for war. They can launch biathlon and fireworks.
  12. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 10 September 2022 16: 43
    +3
    We must hold the front line until winter. With the first frosts, turn off the Independent gas and then we'll see
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 September 2022 17: 16
      +2
      Someone will turn off the gas. Rather, they will sell us for loot, just to be in power
  13. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 10 September 2022 17: 11
    +3
    Something is wrong in the Oblonskys' house. I will see the massive use of superbombs on the supercluster of the enemy, I will believe that everything was intended that way. Otherwise, I refuse to believe in a fire bag.
  14. Ivanushka-555 Offline Ivanushka-555
    Ivanushka-555 (Ivan) 10 September 2022 18: 02
    -1
    Apty Alaudinov already told us the other day that everything is fine! The same yap as Putin with Shoigu and his immediate superior Kadyrov!
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  17. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 10 September 2022 19: 08
    +3
    In the media: they surrendered Balakleya, Kupyansk, and Izyum. Here they are, the "white gloves" with the Ukronazis. Mdaa..
  18. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 10 September 2022 19: 43
    +2
    So that Konashenkov doesn’t squeal, this is a rout .. The RF Armed Forces depart for the LDNR. It’s good if the Ukrainians don’t break in on the shoulders of the retreating. And Moscow is buzzing, they celebrate the city’s day. dragged the minister and the chief of the general staff behind him
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 10 September 2022 23: 47
      0
      You're right to be so nervous. Everything goes according to plan. This is how they restored the country, they fight in the same manner. Not a penny will be lost, the money is behind the cordon.
  19. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 September 2022 20: 18
    +3
    At one time, they left Kyiv under the same pretext "troops are being transferred to the Donbass." Donbass was not liberated.
    Now again "troops are being transferred to the Donbass." Although yesterday they were talking about the fact that the reserves go to the Izyum.
    For a whole month they were talking about the 3rd Volunteer Corps. And they showed a video with equipment on the Crimean bridge. And today Zaluzhny says that 50 thousand hardened soldiers will soon storm the Crimea.

    The only fact is that the Russian Armed Forces were defeated near Kharkov.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 12 September 2022 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      near Kharkov, the Russian Armed Forces were defeated.

      that's for sure, languages ​​are like a pomelo. you even value what it is, defeat you know
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 September 2022 13: 37
        -4
        Show you photos of broken equipment, Russian prisoners of war and flags over settlements?
        I won't show them, of course. But there are plenty of them on the internet.
        Or are you from a cohort like that?

        - Having suffered heavy losses to the enemy, our troops left the cities A, B, C ...
        - Hurrah! The enemy is running after us in a panic!
        1. Victorio Offline Victorio
          Victorio (Victorio) 12 September 2022 15: 39
          -1
          Quote: Bakht
          Having suffered heavy losses to the enemy, our troops left the cities A, B, C ...
          - Hurrah! The enemy is running after us in a panic!

          ?defeat - the death of your soldier, broken equipment, destruction? and the death of an enemy soldier, the destruction of his equipment and infrastructure - a victory? on what basis you consider defeat, you know how much. what, where, more destroyed? no, unknown. even according to approximate calculations, the APU suffer very large losses. much larger than in Russia.
          I don’t know how exactly, but one of the leaders (new leaders, not Ukrainian) reports an eight-fold advantage in HP from the APU in the Kharkov direction?
    2. matvey makarov Offline matvey makarov
      matvey makarov (matvey makarov) 13 September 2022 16: 07
      +1
      I'm wondering what you will write here then ... when the RF Armed Forces are already on the border with Poland ...)
      And yet, in six months, the RF Armed Forces in a limited number and the Armed Forces of the LDNR liberated more than 100 thousand square kilometers of the territory of Ukraine from Bandera (and NATO) troops, and they, the so-called. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, where, according to eyewitnesses, they no longer speak Ukrainian or Russian at all, but mainly English and Polish, now, by chance, they invaded a territory of less than three thousand square kilometers, which the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation did at the beginning of the NMD in the very first hours ...
      There is a difference?!))
      And kill all the haters of Russia on your noses, we are now at war not with Ukraine, but with NATO, which has long been not only supplying weapons to Ukraine, but also fighting them with the RF Armed Forces.
      And the result will be this: We will again come to Europe, as has happened many times, apparently the descendants of the Nazis forgot, I have to remind.
  20. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 10 September 2022 20: 31
    -1
    As soon as the supreme leader left the capital for a couple of days, everything went to hell. For what the hell did he drag the minister and the chief of the general staff with him.
    As if from these characters, something depends. The entire General Staff of the Russian Federation was bought. It's a pity for painted paper, or what? Putin specifically took everyone to the Far East to provide an alibi.
    If some kind of purifying force appears in Russia, it will not be in Moscow. Loot rules here! Do not care at all, for children, the future of Russia! They don't live here, or hope they'll buy security. It's rotten - to disassemble Moscow.
    If the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation somehow get out of a situation of absolute betrayal, then the country should be led by people who have gone through all this. Through blood, the stench of corpses from comrades, murdered children and women. Putin, besides Sobchak's suitcases and then, red carpets, has seen something like that? Not! He is a sucker in front of any officer fighting in Ukraine, a sucker in front of the leaders of all unrecognized republics loyal to Russia. They are loyal to Russia, unlike the Kremlin's dollar millionaires.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 September 2022 20: 55
      +8
      Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov opened a military hospital in Kazan three days ago. While the Armed Forces launched an offensive. There was no one else for this super-important event?
      The Supreme Commander-in-Chief opened the Ferris wheel at VDNKh today. Does he have other worries?
      I tried not to criticize the actions of the main persons of the state. Moreover, during the war it works for the enemy. But what is happening is already beyond all limits.

      From a military point of view, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have short supply lines and long-distance communications. They may well transfer fifty thousand fighters with equipment to the Zaporozhye direction. And very quickly. Yes, we know that there are steppes and open country. But strength breaks straw. Kyiv will not reckon with any losses if it can eliminate the bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper and take Kherson. Now it will not be a defeat, but a catastrophe.
      1. matvey makarov Offline matvey makarov
        matvey makarov (matvey makarov) 13 September 2022 16: 12
        0
        Dreaming is not bad ...
        But in this case, your dreams of defeating Russia will certainly not come true.
        You better tell here how much territory Ukraine has lost in just six months ...
        Or suggest?
        More than 35%, taking into account the LDNR and other areas.
        And then there will be more! )
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 11 September 2022 15: 43
      -1
      It was done this way to show the enemies that we are not afraid of the gray wolf, the gray wolf. We know a lot about pigs, we know a lot. The impression is that everything was done according to the contract. Now we need to find out who negotiated with whom and how much it costs? Big money is spinning on both sides of positions.
  21. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 10 September 2022 23: 46
    +1
    Specially lured. Here in those places where the Ukrainians dig in their skiff, they don't even know it. The Russian General Staff will take an eraser in hand and erase these places from the maps and kayuks to Ukrainian fighters, as if their plates were stolen.
  22. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 September 2022 10: 10
    -1
    All this from empty to empty.
    Either they were lured or they weren't.
    50 to 50, depending on the faith of the HSP.

    It will be seen soon
    Just in case, let them prepare the laudatory psalms of the HPP.
  23. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 11 September 2022 10: 39
    -1
    As soon as the situation changed not for the better for us, the trolls, together with not very smart commentators, became more active announcing the presence of the most cunning plans...
  24. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
    lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 11 September 2022 12: 49
    -2
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: vladimir1155
    the source of your data is established, it is an anonymous nameless and impersonal fish....

    First, "The Fisherman"

    Secondly, data from the TG channel of the Union of Volunteers of Donbass, for which fakes were not listed.

    And thirdly, the speaking heads operating with official data, such as Konashenkov, Zakharova, Nebenzi, etc., often describe the situation in too positive tones.
  25. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
    bsk_una (Nick) 11 September 2022 13: 53
    0
    Izyum, like the entire NWO-betrayal of the top of the Russian Federation, is a special operation of the traitors of the country. All this, entrenched in the government and the oligarchy around the top of power, did their job. What, it was not immediately clear when they left Kyiv, and the "famous" Abramovich appeared at the talks in Turkey. Power in the field and on the top shelf is the fifth or some other column. Everything stolen by them is over the hill from the enemy, thereby saying that these "cadres" are also traitors, according to a conservative estimate, they can be counted about five million. You have no idea how much and what kind of power it is. They spread theft on a national scale, plundering the country, the people. And the guarantor? Indulge? Did the General Staff miscalculate, or do threads of betrayal come from there? Betrayal comes from the curse of the USSR, the collapse of the economy, education. Look what the enemies of the people are doing, moreover, openly, and we vote for these creatures, or rather, we don’t go to vote, with and with our tacit consent, evil is happening on our land:

  26. Sergey Obukhov Offline Sergey Obukhov
    Sergey Obukhov (Sergey Obukhoa) 11 September 2022 18: 23
    -2
    Quote: zenion
    Specially lured. Here in those places where the Ukrainians dig in their skiff, they don't even know it. The Russian General Staff will take an eraser in hand and erase these places from the maps and kayuks to Ukrainian fighters, as if their plates were stolen.

    Fresh tradition, but hard to believe
  27. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 12 September 2022 08: 36
    -1
    Quote: vladimir1155
    but Sergey doesn’t think that our command didn’t imagine such stupidity as sending 30 thousand Nazis under our sunshine? our patrols began to move away from this crowd, but the response to the Nazis is already arriving, there is a new Ilovaisk ahead, 5000 killed Ukrofascists are already being voiced, that is, every sixth of those who attacked, selected Bandera are turning into manure, and not all of our reserves have come up yet, .... .you need to cut them off from the supply and fill them with shells

    What the heck, you've seriously overdosed on the TV. Critical thinking has already failed and it has been replaced by conspiracy nonsense. Just a little bit more and the mind will fail, and then the kidneys. Urgently need to do dialysis of the mind
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 14 September 2022 20: 31
      0
      Miskol, how would you like to make a diagnosis of your brain as well?
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