Why did the allied forces begin to suffer insulting local defeats in Ukraine

Why did the allied forces begin to suffer insulting local defeats in Ukraine

The main topic of the last few days is, of course, the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was announced long ago and has finally begun. Its results at the moment are extremely ambiguous: if in the Kherson direction, the Ukrainian troops managed to only slightly move forward at the cost of colossal losses, then in Kharkov their successes, unfortunately, are very significant. How did it happen that the systematic victorious advance of the allied forces forward unexpectedly turned into an insulting local defeat?


The most unfortunate thing about what is happening is that the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not a surprise to anyone. On the contrary, President Zelensky publicly spoke about the need to recapture Kherson for many months, and the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny just as publicly pointed out that the greatest success can be achieved precisely in the Kharkiv region, in the Izyum direction. Which ultimately happened.

"Kharkiv breakthrough"


If we summarize the more or less plausible information available in the public domain, the following picture emerges. For a long time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine accumulated in the Kharkiv region two powerful shock fists, reinforced by a significant number of tanks and artillery, which everyone knew about, from the last blogger writing on near-military topics to the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. The problem was that the exact direction of their strike was not known. In view of the obvious shortage of available forces, the Russian General Staff concentrated its reserves to stop a possible offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in priority, at first glance, directions. However, the enemy, as it turned out, was more cunning.

Obviously, using the intelligence of the NATO bloc, the Ukrainian army first struck with relatively small forces, but with a narrow wedge, which allowed it to quickly break through far inland. For some 3 days, the advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a narrow section of the front was up to 50 kilometers. At the same time, several small settlements were immediately occupied, and Balakliya was also taken into the operational environment. There is no official confirmation from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the fall of the defense of this city, however, popular Telegram channels writing on military topics talk about the possible abandonment of Balakliya by the allied forces. If this is true, the Bucha-2 involuntarily begins to loom.

Even worse, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine are able to take Kupyansk, the most important logistics center, this will create a threat of encirclement and cessation of supplies to the Izyum grouping of the RF Armed Forces. If this, God forbid, happens, this strategically important foothold will also have to be abandoned, which can already be written down as a strategic victory for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, alas. It is reported that both sides are actively drawing up reserves: Ukrainian - to gain a foothold, Russian - in order to hold their positions, and then inflict flank strikes on the enemy stretched out on a narrow elongated "gut".

Obviously, a major battle has begun in the Kharkiv region, the results of which will be of exceptional importance for the further course of the special operation. The question is why is this possible at all?

Where it is thin, there it is torn


Unfortunately, there are a lot of reasons for what is happening, and they have been accumulating for a long time.

At first, there is a clear underestimation of the enemy, who for some reason is still considered incapable of performing powerful offensive operations, but only sitting in fortified areas on the defensive. No, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are no longer the confused guys that in 2014 could be driven across the field in a white Niva. They now know how and want to kill the Russians, and command them, planning operations, NATO generals, using all the intelligence and military-industrial power of the North Atlantic Alliance. It was they who paved the direction of the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a narrow section of the front, where there was practically nothing to stop them.

Secondly, big questions arise to our own command. According to numerous sources, the defense in the indicated area, where the breakthrough was made, was held mainly by poorly armed and poorly trained “policemen” of the LDNR from among those mobilized in recent months. The few garrisons in the settlements were represented by fighters of the National Guard, for whom field battles are not their main activity. What could they oppose to a powerful concentrated strike by a numerically many times superior enemy equipped with a heavy technique? Only personal heroism, but you won’t fight on it alone for a long time. By the way, why over the past time the settlements liberated by us were not turned into fortified areas where one could sit out while waiting for reinforcements? Question.

ThirdlyHaving achieved initial success in the Kharkov direction, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began the process of transferring reserves there from the Kherson direction, where our Ministry of Defense immediately noted the cessation of the enemy’s offensive activity. And no wonder. The issue is that Kyiv, in the seventh month of the special operation to demilitarize it, still has the ability to maneuver reserves, quickly transferring them from the Southern Front to the Eastern Front via the Ukrainian railway. Damn it, when will it be destroyed?!

The foregoing allows us to draw a disappointing conclusion that the tactical defeat in the Kharkiv direction was a natural result of the strategy chosen by the Kremlin for actions in Ukraine with small forces. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and poorly trained "policemen" from the LDNR are simply not enough for such a long front line. Having given the enemy a strategic initiative, we are now forced to go on the defensive, and he got the opportunity to record another image victory at his own expense. Without a sharp increase in the number of Russian troops about the surrender of Kyiv by December, as some of our "couch experts-analysts" naively dream, one should not even think about it, it would be possible to keep what has already been liberated.

And at the same time, in the Far East, we were holding large-scale Vostok-2022 exercises, which involved 50 military personnel, thousands of various armored vehicles and many aircraft, as well as warships. According to media reports, President Putin, personally watching them, smiled and joked with Defense Minister Shoigu. British Mirror journalist Hannah Levin commented on the Russian leader's cheerful demeanor as follows:

By continuing the four-year Vostok exercise, Putin appears to be sending the signal that the Russian military is capable of operating as usual while participating in a special operation in Ukraine in parallel.

Presumably, everything is under his control, there is nothing to worry about, alarmists - to answer.
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  1. Corsair Offline Corsair
    Corsair (DNR) 9 September 2022 10: 50
    -2
    Why did the allied forces begin to suffer insulting local defeats in Ukraine

    It seems that the breakthrough of the front line of the allied forces near the recently liberated Pesok (Donetsk) will also be recorded as an asset of such "local defeats" ...
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 9 September 2022 10: 55
      +11
      for the Kremlin, there is already a traditional option to justify what is happening at the front, you can declare this as another gesture of goodwill
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 9 September 2022 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: rotkiv04
        for the Kremlin, there is already a traditional option to justify what is happening at the front, you can declare this as another gesture of goodwill

        Or traditionally get off "Last Russian warning"
        1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
          Grei grin (Gray Grin) 12 September 2022 16: 56
          +1
          or express deep concern!
      2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 29
        +1
        and traditional accounting of estimates of those killed and shot down by the enemy
    2. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 9 September 2022 11: 17
      -4
      Kyiv, in the seventh month of the special operation to demilitarize it, still has the ability to maneuver reserves, quickly transferring them from the Southern Front to the Eastern Front via the Ukrainian railway. Damn it, when will it be destroyed?!

      Half liter?
      - Half liter. - In smithereens...
      - Of course, in smithereens.
      - Yes, I'm for it!

      If everything is "to smithereens", then what will be left for Russian Railways?
    3. asr55 Offline asr55
      asr55 (asr) 28 September 2022 19: 53
      0
      After just 20 days, he looks like a fool.
  2. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 9 September 2022 11: 05
    +5
    You have to be realistic and start digging in. Otherwise, a rollback is possible in the form of a disorderly retreat. Plans for the "liberation" of Kharkov and Odessa can be safely put in one place. Afghanistan has learned little
    1. Nike Online Nike
      Nike (Nikolai) 9 September 2022 11: 24
      +16
      Those who were taught by Afghanistan and Chechnya were eaten by "parquet" generals who do not climb out of high offices
      1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 9 September 2022 17: 00
        +1
        Those who fought in Afghanistan are retired. 30 years have passed.
      2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 31
        0
        that's for sure, an example of Putin's and Shoigu's grin over Yevkurov ........
      3. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
        Benjamin (Benjamin) 11 September 2022 09: 32
        -3
        Those who were taught by Afghan and their children successfully defend their land from the army of an authoritarian king
    2. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
      Sidor Bodrov 9 September 2022 14: 08
      +4
      One gets the impression that a traitor, an agent of Zelensky-NATO, has dug in in the highest echelon of the command of the southwestern district of the Russian Armed Forces. This is not the only joint of this formation in the NWO.
  3. Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 September 2022 11: 46
    -3
    Did the Russian Ministry of Defense approve the information about the "defeat"?

    And then, they write, people are still being judged for the black squares at the beginning of Z.

    Earlier they wrote that the policemen from the LDNR alone will throw the Ukrainians into the World Cup. And now?
  4. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 9 September 2022 11: 53
    +7
    Everything seems to be going exactly as the Ukrainian authorities announced in advance. And the Serpent Island was taken away (strategically important), and the Black Sea Fleet was sunk, and in the Crimea, saboteurs, and at the Kursk nuclear power plant, and near Kharkov are moving forward ... and the victorious chatter in the Russian channels has already receded. Maybe it's time to stop mocking the arrests and the Gordons? After all, Crimea will be taken away, and then Donbass. Why is this war (sorry, "special operation") waged for fun? Or are the Ukrainians still right that the AFRF has the guts to defeat them? And why was all this boasting of zircons and maces? Or is it really a bet on the use of nuclear weapons?
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 32
      0
      do not be ridiculous, who will allow them ...!
  5. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 9 September 2022 12: 00
    0
    Quote: Watching
    ... Or is it really a bet on the use of nuclear weapons?

    It's early yet. First there should be messages like "to level the front line"
    1. single-n Offline single-n
      single-n (Single-n) 12 September 2022 09: 23
      0
      Already. True new name. Maneuvering.
  6. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 9 September 2022 12: 08
    +3
    In the Free Press, the following opinion was expressed (to me, it is quite plausible):

    According to a number of experts, units of the Russian Armed Forces felt relatively safe in their Kharkiv zone of control, since there was allegedly an unspoken “agreement”: the Ukrainians are quiet, and the Russians do not touch gas production in the Kharkiv region, especially since winter is on nose.

    To make it clear what we are talking about, here are some facts: from Balakleya to Shebelinka, where Naftogaz produces more than 40% of blue fuel, some 19 km. According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, in 2020, Shebelinkagazdobycha GPU supplied 7,552 billion m³ of gas and more than 128,04 thousand tons of gas condensate and oil to consumers.

    Now these crafts may be under the legitimate blows of Russian artillery and aviation. What kind of fools do you need to be in order to endanger the entire energy security of the country for the sake of a beautiful picture for the NATO party in Ramstein.
    1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
      Sidor Bodrov 9 September 2022 14: 23
      -1
      Everything is clean with the "fat cats" - there can be no wards of "United Russia". - Bablo wins good.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 9 September 2022 18: 49
        0
        It's not even about the bubble. How can you trust the juntas at all? They are not negotiable. In any case, throw.
  7. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 9 September 2022 12: 15
    +8
    Why did the allied forces begin to suffer insulting local defeats in Ukraine

    - Ha, yes, if only local !!!

    there is a clear underestimation of the enemy, who for some reason is still considered incapable of carrying out powerful offensive operations, but only sitting in fortified areas on the defensive.

    - Yes, what kind of "underestimation" is there ??? - Complete ignorance and lack of orientation in the course - even local - even global warfare !!! - We have in general - who is in command ???
    - Not to see, not to realize the most primitive tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - it must be absolutely illiterate !!! - How can you not see the movement of large columns of armored vehicles and not determine all of its directions - the direction of the main attack - it's just not to have ANY army intelligence at all !!! - Is this a clear betrayal, or what ??? - - If you "project", "compare" and "compare" the "command component" - between the "command of the Navy Black Sea Fleet" and the "command of land military operations" in the Kherson and Kharkov (and in the Donbass) directions - then a picture emerges where incompetence and unprofessional actions are clearly visible - the same mediocre actions of commanders !!! - But, if the commander of the Navy of the Black Sea Fleet - three months after his complete professional unsuitability was revealed - was finally removed ... - then the "unfortunate commanders" of our land forces of the Russian Federation - still remain in their places !!!
  8. Anadyrean Offline Anadyrean
    Anadyrean (Hanson) 9 September 2022 12: 19
    -3
    It's one thing to drive a finger on a map in Moscow - to fight, it's another thing in practice. Gerasimov and his team - burst. Well, at least not much.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 9 September 2022 12: 41
      -2
      Quote: Anadyrean
      Gerasimov and his team - burst.

      But is the General Staff involved in all these failures, or is the RF Armed Forces driven by the Kremlin into a rigid framework of "political and economic expediency" within which they are forced to act, even contrary to logic?
  9. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 9 September 2022 12: 23
    +17
    There is only one question - why, half a year after the start of the operation, is the ukrovermacht still freely maneuvering reserves ?? Why, for example, are the bridges across the Dnieper intact? Why do they even have anything else running on a piece of iron? Why do they still have something to fill the equipment? Some kind of nonsense, not a war ..
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 9 September 2022 12: 36
      +12
      You ask Putin these questions. He will not answer you, but the patriots will cheer on your fingers to explain that lesbians or gays are to blame.
      1. Andrew_2 Offline Andrew_2
        Andrew_2 (Andrew) 10 September 2022 09: 00
        +2
        Putin will not answer you. For 15 years he has been avoiding questions that have not been censored by the FSB. Now they are rubbing against us that this is such a plan to retreat) as well as "everything is according to plan." For half a year they sat suffering and sat through some nonsense. At this rate, the Ukrainians will really reach Moscow soon. It will no longer be necessary to use 12% of the army. This war reminds me of a game of giveaway. They wanted to show off in front of the whole world, like we hadn’t started anything yet, but in the end we disgraced ourselves.

        Do not play cat and mouse with the beast, otherwise it will bite

        this is an accurate description of the current situation
    2. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 9 September 2022 12: 46
      +1
      Quote from Paul3390
      There is only one question - why, half a year after the start of the operation, is the ukrovermacht still freely maneuvering reserves ?? Why, for example, are the bridges across the Dnieper intact? Why do they even have anything else running on a piece of iron?

      If everything is destroyed, then on what will RZD raise money?

      Do not forget that in the first place this is a Special Paramilitary Business Operation for a wide range of interested parties, and only then - demilitarization and denazification.
      1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
        Paul3390 (Paul) 9 September 2022 19: 07
        +1
        Ilyich wrote correctly - if you don’t understand something, always look for the financial interests of the ruling class ...
    3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 35
      0
      agreement!
    4. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 13 September 2022 09: 25
      0
      And this is not a war) but a special operation for denazification and demilitarization. If there was a war, everything would have been bombed long ago, in six months then)
    5. Homeless Offline Homeless
      Homeless (Vladimir) 14 September 2022 09: 22
      0
      At the expense of bridges and railways. good question why?
  10. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 9 September 2022 12: 39
    +6
    in power are entirely "effective" managers looking to the West, and untalented "decisive" careerists in high offices instead of business executives and strategists, + a raw material model of the economy, which in no way can compensate for the heroism and stamina of the Russian soldier. Tracing paper from Russian-Japanese and World War I. It's unfortunate if the result is the same. But how can it be different, if nothing has changed either in the country or at the top even in six months of the NWO and is not going to change?

    remark:

    By the way, the Russian military does not touch gas production in the Kharkiv region, especially since winter is on the nose. To make it clear what we are talking about, here are some facts: from Balakliya to Shebelinka, where Naftogaz produces more than 40% of blue fuel, which something 19 km. According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, in 2020, Shebelinkagazdobycha GPU supplied 7,552 billion m³ of gas and more than 128,04 thousand tons of gas condensate and oil to consumers.

    but it flew hard on the Crimean platforms ....

    another "gesture of good will" as in the case of a piece of iron and bridges, etc.? or agreements and someone's business interests?
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 9 September 2022 16: 19
      0
      but in the Kremlin there is silence and grace:

      12.50 Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov:
      The Kremlin does not comment on the situation around Balakleya and other events in the zone of the Special Military Operation, these are questions of the Russian Defense Ministry.

      no comments needed....
      1. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
        Benjamin (Benjamin) 11 September 2022 09: 41
        0
        Watch at the press, for 47 lyams do not lag behind?
  11. Nicu Offline Nicu
    Nicu (Nicu) 9 September 2022 12: 45
    -6
    Calm down.... the Russian army can do more, they are just waiting for all Ukrainians to gather in sight and then they will strike them with lightning, personally I do not think that the allies have not drawn up a response plan to the highly publicized Ukrainian counter-offensive!
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 9 September 2022 13: 28
      -2
      And if it is not a field of vision, but a forest of vision, how will it be then?
  12. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 9 September 2022 13: 21
    +3
    Presumably, everything is under his control, there is nothing to worry about, alarmists - to answer.

    Well, yes, you can guess...
    He will call alarmists to account, put everyone in prisons, and from there - to the front, to fight for him, his beloved, so that everything remains the same. In short, for stability in our society of thieves and embezzlers!

    The few garrisons in the settlements were represented by fighters of the National Guard, for whom field battles are not their main activity.

    What is the main activity of these glorious men of Putin's guards?
    Disperse demonstrations? Protect the leader? Close power from the people with their breasts?
    Why is it so weak, comrade. Marzhetsky?
    And who will fight? To die "for Putin"?
    The number of this guard of our state exceeds the number of regular troops of the Russian Federation, do you know?
    Unconvincingly presented from you, as from the author of more expressive materials ...
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 9 September 2022 15: 22
      -1
      Quote: Spasatel
      What is the main activity of these glorious men of Putin's guards? Disperse demonstrations? Protect the leader? Close power from the people with their breasts?

      Exactly what you called, because. they were created from the Internal Troops. And there are many other things for which the Internal Troops serve, but not to repel an external threat from an external threat. To listen to you, and the Ministry of Emergency Situations should be sent to war. And prosecutors, And the police. So what? they also wear epaulettes!
      1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
        Paul3390 (Paul) 9 September 2022 19: 09
        +3
        Of course, there is no need to drive them to the front, but they could well free the army from the protection of the front-line rear. Let's say with the DRG - they should cope. As with the commandant's office. Or just beat the demonstrators with sticks a lot?
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 9 September 2022 20: 31
          -1
          Don't you understand that this is exactly what they are doing in the liberated territories? They generally do not have heavy weapons in the state. And, despite this, they are now doing everything possible and impossible to hold back the crests until the main forces approach. And the local turbopatriots are already ready to mix them with shit for this.
      2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 September 2022 11: 20
        0
        Yes, it is necessary that the service does not seem like honey. Their salaries and pensions are higher than those of the military. They cover organized crime groups or they themselves are already organized crime groups
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 10 September 2022 11: 52
          0
          Try to say this to the guys under Balakleya. I wonder how many teeth you will have after this?
          1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 September 2022 17: 08
            0
            They were in the service, they signed the contract. When I served, I also followed orders without discussing them. Then once from the National Guard he began to talk about the service, there was so much negativity, the comments were quickly turned off.
  13. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 9 September 2022 13: 25
    -1
    The enemy was not smarter, but smarter. Focus, as with the USSR, failed. It was the people of the USSR that could be fooled. The current government has shown its ability to be incapable. What was supposed to happen, this happened, I had to admit that they don’t know how to fight, at least call the country. We would give them more if they caught up with us.
    1. Andrew_2 Offline Andrew_2
      Andrew_2 (Andrew) 10 September 2022 09: 16
      +3
      Some serious mistakes have been made at the command level. But in Russia, mistakes are always rewarded, so it's okay for them. In the captured villages, people are now dying with terrible deaths from brutal reprisals, and the commanders will go on promotion later.
  14. Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
    Kapany3 9 September 2022 14: 28
    +2
    Yes, the situation, to put it mildly, is not pleasant, but the question posed by the author in the title did not receive an answer. We know everything he writes about.
  15. special correspondent (oleg) 9 September 2022 14: 45
    +5
    According to media reports, President Putin, personally watching them, smiled and joked with Defense Minister Shoigu.

    - In general, it is clear that this is an attempt to demonstrate that the NWO is just a military operation with regular forces. While Zelensky has been running badly shaven in a military uniform for a month now, Putin demonstrates lightness and calmness in a suit and tie. But, based on the current situation, Putin's behavior is erroneous. It's time to admit that the matter is serious and to mobilize both the country and the ruling circles and oneself.
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 39
      0
      and he mobilized for cover.
  16. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 9 September 2022 15: 19
    -2
    Quote: nike
    Those who were taught by Afghanistan and Chechnya were eaten by "parquet" generals who do not climb out of high offices

    But our army just doesn’t have enough of them. A friend went on a contract to serve in the landing force for a couple of years, so there are only young children of staff officers sitting at the headquarters, what is Chechnya and Afghanistan for them? now they rule there.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 9 September 2022 20: 31
      +1
      30 years have passed since Afghanistan. The officers simply retired. Change of generations. In troubled times, there were almost no exercises.
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 September 2022 17: 10
        +2
        Afghan Chechnya first and second, Georgia, Syria had little time to gain experience
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 9 September 2022 20: 36
      -1
      Quote: Valera75
      ...a friend... ...went to the landing force... ...there are only young children of staff officers sitting at the headquarters

      Kindergarten, nursery group. At the battalion headquarters, did he expect to see gray-haired generals wrinkling their foreheads over the map? As always, all around goats.ly, is he D'Artignan all in white?
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  18. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 9 September 2022 18: 07
    +2
    it is not necessary to consider the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in isolation from the situation with energy in Europe. The West needs a decoupling, it is desperately needed. Dragging out the sluggish conflict is no longer an option for the West.

    The general battle has just begun. The fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine got involved to the fullest, put all their pieces on the board, can only be welcomed. After this battle, the situation will be radically different than before the start of the dill offensive.
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  19. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 9 September 2022 18: 23
    +8
    Without Odessa and Kharkov it will be bad. The people will not forgive the surrender of Russian cities to the rulers. If you think about freezing, then this will lead to the collapse of Russia.
    1. Dust Offline Dust
      Dust (Sergei) 10 September 2022 10: 19
      +1
      This is loudly said to collapse, but to great unrest in the country, even very much. Putin just doesn’t understand, you can’t wage war in a foppish way ... Like “we are the same left”
  20. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 9 September 2022 21: 29
    +4
    The "elite" of the Kremlin has a headache, how to satisfy NATO's wishes, how to go back, as it was before, they are ready to give everything to the NATO and Crimea and the LDNR, just to live in a gold billion and rob Russia. On the other hand, they are afraid that the Russians may not understand and plant the entire "elite" on the pitchfork. There is a Civil War in Western Ukraine led by Kyiv with Eastern Ukraine. NATO countries and its satellites are fighting on the side of Kyiv. It is impossible to win if there is no enemy, there is no war. What claims to the military, if they are not allowed to fight, are not provided. It remains only to discuss military inaction and observe the death of military personnel. Until it smells of fried for the "elite" of the Russian Federation, progress will only be in the form of "gestures of good will", Odessa noise and flirting with NATO members. What to do???
  21. Denis Z Offline Denis Z
    Denis Z (Denis Z) 9 September 2022 22: 56
    +5
    When in three months you cannot completely capture such small, even by the standards of villages, settlements as sands, marinka and novgorod, it becomes obvious that it is unlikely that you will be able to keep even what you managed to capture at first.
  22. Denis Z Offline Denis Z
    Denis Z (Denis Z) 9 September 2022 22: 58
    +2
    And of course we must express regret over the death of our enemy. They send their terrorists to fight us, and instead of rejoicing, we send them condolences. In truth, these people and their plans cannot be understood ..
  23. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 9 September 2022 23: 50
    +6
    Until Putin realizes that they are fighting against us with all seriousness... nothing will change. The war will drag on attrition for years. What the US needs. We had 7 months to fix all the bugs. Including the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper. The destruction of decision-making centers. Destruction of trains carrying equipment and soldiers. We just “overslept” everything. Why was it all to start if there is no Will and Purpose!? Only people are substituted who believed in the Russian Federation
  24. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 10 September 2022 00: 15
    +5
    More and more tough questions arise for the Supreme. What is going on, some kind of circus ..
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 43
      0
      the supreme trust of the narrow-minded population reached 85%......!
  25. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 10 September 2022 04: 55
    +2
    As a couch strategist, I don’t understand the essence of the Kharkiv-Kyiv direction of operations of the Northern Military District at all. If you look at the map of events impartially, all resource nishtyaks are located in the Donbas and coastal areas. The capture of the Kherson region and Odessa (in the future), LDNR, is economically justified. logistics, oil, gas, coal. An overland corridor to Transnistria. What kind of buzz from the Kyiv and Kharkov territories is not clear to me. in general, it turned out that way, but the pulled forces have not gone away. Here they are. They are advancing exactly where they were pulled. thereby completely cutting off 404 from the sea. And this will completely reformat the local geostrategic landscape. Half of the Black Sea will be the internal waters of Russia and NATO coastal fleets th limerophs will become extremely uncomfortable, and aviation flights will end.
  26. Aleks33 Offline Aleks33
    Aleks33 (Alex33) 10 September 2022 06: 35
    +2
    And if not for the grain deal, then the purchase of the latest weapons would not have taken place. There was a stream of modern weapons as much as six months ahead, according to some reports. Western colleagues have circled us around their fingers, like children. Complete confiscation of grain, or at least link this deal with the withdrawal of the United States from the Syrian oil fields.
  27. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 10 September 2022 07: 59
    +6
    I think there is no need to panic. It is necessary to urgently increase the army to at least 2 million people. Eliminate the service for up to a year. It's just a kindergarten. Increase the service life by two or three years. about 20 million people, and the population is only 30 million. The area of ​​\u1.5b\u26bthe territory is just over 100 sq. km. Compare with our 000 thousand military personnel and our territory. by the nature of the hostilities. And the hidden increase in this contingent will increase. NATO has already realized that there is no red line. We have come to NATO’s open aggression against us. , somehow it begins to strain our population .. We must remember that the number of military personnel and weapons somehow makes the aggressor, the United States, our main partner, think.
    1. Gufych Offline Gufych
      Gufych (George) 11 September 2022 20: 49
      +1
      As long as I am the president, we will not raise the retirement age !!!!!!!!

      Russians do not abandon their !!!!!!!!!!!

      Do you all believe in our President?
      1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
        Grei grin (Gray Grin) 12 September 2022 16: 51
        +1
        he is not our president, he is the president of the hucksters!
  28. Kon1916 Offline Kon1916
    Kon1916 (Harry) 10 September 2022 08: 27
    0
    Do NATO officers have experience in large military operations?
  29. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 10 September 2022 08: 58
    +2
    Quote: shinobi
    There is an idea, if I’m right of course, that the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be drawn in, after which a blow will follow along the seashore to Odessa and further to Transnistria, thereby completely cutting off 404th from the sea. And this will completely reformat the local geostrategic landscape. Half of the Black Sea will be Russia’s internal waters and the NATO fleets of coastal limerophs will become extremely uncomfortable, and aviation flights will end.

    I really hope that this is a cunning GDP plan. Otherwise, it will turn out that we are simply being bred: we are forced to transfer reserves (probably the forces of a newly formed and run-in army of volunteers) to the Kharkov direction. The West is fighting for Odessa. And we? I do not understand. Access to Transnistria will allow at least somehow control of the Europe-Ukraine border.
  30. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 10 September 2022 09: 01
    +7
    Strelkov said in April that the number of troops was small ... Who listened and listens?
  31. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 10 September 2022 09: 12
    -2
    in general, it is clear that it is stupid to conduct exercises in the east during the NWO, that it is necessary to strengthen the grouping of the NWO, ...... but the article of the all-weaker, so far, has been a local success, but it is stopped, and the zaluzhny turned out to be in the pose of a Napoleon, because he let him in the move is his last reserve, and it seems that the most motivated Western units are put into the meat grinder, the Ukrofascists did not have enough patience, the attackers in any case suffer losses many times greater than the defenders, the concentration of troops is a fascist mistake, they can be destroyed more efficiently than rare patrols in the bushes .... and who will now defend Lutsk, lions, and Odessa, if the main parts are thrown into the breakthrough and destroyed .... let's see
  32. Kulikov Victor Offline Kulikov Victor
    Kulikov Victor (Victor) 10 September 2022 10: 15
    +5
    In our opinion, we are talking about a banal betrayal by the "systemic liberals" in the highest echelons of power, who are doing their best to prepare Russia for capitulation and subsequent dismemberment. This is evidenced by the following facts: lately only the lazy have not spoken about the attack on Izyum, numerous facts of the concentration of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction came from the field, but for some strange reasons, the defense here was held mainly by the National Guard and those mobilized from Donetsk and Lugansk. Secondly, the reserves began to appear at the front only a day after the start of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and, for example, near Kherson, the reserves entered the battle a few hours after the start of the fighting. Representatives of the "systemic opposition" who committed their betrayal at the talks in Istanbul, when the troops were withdrawn from Kyiv and from the Chernihiv and Sumy regions, here actually "slowed down" the timely supply of reserves to the front line. Now, of course, emergency measures are being taken to transfer troops by helicopters, but this has already put our troops in an extremely difficult position - the encirclement of our entire grouping of troops in the Izyum region looms on the horizon.
    Thirdly, even in these critical conditions, Russia continues to wage a "strange war": railway trains deliver ammunition, fuel and lubricants and armored units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost to the front line without hindrance. For example, in Nikolaev, almost under the noses of our troops, a plant for the repair of armored vehicles is still functioning. The Ministry of Defense does not comment on the current situation.
    Fighting the united Western "devil" with "witches" in the Central Bank, "demons" in the Ministry of Finance and, as it turns out now, traitors in the Ministry of Defense, is basically impossible. Without a cleansing of the "fifth column" in the highest echelons of power, however regrettable it may sound, the tragedy of Russia is inevitable.
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 September 2022 09: 49
      0
      sorry, are you out of your mind or what, is it really the fifth column that will begin to clean up itself, most likely it will begin to clean up all those who disagree after the twentieth GDP ......
  33. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 10 September 2022 10: 33
    +2
    Another thing is surprising, with what ease and speed, there was a transfer of Ukrainian troops from the south (Odessa, Nikolaev ...) to Kharkov.
  34. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
    lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 10 September 2022 12: 58
    0
    Quote: Watching
    Or is it really a bet on the use of nuclear weapons?

    Yes, well, again we are talking about multi-move? This is not a way out, nuclear weapons and other countries have.
  35. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 10 September 2022 14: 28
    +2
    Our Supreme has played out. Everything is "according to plan" and in white gloves. But how many warned, how many people, incl. many experts, resented a certain
    strange humanity towards Nazi Ukraine during the so-called. SVO..
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  37. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 10 September 2022 18: 14
    +2
    As Lyusya arrestovich said, Stalin in Ukraine had 4 fronts and 2,5 million soldiers, while the Russian Federation had only 170 thousand on the entire front from Kyiv to Kherson. In addition, the entire rear infrastructure of Ukraine (transport communications, industrial facilities, decision-making centers, etc.) is safe and sound, and in our rear in the occupied territories there are a lot of Ukrainian partisans who monitor all the movements of troops. Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can strike anywhere and at any time, provided that surprise is maintained, and the Russian Federation can only react in an emergency order by transferring "fire brigades" to stop tactical breakthroughs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. Sergey Aseev Offline Sergey Aseev
      Sergey Aseev (Sergey Aseev) 10 September 2022 20: 49
      +1
      Everything is like in the forties of the last century. Only the characters are different.
  38. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 10 September 2022 19: 15
    0
    Quote: k7k8
    Kindergarten, nursery group. At the battalion headquarters, did he expect to see gray-haired generals wrinkling their foreheads over the map? As always, all around goats.ly, is he D'Artignan all in white?

    No, he is far from D "Artagnan, but what are you telling me now, in contrast to what is happening now? Just don’t jump off, but answer, be kind. in reality, but you still try to hit me in the stomach because you think that you have already struck a blow in the forehead)))
    PS: my friend went through the Chechen campaign and knows and understands everything firsthand.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 10 September 2022 20: 12
      +1
      Did you yourself see what your friend said? So far, all you've said is a "one boy" story. I saw the army kitchen from the inside (although I didn’t fight, but more than 10 years of combat duty are also talking about something). So, there are no gray-haired colonels in the headquarters of the battalions. In general, there is practically only a name from the headquarters - the chief and a couple of officers. Therefore, the cards are painted by snotty lieutenants, whom the company commanders give into slavery so as not to deal with this muddle themselves.
  39. Sergey Aseev Offline Sergey Aseev
    Sergey Aseev (Sergey Aseev) 10 September 2022 20: 47
    0
    Thank God everything is going well...
  40. Alexander Schesterikow (Alexander ) 11 September 2022 09: 54
    +1
    In white gloves they dance at balls, but do not fight.
  41. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 11 September 2022 12: 43
    0
    In my opinion, NATO battalions began to fight against us under the cover of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I think our leadership knows but is silent.
  42. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 11 September 2022 21: 37
    +2
    An urgent all-Russian mobilization of all forces and resources is needed. The resignation of all our strategists at all levels, from among those who do not understand this urgent need, could go to the benefit of the cause. The new Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff, the new commanders of the troops could start everything in Ukraine anew, professionally, without creating situations that put an end to what has been achieved.
  43. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 12 September 2022 13: 14
    +1
    Yes, everyone has long been interested in the strange immunity of "Ukrozheleznitsa" and bridges behind enemy lines. It seems that we have powerful forces in the corridors of power, to which these bridges and railway lines bring something to the gesheft. And where the gesheft and trade with the enemy warm their hands.
  44. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 12 September 2022 13: 23
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: Anadyrean
    Gerasimov and his team - burst.

    But is the General Staff involved in all these failures, or is the RF Armed Forces driven by the Kremlin into a rigid framework of "political and economic expediency" within which they are forced to act, even contrary to logic?

    I agree with you. It is impossible to fight when you are constantly being told not to dare to offend the interests and gesheft of "respectable people", they say, do not even dare to think of striking at objects where these people have a gesheft.
  45. Stalnov I.P. Offline Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. (Stalnov Ivan Petrovich) 12 September 2022 15: 29
    0
    Everything that happened was stupid and mediocre. That in the economy, in politics, and now in military affairs. And we haven't started yet. And it would be necessary, they blew it, about the same as $ 300 billion.
  46. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 12 September 2022 16: 50
    0
    The Kremlin’s game of war games and peacekeeping against the Ukrainian monsters in Ukraine continued in parallel with the game of war games “Vostok 2022”, with a mass of equipment and personnel that were needed near Balakleya, Izyum and other settlements, which were taken by the blood of our soldiers, many of whom are no longer there and of course the civilian population!
  47. wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 12 September 2022 21: 24
    0
    The few garrisons in the settlements were represented by fighters of the National Guard, for whom field battles are not their main activity.

    I wonder where our personnel contract army is fighting? If near Kharkov guardsmen with mobilized from Lugansk and Dombas. Near Donetsk, Cossacks with the people's militia of the DPR, Kadyrovtsy, etc. Under Kherson only it turns out?
  48. wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 12 September 2022 22: 26
    0
    In view of the obvious shortage of available forces, the Russian General Staff concentrated its reserves to stop a possible offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in priority, at first glance, directions.

    If the command does not know where the equipment and manpower of the enemy is concentrated, then this is a bad command, it has poor intelligence, it is deaf and blind and forced to act at random. Why the Bandera people know about every movement of our troops and all our offensives and attacks are not a surprise to them. They keep the defense well, competently build fortified areas, create several lines of this defense, which often become an insurmountable obstacle for us. The Nazis cut our defenses easily and without much effort. It was as if she didn't exist at all. And where were our reserves, if at all? Why couldn't they stop the breakthrough, didn't hit the enemy's flanks.? Where are our tank corps and brigades, where is our aviation, where is our army in general, and what is it doing? In Eastern teachings? This disgraceful failure will haunt us yet. Our numerous enemies will draw and some have already drawn conclusions about the combat effectiveness of our army and navy. And just like the Germans, after the Finnish war they will want to attack us. The weak are always beaten. The President must draw conclusions about the real state of affairs in our army and immediately take the necessary measures. You can't lower and disgrace the country like that. At the head of the army should be a professional military man, and not a former MChSovets who does not understand anything in military affairs. Why Putin appointed him so that he would only say pleasant things to him. How great we are holding tank biathlons, exercises, that the army has 72% of new equipment, etc. But Russia needs not empty words, praise, PR actions, but real deeds. And boots should always be made by a shoemaker and everyone should sit "in his sleigh" and be responsible for his deeds.