By delaying the NWO, Russia raises the final price to be paid


Everything goes to the fact that the Special military operation, launched a little more than six months ago, will cost Russia much more than was probably previously expected.


Western countries began by helping Ukraine with the supply of ATGMs, MANPADS, and artillery shells. Then they switched to the transfer of self-propelled and towed artillery, combat aircraft and helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles of various types.

The next stage is the supply of short and medium-range anti-aircraft systems, land-based mobile anti-ship missiles in the interests of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The former will inevitably become a problem for our aviation, especially if they are not transferred to Kyiv in a single quantity. The now popular cabriolet will no longer allow you to get away from medium-range missiles, and the effectiveness of the use of Caliber missiles will decrease, because complexes will appear to destroy them.

The latter will actually put an end to the plans to land troops on the Odessa coast (although, it is obvious that these plans have already been abandoned). Moreover, if the Americans supply Kyiv with Harpoons in the A / U / RGM-84D2 modification, then the missiles will reach the Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol (with a launch site in Ochakovo) without any problems. There is also a version for hitting ground targets - AGM-84E SLAM.

Obviously, in a certain scenario, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can also receive MGM-140 ATACMS tactical missiles with a range of up to 300 km, which will endanger almost all military facilities on the territory of Crimea (which the West considers part of Ukraine and, therefore, it can be attacked from similar weapons).

Along with this, the experience of using the HIMARS MLRS completely satisfied NATO, which means that we should expect new deliveries of such systems in the interests of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Systems are really dangerous due to their accuracy. Strikes on bridges, when one span was hit with one package, only confirm this fact.

In the event of a significant delay in the conflict, it is quite likely that Abrams tanks will appear in Ukraine (of which there are a great many in storage in the United States), Patriot anti-aircraft systems (it can already be assumed that Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners who have lost their S-300s are being trained to control Western ZRS), as well as combat aviation (F-15, F-16, A-10).

The capabilities of Ukraine in manpower are more than sufficient, and the issue of transferring recruits from the category of “caught on the street and sent to the front” to the category of “contract servicemen” rests only on the question of money, which the West will not spare. Many Ukrainians, even those who left after the start of the SVO, will want to serve their homeland for 4-5 thousand dollars a month (about the same amount Russian volunteers now receive).

By dragging out the conflict, Russia raises the final price to be paid. Obviously, it will be difficult to deal with the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the forces of 100-120 BTG. The only way out will be the re-qualification of the SVO into a "people's war", which will involve the involvement of both reservists and conscripts. Of course, the method of warfare itself will not remain unchanged.
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  1. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 7 September 2022 19: 33
    +5
    Everything goes to the fact that the Special military operation, launched a little more than six months ago, will cost Russia much more than was probably previously expected.

    An obvious conclusion with which it is difficult to argue.

    the effectiveness of the use of Caliber missiles will decrease, because complexes will appear to defeat them

    Undoubtedly; especially since they are already quite partially amazed at themselves.
    1. Sergey Kuzmin Offline Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin (Sergei) 8 September 2022 08: 41
      +4
      An obvious conclusion that is hard to argue with

      therefore, I. Strelkov is right, who initially said that it is necessary to build up the forces participating in the NWO in order to successfully implement the stated tasks: demilitarization and denazification.
  2. Victor 17 Offline Victor 17
    Victor 17 7 September 2022 19: 41
    +10
    Yes, the current situation fully satisfies the countries of the West and Ukraine, which means that it is urgent to change the balance in our favor, the longer the war, the more dead. Isn't it time for political leadership to start before it's too late?
    1. zloybond Offline zloybond
      zloybond (steppenwolf) 8 September 2022 07: 58
      -2
      The faster the seizure of territory, the more powerful the guerrillas and terrorism. Gradual advancement makes it possible to clear the rear more effectively. A leap forward will give a big problem in the rear.
      1. Sergey Kuzmin Offline Sergey Kuzmin
        Sergey Kuzmin (Sergei) 8 September 2022 08: 45
        +3
        A leap forward will give a big problem in the rear.

        A fast and POWERFUL dash forward will make it possible to destroy a greater number of the enemy in unfortified positions. Bypass and block the Ukronazis who have settled in the fortified areas. Cut transport communications and deprive the enemy of the ability to control troops.
  3. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 7 September 2022 19: 42
    -1
    it means that the longer the SVO will be, the fewer potential recruits will remain among the Urkaintsy ... there will be no more granddaughters of Shukhevych, no more mazeps .... they will remain sunbathing in forest plantations. laughing
    1. Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
      Hayer31 (Kashchei) 7 September 2022 22: 36
      -1
      According to your logic, only Ukrainians die in the war?
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 8 September 2022 06: 59
        +2
        According to my logic, it's time to finally finish with this viper, but according to your USSR, it should have raised its hands in the Second World War and surrendered. the losses were great. Russia fought with Persia (Iran) not in order to open its mouth now. you gave the country like the Ukrainians.

        Here the birds do not sing, the trees do not grow.
        And only we, shoulder to shoulder, grow into the ground here.
        The planet is burning and spinning, smoke is rising over our Motherland.
        And that means we need one victory,
        One for all - we will not stand for the price.
        One for all - we will not stand for the price.
        1. Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
          Hayer31 (Kashchei) 8 September 2022 09: 46
          -5
          You are right, you need a victory, but your "Wishlist" does not coincide with those who make decisions. Did you hear what Peskov said?? What did you say about the donated country, you were also left a Superpower, and now you can’t even produce a simple Nail, so it’s better to be silent.
  4. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 7 September 2022 20: 01
    -1
    There is such a joke.

    Scientists decided to compare the intelligence of humans and chimpanzees.
    They were placed in one cage, in which an apple tree grew with apples at the very top.
    All sorts of "tools" were laid out.
    As a representative of the species "homo sapiens" they took the first one who was at hand - the ensign.
    The monkey quickly grabbed a stick and knocked down the apple.
    It was the lieutenant's turn.
    He grabbed the apple tree with his hands and began to shake it.
    Scientists felt ashamed of the human race, and they began to tell him: think!!!
    Ensign: why think - you need to shake harder

    Maybe there really is a stick somewhere nearby?
    My experience, taken out of service in the Strategic Missile Forces, tells me that that stick is called a heavy two-stage liquid ampouled intercontinental ballistic missile 15A14. There is already a new wand, nicknamed "Sarmat".
    Yes, and there are no apples on this apple tree, and never have been. There is another, but much taller and thicker
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 7 September 2022 20: 11
      0
      in a joke, they modestly kept silent that Ukrainian ensigns were distinguished by "intelligence" ...
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      2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 7 September 2022 20: 51
        -2
        During my couple of decades in the army, I was convinced that the best ensigns (including in intellectual terms) were Belarusians and Ukrainians.
        1. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 8 September 2022 07: 04
          -1
          Naturally, you were convinced of this ... you yourself are from this tribe ... you were on the same intellectual wave with them. The more stew the Urkan ensign stole, the smarter he is?
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 8 September 2022 12: 36
            0
            You have not yet seen how in the glorious 90s Russian ensigns stole a solarium with fuel trucks, and alcohol with barrels, you are our nationally gifted.
            Z.Y. How predictable are you, nationally preoccupied!
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 7 September 2022 20: 49
      -1
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      My experience, taken out of service in the Strategic Missile Forces, tells me that that stick is called a heavy two-stage liquid ampouled intercontinental ballistic missile 15A14

      In this case, it’s a shame not to know that 15a14 (as well as 15a18, 15a18m and the like) have a minimum range of 2500 km and there are no non-special warheads for them.
      In general, people who grew up after the SALT treaties developed a vile habit. They have ceased to perceive nuclear weapons as a deterrent. They firmly believe that nuclear weapons can be used at every urge of the country's leadership to the toilet, and its use will not affect the country that used it in any way.
      Judging by your post, you were not a professional rocket launcher, which means that bad commanders didn’t get it into your head that there can be no winners in a nuclear war. And that the first to use nuclear weapons automatically becomes the loser of the war.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 7 September 2022 22: 03
        +1
        No need to attribute your own limitations to others.

        In this case, it’s a shame not to know that 15a14 (as well as 15a18, 15a18m and the like) have a minimum range of 2500 km and there are no non-special warheads for them.

        And why do you think that we are talking about limiting the range or power? Or are you just pretending to be stupid? Don't you understand that we are talking about forcing the master of this war, the States, to retreat by this threat? Or are you "from there"?

        In general, people who grew up after the SALT treaties developed a vile habit. They stopped seeing nuclear weapons as a deterrent

        In order for it to be this factor, the threat to them must be REAL.
        What would the USSR have achieved in 1962 if it had not fired a warning shot with a nuclear weapon, and was not ready to really start a nuclear war against the States?
        His story would have ended with a decapitating strike from Turkey, Italy and Great Britain, which opened the way for the main US nuclear forces.

        They firmly believe that nuclear weapons can be used at every urge of the country's leadership to the toilet, and its use will not affect the country that used it in any way.

        Who are you telling this?

        Judging by your post, you were not a professional rocket launcher, which means that bad commanders didn’t get it into your head that there can be no winners in a nuclear war.

        Professional rocket men are part of a mechanism that must work reliably at the command of those who implement the decision to launch. Please leave stupid populist slogans for your own use.

        And that the first to use nuclear weapons automatically becomes the loser of the war.

        You seem to really be "from there". Despite your calculations and plans, you are afraid of him. And you're doing it right
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 8 September 2022 08: 26
          0
          Quote: 12 chairs
          And then Ostap suffered!
    3. silver169 Offline silver169
      silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 8 September 2022 09: 37
      +3
      Alexey Bavydov Are the Kremlin ensigns capable of thinking? Judging by how they prepared for a special operation with a thought process in 8 years, they have big problems ..
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 September 2022 13: 25
        +1
        If this is nonsense, then not Putin. Judging by the results of his activities, I think that he himself is in a different system of coordinates and priorities
  5. Lev Rudey Offline Lev Rudey
    Lev Rudey (Lev Rudey) 7 September 2022 20: 05
    +1
    In short, the ENTIRE Arbat Military District is needed - like in 1937.
  6. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 7 September 2022 21: 14
    +1
    For some reason, even enemies see more clearly than some strategists in high offices.
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      1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 7 September 2022 22: 56
        0
        And why a nuclear strike on Kyiv can lead to a general nuclear war? Who wants to take risks for Ukraine? Explain! Just a nuclear explosion can be made in the stratosphere with the aim of an electromagnetic strike on the electrical appliances of Kyiv. The population will remain intact, perhaps the glass will only crack.
        1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 8 September 2022 08: 56
          -1
          What does Kyiv have to do with it, decision-making centers are not in Kyiv, Washington and London, that’s what must be destroyed first of all, and all objects in Kyiv can still be destroyed by operational tactical missiles without using nuclear weapons, but this requires a strong-willed decision, chewing snot here is simply inappropriate and unacceptable.
        2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) 8 September 2022 09: 12
          +1
          And why a nuclear strike on Kyiv can lead to a general nuclear war?

          A nuclear strike is more likely to inflict Kyiv, when it nevertheless blows up the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. Here, before the elections in the United States, they can blow up nuclear power plants on Biden's orders. Radiation will not reach Zelensky in Lviv. It is not clear what Russia expects from these attacks? Until a nuclear explosion breaks out at a nuclear power plant or does radioactive contamination go to the next 500 km in a radius?
          And then there will be concern?
          Or maybe it’s better to start a counter-terrorist operation after such shelling and extinguish all those who shell the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant?
          1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
            Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 8 September 2022 10: 20
            0
            500 km of infection is if a reactor is destroyed with a serious missile, which can not be hit by 155 mm shells and hymers. The destruction of storage tanks for spent nuclear fuel is real. In this case, local contamination with radiation is possible. All the same, Russia can classify it as a nuclear attack.
      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 September 2022 08: 41
        0
        Interesting thing.
        I have read several of Roberts' articles and they have one thing in common. He does not understand the logic of Putin's actions at all. Cannot even offer an adequate model, or only pretends. It all boils down to Putin's personal naivete, which sounds extremely unconvincing against the background of fully disclosed mistakes. And this is despite the fact that he himself is an experienced participant in the development of special operations against the USSR.
        The second feature is Putin's complete loneliness in his decision-making. No security councils or groups of influencers.
        There is a strong feeling that he does not finish something.
        Half-truth. As an American, perhaps he is only voicing the half of his thoughts that, in his opinion, cannot harm his America, its plans and proposed operations.
  7. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 7 September 2022 21: 18
    +8
    It's time to take off the white gloves and start putting out the Ukronazis like an adult. And-why the Russian leadership has not yet declared Ukraine a terrorist country, with all the harsh consequences??
  8. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 7 September 2022 21: 38
    0
    Along with this, the experience of using the HIMARS MLRS completely satisfied NATO

    The lobbyists of the company-manufacturer of the MLRS HIMARS, who pushed the supply of their installations to Ukraine in Congress, have already regretted their rash step three times. The desire to make easy money in the war against Russia at the hands of the Ukrainians got sideways to the American arms giant, pushing the company to bankruptcy. At a minimum, the branch involved in the development and production of MLRS has already suffered serious losses.

    The fact is that the Chimeras, advertised by Ukrainian propagandists, turned out to be not so super-efficient. Shares of Lockheed Martin, which produces the aforementioned MLRS, sank noticeably when, after a couple of weeks of active use of HIMARS in Ukraine, it turned out that Russian air defense systems do an excellent job of intercepting missiles. After the Russian military destroyed four American installations, Lockheed shares completely collapsed. Instead of demonstration performances in the field and a crowd of interested buyers, the American weapons giant received powerful anti-advertising, which is now being watched by the whole world.

    https://riafan.ru
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 7 September 2022 22: 39
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      The lobbyists of the HIMARS MLRS manufacturer, who pushed through the congress for the supply of their installations to Ukraine, have already regretted their rash step three times

      Did the chairman of the board of directors personally tell you (or the director of RIA FAN) in LM? The question is not idle, because The source of the information you cited is not indicated. Yes, and the news there is far from the first freshness.
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 8 September 2022 09: 09
      -1
      This is just ridiculous nonsense, let's finally leave all these hatred moods, we need to start fighting at full strength, we need to admit that this is a full-fledged war and treat it accordingly, it's time to finally take off the rose-colored glasses and white gloves and start acting before it's too late in full force, without any grounds holding back our army.
  9. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 7 September 2022 22: 14
    +4
    Russia needed a blitzkrieg, thought out and with clear boundaries, which had to be reached within a specific time frame. Nothing like this has ever been developed. Traditional Russian calculation at random (
    1. Dimitry Arsenev Offline Dimitry Arsenev
      Dimitry Arsenev (Dimitry Arsenev) 7 September 2022 22: 33
      +5
      Attack on Washington? Kyiv is not legally the capital of Ukraine. According to the adopted laws, any city can be the capital of Ukraine, even Lviv, even Warsaw, even Washington. There is only one option - as in Syria with terrorists - to iron and iron with bombs, and it works.
      1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 7 September 2022 22: 58
        +2
        The problem is in the air defense of Ukraine, which really works. It is well known that our SUs do not fly deep into Ukraine.
      2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 8 September 2022 09: 13
        -1
        We must finally put aside all the factors holding back our army, where are the carpet bombings, where are the massive strikes, they are not yet visible.
  10. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 7 September 2022 22: 22
    +5
    Anonymous article...
    Shoigu said that everything is going according to plan.
    Putin - we have not started yet ....

    So, "Delaying the CBO", "final price", "fee" - everything is included in the plan.
    You can’t trust anyone (Müller), but you can trust the plans and promises of the Kremlin.)))))
    1. Dimitry Arsenev Offline Dimitry Arsenev
      Dimitry Arsenev (Dimitry Arsenev) 7 September 2022 22: 35
      0
      The Latvian is all about sprats.
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  11. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 7 September 2022 23: 46
    -1
    Fedorov says the same.
  12. Ten canarias Offline Ten canarias
    Ten canarias (Ten Canarias) 8 September 2022 00: 39
    -1
    Alas, a complete disappointment ... Who would have thought on February 24 that everything would turn out like this. Just a shame...
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  14. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 8 September 2022 06: 23
    +4
    The policy of our leadership is striking. Without Odessa and Kharkov, the people will not forgive human losses and deceived expectations. It is necessary to introduce an additional 150-200 thousand fighters, and not chew snot and say that everything is going according to plan.
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 8 September 2022 07: 33
      +1
      Yes, Russia can easily mobilize a million fighters. But will it bring at least a minimal benefit? For the current war, you can just as well mobilize a million pupils of kindergartens. Note that although Ukraine has mobilized, it is not yet in a hurry to send mobilized to the front, but is training them in handling modern equipment and combat coordination (including in foreign camps). The problem is not at all in the number of personnel, but in their quality and the quality of weapons. As for modern weapons, Ukraine has an almost limitless resource.
    2. Sergey Nikolaevich_2 (Sergey Nikolaevich) 8 September 2022 17: 55
      0
      When you know that Putin has been waiting for something for 8 years, you understand clearly why the current situation on the Ukrainian front has developed.
  15. GIS Online GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 8 September 2022 07: 42
    -3
    how did you already get all the propellers ....
    Yes, I agree with the theme that the price is going up. and yes you spelled it right

    By prolonging the conflict, Russia raises the final price to be paid

    But the conclusion is wrong. the impudent Saxons will have to pay. and soon we will all be convinced of this.
    1. andrey ivanov_2 (Andrey Ivanov) 8 September 2022 08: 09
      -1
      There is a joke about cheerful rickets, you know?. It would be nice to understand Russia first. And with the financiers and with the local liberota. And about Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and further traps - there is only one answer - FORGET. Nobody promised this. God forbid to go to the border of the Donetsk region ......
  16. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 8 September 2022 08: 24
    +2
    The only way out will be the re-qualification of the SVO into a "people's war", which will involve the involvement of both reservists and conscripts.

    Thinking people have been trumpeting this for a long time
  17. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 8 September 2022 08: 29
    +1
    Quote: GIS
    how did you already get all the propellers ....
    Yes, I agree with the theme that the price is going up. and yes you spelled it right

    By prolonging the conflict, Russia raises the final price to be paid

    But the conclusion is wrong. the impudent Saxons will have to pay. and soon we will all be convinced of this.

    Oh, the hat thrower got out, who, with 150 thousand soldiers, was going to defeat the 30 millionth country, which is supported by all of Europe and the USA.
    We don’t even have trite quadrocopters, people themselves buy military radio communications, thermal imagers, quadrocopters. What victory are you talking about?
    1. GIS Online GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 8 September 2022 13: 11
      -2
      ))) And who have I thrown already?

      defeat a country of 30 million supported by all of Europe and the USA

      Yes, the West supports, so what? and how is he, did he print a lot of paper support? and they still have a lot in warehouses to support Ukraine?
      and yes, who said that it is necessary to DESTROY THE COUNTRY, and not to destroy it entirely? I haven't heard of such a thing.

      We don’t even have trite quadrocopters

      I won’t say anything about the quadro, but the Kalashnikov concern didn’t seem to stop releasing drones. Or is that not it again?

      What victory are you talking about?

      wait and see.
      but at the expense of the fee, so they are already paying, or did you not understand this?
  18. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 8 September 2022 09: 52
    -3
    The Kremlin is in a stupor from an unforeseen situation. Things are moving towards a truce and, in fact, towards a loss with the tactics of saving the Ukrainian people. Although the saved go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and stand to the death and attack no matter what. The benefits are already largely lost. There are no effective means of destroying air defense, etc.
  19. Kon1916 Offline Kon1916
    Kon1916 (Harry) 8 September 2022 11: 42
    -2
    It is strange that this was not clear in advance.
  20. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 8 September 2022 12: 33
    -2
    Quote: andrey ivanov_2
    There is a joke about cheerful rickets, you know?. It would be nice to understand Russia first. And with the financiers and with the local liberota. And about Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and further traps - there is only one answer - FORGET. Nobody promised this. God forbid to go to the border of the Donetsk region ......

    You, unfortunately, are right, by the way, now they don’t even talk much about access to the western borders of the outskirts on all sorts of televisions, it’s all gradually blurred
  21. Rust1981 Offline Rust1981
    Rust1981 (Rustam) 8 September 2022 13: 01
    +3
    It's hard not to agree. Only until the report is collected, until it is put on one table, then it will be transferred to another, until this information reaches the main table. The main thing along the way is not to play a broken phone without losing the essence. Also, our officials are afraid to report bad things, they can embellish the reports. And the generals are now more officials than military generals.
    In Ryazan, the forest was burning, and they didn’t attract large forces, they thought they could handle it themselves, as a result, the smoke in the region and in neighboring ones, even reached Moscow. And stew longer. This is an example of bureaucratic idiocy.
    Now think, the decision must be made today, September 8, for example. But when will something change? Here we'll see. That is if it changes.
  22. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 8 September 2022 13: 35
    +1
    Money can be printed. Will they be able to revive the dead?
  23. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 8 September 2022 14: 18
    +3
    You still don't understand what has changed. Priorities have changed! Previously, the life of a soldier was set to ZERO, now it must be protected. Let this war last for at least decades, but it is important to drive the syphilitic apricots away from the ZNPP and Donetsk for 400 km.
  24. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 8 September 2022 14: 43
    0
    It looks like Russia lost this war. At first there was a chance to do everything quickly, but now it's a complete swamp. It is completely, completely incomprehensible why they climbed there then. NATO in Ukraine? Will be. Sweden and Finland do. Why bother if you don't want to hit?
  25. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 8 September 2022 15: 07
    +1
    Everything is said correctly. However, a radical change in strategy and tactics means admitting that they screwed up badly in the calculations, starting the operation.
    Therefore, now all hopes are for the battalions of volunteers that are completing the formation and for the very 3rd Army Corps, about which there were so many screams in the media.
    But when these formations do not turn out to be a panacea, then they will sing about mobilization. That's just as long as SOMEONE is fighting somewhere, this is one thing, but when the son-husband-father receives a summons to war, it will be completely different.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 September 2022 21: 10
      0
      And when the country in this meat grinder launched by the United States loses the most capable and active - those who it needs here to overcome the consequences of 30 years of degradation and stagnation, correct mistakes, restore and transition to full development - this will be the third
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  27. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 8 September 2022 17: 46
    +2
    The price, apparently, will be considerable, for Russia, for Western countries, and for Ukraine .. The question is, what acquisitions will be for this price. Whoever wins in this confrontation will pay back the considerable price paid. Accordingly, whoever loses this confrontation will pay a high price for their losses. Therefore, we wish our guys and all of us a dinner over the Bandera regime and over the West.
  28. Sergey Nikolaevich_2 (Sergey Nikolaevich) 8 September 2022 17: 46
    -2
    It seems that the Kremlin underestimated the desire and ability of the West to help Ukraine. And here is the result not of a war, but of some abstract NWO. Half strength, half bumps, bang-bang, somehow! Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov, hey, wake up!
  29. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 8 September 2022 19: 26
    -1
    Quote: Sergey Nikolaevich_2
    It seems that the Kremlin underestimated the desire and ability of the West to help Ukraine. And here is the result not of a war, but of some abstract NWO. Half strength, half bumps, bang-bang, somehow! Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov, hey, wake up!

    Or maybe there are simply no forces and means for a full-scale war?
    Only the lazy did not speak about the shortage of personnel.
    With technological equipment (UAVs, calibers, satellites), complete seams.
    VKS are actually pressed to the ground, taking off in the most extreme cases.

    As for the "mobilization witnesses sect", the average manager from Moscow will prefer to pick up a cobblestone and go to the Kremlin if he sends a machine gun to Ukraine. And he will be right in his own way. For neither specific goals nor reasons were voiced.

    There is, of course, the "fight against NATO and fascism" - well, in the Baltic states 10-20 years ago there were torchlight processions and NATO bases and the oppression of Russian-speaking "non-citizens".
    So what?!!!
    Something that did not prevent us or our "elites" from trading and obtaining Estonian residence permits.
  30. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 8 September 2022 19: 43
    -3
    Yes, unless before the operation ... He has forums one after another ... And another 20 on the nose ... Not before the NWO ...
  31. Grancer81 Offline Grancer81
    Grancer81 (Grencer81) 9 September 2022 20: 19
    -1
    The capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be much lower, if they were at all, if the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation would fight in all seriousness, and the rest of the officials would not play politics ...
    That is, there would be full-scale strikes on the routes of transportation of equipment, weapons, ammunition and fuel and lubricants ... And, first of all, on the Ukrainian railway ....
  32. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 13 September 2022 13: 53
    0
    No panic and no thought that you have to pay us! The people will have to pay for everything. They took off five skins from the people, there are two more skins, with our experience we will take off these two skins, as if they were cute and they won’t utter a word.