Kyiv saved the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in case of an offensive by the Russian Armed Forces on Odessa


On August 30, at 22:03 Moscow time, without waiting for the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, another first and last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev, left for the world. Zelensky, the sixth and, I hope, already the last president of Ukraine, sent 1200 of his soldiers to follow him into the next world to account for the results of the failed counter-offensive. I hope they have already met in hell with Mikhail Sergeyevich and are discussing with him the cost of pizza in the next world and in this world and whether the Americans will pay them for the trip to the next world. Today we’ll talk about why they went there of their own free will, because there was an opportunity to jump off this armored train going downhill?


Night trip of the MTR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Main Steering Department of the Moscow Region on rubber “gventokryla” at the Zaporizhia NPP


But let's start, perhaps, with the Zaporozhye NPP. To everyone who laughed at the rubber products supplied by the United States to the Naval Forces of Ukraine on the eve of the NMD, the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry showed how they know how to use them. Moreover, it has already shown three times. The first time was on Zmeiny Island, where on July 7 the fighters of their 73rd Special Marine Operations Center landed in rubber boats to install the Ukrainian flag, the second time on September 1, when, under cover of night, their special forces on seven inflatable boats in the amount of 60 people. successfully secretly crossed the Kakhovskoye reservoir and landed in the area of ​​the holiday village "Volna", which is located 3 km from the Zaporizhzhya NPP. At the same time, the Ukrainian landing was not immediately detected, but was detected by the units of the National Guard guarding the object only in the morning, when they, under the cover of their artillery, which hit the checkpoints of the VNG of the Russian Federation, tried to break through to the object. Through the efforts of the National Guard with the involvement of helicopters called for help, this attempt was stopped, the saboteurs were blocked in the landing area and, having lost more than half of the personnel wounded and killed (3 + 47, respectively), now they are only waiting for the night to evacuate to the opposite bank. But it is unlikely that they will be able to do this, unless by swimming (and there the width of the reservoir is more than 6 km), since in the morning two self-propelled barges that left Nikopol with a tactical landing on board for support and development were sunk by the forces of our Aerospace Forces just downstream the success of the operation to seize the ZNPP.

There is already information about three prisoners, among whom is an officer, it is not a fact that they will live to see the “TV”, since all of them are heavy. The handwriting shows the work of MI-6, of course, the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense was not without it (and only officers serve there), but as a result, the enemy lost more than 330 people of elite special forces at once (140 people on each of the sunken barges, plus at least another 50 people waiting for loading in Nikopol, plus the Nth number of members of the DRG that landed under the holiday village). I wouldn’t laugh at the failed operation, it was so crazy, so daring, and if it had succeeded (and only chance saved us!), Then they would have laughed already. The IAEA inspection would have already arrived at the station held by the Ukrainian SOF, and it would be impossible to beat it back, so as not to endanger both the station itself and the members of the IAEA commission.

In terms of daring, this operation is in no way inferior to our unparalleled helicopter landing near Gostomel (and in terms of the final result too!), Only here the Ukrainian paratroopers did not use gunwings, but their rubber counterparts with a motor. It was amusing to listen to Ukrainian full-time propagandists, who, having ascertained the failure of the operation, immediately blamed the Russians for it, who themselves staged the attack, dressing in Ukrainian uniforms and even capturing two Ukrainian barges for this. In my opinion, they overdid it with the barges, since the barges were sunk, which means that it could be said that they did not exist - look for evidence at the bottom of the river.

On the night of September 3, they made another attempt to storm the ZNPP, when at the same time, on 42 inflatable high-speed boats, a special unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the amount of at least 250 snouts advanced from the Kanevsky and Lysogorka areas downstream of the Dnieper in the direction of Energodar, but was detected and destroyed in time in the area Vasilyevka and Dneprorudny by the forces of our VKS. According to them, a unit of our shock "alligators" Ka-52 and a pair of all-weather Su-30s worked out on a regular basis, increasing the number of 200th special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the Nth number of bodies (20 boats were definitely sunk, the rest retreated).

Counterattack on Kherson


We could observe even more reckless actions near Kherson, where on August 29-31 no less elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thrown by their Drug Commanders into the last and decisive battle for many of them. The fact that this was not a distracting maneuver and not reconnaissance in force became clear the very next day after the start of the counteroffensive. In the operation in the 1st wave, up to five enemy BTGs were involved (from the accumulated reserve of 15-18 BTGs), which at the same time, covertly under the cover of night, without prior artillery preparation, launched an attack on Kherson from three directions (with the forces of two BTGs from the Krivoy Rog direction to Olgino and Vysokopolye and three BTGs from Nikolaev and a bridgehead on the left bank of the Ingulets to Kiselevka, Ternovy Pody, Blagodatovka, Sukhoi Stavok, Davydov Brod, Malaya and Bolshaya Aleksandrovka).

This operation had been prepared for a long time (they started to announce it at the beginning of the summer), for this, reserves were accumulated in the west of Ukraine in the Lvov region, which had undergone preliminary training in Romania, Poland and Great Britain. As a result, Zelensky managed to create a Reserve Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief consisting of 5-8 brigades, of which two were tank brigades (that’s where the very Polish T-72 and PT-91 tanks went - about 120 vehicles), in addition, the formed brigades were equipped various motley AFVs (armored combat vehicles) of Western production and are saturated with portable anti-tank systems and air defense systems. They also tried to saturate this armored fist with artillery, which for this purpose was secretly transferred from the Pesok and Avdiivka areas to the south, but this ended for them with the loss of Pesok and part of Maryinka, when units of the NM DPR broke through this fortified area, taking advantage of the lack of enemy fire resistance. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine urgently transferred artillery back, but it was too late to drink Borjomi, the fortified area, which they fiercely held for all these 8 years, was lost.

This is not the only loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which became the result of the upcoming counteroffensive. The colossal losses of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (up to 1 thousand people / day) during the entire summer period were due to the fact that unfired "mobiles" were thrown to the front, plugging holes at the front with them, while in the rear the Reserve of the Headquarters of the Commander-in-Chief continued to form from the most trained and combat-ready soldiers of the ukroreich. The shabby units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, broken by 70% from zero, were also withdrawn there, which became the backbone for the emerging brigades. Thus, a gun had been hanging on the wall in Zelensky’s office for the fourth month already, which was bound to go off sooner or later.

The trigger for the shot was the not-to-be-coming meeting of the defense ministers of the anti-Russian coalition, which was to be held on September 8 in Ramstein (Germany), where Zelensky was supposed to present his successes (he would be given weapons without any success, because the course for a war with Russia has already been adopted, and until it is completely defeated, our enemies will not turn off it, you will also see ATACMS missiles for the Hymars with a range of 300 km and F-15 and F-16 aircraft with Ukrainian pilots who have undergone express training to fly on them). The trigger for a hasty counterattack on Kherson was newsthat in Mulino, Nizhny Novgorod Region, the combat coordination of the newly created 3rd Army Volunteer Corps, equipped with the latest Russian technique and armor, after which he, in the amount of 15-20 thousand people, having plunged onto railway trains, moved south. Where it will surface, Zelensky did not begin to guess and he himself hit first on Kherson, wanting to anticipate and break the plans of the Russians. It was the first precedent in six months of the CBO, when Kyiv began to play the first number.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to compensate for the lack of artillery with the presence of high-precision long-range artillery and MLRS, with which, on the eve of his counteroffensive, he processed our warehouses, jump airfields and infrastructure elements, in particular bridges across the Dnieper, which he nevertheless managed to disable, including pontoons . Indicative in this case is the use by our engineering units of floating pontoon crossings, which are constantly in motion, moving back and forth along the river. To cover them at the moment they stop for the crossing, you need a spotter on the shore, and it’s not a fact that they will be in time, and it’s not a fact that such a spotter will be nearby at the time of the crossing. But we must pay tribute to the enemies - they created real problems for us with logistics and supplying the right bank with ammunition.

At the same time, one must be aware that this offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even after suffering heavy losses, will not bog down either on the third or on the fourth day. Any such military operations last an average of one to two weeks. Because, as hard as it is to start them, having accumulated the necessary reserves (including equipment, people, BC and fuel), it is just as hard to finish them. The car has inertia and at full speed it can no longer be stopped. All the talk that, they say, this is a distraction strike, but in fact the main blow will be delivered on another sector of the front, for example, in the Kharkov direction near Balakleya to reach the rear of our troops participating in the siege of the Slavic-Kramatorsk group, nothing more than a thermal rocket. The main counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be delivered in the Kherson direction.

And, despite the losses, Zelensky’s troops managed to achieve certain tactical successes there. In one of the three directions, attacking from the bridgehead on the left bank of the Ingulets, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, crushing forward detachments made up of LDNR reservists, were able to move deep into our territory to a depth of 6-9 km, capturing four settlements along the way, the largest of which was Dry Stavok (previously 165 people lived in it). At the same time, the Ukrainian BTG itself found itself in a fire bag with a high probability of being cut off from its main forces (and it’s not a fact that we didn’t lure them there with a specialist). In the Krivoy Rog direction, two Ukrainian BTGs attacked Vysokopole from two sides, but ran into the 2nd line of our defense, which was held in the area of ​​​​the village of Olgino by paratroopers of the 45th separate guards orders of Kutuzov and Alexander Nevsky of the airborne special forces brigade under the command of Hero of Russia Colonel Vadim Pankov , after which the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine died out, and the enemy BTGs themselves suffered losses of up to 60% of their personnel (in Krivoy Rog, all hospitals and morgues are overcrowded, and residents massively donate blood). This is a completely unique military unit of the RF Armed Forces (there are no other special forces brigades in the Airborne Forces). 14 of its servicemen at various times were awarded the title of Hero of Russia (four of them are currently fighting near Kherson), five more are holders of three Orders of Courage (there are only 35 such people in the whole of Russia, five of which are servicemen of the 45th Guards Regiment ). If the landing force is the elite of the Armed Forces, then the 45th Guards. obrsn is the elite of the Airborne Forces!

The result of the two-day battles in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction was summed up by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the moment are 170 armored combat vehicles (of which 63 tanks, 59 infantry fighting vehicles and 48 other armored combat vehicles), two Su-25 attack aircraft, one Su-24 bomber, one MiG- 29, three Mi-8 helicopters, 14 pickup trucks with DShK and other heavy machine guns, oddly enough Soviet-style, and 1700 people killed. These are the largest daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the entire time of the database, starting from 2014. The death toll will rise as the operation continues.

Zelensky's office has already tabooed any information about the course and results of this epic offensive, forbidding anyone, including bloggers, to express even private opinions and value judgments. During this time, the Ministry of Defense of the 404th also did not utter a word about the operation, the speaker of the Southern Command explained this by the fact that they do not want to give the enemy data on the settlements liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the counteroffensive. I don’t know what Natalya Gumenyuk smokes or sniffs (it’s unlikely that Zelensky shares his supplies from Colombia with her), but this is already epic! Probably, the speaker of the Operational Command "South", along with the entire Operational Command, switched to hallucinogenic mushrooms, which are added to their porridge so that they do not completely go crazy under the influence of the breathtaking successes achieved during the offensive. Because I have little idea of ​​the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, which corrects the strikes of its artillery and the Aerospace Forces according to information received from the Ukrainian media.

But Zelensky is not going to stop there, 2/3 of the Headquarters Reserve is not yet involved in offensive operations, and out of the five BTGs already involved, the losses are only 40% of the personnel, this is critical, but not fatal. We will see in the coming days how the Drug Commander will dispose of the remaining 10-15 BTGs, throw them further into battle or leave them to stop the long-awaited Russian offensive in the Nikolaev-Odessa direction.

people from parallel reality


And now I would like to explain how our non-brothers came to such a life, why do they deliberately go to death and why don’t they turn their weapons against their drug-addicted commander? To understand their logic, I had to clench my teeth and listen to the well-known Ukrainian political analyst-analyst Vadim Karasev (nicknamed “the warthog”), who, according to my observations, also sits tightly on coke (maybe he and Zelensky even have one drug dealer), but, nevertheless, this is one of the few Ukrainian political scientists who at least have a rational grain and elementary logic in their judgments. So, if we discard all conventions, then the Ukrainian layman, who sits tightly on this swill (and they are not fed to others now), does not even have cognitive dissonance, everything is even in their world.

Judge for yourself, our “goodwill gesture”, our retreat from Kyiv, Sumy and Chernigov, they serve as their victory, they even came up with such a term - “the miracle of February”, when, despite Moscow’s pressure and Washington’s disbelief in them, they survived and even drove the RF Armed Forces back, almost to the very borders of the Russian Federation. At the time when Kozak was bombarding Yermak with threatening calls, the White House was closed for re-registration, and Zelensky was in a panic on the verge of resignation and no one believed in them, then the very “miracle of February” happened, when by the will of the Lord the enemy was thrown back from under the walls of the capital. Yes, they lost part of their territories in the north of the Kharkiv region and in the south (part of the Zaporozhye region and Kherson), but in half a year of hostilities, the Russian troops were able to capture only the Lugansk region and still have not even reached the administrative borders of Donetsk. All regional centers, except for Kherson, remain under Kyiv, 4/5 of the territory too, at this pace the NWO will continue for another 10 years, and Kyiv, in addition to the “miracle of February”, is also waiting for the “miracle on the Dnieper”, the liberation of Kherson and the development of an offensive against the Crimea, Rostov , Sakhalin and so on (I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea). Karasev cites historical parallels to the “miracle on the Vistula”, when in 1920 Tukhachevsky’s Red Army troops were defeated near the Polish capital and driven back hundreds of kilometers from Warsaw, which ended for Bolshevik Russia with the signing of the shameful Riga Treaty and the loss of part of the territories.

At the same time, 4/5 of Ukraine live their normal lives, go to work, cafes, cinemas, go on vacation and all together hate Putin, who attacked them. And why should they love him if he is trying to break the usual rhythm and way of their life? They firmly believe that with the help of the West they will defeat him, and begin their normal lives, cursing Russia and everything connected with it. And the West, having seen the “miracle of February”, seeing that Kyiv was fighting, also came out of its lethargic sleep and began to pump Ukraine this time with heavy weapons, fully harnessing it, betting on the complete defeat of Russia on the battlefield. It was then that the strange negotiation process in Istanbul was curtailed, and the NWO moved to a qualitatively new level. Yes, the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov has been lost, there is a naval blockade of the Black Sea region, there are certain successes of the enemy in the Donetsk and Lugansk theaters of operations, something has been lost there in the Kharkov region, but otherwise, beautiful Marquise, everything is fine, and everything that is bad - we are "overcome" and we will return everything, because God is with us (probably in the face of the collective West). Bloomberg argues that "Western military support for Ukraine is a short-term solution to a long-term problem." And what is the long-term problem of the West? That's right, you know her - she is in Moscow. Therefore - forward to Moscow! Ukraine - over use!

If we already sign a peace treaty with Russia with freezing the conflict and fixing the status quo, then it should have been signed in March, says Karasev, when we defeated her near Kyiv, Sumy and Chernigov. Then it could be presented as an image victory against the backdrop of a clear defeat and retreat of Russia. Now, after the loss of Kherson, Mariupol, Melitopol and other small towns, it’s too late to rush about, the Rubicon has been crossed (while Karasev does not say who crossed it?), there is no way back, the course has been set for war to a victorious end, and whose end will it be - Russia or Ukraine, time will tell. Again, Karasev does not say who took the course for a war to a victorious end, and I have a feeling that it was clearly not Kyiv, Washington made the decision, Kyiv’s opinion on this matter was of no interest to anyone at all.

And now put yourself in the place of an ordinary resident of Ukraine, he lived his ordinary life until February 24, 2022, until Putin began the NWO. Whatever you call this fact, nothing changes for him, he does not want to understand the reasons that prompted you, he looks at it from his bell tower - he lived his own, albeit bad, but peaceful life, until strangers came into it, derailed. After that, even if before that he sympathized with Russia, everything fell into place for him, there is no cognitive dissonance, Russia is an enemy, Ukraine is waging a national liberation war, and he, as its citizen, will defend it even with weapons in hand. Now, for the average Ukrainian layman, who does not particularly bother with the underlying causes of geopolitical processes, they are waging a just liberation war, but we are not. They are defending their Motherland, but what are we defending? Peaceful people of Donbass, at the cost of their lives? Agree - little consolation for a person who lost everything on February 24, starting with the peaceful sky above his head.

Now, I hope it will not be a revelation for you, why are the Ukrainians so desperately fighting with us? We should have thought earlier, I’m not even talking about the last 8 years of Ukraine’s incomprehensible status, when the frenzied anti-Russian propaganda clouded the minds of Ukrainians, but about the last hours before the NWO. Maybe this preventive strike was not needed after all, especially since we did not derive any benefits from it? Maybe we should have waited for the first blow from Ukraine? If she were the first to hit the Donbass, why would this blow be more terrible than those that she is now inflicting on Donetsk? But then we would strike back with all the force of our weapons and for the whole world, as well as for 60% of Ukrainians, we would no longer be conquerors. Maybe the rink of sanctions would then have been easier and the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not so fierce. I know what I'm talking about, I live in Ukraine and I know better than you about the real moods of its citizens.
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  1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 September 2022 19: 58
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    and only chance saved us

    Will there be a source? Everything I've read says otherwise.

    Maybe this preventive strike was not needed after all, especially since we did not derive any benefits from it? Maybe we should have waited for the first blow from Ukraine? If she were the first to hit the Donbass, why would this blow be more terrible than those that she is now inflicting on Donetsk? But then we would strike back with all the force of our weapons and for the whole world, as well as for 60% of Ukrainians, we would no longer be conquerors. Maybe the rink of sanctions would then have been easier and the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not so fierce.

    Truth? They seriously claim that we are shelling ourselves.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 4 September 2022 20: 20
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      Quote: Dart2027
      Really?

      truest

      They seriously claim that we are shelling ourselves.

      Tryndet - do not toss bags
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 4 September 2022 23: 13
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      Will there be a source? Everything I've read says otherwise.

      source - yurasums, he is Yuri Podolyaka, you read the wrong books!

  2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 4 September 2022 20: 10
    +6
    the author seems to have logic, but he is deeply mistaken, confusing the soft with the bitter, describing the layman, he is right, but the layman is a swamp, maybe he doesn’t love Putin now, but if the Russians come and fall in love after watching RT, he will forgive everything and start living again, but in a different way, but now the layman is trying to avoid conscription and flees to Poland or the Russian Federation ..... the description of the layman is not a description of Ukrainian fascists going to their deaths .... like the description of, for example, Western mercenaries, this is different, these are nonhumans who have been taught kill, they want power over other people, power to kill, Cain sits inside them, and they like it, they chose it, they want blood (moreover, someone else’s) and a lot, I don’t feel sorry for them, and let our brave fighters, Russian soldiers and officers, exterminate these bad people and more
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 4 September 2022 20: 23
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      Quote: vladimir1155
      if the Russians come, they will fall in love after watching RT,

      Holy simplicity (s)
      1. Victorio Offline Victorio
        Victorio (Victorio) 5 September 2022 08: 18
        +3
        Quote: k7k8
        Quote: vladimir1155
        if Russians will come to love looking at RT

        Holy simplicity (s)

        the people who remained in the liberated territories confirm this. and how many percent it is, but how much they waited, love, endure, then these are already details. I think it’s already a good result with total brainwashing for a certain number of years
  3. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 4 September 2022 20: 19
    +3
    Maybe we should have waited for the first blow from Ukraine? Let her be the first to hit the Donbass. Why would this blow be worse than the ones she is now inflicting on Donetsk? But then we would strike back with all the force of our weapons and for the whole world, as well as for 60% of Ukrainians, we would no longer be conquerors. Maybe the rink of sanctions would then have been easier and the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not so fierce.

    Oh really? More recently, a respected editorial office just didn’t ban for such words, but they definitely sent all seven Egyptian executions on the head of a seditious. And now - an editorial (because without a signature), expressing the opinion of the entire editorial board.
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 4 September 2022 20: 37
      +1
      The question is different, a week or more ago, a bridgehead was captured on the Ingulets River. And during the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 172 tanks and other military equipment were transported. And where was our command. The Battle of Kursk, ours know the beginning and deliver an artillery strike. But the current generals remember this, or we fight differently.
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 4 September 2022 23: 18
        +1
        the bridgehead on the southern bank of the Ingulets was captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine two months ago, it is large enough, you can’t plow all the artillery
        1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 08: 57
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          The regiment is not plowed up by artillery. And where are the vaunted Tornadoes with homing. Ukrainians hit the bridge for sure, but the bridge built in Soviet times withstands. We can’t demolish the crossing. I see the experience of the Red Army better implements the APU than the Russian Armed Forces. consists of a platoon and a company, and that they are against the regiment.
    2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 4 September 2022 21: 38
      +3
      in no case was it possible to wait for the first strike of the Nazis, if the fight could not be avoided, strike first, all the more using the effect of surprise, in the first hours they successfully hit a huge number of Nazi infrastructure
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 09: 00
        +1
        Hit first and finish it off, and don’t wait for an answer. But it flew in and wasn’t sickly. Judo is not a combat fight, it’s dancing on a carpet. And that says it all.
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      2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 09: 06
        +3
        Stop repeating nonsense. Do not confuse a yard showdown with a war. Especially with civilians. Which is to be destroyed.
        1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 10: 26
          +3
          And what did Putin mean when he talked about hitting first, about street fights, or ... I didn’t know that he was a genius of military art.
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 11: 52
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            Quote: aslan642
            And Putin, what did he mean when he spoke about hitting first

            Unlike you, Putin knows how to admit his own mistakes, and he does not repeat stupid things, even if they were said by him. Your statements are more like spells than the work of thought
            1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
              aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 12: 57
              +2
              Yeah, he admits he made his mistakes.
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            2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
              rotkiv04 (Victor) 6 September 2022 10: 58
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              I apologize for getting into the discussion, it became interesting to me, but when and where did Putin admit his own mistakes, remind me, if not a burden
  4. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 4 September 2022 20: 33
    +6
    It doesn't matter who starts there first and what they do next. Modern media one hell will present everything as it should. And most will believe them. For lying is just one of the forms of fighting ..
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 4 September 2022 21: 38
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      Quote from Paul3390
      It doesn't matter who starts there first and what they do next. Modern media one hell will present everything as it should. And most will believe them. For lying is just one of the forms of fighting ..

      Yes exactly!
    2. Saffron Offline Saffron
      Saffron (Igor) 7 September 2022 14: 34
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      First real comment. And then military experts (former virologists) gathered. Military successes (failures) will be exactly what the media will present and will be perceived by the people. In the total absence of a different opinion, it is difficult to consider the truth.
  5. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 September 2022 22: 47
    +1
    There is nothing to talk about here, there is a war between the united West and Russia (comparable to the Crimean War of 1854-55). Ukraine is only one of the created tools for bleeding Russia. (Ukrainians as sacrificial pawns). And after Ukraine, military confrontation will continue, and possibly with military action. So it’s time for the entire Russian state to mobilize, win and quickly in the NWO, without dragging out the confrontation, because time is already working against us .. Defeat in terms of consequences is much worse than the defeat in the Crimean War ... Incomprehensible antics with the NWO and other things only disorientate Russian society when full mobilization is necessary, otherwise defeat is possible in this confrontation that is essentially deadly for us ....
    1. Saffron Offline Saffron
      Saffron (Igor) 7 September 2022 14: 38
      +1
      I agree in many respects, except for one thing - time does not work against us, but just against the West (unfortunately, except for the USA). Their industry works at half strength, and many enterprises simply stopped. The economy does not fall only because of an overheated printing press, but with emissions they have already come to the brink ...
  6. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 5 September 2022 05: 28
    +3
    I believe that even they attacked us first in the Western and Ukrainian media they wrote that it was we who invaded Ukraine and they are defending themselves. Therefore, it makes no difference who would attack first and how brainwashed the majority of the Ukrainian population of cannon fodder on the front end they will put as much they will catch the military enlistment offices and there will be a lot more of him.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 06: 00
      +4
      I just tried to explain why the Ukrainians defend themselves so fiercely and selflessly - because they believe that their cause is just, that’s one thing, and because they are told in their media that they haven’t even lost anything yet, the war is just starting and with the help of the West they can beat us, and that's two. Do you think that we have already won this war? So far, we have only lost it, but a draw does not suit us, but for the Ukrainians, a draw is already a victory! And most importantly, we are one people, as Putin said, therefore we are at war with ourselves, and such a war of annihilation
      1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 07: 20
        +3
        the opinion of the fascists should not really interest us, both still alive and those who are already lying around with their stinking corpses in Ukraine, and we are not one people with the fascists and their henchmen ... the question is that more artillery and missiles and other weapons are needed to denazize fascists more,
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 09: 15
          -4
          Do you equate Ukrainians and Nazis? And why are you better than the last in this case?
          1. cooper Offline cooper
            cooper (Alexander) 5 September 2022 12: 17
            +2
            The Nazis are. Don't crack your feathers.
            1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
              k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 17: 44
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              You just confirmed my assumption
            2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 22: 31
              +1
              Sasha, you are wrong - I am from Ukraine, I write with a small letter, because there is no such country for me after what it did to its citizens! And there are millions of people like me! there is no need to scratch everyone one size fits all, here even the Nazis are some kind of mummers, not real ones, like your Cossacks, they also play war games
          2. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 5 September 2022 15: 50
            +1
            Do you equate Ukrainians and Nazis?

            No, just children greet "from the heart to the sun" ...
          3. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 10 September 2022 09: 52
            -1
            Ukrainians are originally those who converted to Greek Catholics, and they are all fascists and apostates, and all the inhabitants of the so-called Ukraine, who have forgotten their native Russian language, who speak the language not under duress, who ziguet and shout "Muscovite to Gilyak", then all of them fascists and I don’t feel sorry for them even young ones... let’s cleanse the land of the so-called Ukraine from fascist evil spirits! death to fascists! we are Russian God is with us! our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours! forward to the west! for motherland for Stalin!
      2. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
        antibi0tikk (Sergei) 5 September 2022 08: 26
        +5
        We are at war with ourselves - no matter how sad it sounds, but it is. He can tweak a little and say - his own people are at war with their own. Guys from Donetsk did repairs in my apartment, they say that his classmates are both on our side of the front and on the other side. Yes, and I myself saw once at a construction site here in Moscow, two electricians, guys from Ukraine, are sitting in the electrical panel after work, drinking vodka and talking about the battles for the Donetsk airport. Only one was from cyborgs, the other from the DPR. I already thought I would have to separate them, they will cripple each other with hammers and pliers ...... figurines! I would not call friendly relations between them, rather like good friends, but there was certainly no enmity and hatred between them. It was a long time ago, like in 2018, but I remember this scene well. For me then, in relation to those events, everything was, so to speak, black and white: if for the Donetsk people, it means on the side of the truth, for the Kyiv ones, it means a fascist. Everything is much more complicated. Here in Russia, you can find more information about this war and moreover from various sources: our media, foreign press, bloggers, etc. On the other hand, the censorship is strict, no deviation from the central line of the party! Only now the gut is such that when people realize that they were not just deceived, but tough on ..... whether, they will have a lot of questions for their government. As a colleague here on this thread said "they will fall in love with watching RT", a little exaggerated, but generally true.
        And now, I repeat, the Russians are at war with the Russians. How can we resist and stand, what the hell will you move, everyone knows. But only if we know that the Truth is behind us.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 09: 18
          -3
          Quote: antibi0tikk
          theirs are at war with theirs.

          Only fully realizing this fact, Moscow can get things off the ground.
        2. cooper Offline cooper
          cooper (Alexander) 5 September 2022 12: 15
          +1
          Antibiotics, don't post nonsense.
      3. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 09: 13
        -3
        Quote: Volkonsky
        I just tried to explain

        Why are you making excuses to the turbopatriots?
      4. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 10: 28
        +1
        We are one people with Putin. In fact, we are different and we have no unity
      5. cooper Offline cooper
        cooper (Alexander) 5 September 2022 12: 18
        0
        Volkonsky, talk nonsense.
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 09: 13
      -1
      Quote: Valera75
      I believe that even they attacked us first in the Western and Ukrainian media they wrote that we invaded Ukraine and they are defending themselves

      Regardless of what you personally think, Russia struck first. And now, in the eyes of the same Ukrainians, she is an aggressor. And no arguments from Moscow that it was necessary, that we defended ourselves, that "hit first, Freddy" (C), do not work.
      Until recently, when I wrote that it was impossible to start first, that it could be one or the other, local gifted people cited me as an argument that history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. And now the same gifted people use this subjunctive mood recklessly.
  7. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 5 September 2022 06: 42
    +3
    It is necessary not to introduce 15 thousand, but at least 150. It's time for our rulers to think with their heads. No need to delay, before the new year we need 2-3 victorious operations. 1 - Nikolaev.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 07: 11
      +5
      the introduction of infantry in modern warfare is not critical, and we already have 10 times more artillery, everything is stalled due to the fact that we protect our infantry, carefully clean the enemy with artillery, and this takes time, I support the president’s course to save Russian soldiers, although and I have to patiently wait for victory and also want everything as quickly as possible .... I just think that the main blow should be delivered to Odessa and Lvov, and for a long time ... to cut off Ukraine from Western supplies
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 5 September 2022 09: 20
        -2
        Quote: vladimir1155
        the introduction of infantry in modern warfare is not critical

        Another apologist for button warfare? So you can fight with the barmaley (and even then not with everyone), but not with the Slavs.
      2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 10: 36
        -2
        Where we were suddenly able to capture, then we captured. And where the dill has become stronger, we have been tinkering for 6 months. And this SVO showed what Russia is capable of militarily. But the possibilities are not encouraging. The vaunted air defense will not be able to protect our cities from shelling, and the army cannot conduct major military operations.
  8. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 5 September 2022 07: 28
    +3
    Quote: Volkonsky
    So far, we have not only lost it, but a draw does not suit us, but for ukrov, a draw is already a victory!

    For us, it’s a loss that a draw is the same. Leave one area uncleaned from Bandera and the Nazis, and they will turn it into a victory, they say, we held out on such a small patch and broke the back of the Russian Federation. Yes, they will present it in such a way that the West will also applaud their alleged victory. complete victory over the enemy, otherwise fascism and Bandera will sprout.
  9. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 September 2022 07: 38
    +6
    The author correctly points out the reasons for such violent resistance. But he draws the wrong conclusion. It was impossible to wait for the first blow. It would be a fatal blow. And the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fully confirms this.
    If now, after the colossal losses suffered by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for six months, Ukraine was able to break through the defenses (albeit in one direction) and go 6 km, then what would be the result of an attack on Donetsk in February or March?
    The same LDNR troops would have opposed them, but without Russian support. And the blow would be delivered by full-blooded brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, supported by all the artillery and hundreds of tanks.
    I think that they would have taken Donetsk on the first day of the offensive, and they would have reached the Russian borders in a couple of days. In no case could one wait for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Putin said "there will be no repetition of June 22". I think that the leadership of Russia knew the real combat capability of the NM LDNR and the degree of readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 08: 06
      -1
      already in two directions - yesterday the Armed Forces of Ukraine took grace and high-field, and there it was not the boys who resisted them, but the special forces of the Airborne Forces, the problem is the same - the lack of ammunition, they still ruined the logistics for us, now the chair has already swayed under Shoigu, they say they are preparing Zolotov to replace him, and Kadyrov to the National Guard, crests will be delighted ...
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 September 2022 08: 48
        -3
        High field is questionable. In any case, according to the evening reports. But, in principle, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting hard. And the advance of Russian troops is measured in hundreds of meters. At best, 1-2 km.
        I don’t know if it’s intentional or not possible, but the battles are moving (have already moved) into an analogue of the First World War - “the battle for the forester’s hut”.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 22: 41
          0
          baht, do you know who is minus us here? strange people, here really adequate readers, with whom you can talk frankly about our victories and defeats (and there are those too!), on the fingers of one hand - they either drown for Putin, not seeing a flaw, or against - too, not seeing anything. That maydauns, that Russian jingoistic patriots are from the same tree, only the signs are opposite, which once again proves the words of the GDP that we are one people!
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 00: 38
            -2
            I don't care who downvotes and how much. But the fact that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, I do not agree.

            There are many definitions of what a nation is. There is always confusion about what a people, a nation and, more generally, an ethnos are. But the basic provisions can be taken from Wikipedia, so as not to go into details.
            There must be a single language, culture, religion, economy, common history. What do Russians and Ukrainians have in common? By what criteria do Russians and Ukrainians belong to the same people?
            Language? Russian language is banned in Ukraine
            Culture? There was a report that tens of thousands of books by Russian authors were burned in Kyiv.
            Religion? I will not write about the split of the church, because it is alien to me. I'm an atheist.
            Common history? Bandera is a hero for a Ukrainian.
            Economy? What constructive has the Ukrainian built? It can steal, even more so "bite".

            What lived in one state? So the Azerbaijanis lived in the same state with the Russians for more than 150 years. In the Union, they tried to create a single community - the Soviet people. Practice has shown that this is a utopia. As long as the central government kept nationalism in check, it worked. But the "Soviet people" disappeared within a couple of years.
            In history, you can find examples of how entire nations disappeared.

            What Ukrainian would agree with this song?

            1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
              k7k8 (vic) 6 September 2022 09: 37
              0
              1.
              Quote: Bakht
              Practice has shown that this is a utopia

              Practice shows that this is by no means a utopia. The same States prove it. Despite a bunch of contradictions in society, they are a single American people.
              2. And why do you discard the entire centuries-old history of the community of Ukrainians and Russians (and why are you better than the newly-minted Ukrainian historians in this case) and declare only the last 30 years to be the only true history of Ukraine?
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 13: 56
                -1
                Are you sure about the term "the centuries-old community of Ukrainians"?
                Yes, the term "Ukraine" has existed for several centuries. As the outskirts, and not even Russia, but Poland. But not centuries old. So you can get to the ancient ukrov.
                Do you recognize the commonality of Poles and Russians? I can look for the exact date, but it doesn't matter. A thousand years ago, the glade and the drevlyans spoke the same language and were of the same religion. Pagan. But history changed everything the same thousand years ago.

                And don't mix things up. I'm not talking about the last 30 years. Again you ascribe to me what I did not say. I'm talking about the creation of the state of Ukraine, that is, the last 100 years. The Ukrainian (pure crest) is the enemy of the Russian. This is as true as the fact that the earth is spinning.

                The concept of the American people is rather vague. The Constitution says "We the people of the United States." But only WASP was meant.

                Of the above criteria for determining the people, which one is suitable for substantiating the commonality of Ukrainians and Russians?
                1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                  k7k8 (vic) 6 September 2022 14: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Bakht
                  I'm not talking about the last 30 years

                  What are you saying?

                  Quote: Bakht
                  Language? Russian language is banned in Ukraine
                  Culture? There was a report that tens of thousands of books by Russian authors were burned in Kyiv.
                  Religion? I will not write about the split of the church, because it is alien to me. I'm an atheist.
                  Common history? Bandera is a hero for a Ukrainian

                  Is that what I said?

                  Quote: Bakht
                  Ukrainian (pure crest) enemy of Russian

                  Tell it twice to the Hero of the Soviet Union, Marshal Rybalko, tell it to the Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General Shtanko (my head of the school), tell it twice to the Hero of the Soviet Union, General Kovpak. Yes, and there are many others you can tell.
                  The rest of your Black Hundred torrent is even ashamed to comment on.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 14: 43
                    -1
                    There is no point in even commenting on your verbiage.

                    Did Rybalko, Shtanko (I can even expand this list) oppose themselves to the Russian world?
                    Have you seen the movie "Kill the Russian in yourself"? Well, look. Or are you unfamiliar with the expression "to become a Ukrainian, you must kill the Russian in yourself."

                    But you still haven't answered the main question. What criteria say that Russians and Ukrainians are one people?
                    Ukrainians began to create 100 years ago. As a method of dealing with Russia. And Ukrainians, by definition, cannot be a fraternal people with Russians. This is at its core. Whether you like it or not.
                  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 15: 18
                    -2
                    Help, as always, came from the Volga. Early in the morning of September 23, the 284th Infantry Division of Colonel Batyuk (Siberians) crossed over to the 62nd Army. The Germans launched illuminating parachutes to see who else was on the path to death. The arrival of this division prevented the German movement parallel to the river. Batyuk, a handsome Ukrainian of medium height, slender, dark-haired, suffered from a serious illness associated with blood flow defects. From time to time he suffered so terribly that he could not walk and the soldier carried his commander, but he did this only at night - Batyuk would never show his weakness in front of the ranks. Batyuk, a Ukrainian guy, fought for his homeland and there was no force that could stop him in this fight. Like Rodimtsev before, he came at the right time - the situation was below critical.

                    The history of Russia is a history of a mixture of nations and nationalities. The very name Rus speaks of Scandinavian roots. Slavs, Finno-Ugric peoples, Turkic peoples - only a cruel and insidious enemy could try to quarrel, break this unity, it has been suffered through incredible blood. Even the recalculation of geniuses in a single wreath of a single country is inappropriate. We have lived through a thousand-year common history, and this common road of ours has united, made united the whole family of historically united and mixed peoples. And the Ukrainian Batyuk, overcoming the torments of death, biting his lips, stood up in a single formation, which makes us all invincible. He, his descendants and relatives own our country by the greatest right. Stalingrad once again in the most obvious way merged our blood, our history, our psychological perception of the world, our future. It would be sacrilege to forget this common experience of ours for the sake of the treacherous sirens of separatism.

                    And at the same time there was a division "Galicia". Don't you see the difference?
                    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                      k7k8 (vic) 6 September 2022 20: 33
                      0
                      Ek got you. That seems to be an adult and even smart, but you don’t see the difference between Ukrainians and Ukrainians.
                      And yes, mentioning the SS division "Galicia", it is worth remembering that there were also ROA, RONA, Cossack units of the SS and the like trash. And never for a normal Ukrainian, neither Bandera nor the SS from "Galicia" will be characters worthy of people's memory. Only Ukrainians are capable of this. As, vrochem, not a single normal Russian will glorify the Vlasovites.

                      Did Rybalko, Shtanko (I can even expand this list) oppose themselves to the Russian world?

                      Even if we do not take into account the fact that the very concept of the "Russian world" is rather contradictory and controversial and, moreover, did not exist in principle during the Soviet Union, then, of course, it does not (as the thoroughbred Pole Rokossovsky, the thoroughbred Armenian Bagramyan, thoroughbred Jew Ioffe. Yes, their name is legion). But they never denied their belonging to the Ukrainians and were not ashamed of it. And you, in your national-patriotic frenzy, are already morally ready to kill a Ukrainian just because he is a Ukrainian. And why are you better than Ukrainians in this case?
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 21: 07
                        -2
                        You never paid attention to what I write. Take my words very superficially.
                        Show me one quote where I call for "killing a Ukrainian". Especially to kill on a national basis.
                        Again. Ukrainian and Russian are not brothers. Just like a Belarusian with a Russian is not a brother. For the simple reason that they have their own Nation States.
                        I wrote that a pure crest is the enemy of the Russian. And he did not call for killing.

                        I wrote that Ukraine was cut off from Russia and was created as anti-Russia.

                        The Russian world is a "controversial concept" for you. But not for me. As a non-Russian by birth, I perfectly understand what it is.
                      2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                        k7k8 (vic) 6 September 2022 22: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Bakht
                        You never paid attention to what I write. Take my words very superficially

                        I can say the same about you. But despite this, you require me to carefully read what you wrote.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        Show me one quote where I call for "killing a Ukrainian"

                        I pointed out that you are mentally prepared to do this. And you did not even pay attention to this, from your point of view, a trifle.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        As a non-Russian by birth, I perfectly understand what it is

                        And why did you mention this if you consider yourself a "Russian world"? Usually, this is done by those for whom blood issues are still in one of the first (if not the first) place.
                        And the concept of the "Russian world" is debatable, if only because no one and nowhere else (starting with you and ending with the largest Russian philosophers, because this concept is more philosophical) has not been able to clearly articulate what it is in essence, and how signs a person can classify himself as one of them. But this is not a topic for discussion here.
                      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 23: 15
                        -2
                        I have never even hinted at murder anywhere. I do not know how long you have been on the forum, but those who know me can confirm what I have always said and now repeat that Ukraine has the right to exist. due to historical realities. Another thing is that it can exist only within the framework of the Russian world. By no means as anti-Russia. I quoted German Sadulaev from the book "Wolf Jump". What concerned Chechnya applies to the same extent to Ukraine.
                        In the last post, I made a mistake. From the very beginning, I said that Ukrainian and Russian are not one people. What I wrote "not fraternal peoples" is my carelessness.

                        It is not the Russian who should talk about the "Russian world". For a truly Russian person, these are obvious things. In any case, it should be so. Perhaps this is a philosophical concept, but for me it is filled with real meaning. This is the Russian language, culture, history. Those who accept these real things belong to the Russian world. Whoever denies this (for example, bans the Russian language, culture, history, and even competes under a neutral flag) for that the Russian world is an abstraction. This is my personal perception. So it's really not worth discussing here.

                        Russian President Vladimir Putin approved a new foreign policy doctrine based on the concept of the "Russian world".

                        The Concept of Russia's Humanitarian Policy Abroad Approved
                        Vladimir Putin signed the Decree "On the Approval of the Concept of the Russian Federation's Humanitarian Policy Abroad".
                        5 September 2022 years

                        http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/files/ru/G3CkAuMhZXio8AzNaweT3wTGTaEA16OU.pdf
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                2. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 13 September 2022 06: 13
                  -1
                  The question is that an adult, even too much, is just old ... about smart ... just old.
      2. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 13 September 2022 06: 28
        -1
        Russians are a people that has historically developed. Ukrainians are an attempt to pass off a political movement as a national concept and give this movement signs of nationality, moreover, organized by forces hostile to everything Russian Russian, at the expense of Russian Russian. It should be noted that thanks to the time, effort and money invested in this false national concept, Ukrainians have become universally (again by force) considered to be supposedly a people. Which of course is not. Ukrainians will NEVER become either a people or a nation. The war in Ukraine will only hasten the disappearance of this pseudo-people as an entity. I am sure that the word "Ukrainian" will refer to vile, deceitful and aggressive individuals, prone to betrayal and theft. In the liberated regions, this is approximately the case.
  • aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 September 2022 10: 39
    0
    The leadership saw the victorious reports of intelligence and other services. And everything in life turned out to be wrong
  • Saffron Offline Saffron
    Saffron (Igor) 7 September 2022 14: 48
    0
    And now, when liberating territories in the DPR, everyone is freaking out about how everything was prepared there. In addition, many captured VSUshniks unanimously say that they were being prepared for OFFENSIVE actions.
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 5 September 2022 07: 54
    +2
    Started for health, finished for peace ... no. Disagree with the end of this article. I don't care that the crest does not realize his guilt for the 8-year-old crimes of his country against the people of Donbass. This average crest, comfortably settled down on the blood and troubles of the Russians, and thought that such a nishtyak would be constantly ... nooo. Now let many such crests burn in the hell of righteous fire from the noble fury of Russia. The preemptive strike was not a preemptive one, but a consequence of a smoldering war since 2014, and you yourself wrote about it, and now suddenly wrapping yourself in the flag of Ukraine, you are talking about the opposite... pull yourself together.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 September 2022 08: 10
      0
      the ending was cut, the name was changed, the text was emasculated, the main idea was smeared - the main idea is that we are at war with ourselves, Russians with Russians, we are one people, we will fight to the end, we are defending our homeland, but they are also defending their homeland, what is there incomprehensible?!
      "We are one people!" (V.V. Putin): On the nature of the “unscrupulous” spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the “invincibility” of the Ukrainian army.
      this original name was
      I just tried to explain why the Ukrainians are so fiercely and selflessly defending themselves - because they believe that their cause is just, that’s one thing, and because they are told in their media that they haven’t even lost anything yet, the war is just starting and with the help of the West they can defeat us - these are two. Do you think that we have already won this war? So far, we have not only lost it, but a draw does not suit us, but for ukrov, a draw is already a victory! And most importantly, we are not fraternal peoples, we are one people, as Putin said, therefore we are at war with ourselves, and such a war of annihilation
      Ukraine turned out to be a tough nut to crack, only because we are at war there practically with ourselves, the Russians are at war with the Russians (the dream of the old Biden came true), and the Ukrainians intend to fight to the last, because they are us.
      1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 5 September 2022 08: 13
        +4
        I answer: we are no longer one people. When one people - cultural and historical values ​​are one. In this case, they are different. And on genetics - leave these conversations to scientists ...
      2. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 5 September 2022 08: 16
        +4
        It is in the Kremlin that the idiots still wishful thinking and dream that this is one people ... it was once one people, but it ended ... there was no need to clap your ears all these 25 years. crests were recoded.
      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 September 2022 08: 50
        -1
        Ukrainian and Russian are not one people. Standard error: to equate a Ukrainian and a Russian living in Ukraine.
      4. Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
        Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 7 September 2022 18: 57
        0
        in the sense ... you are the author of this publication ... did the editors cut your article?
      5. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 13 September 2022 06: 38
        0
        To simplify everything, then, yes, "Ukrainians" are the RUSSIAN PEOPLE, but not one people, but a small (and as it turned out not the best) part of it. His lost and mutilated forgotten part. One genetics. Unfortunately, this part turned out to be weak and deceitful. Having received, for FREE, land and material gifts for their use, this "people", having screwed everything up, also became a military enemy of its whole. Unfortunately, most of the "Ukrainians" are not subject to return. They don't want to, and they can't. Therefore, the task is to save those who can be saved and kill the rest.
        Which is happening.
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 5 September 2022 08: 03
    +1
    Our military-political leadership is still playing nobility in front of the Nazis. In vain. They won't appreciate it. Moreover, they will take advantage of this nobility and kill even more Russians. We must understand: we are at war with a people who sincerely believed in their exclusivity and the right to live off the blood and troubles of Russians. These are fascists. 99% of the people of Ukraine are fascists.
    In this regard, it is urgent to start massive RBU in Kyiv and all key infrastructure facilities. There will be no civilian casualties. There has been no civilian population for a long time. Even the kids are zigging. All of them are fascists. All to waste.
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 5 September 2022 08: 10
    +2
    I understand the annoyance of the author. Like I didn’t want anything bad, but then suddenly such a reaction! Understand. I also understand the psychology of the Ukrainian, and without this article it is clear to everyone that the bugs have stuck and grown fat ... and now they are being killed and it is unpleasant for them ... and they are desperately resisting trying to survive and continue to drink blood ....
  • Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
    Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 5 September 2022 08: 11
    -2
    the author is now wedged in the other direction

    I will explain.

    1. there was no landing, otherwise there would have been some kind of footage.
    shots where bodies lie in a brand new unrumpled uniform with pockets stuffed with bundles of dollars, I very much doubt the reliability of such a video,

    2. a wrecked barge was shown, but if the author saw these frames, he should have noticed that this barge is not self-propelled.

    3. There are rumors that Shoigu lost to Zolotov in the apparatus war in the Kremlin. then it's just Zolotov's PR campaign, with a fake about the paratroopers.

    4. to dispel my doubts, it is enough to show the bodies of the killed soldiers on the shore against the backdrop of the nuclear power plant building, then I will believe that I can do something, but until that moment it is idle talk. and the author supports this empty chatter, does not treat it critically.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 6 September 2022 00: 48
      -2
      There is a video with drowned paratroopers on the net.
      1. Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
        Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 7 September 2022 02: 52
        0
        that video is fake
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 September 2022 07: 21
          -2
          Is there any evidence that "that video is fake"?
  • kot711 Offline kot711
    kot711 (vov) 5 September 2022 10: 07
    0
    our unparalleled helicopter landing near Gostomel (and the final result, too,
    It's like comparing the exit from Afghanistan of ours and amers.
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 6 September 2022 09: 03
      0
      Ours left Afghanistan and after a couple of years the Union fell apart. The Americans left and that fell apart. For them, elections do not mean a change in political course, for us elections are a path into the unknown, whether we rewrite the constitution for another, or knows what.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 5 September 2022 12: 04
    +2
    The article - the beginning seems to still pull, but then the ending .. complete nonsense, IMHO.
  • House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 5 September 2022 15: 39
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    Maybe we should have waited for the first blow from Ukraine? If she were the first to hit the Donbass, why would this blow be more terrible than those that she is now inflicting on Donetsk? But then we would strike back with all the force of our weapons and for the whole world, as well as for 60% of Ukrainians, we would no longer be conquerors. Maybe the rink of sanctions would then have been easier and the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not so fierce.

    I have not been so surprised for a long time: Zelensky claims that Russia is shelling itself at nuclear power plants, and "the whole world" strenuously pretends to believe ....

    And then - some Donbass ...

    And 60% of Ukrainians who would say: "of course, if in response because of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, then it’s not a shield" ....

    For 8 years they shelled the Donbass, staged a blockade, terrorist attacks, "toad stripes" and what about 60% of Ukrainians??

    Oh, the Author is an idealist ...
    hi

    Benefits of a preemptive strike:
    - a land corridor to the Crimea was broken and 2,5 million people were provided with water in the hottest summer in 150 years;
    - The Sea of ​​Azov is now the inland sea of ​​Russia ...
    - the possibilities of Ukraine in the Black Sea region are reduced to zero (with the exception of the regulated and controlled temporary export of agricultural products) ...
  • Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 5 September 2022 17: 20
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    after all, this preventive strike was not needed, especially since we did not derive any benefits from it? Maybe we should have waited for the first blow from Ukraine? If she were the first to hit the Donbass, why would this blow be more terrible than those that she is now inflicting on Donetsk? But then we would strike back with all the force of our weapons and for the whole world, as well as for 60% of Ukrainians, we would no longer be conquerors

    I totally agree.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 5 September 2022 17: 40
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      Not a valid premise. The war in Donbas has already been going on for 8 years, and the Russian Federation was called by the Ukrainian media as a participant in this war. In the eyes of the Ukrainians, with their propaganda, nothing would have changed ... And the strike by the forces of the RF Armed Forces in the current situation was politically correct, only the execution at the beginning of the NWO was a failure ... In the eyes of the West, the Russian Federation would in any case be called an aggressor and tainted with other lies.
  • faterdom Offline faterdom
    faterdom (Andrei) 5 September 2022 19: 51
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    We have already waited once before to be hit first.
    So, layman, you have no options, we do not need to sympathize, and steal our billions.
    We need to listen carefully. And do not rely on the Poles, son. Will not help.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 6 September 2022 09: 07
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      You do not like the course and results of the Battle of Kursk?

      by the way, all the textbook victories of Russia - Russia -
      Peipsi Lake
      The Battle of Kulikovo
      battle of Molodi
      Poltava
      Borodino
      Stalingrad
      Kursk -

      it is first to wear out the adversary in defense, and then hit with an ambush regiment.
  • Kon1916 Offline Kon1916
    Kon1916 (Harry) 5 September 2022 23: 30
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    The last paragraph - the Kremlin expected to quickly reach the Dnieper.
    1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 7 September 2022 00: 34
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      And they arrived - which is typical ...
  • Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
    Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 7 September 2022 10: 31
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    All the talk that, they say, this is a distraction strike, but in fact the main blow will be delivered on another sector of the front, for example, in the Kharkov direction near Balakleya to reach the rear of our troops participating in the siege of the Slavic-Kramatorsk group, nothing more than a thermal rocket. The main counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be delivered in the Kherson direction.

    Hike all the same distracting blow.
    is the author paid for speculation and for propaganda or for trying to be objective?