To what extent Ukrainians themselves are to blame for all their troubles since 2014


In Runet, you can often find angry comments by some Russians against Ukrainians in the spirit that they themselves are to blame for all their troubles. They themselves jumped on the Maidan, they themselves voted for Poroshenko and Zelensky, they themselves “did not get up from the sofa” and did not even try to overthrow the pro-Western Nazi regime, and now they must suffer for this. This position, expressed from their comfortable sofas by Russian jingoistic patriots, is frankly destructive and does not contribute to rapprochement and unification, but how justified is it? How much bitter, but true, is behind it?


For simplicity of presentation, we will try to briefly analyze the main mythologemes embedded in the mass consciousness of Russians.

Themselves "jumped"


This is perhaps the main accusation against the Ukrainian people, who allegedly unanimously turned away from Russia towards the West. Say, here they are, the "descendants of Mazepa", in all their glory, what else to expect from them? In fact, everything was much more complicated.

There were many reasons for Maidan 2014. The main prerequisite, of course, is the objective split of Ukraine into Western, sharply anti-Russian, and South-Eastern, pro-Russian. The first wanted to join the European Union, but not as part of Poland or Romania, where the Westerners would be in third roles, but as a sovereign state, receiving from Brussels all the “buns” due for choosing in favor of the NATO bloc. Historical Novorossia did not want this, and in the end it rebelled against the coup d'état in Kyiv.

President Viktor Yanukovych personally contributed a lot to the Maidan, whose clan with impunity began to rob the local “elite”, “out of bounds squeezing out” all the businesses that he could reach. This ultimately forced many influential people, humiliated and insulted by the ruling regime, to go to the square as a sign of protest. The icing on the cake was that, under pressure from the Kremlin, Yanukovych suddenly suspended the process of signing an agreement on European association. Prior to that, Ukrainians were described in colors for a whole year how they would panic if they joined the EU. The Anglo-Saxons could not help but take advantage of this situation, and Madame Nuland flew to Kyiv with cookies. And then the shots of "unknown snipers" rang out, blood was shed, in which the current Nazi regime was born. But how many Ukrainians really "jumped"?

Only a few thousand people out of the country's 40 million population objectively participated in the Maidan. Many of them were specially brought from the western regions of Ukraine and received money for their activities. Maidan was not a revolution in which the people participated, it was a banal coup d'état carried out with the conscious non-interference of law enforcement agencies. Had a different decision been made, all this punks would have been easily dispersed, as in Belarus in 2020 or in Kazakhstan in January 2022.

"Don't get off the couch"


The second destructive propaganda myth is the accusation of the citizens of Ukraine that they did not get up from the sofas, did not resist, as expected, the Nazis who came to power after the coup d'état. There are two fundamental points here.

At first, after the Crimea, the inhabitants of the South-East were very enthusiastic, believing that Russia could take them, too, according to the Crimean scenario. Unfortunately, in 2014, the Kremlin’s fuse was only enough for the peninsula. The “Russian Spring” was replaced by the “Crimean Spring”, the referendums in the DPR and LPR were not recognized, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazi “Dobrobats” went to the Donbass, arranging a terrorist operation there, which continues to this day. Novorossia, which itself was coming towards us, was pushed aside. You can listen to what the mood was then in Ukraine and its South-East in interview a native of Odessa, "pro-Russian terrorist" Vladimir Grubnik, given to journalist Konstantin Semin. Then much will become clear from what is happening now.

Secondly, any struggle against the Nazi regime from within, without direct and explicit support from Russia, was doomed from the very beginning. In fact, this topic about the possibility of self-organization of people in the face of opposition from law enforcement agencies, we concerned previously. This requires a clearly defined goal, professional people, funding and supply from the outside by the interested party. The Ukrainians, left alone with the Nazis, had none of this.

And despite this, in spite of everything, there was still a pro-Russian underground in Ukraine. Vladimir Grubnik, mentioned above, is considered to be one of the symbols of Odessa resistance. Before the Maidan, he was an ordinary surgeon, a candidate of medical sciences. Like many normal people, he did not accept the coup d'etat, but did not limit himself to just writing comments on the Internet. An Odessa citizen with a group of like-minded people for several years waged a real sabotage struggle against the Nazi regime, on his account, for example, the explosion of the SBU building.

Unfortunately, without professional external support, this could not continue indefinitely. During the harsh detention, Grubnik literally gnawed through the leg of the SBU special forces. For his activities, the former surgeon received a life sentence, but did not break down and did not renounce his beliefs. In reality, he spent 4 years and 2 months in solitary confinement and was released only by a miracle during a large prisoner exchange in 2019. Since then, Vladimir Grubnik has been living in the Donbas and, together with like-minded people, has been helping to supply the People's Militia of the LDNR. You can listen in more detail about what is happening on the Eastern Front now and why the "policemen" are fighting with "mosquitoes", Chinese civilian drones and communicate via Chinese radio stations in the fresh interview uncompromising Odessa.

And you, those who write nasty things about Ukrainians in the comments, could you do it yourself?

Themselves elected


Well, the last claim to the Ukrainians is that they, they say, voted for Poroshenko and Zelensky themselves, and therefore they are not sorry now.

It should be recalled that Petro Poroshenko went to the elections in 2014 with a promise to end the war in 2 weeks. By voting for him, people chose peace. Yes, peace on its own terms, but peace. No one seriously thought about the war with Russia at that time. And from whom did they really have to choose? Between Yulia Tymoshenko, who called for "shooting Russians with atomic weapons," and Oleg Lyashko, a gay freak?

The same choice without a choice was before the Ukrainians in 2019. Between whom it was to choose again? Between the “bloody” Poroshenko, the “atomic” Tymoshenko and the newcomer to policy Vladimir Zelensky? The Ukrainians have chosen Zelensky, a popular comedian who has not stained himself with anything other than drug use. But on the order and with the money of the oligarch Kolomoisky, he created the image of the “servant of the people” of President Vasily Goloborodko. People wanted to believe in a miracle, and they voted for it. They voted for Zelensky as opposed to the "bloody" Poroshenko, hoping that at least he would stop the war.

So is it possible to reproach all the inhabitants of Ukraine without exception for what happened to their country? Yes, there are those who have blood on their hands up to their shoulders, but the vast majority of the Ukrainian people are victims of a situation that simply cannot be dealt with. Someone flees to Russia or to the West. Someone takes up arms, like the inhabitants of Donbass, with the support of Moscow. Someone begins to lead an absolutely hopeless underground struggle, like Grubnik and his comrades, breaking their own lives. Someone, knowing that he is not a warrior, is silent and simply waits for the arrival of Russian troops.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 August 2022 13: 30
    -7
    any struggle against the Nazi regime from within, without direct and explicit support from Russia, was doomed from the outset.

    Here's how it turns out. There was an ordinary country, whose inhabitants said that they had only a few Nazis.
    Then several thousand overthrew the Yanukovych regime and immediately turned into a Nazi regime.
    Moreover, it is so powerful that it is already impossible to do anything on its own (40 million people). Only with the help of Russia.
    This is a country that had its own army, police and SBU. And how did it happen that a powerful Nazi regime suddenly appeared?

    I think that the reference to Russia is a translation of arrows, an attempt to find someone to blame on the side.
    All the inhabitants of the former Ukraine are not to blame for anything, and the Russians let them down again - they did not send help.
    This is a myth that they are trying to implant in our consciousness. To induce guilt.
    1. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 25 August 2022 13: 49
      +10
      The people really have not so many options against the state. To create a party and fight it against the institutions of power, following the example of the revolutionaries of the early 20th century, is a trick that is not often successful. By the way, it is not a fact that as a result of the revolution it will be better later. I’ll ask the author of the commentary a question: why didn’t the 100 million people of Russia overthrow the corrupt Yeltsin regime? After all, it was obvious that reformers like Chubais were ruining the country.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 August 2022 17: 43
        -4
        The people really have not so many options against the state.

        How, then, were the Nazis, who were very few, able to seize power and create such a regime when almost the entire population is afraid to fart without their permission ??
        There was a state. But there was no war or any disaster. And again, they overthrew the legitimate government and the Nazis established a powerful regime. That doesn't happen. Fairy tales are all. Lies.
        The oligarchs, with the support of a significant part of the population, created the Nazi regime.
        And they support it now. Of course not all. But very, very many. It is very likely that the majority.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 25 August 2022 20: 43
          +4
          There was a state. But there was no war or any disaster. And again, they overthrew the legitimate government and the Nazis established a powerful regime. That doesn't happen.

          And why do you, a priori, consider the people an active force opposing changes, or vice versa - supporting them? In Russia and Ukraine, it is still the Russian people, whose historical trait (or curse) was their passivity and inclination to look for a "good" tsar in the person of power. The Americans "brilliantly" took into account this feature of ours in the coups of 1991 in Moscow and 2014 in Kyiv, and made a "mutually destructive" combination out of these two parts of the Slavic people.
          They are going to use it now (why the "good" disappear) in order to "set fire" and bleed Europe. Make money on the war, get the resources of a bloodless Russia, remove your possible competitors and potential allies of China. Before the fight with himself
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          2. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
            Sidor Bodrov 26 August 2022 10: 50
            +2
            I fully agree that the key point is American intervention. And in the same way, you can accuse the population of the USSR of sitting on sofas in the early 90s. The most important task of the government of any state is to protect it from the destructive influence of political, ideological, financial, military and even economic from various US official and private circles. Any interaction with them leads to the loss of sovereignty and the collapse of the state and its leaders. There are more than enough examples in recent history, and the citizens of any country should cut it to their noses and react sharply and immediately to the actions of the leadership of the state, flirting with America, buying into some favorable conditions, promises and promises. It will not end well - "They lay softly, but sleep hard." The US should become a pariah state for the whole world. Today, Russia is clearing up the consequences of democratization with the light hand of the liberals of the new wave as a result of the weakness of betrayal and self-interest of the leadership of the USSR. And the running process is developing. The upcoming elections are an example of this. The electoral system is slipping into impersonal electronic voting at polling stations (in addition to voting in a personal account) and the complete loss of the ability to influence the electorate on the vector of the country's development.
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 August 2022 13: 33
    -3
    Petro Poroshenko went to the elections in 2014 with a promise to end the war in 2 weeks.

    Well, where was the Maidan, which would have removed Poroshenko?

    By the way, on the Maidan they made "decisions" that there would be no oligarchs in power. And here are those on!

    And why is NOT told about how France, Germany and Poland gave guarantees to Yanukovych. It's about who's to blame. To put it mildly, they deceived the fool. Under the sauce that they say - this is a revolution.

    To what extent are Ukrainians themselves to blame for all their troubles?
    West - 15%.
    "Elite" of the former Ukraine - 40%.
    Westerners, Nazis - 25%.
    Residents - 15%.

    Well, let's attribute 5% to Russia. I had to keep my finger on the pulse.
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 25 August 2022 13: 40
    +5
    In the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, more than 70% of citizens in Ukraine voted for the preservation. Everything else depended on power. Therefore, in Ukraine, in Russia, nothing depends on the people in the truest sense of the word. Only human revolt can put the brains of power in the right order. And that's not a fact. Example Furgal. And the authorities do not care about all the protests! I have been explaining for a long time that it is not necessary to go to the polls. There is nothing to provide extras. All the same, they will calculate the way the authorities need.
  4. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 25 August 2022 13: 49
    +5
    You can't just count back to 2014. Ukraine was made anti-Russia for 30 years. Of course, without the "leading role of the party" it is impossible to reverse the trend. And after 2014, it became deadly.
    Even before Poroshenko, the people of Ukraine voted for other presidents. Which brought the country to the Maidan.

    I agree that the whole people cannot be blamed. But there are now several million (!!!) people in Ukraine who are convinced that Bandera is their hero. And what to do with them?



    And now
    https://gordonua.com/publications/talashko-ischeznovenie-pamyatnika-bykovu-na-baykovom-kladbishche-ya-vosprinyal-kak-plevok-v-lico-nashey-kulture-131264.html
    For him, the heroes are Bandera and Petlyura.
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 25 August 2022 17: 33
      +4
      Quote: Bakht
      You can't just count back to 2014. Ukraine was made anti-Russia for 30 years.

      Sorry, Bakhtiyar, but I fundamentally disagree with you - it was Zap that became Anti-Russia. Ukraine-Galicia since 1914, according to the developments of the Austro-Hungarian General Staff, when from the Galicia-Volyn principality, through torture and repression, they made this very Anti-Russia out of the Rusyn-Slavic people there in spite of the Russian Empire, and in 1939 Stalin forcibly annexed this, hating the USSR education to our country, which to this day
      fiercely hates everything Russian-Slavic and Orthodox. I remember very well the days since November 21, 2013, when schoolchildren and students who want to take a break from their "couples", under the guidance of the Afghan priest Gapon Mustafa Nayyom and his brother, the idol of all the youth of Ukraine Vitaliy Klichka, decided to overthrow Yanukovych, because the Klitschko rating in the country was approaching 75%, and organized the Kyiv Maidan, and immediately various parties from UNA-UNSO, UPA, Svoboda, etc., etc., began to join them, and through a couple of days from Galicia, entire trains began to arrive with well-trained and armed Western militants, whose leaders immediately took the entire initiative to seize power into their own hands, not being afraid of killing thousands of people, or setting fire to half of Kyiv, or starting a civil war .... .And the flashing of the brains of ordinary Ukrainians in other areas began with Leonid Kuchma with his book "Ukraine is not Russia" since 2003, and since 2004, the beginning of the Orange "revolution", where, at his first speech, future President Viktor Yushche NKO declared Russia "enemy No. 1" for Ukraine .... That's just how a bunch of several thousand Bandera scumbags could bring forty million peaceful Ukrainian people to their knees, and make them a fierce hater of Russia, that is the question.
      Russia missed Ukraine by sending there "ambassadors" "accordion player" Chernomyrdin and "pharmacist" Zurabov, who, resting there like in Hawaii, did not lift a finger so that there would not be today's bacchanalia of bloody nationalism and the coming third world war, which is already slowly flaring up . And according to the latest data from Western analysts, Bandera is a hero for almost 8,5 million people.
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 25 August 2022 18: 06
        +1
        So what do you disagree on?
        With the fact that Ukraine was made anti-Russia for only 30 years?

        I know history well. Ukraine was created by the Austrians and the Germans and Poles. The anthem of Ukraine was written by a Pole. And he presents almost a copy of "Polska has not yet perished." I don’t know if it’s fake or not, but there was a verse in the original text

        Oh, Bogdan, Bogdan, our glorious hetman! On-scho v_ddav Ukraine Moskalyam poganim?! To return the honor, Let's lie down with our heads, Let's call Ukraine the Great Sins!
        Oh, Bogdan, Bogdan, our Glorious Hetman! Why did he give Ukraine to bad Muscovites?! To return her honor, Let's lie down with our heads, Let's call Ukraine Faithful sons!

        You can also recall Durnovo's note, submitted to Nicholas II before the war

        Quite the same with Galicia. For the sake of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, it is clearly unprofitable for us to attach to our homeland a region that has lost any living connection with it. After all, for an insignificant handful of Russians in the spirit of the Galicians, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainianized Uniates will we get? The so-called Ukrainian or Mazepa movement is not scary for us now, but we should not let it grow, increasing the number of restless Ukrainian elements, since in this movement there is an undeniable germ of extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism, which, under favorable conditions, can reach completely unexpected proportions.

        Or the words of General Hoffmann "Ukraine was created by me."

        Ukraine was made anti-Russian for a long time. With this I do not argue. It was originally created as anti-Russia. But to make Ukrainians out of 20-30 million Russians is not a hundred-year-old history. This has been done over the past 30 years. If Bandera is a hero for 8,5 million Ukrainians, then no one can name the number of Ukraine today. And no one will say what percentage it does either. And really, for 70 years, Soviet propaganda could not create Ukrainians as brothers for Russians? And they became brothers.
        As for several thousand people, this is quite enough to carry out any coup. Sociology is an interesting science, but who takes it seriously? The intelligence of the crowd is always lower than the intelligence of its constituent individuals. It is in the crowd that the most monstrous crimes are committed. And the crowd is never responsible for their actions. And a few dozen trained speakers and instigators can control a crowd of tens of thousands of people.
        I was in the crowd in Baku in 1990. This is terrible. I knew I had to get out before I turned into a beast. And the chants were stupid and led a crowd of idiots. But the psychosis was contagious. Gustave Lebon believed that "the spiritual infection of the crowd is precisely the infection. Similar to the infectious"
        1. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 25 August 2022 19: 46
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          And really, for 70 years, Soviet propaganda could not create Ukrainians as brothers for Russians? And they became brothers.

          I, Bakhtiyar, worked for almost 40 years in Norilsk, and Moldavians, Ossetians, Ukrainians came to us for a summer part-time job, and so in the year of the seventieth, of the last century, I met a guy from Western Ukraine, and somehow, over a glass of tea, we talked with him, and he told me that they Galicians will soon be at war with the Soviet Union, and they were accustomed to this from birth, and trained in paramilitary camps somewhere in the Carpathians. The next day I met him and asked him to explain about yesterday's conversation about the war with the USSR, to which he he grumbled at me that he was drunk, and made nonsense, and then he disappeared, apparently left, and I remembered this conversation already during the coup d'état in Ukraine, so something like this, Bakhtiyar, and it was 50 years ago, and the bestial to the USSR, and then to Russia, overpowered all 70 years of the so-called. brotherly friendship..
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 25 August 2022 21: 46
            +2
            Well, for example, after graduation I worked in Turkmenistan. And I also talked with a young specialist from Western Ukraine. They jokingly called him a Banderist. I didn't hear anything like that from him.
            But the Georgians were very aggressive. I have since come to believe that the biggest nationalists are the Georgians.
            There are different people.
      2. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 25 August 2022 18: 21
        +2
        https://topcor.ru/27670-podrostki-v-krymu-pozhelali-ukraine-skorejshej-peremogi-a-rossii-smerti.html

        Well, how to deal with it? They have hatred for Russia already in their blood. And the parents too. It's time to introduce the category of "non-citizens" following the example of the Baltic states. In Soviet times, this was called "defeat in rights." The ban on holding office, deprivation of the right to vote and a ban on admission to the institute. And also to occupy any government positions.
  5. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 25 August 2022 13: 57
    +1
    Thanks to the Author for a frank and thought-provoking article.
    I was a witness to the events of 1991, because I was constantly in Moscow on business trips, and in what is written, I saw a lot in common with those Moscow events.
    In fact, in Moscow then everything began with the struggle against "party privileges" launched by Yeltsin, unknown to almost anyone, and his Moscow supporters. The hysterical campaign captured then only Moscow. However, after the conspirators, with the participation of US special services, pushed back the Moscow leadership, the Soviet country complied with all the instructions of the new government. The main similarity is that both here and there, the people were left aside from the decisions made by the authorities, using their inexperience and gullibility.
    Now this is history and the opportunities missed by our leadership. Now we are changing the mentality of this people with our own hands in accordance with the plans of the United States and not in a better direction for ourselves.
    The task of the Americans is to turn Ukraine for Russia into a well-maintained road to the European war. Kindle it with our hands and weaken Europe in order to enslave. They themselves intend, if necessary, to finish off Russia and collect trophies
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 25 August 2022 20: 16
      +1
      I read what was written and the last element of the mosaic fell into place - the Maidan in Moscow in 1990 and the Maidan in Kyiv in 2014 - two parts of one plan. It continues to be implemented. In both countries, within the limits set by the States
  6. Neurocrop Offline Neurocrop
    Neurocrop (Alexander) 25 August 2022 13: 58
    +5
    Brilliant, Sergey! Not just correctly from the first to the last word, but extremely clearly, specifically and accurately stated. I affirm this with the rights of a person who was in Ukraine in 2014 (and who knows more about the damned "Maidan" than many) and who is there now.

    By accusing everyone en masse and indiscriminately and for everything, one can only deepen the abyss and give rise to new evil. There are those who have no forgiveness, but there are also those who have nothing to ask for forgiveness. And for those who undertake to "cut off the shoulder" and judge hastily, I advise you to try on the situation for yourself - and frankly, and not at the level of fantastic assumptions. Everything is much more complicated than the division into "black" and "white".

    Thanks again to the author for honesty, objectivity and depth of understanding of the issue
    1. Sydor Kovpak Online Sydor Kovpak
      Sydor Kovpak 25 August 2022 17: 41
      +2
      It was necessary to go wall to wall on the Maidan and start in Kyiv. But it turned out peaceful against the "Berkut" fought, that is, against the authorities. And if Maidan and antimaitad were cut, then the golden eagle would be what he is, law enforcers, period, they would beat everyone in a row like in football!!!! You have forgotten how the elite detachments of the "Berkut" and others stood on their knees. How were they humiliated? How many people took sticks and went to smash the Maidan? And how many were ready? I had friends who before lunch on the Maidan for 200 UAH. And from lunch on the anti-Maidan, too, for 200 UAH. How the hell is this? Thought everything would end like in 2005? Ride and go home .. That's all! Friends, at stake is Russia and the Ukrainian people, not the first and not the last who will suffer!!!! This is just the beginning!!!! The West flooded them with reason
  7. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 25 August 2022 15: 18
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    I agree that the whole people cannot be blamed. But there are now several million (!!!) people in Ukraine who are convinced that Bandera is their hero. And what to do with them?

    Before us is a broad method of educational measures. Especially violent ones will be buried, just violent ones will be sent to Poland for strawberries without the right to return, the rest will be shown 24 hours a day what the Azov people have done in the Donbass.
  8. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 25 August 2022 15: 23
    +3
    The whole ceremony ended with the fact that people did not learn how to run the country. That people didn't want to know the history and how it happened that Germany was unified. Indeed, back in 1944, at a meeting at the beginning of 1945, when the imperialists wanted to judge the entire German people, Stalin said that the Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain. Stalin was believed to have supporters all over the world. Now it's gone. After the coup and the dismemberment of the USSR, no one has what the USSR had, even when there was no Stalin. There is no faith in what remains after the coup and in the one whom the rassians chose. Everything has become exactly the same in Ukraine, and in descending order.
  9. Sydor Kovpak Online Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 25 August 2022 17: 21
    +1
    It all started in 2014! I hope everyone remembers how Yushchenko was pushed into the presidency, by any means. And dear author, do not forget that the pro-Russian president is not power yet. The Cabinet and the Rada were pro-Western almost all the time. Azarov N.Ya. in conjunction with Yanukovych, they were also not a great authority. And don't forget the SBU under Nalyvaichenko. As well as the oligarchs who also sang a pro-Western song and tore the country apart. The oligarchs should throw in money and they will shut up any president by the belt, take this into account too. The president in Ukraine is the wedding general of the essence! But to artificially create a deficit or a crisis, since perestroika, everyone knows how. And thereby piss people off. And one more argument. All Maidans began with social problems, and after a couple of days a stream of hatred towards Russia was already flowing, everyone was suddenly jumping, etc. ... it would seem, what is the connection? I understood what connection, others do not,..... Yes, 30000 thousand is not the whole of Ukraine, but it is indifferent to look at all this.... This is a fiasco!!!! The coolest position I DO NOT WATCH TV FOR ANYONE! There are facts, period. And if yes, if only, then we would then like oh ...... Do not forget the facts !!!!!
    We are all waiting for Navalny! The same Yushchenko!!! And the show goes on. Well, everything is as always. THE MIRROR IS NOT GUILTY!!! As a finale, the Nazis are in power, who are even more inciting the people against Russia. I hope everyone understands this soon!
  10. Balin Offline Balin
    Balin 25 August 2022 17: 21
    +1
    to start the story with the fact that UNA-UNSO (now ruling since 2014) in the 90s, together with 2,5 thousand militants from 52 countries, entered the territory of Chechnya (RF) and destroyed 31 thousand Russian citizens. Sasha Muzychka from the hands of Dudayev (both glassy earth) received an award for which he cut Rusnya.
  11. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 August 2022 17: 33
    +1
    The former Ukraine was corny bought. Told what nishtyaki give when joining the EU.
    So the people bought it. Like the main thing is to get into the EU, and so everyone succeeded in life at once - they throw money, like Poland and the Baltic states, Schengen and other joys of democracy.
    And just as Yanukovych only began to slow down the march to "happiness", he was immediately demolished.
    For nefig stand in the way of the people to a freebie.

    In theory, in such a situation, the local elite should have their say. But she didn't.
    The army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the SBU also had nothing against it. They were also promised a sweet life.
    In the end, Russia was to blame. She did not prevent the coming of the Nazis.

    However, there will be denazification, where the goats will be separated from the lambs. Who is to blame and what to do with them - will be decided by specially trained people. On an individual basis. What is right.
  12. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 25 August 2022 18: 21
    +2
    There is no truth in the fact that the citizens of the post-Soviet state formations are to blame for what is happening, because the origins of the present are in the past, and the past is career apparatchiks in leading positions in the party and government, Yeltsin's betrayal, the ideological struggle against socialism, the destruction of the proletarian organizational structure, the collapse of the USSR, the formation nationalist governments, the restoration of capitalism, interethnic conflicts and wars.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 25 August 2022 22: 02
      +1
      There is no truth in the fact that the citizens of the post-Soviet state entities are to blame for what is happening

      I think that this question needs some justification.
      In my opinion, everything depends on the historically determined degree of participation of a given people in decision-making by the country's leadership. This is the degree of participation - and there is a degree of joint responsibility with the authorities of the people, accepted by them "in life."
      The Russian people, for example, have always been historically passive. Only the Bolsheviks managed to stir him up and involve him in governing the country. This demanded from the party, which had become part of the people, constant concern for its activity and died out along with the party. Now the people are again passive, which means that they do not participate in decision-making by the authorities, and are not responsible for their actions. I think the same is the case in Ukraine. The multi-party system on our "soil" is a lifeless, fake formation. There is nothing good in this autonomy of power from the people, of course, neither for the country nor for its people - no
      1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
        Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 25 August 2022 23: 47
        +1
        1. The participation of individuals in the public and political life of any organization or state entity is determined by the senior head or ruling class of the state entity.
        2. Class society predetermines the struggle of the oppressed classes with their oppressors, and in this the Russian people were not passive - open any school history textbook.
        3. The people are passive when they are "full, drunk and nose in tobacco." In times of crisis, the socially accepted level of income is violated, class contradictions are aggravated, the need of the oppressed classes is intensified, which leads to a spontaneous increase in the activity of the masses.
        4. In nature, there are only two social classes - the oppressors and the oppressed.
        The main purpose of a multi-party system is to divide the oppressed and prevent them from uniting in the fight against the oppressors - divide and rule.
  13. mister-red Offline mister-red
    mister-red 25 August 2022 19: 27
    -1
    The author is right in part. I understand that the wording is clumsy, only it is true.
    This is not the question at all. And the fact that they justify all this - the Maidan, on May 2 in Odessa, Yanukovych fled - but they could have killed him - well, they would have done the right thing, the separatists must be wetted or let them leave for Russia and much more. To be honest, on February 24, I understood the word densification in a completely different way and did not attribute it to ordinary people. I was mistaken, everyone's brains were fucked up.
  14. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 25 August 2022 19: 35
    +1
    In his historical presentation, and in relation to the behavior of the majority of Ukrainians, the respected Author is absolutely right.
    But he downplays the responsibility of ... the Russian Federation, which - unlike the prosperous EU - has not become a desirable target for ordinary Ukrainians. Therefore, no one systemically resisted the Ukrainian radicals!
    The same V.Yanukovych could use force. But then an economic hole awaited him, and as a result: a trial for the execution of the Maidan. He chose to run away!
    If you look at the root: the economic causes of today's problems are creeping out everywhere.
    And as we see: to solve them by force, after all, it does not work!
  15. Zenn Offline Zenn
    Zenn (Andrei) 25 August 2022 21: 23
    0
    The article is simply a translation of German newspapers after May 1945 - I didn’t kill Jews, it’s all the Gestapo, but I just kicked a naked Jewish woman a couple of times while she was being driven down the street. We did not know that the Nazis were killing civilians in the USSR, and this was said by a man who a few months ago kept Slavic slaves on his farm.
    The author simply covers the supposedly "innocent Ukrainians", apparently, and the feeling of his own guilt gnaws.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 26 August 2022 08: 04
      -1
      It's still ahead. All residents of the former Ukraine will be innocent (according to them).
      And the media will write about the wine of Russia. She overlooked, did not counteract, and yes, in general, Russia is always to blame.
      All responsibility will fall on the dead. Like, here they were Nazis, and all the rest are kind, sweet white rabbits who are for world peace.
      One thing pleases - during the denazification there will be millions of denunciations from the inhabitants of the former Ukraine. Especially if our authorities think to pay for information about Nazi activities.
      All denunciations will be written in Russian.
  16. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 26 August 2022 08: 11
    +1
    haha
    The classics have long answered this question. The problem is that the classics are nothing, PR is everything.

    Ukrainians themselves are to blame for all their troubles ...

    The non-commissioned officer's widow flogged herself ....

    But in real life, both Strelkov and the Duma deputies mentioned that Russian oligarchs, much richer, invested in TAM nationalism, but about this, (who, what, when) - no, no
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 27 August 2022 02: 12
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      But in real life, both Strelkov and the Duma deputies mentioned that Russian odigarchi, much richer, invested in TAM nationalism, but about this, (who, what, when) - no, no

      But were these oligarchs really Russian? Our "well-wisher" Bzezhinsky turned out to be right here, all these Berezovskys, Khodorkovskys and others ... they are not Russian at all, they are American.
  17. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 26 August 2022 08: 39
    0
    Yes, it is clear that 60-85% of the population has nothing to do with it. But they voted for independence in 1991, all the same. I personally voted against. It was necessary to think with the head, not with the stomach. And there was still a general attitude to betray Russia for the Western Snickers.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 26 August 2022 09: 09
      -2
      Until 2014 - 85% nothing to do with it.
      Until 2022 - 60% has nothing to do with it.
      Now - 20% has nothing to do with it.
      1.11.22 - 15% nothing to do with it.
  18. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 26 August 2022 10: 20
    +2
    Svidomo Ukrainian looks like this - arms, legs, head, in the middle is a bastard.
    There will be no Ukrainians, there will be no problems with Ukrainians.
    Russian people living on Russian lands were inspired that they were some kind of Ukrainians.
    And speech. Well. In Russia, many speak with an accent. You will understand many people in general.
    After the release, the passports with the trident are to be confiscated, and the Russian ones are issued, where it will be written to the Russians in white that its owner is Russian.
    And then try to prove the opposite.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 26 August 2022 10: 24
      +2
      Stalin was Russian, but Khrushchev was not.
  19. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 26 August 2022 18: 18
    +1
    YELTSIN - where is your center?
  20. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 26 August 2022 21: 58
    0
    ... genius and villainy

    Two things are incompatible. Not true:
    And Bonarotti? Or is it a fairy tale
    Dumb, senseless crowd - and was not
    The murderer of the creator of the Vatican?


    A With Pushkin

    Without God, a nation is a crowd
    United by vice
    Or blind, or stupid,
    Or, even worse, is cruel.

    And let any one rise to the throne
    High syllable
    The crowd will remain a crowd
    Until he turns to God!


    8 1990 of August
    village of Kyarovo Hieromonk Roman Matyushin......

    Don't be afraid of enemies - they can only kill; do not be afraid of friends - they can only betray; be afraid of indifferent people - it is with their tacit consent that all the most terrible crimes in the world occur. … People, I loved you. Be carefull!

    Julius Fucik

    the people of Ukraine are not so much to blame for the fact that they are a crowd, like most peoples of the world, .... they are to blame now, and not yesterday, for shooting at Russian soldiers
    1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
      Grei grin (Gray Grin) 28 August 2022 23: 32
      -1
      and if they come to us, a Russian soldier will also shoot at them, as they say, the gentlemen swear, and the serfs crack their forelocks!
  21. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 28 August 2022 23: 30
    0
    The same scenario as in Ukraine since the collapse of the USSR, when everyone sat on the sofas (there was no Internet yet) and watched Swan Lake, and then everything is the same, only we don’t have Nazis and Bandera, but Vlasov’s raised their heads and very rise high! Soros did well here in Russia too, school textbooks alone are worth something, and our children are now learning from them!
  22. Anatoly Porotnikov (Anatoly Porotnikov) 2 September 2022 20: 30
    0
    Rafiq is not winouat in anything.)))