Where does the “red line” pass, after which the Zelensky regime is recognized as a terrorist


As expected, the criminal Kyiv regime, not being able to "de-occupy" the South-East of Ukraine by military force, switched to the tactics of terrorism. To the generously scattered anti-personnel mines "Lepestok" and artillery shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, continuously increasing air strikes on Crimea have now been added. The "icing on the cake" was the message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that weapons of mass destruction were used by the enemy against Russian servicemen.


Involuntarily, one has to wonder if these very “red lines” exist at all, after crossing which the regime of President Zelensky will be officially recognized by the Kremlin as terrorist and destroyed? Where do they go?

Remember when we predictedthat Kyiv will systematically “nightmare” the territories of the former Independent, as well as the directly bordering Russian regions, liberated by the RF Armed Forces, this caused anger among some of our respected readers. Unfortunately, it could not be otherwise. The Kyiv regime is essentially no different from ISIS (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation), and its methods of intimidation are exactly the same. On the rights of black humor, the quasi-state formation on this territory can be called "UGIL" (Ukrainian State of Ivano-Frankivsk and Lvov, not banned in the Russian Federation). However, Russia is uncompromisingly fighting against the “ISIS” in friendly Syria, but with the leader of the “Ugilovites” Zelensky, our militarypolitical the leadership calmly concludes deals, like “grain”, and periodically declares its desire to negotiate peace on its own terms.

Alas, it is precisely the absence of clearly defined “red lines” that continuously leads to the degradation of the situation at the fronts and in the minds of people on both sides of it. Note that we touched on this topic on December 7, 2021, reasoning about why the Russian policy of "red lines" does not work.

The “red line” or “red line” (from the English red line) that cannot be “crossed” is in politics the designation of the limit of patience of one of the parties, a position in violation of which “security is no longer guaranteed”.

This policy approach has both its strengths and its weaknesses. Having clearly outlined the limit of patience, when the enemy performs predetermined actions, one can severely punish for this with all the might of the Armed Forces, so as not to be in the habit. The weakness lies in the fact that all actions performed before the “red line” are de facto legalized. What do we see today in Ukraine?

If we analyze everything that has happened over the past 8+ years, it becomes obvious that there are almost no specific “red lines” visible there. The Ukrainian Nazis began their bloody path to power in 2014 with the provocative executions of innocent people on the Maidan, the ritual burning of pro-Russian-minded Odessans alive on May 2 in the House of Trade Unions, and the brutal massacre of Mariupol residents on May 9 of the same year. Was it a “red line”, or was the spilled blood still not enough for military intervention and the elimination of the criminal regime in Kyiv in the bud? In fact, it turned out that it wasn't.

Then why, one wonders, they dragged on for 8 years before intervening in the armed conflict in the Donbass? Was it not enough that Donetsk is being shot from heavy artillery on a regular basis? Was there not enough of the "Gorlivka Madonna" and the continuously growing "Walk of Angels", which symbolizes all the innocent children killed by the Ukrainian military? And even today, six months after the start of the special operation, the capital of the DPR is being shelled even harder than before, and its streets are covered with anti-personnel mines, on which ordinary people are killed or maimed. Why does President Zelensky remain a handshake partner with whom it is possible and necessary to negotiate?

And what about the artillery shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, an accident at which could lead to radiation contamination of the area and the Kakhovka reservoir, which would automatically leave Crimea again without water? By the way, what about Crimea? Cut off his energy supply and cut off water supplies for 8 years - was it a “red line” or is it normal?

Is an air attack or artillery shelling of the Belgorod, Bryansk or Kursk regions crossing the invisible "red line"? What about mining with anti-personnel mines not only in Donetsk or Energodar, but also in the Russian Belgorod region? Sabotage by Ukrainian DRGs against the infrastructure of the Kursk NPP - is this already a "red line" or should we wait for a radiation accident?

And explosions at military airfields and air bases in Crimea - is it the crossing of the "red line"? And already the second in a row, moreover, the successful attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of UAVs on the Headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol? If the Crimean Bridge is damaged as a result of sabotage by the Ukrainian special services, what will be the reaction of the Kremlin? Will this be enough to recognize the Zelensky regime as terrorist?

Is the use of weapons of mass destruction against Russian servicemen in the Zaporizhia region a crossing of the "red line", as the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said on the eve of:

Against the backdrop of military defeats in the Donbass and other regions, the Zelensky regime authorized terrorist acts using chemical poisons against Russian military personnel and civilians. On July 31... Russian servicemen performing tasks in the area of ​​the village of Vasilyevka, Zaporozhye region, were taken to a military hospital with signs of severe poisoning. As a result of the survey, a poisonous substance, botulinum toxin type "B", was found in the body of military personnel.

I wonder if this is already enough, or should we first wait until Ukrainian terrorists use a chemical warfare agent, spraying it from drones somewhere over the cities of the Azov region, Crimea, or the Russian regions bordering with Nezalezhnaya? So do these “red lines” exist at all, and if so, where exactly do they go?

It looks like in version there is something about the fact that our troops rushed so swiftly to Gostomel at the very beginning of the special operation to capture the nuclear explosive devices transferred by the British to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This event is very much out of the general scheme. If this is true, then here is the answer to the question of where that “red line” can pass. Weapons of mass destruction. I would like to believe that after the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the use of chemical warfare agents by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the attitude towards Kyiv will finally begin to change.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 12: 08
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    But do these same “red lines” exist at all, after crossing which the regime of President Zelensky will be officially recognized by the Kremlin as terrorist and destroyed?

    Do you need some formal reasons to destroy the Kyiv regime?
    Like, until a conference has been held and Kyiv has not been officially recognized as a terrorist, then it is impossible to destroy it?
    Weird. It has been clear to smart people (including those in Kyiv) for several months now that the former Ukraine will be destroyed.
    Therefore, it is foolish to waste time and energy on some ridiculous movements.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 August 2022 12: 41
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      Do you need some formal reasons to destroy the Kyiv regime?
      Like, until a conference has been held and Kyiv has not been officially recognized as a terrorist, then it is impossible to destroy it?

      And what, when will they destroy it specifically?

      Weird. It has been clear to smart people (including those in Kyiv) for several months now that the former Ukraine will be destroyed.

      As a self-deprecating person, you need to put a lot of emoji after calling yourself smart and making your predictions so that everyone knows where to laugh
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 13: 00
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        So you think that the former Ukraine will not be destroyed?
        I understood you correctly?
        My prediction - will be destroyed. Do you think this is a funny prediction?
        So say it clearly and understandably, and do not wag your tail, saying that you do not make predictions.
        You constantly do. But in such a way that without specifics.

        About when - according to my forecast - before the start of winter.
        And what do you think? Yeah, specifically, how you like to ask others.
        You are a coward to make specific predictions. I say - too high a sense of self-importance.
        1. Corsair Offline Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 21 August 2022 15: 34
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          former Ukraine will not be destroyed?

          The question is not - "it will not happen" but in the so-called "red lines" and the aspirations that the "global public" recognizes something there ...

          Does a sovereign and self-sufficient country not care about this?

          Maybe you should realize your right to decide for yourself what is good and what is bad without looking back?
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 15: 55
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            The West recognizes only force.
            And the lines ... - yes, at least sketch. Whatever the child would not amuse, if only she would not climb into world politics.
            1. Corsair Offline Corsair
              Corsair (DNR) 21 August 2022 16: 18
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              Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
              The West recognizes only force.

              And at the moment, Russia, in the face of its power, is demonstrating powerlessness in front of a non-terrorist state.
              1. GIS Online GIS
                GIS (Ildus) 21 August 2022 16: 39
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                In what exactly do you think impotence manifests itself /?
                1. guest Offline guest
                  guest 22 August 2022 00: 19
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                  Already near Moscow, Ukraine arranges terrorist attacks, but there is no answer from Russia to this.
                  1. GIS Online GIS
                    GIS (Ildus) 22 August 2022 07: 24
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                    Are you sure that this is a terrorist act of the Ukrainian special services?
                    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
                      Bulanov (Vladimir) 22 August 2022 10: 13
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                      At one time, the journalist Sheremet was eliminated in Kyiv in a similar way. Who eliminated, no need to tell?
                      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
                        Corsair (DNR) 22 August 2022 19: 25
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                        Quote: Bulanov
                        At one time, the journalist Sheremet was eliminated in Kyiv in a similar way. Who eliminated, no need to tell?

                        Some people need to "chew" what you wrote, because they "do not know" that Sheremeta eliminated the SBU with the hands of "anti-terrorist operation participants".
                        According to the information of the hacker groups that "dug up the information", the suspect
                        in the murder of Dugina, a citizen of Ukraine, she was a soldier of one of the units of the Azov National Regiment ...
                      2. GIS Online GIS
                        GIS (Ildus) 23 August 2022 07: 41
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                        I read it today and listened to it on the radio ... now it’s not clear to me how, having so much information on hand, our bodies “let through” them. after all, there are many means of verification used by the National Guard throughout the country ... or not?
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  2. vik669 Offline vik669
    vik669 (vik669) 21 August 2022 13: 41
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    Yes, of course, it’s bad to be stupid - when it’s been clear to smart people (including in Kyiv) for several months that the former Ukraine will be destroyed, that is, either the donkey will die or the padishah will die, but when this is a question question and Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat - behind Vladivostok!
  3. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 25 August 2022 21: 35
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    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster. They already have everything. They can recognize Ukraine as a terrorist one, Zelensky’s koknut, and then it will be like the Nazis wanted to woo the West. After all, Hitler said that this is not a normal and real union, it can quickly fall apart, we need to hold on and they will start a war among themselves.
  4. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 26 August 2022 07: 37
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    Here Ukraine, as it were, has nothing to do with it at all, the Anglo-Saxons rule there.
  • GIS Online GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 21 August 2022 12: 09
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    Then why, one wonders, did they drag out 8 years before intervening in the armed conflict in the Donbass?

    This expression has already set the teeth on edge with many. and repeating this Sergey, does not make you better than all the other "all-weapons".
    the answer is simple: they were not ready for this at the time.
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 21 August 2022 12: 23
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      This is the fault of the rulers. And you have to be ready for anything at all times. That's why it and the Government, in order to look five steps ahead and be ready.
      1. GIS Online GIS
        GIS (Ildus) 21 August 2022 16: 41
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        tomorrow you need to build a three-storey house - yourself, without equipment, from logs. you are ready?
        you are the head of your family. so. so you MUST BE READY FOR IT.
        tell me how to prepare, cook this and that. it means "not ready"
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 21 August 2022 17: 01
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          Replica. And you planned how to build a house, - you decided in the evening, and we build it in the morning ... They build a house, first ahead of time, a year, or even three, a decision to build, and then collect everything - money, materials, builders - this is to your statement. The government creates long-term plans for a decade, specific plans for five years, taking into account everything, including military-political components. In the Russian Federation, what do you want from a prime minister who is a specialist in computer technology, he only professionally establishes computer accounting in the state, he is not a specialist in economics and politics, there is not enough education and practice ... Morei-Borey is right in this, many in the management of the Russian Federation occupy not their "chairs". That's why the results are...
          1. GIS Online GIS
            GIS (Ildus) 21 August 2022 17: 10
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            and I said the same thing when I wrote that they were not ready. Mishustin was also not prime minister until 2014
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 August 2022 12: 35
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      This expression has already set the teeth on edge with many. and repeating this Sergey, does not make you better than all the other "all-weapons".

      And I, as few people have the right to ask for it. Because I personally predicted everything that is happening now in May 2015 and wrote for 8 years, warning that Kyiv should not be allowed to strengthen, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine should not be underestimated. Nobody listened to me, and here is the result.

      the answer is simple: they were not ready for this at the time.

      Yeah, 8 years of preparation. I don't need to tell stories.
      Nothing was prepared. They were preparing to give the DNR and LNR to Kyiv and live happily ever after. That's the whole truth.
    3. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 13: 40
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      Quote: GIS
      weren't ready for this at the time

      Yes, we weren't ready. They weren't ready then for what's going on now. And according to the military themselves, if they used force when Ukraine actually did not have an army, when its remnants were ground in boilers in the Donbass, when the population of Ukraine itself asked Moscow for help, when the population of Ukraine was ready to meet the Russian soldier with songs and dances, with bread and salt and a friendly bottle of moonshine, as true liberators, then they would have already forgotten about all the problems associated with Hohlonazism. Yes, I would not have received sanctions for this (although it may well be less), but they would have been on horseback and do not care about everything else.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 13: 49
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        the population of Ukraine was ready to meet the Russian soldier with songs and dances, with bread and salt and a friendly bottle of moonshine, as true liberators

        All these illusions do not fit well with what was in reality. But in reality, the speeches of the pro-Russian forces in Odessa and Kharkov were crushed. This is in the "pro-Russian" regions. I'm not talking about Kyiv or Lviv. Donetsk and Luhansk retained only a small part of the territory of the regions.
        So somewhere, yes, they would be greeted with bread and salt, and 90% of the territory would have to fight.
        And not the current army of the 2022 model, but the one that was in 2014.
        Meanwhile, remember the year 2008 and the existing problems of our army in Georgia.
        Do I need to tell anyone that Ukraine is somewhat different from Georgia militarily?
        They would throw hats in 2014. Sure sure.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 14: 38
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          All these illusions do not fit well with what was in reality.

          Well, you know better from Irkutsk, I don’t argue. And we, who live on the border with Ukraine, are blind and stupid.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Meanwhile, remember 2008 and the existing problems of our army in Georgia

          There was only one main problem - the war ended too quickly. And this was not affected by either the most organized communication or the inconsistency of actions.
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 15: 16
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            Well, yes, the one who lives nearby knows everything. And from the Crimea to Lvov. He is in close relationship with thousands of different people in the territory of the former Ukraine. And, of course, he sniffed the vodka and examined the flowers with which they were going to greet the Russians.

            But numbers are strange. 90,32% for leaving the USSR. With a turnout of 84,18%.
            And the OFFICIAL return of Bandera since 1990.
            A certain Yury Podolyaka tells how, as a schoolboy, he was already turned into a nationalist.
            Probably lying, in fact, everyone was saving moonshine to meet the Russians.
            1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
              k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 16: 26
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              Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
              But numbers are strange. 90,32% for leaving the USSR. With a turnout of 84,18%.

              Maybe we can also remember how the point of view of Bohdan Khmelnitsky won at the Pereyaslav Rada? And how sideways are the numbers of 91 by 2014? You are yelling everywhere that Russia has been preparing for this war for 8 years, i.e. changed, but you completely refuse to notice that Ukraine has changed a lot in the 25 post-referendum years. Aren't you tired of pulling an owl on a globe? Especially since you are citing numbers on the independence referendum. But you ALWAYS forget to mention that in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR in the same Ukraine, more than 70% of those who voted for the preservation of the Union, which took place a little earlier, voted.
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 16: 33
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                And how sideways are the numbers of 91 by 2014?

                And such that the farther from the 91st year, the more nationalism.
                I don’t remember the exact figures, but after 91 the percentage of Russians in Ukraine began to fall sharply, and Ukrainians began to grow sharply.
                That is, the attitude in 1991 was the most friendly towards Russia.
                And then it gets worse and worse.
                1991 is the starting point.

                Aren't you tired of pulling an owl on a globe?

                Have you given at least one argument?
                1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                  k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 16: 47
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                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  Have you given at least one argument?

                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  I don't remember the exact numbers.

                  Is this an argument?

                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  And then it gets worse and worse

                  And this, as I understand it, is also an argument?
        2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 August 2022 07: 10
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          All these illusions do not fit well with what was in reality. But in reality, the speeches of the pro-Russian forces in Odessa and Kharkov were crushed. This is in the "pro-Russian" regions. I'm not talking about Kyiv or Lviv. Donetsk and Luhansk retained only a small part of the territory of the regions.

          Resistance was asked there only because the Kremlin itself refused to support them, replacing the Russian spring with the Crimean one.

          And not the current army of the 2022 model, but the one that was in 2014.
          Meanwhile, remember the year 2008 and the existing problems of our army in Georgia.
          Do I need to tell anyone that Ukraine is somewhat different from Georgia militarily?
          They would throw hats in 2014. Sure sure.

          In 2014, our army was quite decent. Kyiv did not have it at all. It was precisely that they threw it with hats and boiled it in many boilers in the Donbass. There was no one to fight with 8 years ago.
          This is an objective fact.
        3. guest Offline guest
          guest 23 August 2022 21: 43
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          But in 2014, the Ukrainian army was in a more deplorable state than it is now, and most importantly, it did not have Western weapons. With the Ukrainian army of 2014, some Russian unfortunate strategists intended to fight, but now.
      2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 August 2022 12: 24
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        I think there would be almost no sanctions at all. Why include them at all? If you send troops at the request of the legitimate President Yanukovych, the blessing of the petition was in hand.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 23 August 2022 21: 48
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          There would be sanctions, but they are still there.
    4. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 August 2022 14: 22
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      judging by the course of the CBO, are they now very ready? do not make me laugh
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 14: 35
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        Judging by the CBO, yes, they are much better prepared now. Calibers, for example, are used en masse.
        You see, I do not operate with ideal concepts. "Very ready" is just such - for teenagers.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 August 2022 07: 07
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          Yeah, Caliber .... And drones, and Almaty, and much more.
          You better tell me, self-ironic, in 2014 against whom these Calibers should have been used? The Armed Forces of Ukraine were few in number and unfit for combat, they were ground in several boilers in the Donbass with ease.
        2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 22 August 2022 16: 58
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          you, sickly, judging by your opuses, you only know how to vang, and this is by no means an ideal concept, but iksperd and Onalytic are none of you at all
    5. aslanxnumx Online aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 21 August 2022 19: 29
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      And now they were ready.
  • Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 21 August 2022 12: 12
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    If, after today's terrorist attack in the MOSCOW REGION, Ukraine is not recognized as a terrorist state and the border with Russia, especially in Crimea, is tightly closed, Putin can only wait for explosions in the Kremlin.
    I still think that some kind of reaction will follow because Dugin is a person close to Putin
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 16: 32
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      Have you already conducted an investigation and found the organizers and performers?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 16: 45
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        Let those who deserve it seek.
        And the response can be demonstrated.
        For example, there are three foreigners sentenced to death in the DPR.
        And so - to carry out the sentence.
        And among the prisoners there are a lot of those on whom there is nowhere to put samples.
        Conduct a trial. Give a 10-20 death sentence.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 17: 46
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Let those who deserve it seek

          Undoubtedly. Just let's not draw premature conclusions and run ahead of the locomotive.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          And the response can be shown

          May I ask, for whom? Or are we going to blame everything on the war now? So what? Convenient! Especially criminals of all stripes will be happy with this.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 23 August 2022 21: 50
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      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      Dugin is a person close to Putin

      Do not listen to this Western propaganda.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 12: 14
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    Alas, it is precisely the absence of clearly defined “red lines” that continuously leads to the degradation of the situation on the fronts and in the minds of people on both sides of it.

    Alas, it is still not clear to some that Kyiv crossed the "red lines" even before 24.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    And there is no point in any new "red lines". Absolutely.
    Whatever the Nazis do, the result will be the same.
    And the fact that some people have degradation in their minds is not Putin's fault.

    And negotiations are needed. Exchange of prisoners, terms of surrender, etc.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 12: 19
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    And even today, six months after the start of the special operation, the capital of the DPR is being shelled even harder than before, and its streets are covered with anti-personnel mines, on which ordinary people are killed or maimed.

    Yes Yes. If we recognize the Kyiv regime as a terrorist one, the shelling will immediately stop.
    And of course, the West will agree with us and stop supporting Kyiv.
    How did our authorities not guess that it was necessary to do drawing? The Armed Forces of Ukraine would have given up long ago, and Zelensky, on his knees, would have asked for forgiveness.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 August 2022 12: 36
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      How did our authorities not guess that it was necessary to do drawing? The Armed Forces of Ukraine would have given up long ago, and Zelensky, on his knees, would have asked for forgiveness.

      The answer is simple. They do not want to draw and take responsibility. That's all.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 12: 43
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        Before you draw a red line and declare it publicly, you need to be able to punish the offender. Just talk about red lines - this is the style of China.
        It is better to bomb and destroy without any public statements.
        At the moment, only the United States can adequately draw red lines.
        And we still need to learn and grow up. Which is what RF is doing now, without all the hassle of red lines.
        1. GIS Online GIS
          GIS (Ildus) 21 August 2022 16: 38
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          iiieeeeehhhh ... again they will not understand you. not the computer is played there by our aircraft,
          Well, they couldn’t mean in 2014, the Armed Forces were not ready for this (I don’t say anything about the economy)
          and now I don’t see that our troops would have a “shell hunger”: they are bombing and bombing ukrov, and then, in 2014, they could provide such a thing - this is only the supreme and the General Staff of the Armed Forces and they know. and if they know, then they act according to what is available.
          1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 August 2022 07: 02
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            In 2014, Ukraine did not have an army, Russia did. There would be no war, there would only be an entry into the territory led by the legitimate president Yanyk. There would not be even a hundredth of today's sanctions.
            1. GIS Online GIS
              GIS (Ildus) 22 August 2022 07: 24
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              I will not argue. But what is done is already done. I repeat: it means that in 2014 they believed that they were not ready for such a development of events. Unfortunately, the General Staff of the Armed Forces does not share information with me so that I can prove it to you. what is there ... some guesses for me, and for you
              1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 August 2022 12: 25
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                In 2014, they just wanted to take Crimea and agree on its legalization and pushing the LDNR back through Medvedchuk. Nobody wanted to fight at all.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 23 August 2022 21: 56
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      Of course, only admitting it will not help much, but if they finally start treating Ukraine as it should be for terrorists, then a lot will change. Financing terrorists by paying for transit will then become problematic.
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 21 August 2022 12: 26
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    Ukraine as a sovereign state has been gone for a long time. Now this is an American toy, worse than ISIS.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 12: 28
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    If the Crimean Bridge is damaged as a result of sabotage by the Ukrainian special services, what will be the reaction of the Kremlin?

    If you are waiting for an answer that a nuclear strike will be carried out on Kyiv, then you have NOT guessed right.

    There will be nothing.
    More precisely, not so. There will be nothing apart from what is being done by our army now.
    They don’t sit in the Kremlin and they won’t fall for populist nonsense.
    There will be NO urgent assaults, there will be NO unscheduled missile strikes, there will be NO public threats from serious people.
    The former Ukraine will be destroyed slowly, according to plan, with minimal losses both in people and financially. The dogs bark, the caravan moves on.
  • viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 21 August 2022 12: 35
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    Where ? Along the Moscow River.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 21 August 2022 12: 54
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    Yeah. But before writing different things, it would be good to look at the definition of "terrorist state" on the Internet. And straight to the points to disassemble.
    And since not a single author of many articles is about this, then purely good wishes come out ...

    Janitor Vasya even tomorrow can declare them Terrorists, but will anyone listen to him, except for drinking buddies?

    Threat. What they don’t blame the presidents for - and the Boeing personally helped shoot down, and personally scatters the petals, and sells all the black earth, and ran over the hill several times ...
    But in fact, Endogan, who personally ordered to shoot down our plane (in addition, convicted of helping terrorists) is a "strategic partner"
  • zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 21 August 2022 12: 56
    -1
    Of course! You can destroy the entire top that is visible now, but the roots will all remain and the puppeteers will remain - what to do next with what will come out later? It is possible now to act infinitely tough, but this will only embitter those who still believe the Ukrainian liars.
    My opinion is that measured, constant destruction will bear more fruit than the reckless lightning-fast responses that we are provoked to.
    Information war - here we need a complete victory, and she, like the truth, is somewhere nearby.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 13: 07
      -4
      You can destroy the entire top.

      How? We're not in the movies.
      Who is in the decision making group? How to get them? Or hit with rockets at random - what if we hit?
      How many of our people must die for this annihilation?
      How do we know that we have achieved our goals?
      Again. We are not in the cinema. It's all easy and obvious.
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 23 August 2022 22: 00
        +2
        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        How do we know that we have achieved our goals?

        Well, it's very easy to go online and see that there are no new videos from Zelensky, Arestovich and other Bandera people.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 21 August 2022 13: 16
    +3
    For Ukraine, unlike the Russian Federation, there are no restrictive lines, because the whole world recognizes the borders of the post-Soviet state formations at the time of the signing of the Bialowieza agreements, i.e. within the administrative boundaries of the USSR and is not going to revise.
    After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation declared itself the legal successor of the USSR and all post-Soviet state formations did their best to distance themselves from the Russian Federation and the West did not have to make almost any effort to do this - they themselves, including the Russian Federation, imposed themselves as friends and partners to the EU and NATO. Some provided US military transport transit to Afghanistan, others provided military bases, and the proposal to create a single space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean and an air defense system is similar in its surrealism to the current ultimatum of NATO returning to the 1979 borders. So the expansion and advancement of NATO to the east was predetermined by the collapse of the USSR and it is impossible to stop it, just as it is impossible to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine without depriving it of its statehood, which is possible through complete occupation or division with NATO=EU members - Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania. Turkey apparently also does not mind taking part in this, bearing in mind the Crimean Khanate.
  • vik669 Offline vik669
    vik669 (vik669) 21 August 2022 13: 27
    +1
    Whoever admits that - those who said Somoza, of course, are a scoundrel, but he is our scoundrel!
  • sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 21 August 2022 13: 48
    0
    Ztm weapons were used, what to expect?
  • zloybond Online zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 21 August 2022 14: 28
    +5
    I feel our intelligent politicians and the military do not recognize the Outskirts as terrorists, even if they begin to tear people to pieces and eat them in front of everyone. Everyone needs some sort of formality. The Americans recognize in two clicks, publish a deck of cards and start bombing everyone who stands nearby in support. With us - well, what are you - we are not like that. We are civilized. What kind of swindlers make decisions. hi
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 21 August 2022 14: 47
      -5
      Quote: zloybond
      if they start in front of everyone to tear people to pieces and eat them

      This is not terrorism. This is cannibalism. Feel the difference. wink
    2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 15: 22
      -5
      publish a deck of cards and start bombing everyone who stands nearby in support.

      Exactly, exactly. So be it. Grabbed a map - and let's bomb everything. To not stand next to each other.
      Whether it's worth supporting or not, it doesn't matter. The main thing is to bomb the whole map. At least 500 thousand square meters. km.
      Let them know. There is nothing to eat people without moonshine and on weekdays.
  • Tsarev Offline Tsarev
    Tsarev (Maxim Tsarev) 21 August 2022 15: 17
    +6
    I read the article and the comments....
    It is sad.
    UAV over Sevastopol is no way.
    DRG on our territory is a complete ...
    About the state - are you aware that Aidar was recognized as a terrorist organization only last month? Why wait another 8 years?
    I am becoming paranoid from a patriot.
    Thanks for everything going according to plan.
    And yes, I forgot Latvia ... a complete scribe.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 15: 50
      -7
      Don't cry baby. We all understand perfectly well that you are not a patriot. And, moreover, not paranoid.
      Shit just happens. Today your mother didn't allow you to eat candy, and yesterday Latvia turned out to be a thin scribe. When you grow up, you will eat these candies in boxes. And we all together, in chorus, will call Latvia with bad words "Terrorist organization". And let's put some red lines all over her arrogant red muzzle. Let's not wait 8 years. And we will give you a UAV for your birthday.
      Don't cry baby. Everything will be fine.
  • Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 21 August 2022 18: 32
    +2
    Are they waiting until the Zaporizhzhya NPP is blown up? What for?
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 August 2022 19: 19
    +5
    all any lines have long been crossed, but the current government in the Kremlin does not know anything, it became finally clear after the detonation of warehouses with BC in the Crimea, they will continue to chew snot and hang noodles to the people
  • aslanxnumx Online aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 21 August 2022 19: 38
    +6
    What the hell is the red line, how many times has it been drawn. Our leaders have blinkers before their eyes and they only see ahead. What is behind or on the sides of them up to one place. And what lies ahead for Russia with such leadership is a big question.
  • Maxim Maksimych Offline Maxim Maksimych
    Maxim Maksimych (Maxim Maksimych) 21 August 2022 20: 48
    +6
    The questions are correct and quite reasonable. There are just no answers. And this is the weakness of our political leadership. How many times have they already threatened that "it won't seem enough" and until now these fascists are doing what they want. And so far, even the DPR has not been completely liberated, and the LPR seems to be the same. And they tell us - everything is according to plan! What is the plan, we are not told. A military secret?
  • Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 21 August 2022 21: 36
    +3
    Gostomel, the Chernobyl nuclear power plant - the glory of the paratroopers ... Their surrender, the surrender of attendants with red flags - the shame of the fascist persuaders .... Bucha, the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, a series of terrorist attacks in Russia is their new merit ...
  • svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 21 August 2022 21: 40
    +5
    What are the "red lines"? Khokhols have already crossed the "red square", not the line. So what? Oh yes, and the "centers of acceptance ..." Nobody says, from the bosses, where these centers are, but everyone threatens that they will smash them. Or maybe start with a simple one, with bridges, with railway nodes? And stop the supply of BP and fuel??
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 21 August 2022 22: 50
    +4
    Hello, power, Putin! The Russians have a tough question - and for how long?? Where are the strikes on the so-called. Ukronazi decision centers, where are the attacks on the critical infrastructure of the Ukrainian Reich, where are the radical measures against Western arms supplies to Urkaina and, in general, against rabid Western Russophobes and our mortal enemies? How long will all and sundry wipe their feet on Russia? What are we waiting for, what other red lines? Shelling / sabotage of Russian territory, including Crimea, nuclear power plant infrastructure, terrorist attacks against citizens.. So-called. NWO half a year (!) rested in the Donbass.. Isn't it time to take on the Ukronazis in a serious way?
  • NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 21 August 2022 23: 22
    +1
    This territory will endlessly reproduce a regime similar to the existing one. Everything that happens in Ukraine is based on the desire to sell oneself. This happened 500 years ago and in 1918, and since 91. This is the main feature of the Ukrainian people. And we can't do anything about it. Only the division of Ukraine. How to divide it, into what parts is the question. Complex issue.
  • vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 21 August 2022 23: 54
    +6
    Where do the red, orange, purple lines go? Maybe stop brainwashing people. Most understand who draws these lines, just to talk the problem. Tomorrow there will be new lines and so on ad infinitum.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 22 August 2022 00: 07
    +6
    By deciding to freeze Russia's assets, Western countries have actually robbed it, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin said, speaking in the State Duma.

    In Russia, i.e. from her people, they stole a den. funds equivalent to 300 billion (!) $. Who is our President and the Guarantor of the Constitution? Who is in charge of the country? Who allowed the rampant and mayhem of the globalist scam with the so-called pandemic in Russia - the country suffered huge losses and almost ruined the economy. They didn’t even bother to take Mariupol, which itself went into hands, without unnecessary casualties and destruction.. Who did not prevent Nazi Ukraine from pumping Russian energy resources and other goods for 2014 years? And many more tough questions for our government ..
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  • Denis Z Offline Denis Z
    Denis Z (Denis Z) 22 August 2022 06: 08
    +3
    Why doesn't Israel babble about the lines, does it? And everyone is afraid of him.
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 August 2022 07: 04
    +2
    Quote: Denis Z
    Why doesn't Israel babble about the lines, does it? And everyone is afraid of him.

    The longer this goes on, the more people will ask these fair questions. With the corresponding result for the rating. Why do I understand this, but Putin himself does not understand? For me it's a mystery.
  • maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 22 August 2022 13: 12
    +2
    Nai-i-i-vnye! Ha ha ha! ABSOLUTELY whatever crime the West or its allies have committed, they will not even think to condemn it! Has there ever been a case in the history of human civilization that a nuclear power plant would be shelled with heavy artillery? And what, the satanic West scolded the criminals with a word?
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 22 August 2022 14: 10
    +1
    such a line of the Kremlin. The Kremlin cannot recognize the regime, which it has always called fraternal terrorist. How they protect Zelensky's gang and his henchmen - God forbid they get hurt or killed.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 23 August 2022 09: 28
    +1
    The Kremlin apparently does not see such a line. Just yesterday, he was convincing our people that they were brothers, that they were simply not fulfilling the Minsk agreements. Protect these geeks like the apple of an eye.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 29 August 2022 10: 49
    0
    What lines? This is a person especially protected by the Kremlin. All respected leaders go to him, to whom the Kremlin no longer dreams of breaking through, and therefore they protect both him and the guests, the former idols of our government.