Our UAV, fly ahead: what is being done to saturate Russian troops with drones


This week's international militarytechnical The Army-2022 forum has given a new boost to the zrado-possible swing on which Russian public opinion sits. Questions are leaning in every way: why is this, and why is all this high-tech at the exhibition, and not at the forefront?


Especially got the topic of drones. At the suggestion of several of our military correspondents, dissatisfaction with the novelties of the domestic military-industrial complex was circulating on the Web: they say, another “no analogues”, assembled from Chinese microcircuits, of poor quality and for a lot of money, and will never get into the troops.

On the one hand, war correspondents have certainly earned the right to speak out: after all, they are one of the regular users of UAVs in the zone of a military operation, often performing the functions of observers-spotters - therefore, they know what they are talking about. But there is an opinion that such a strong negative, also shockingly presented to the masses, is still too much. Volunteer technicians who maintain the combat capability of our drones, and those few military drone operators who have the opportunity to speak publicly, do not share the pessimism of the military correspondents.

In general, the security of the NMD with unmanned vehicles is still insufficient - however, the militarypolitical management recognizes this problem and takes steps to resolve it as soon as possible.

On a helicopter carpet


It is widely believed that the bulk of Russian drones in the war zone are represented by foreign civilian models. Whether this is actually so, it is impossible to say with certainty, but the share of imports is significant. In this regard, the nuances of purchasing drones abroad are curious.

The notorious Iranian “Schrödinger drones,” which have either been purchased, delivered, or are already in full use by Russian troops, continue to attract the most attention. Recently, a military journalist from Lebanon stated on social networks that Russia allegedly acquired a thousand drones of various types from Iran at once - this statement, as they say, “became viral” and began to be rebroadcast by various media as official information.

In fact, any authoritative confirmation of the purchase of Iranian drones by the Russian Defense Ministry, and even in such quantities, has not yet been presented. In addition, there are big doubts that the Islamic Republic is able to supply a thousand machines at once, even giving away equipment from combat units: the production volumes of advanced models are small and amount to several dozen a year.

Nevertheless, there are some hints for cooperation in this area. Actually, a number of Iranian-made UAVs are presented at the Army-2022 forum: Quadcopter, Karrar-3 and Mohajer-6. All these are large and load-lifting reconnaissance-strike vehicles, comparable to the domestic "Pacer" (the photo for the article shows its export version "Orion-E") or the "great" Bayraktar TB2. And on August 13, the head of the Iranian Trade Development Organization said on state television that the Islamic Republic would also establish a cryptocurrency exchange with Russia. Given the well-known (though seriously exaggerated) impersonality of the "crypt", it is likely that it will be used just to pay for various kinds of "delicate" goods, including weapons. However, information about any deals between Iran and Russia has not yet been received from the forum.

In the niche of small reconnaissance UAVs used by infantry at the “platoon-company” level, in the allied forces, like the Ukrainian fascists, the products of the Chinese company DJI are in great favor. The popularity of Mavic quadcopters is so great that their name has already become a household name for almost any "pocket" drone. This does not come as a surprise: Maviks combine good optics with a thermal imager with fairly high reliability and endurance, and an acceptable price. According to volunteers involved in the purchase and delivery of drones to the troops, one “parallelly imported” drone now costs about 250-300 thousand rubles, while the official price is about 800 thousand.

The ongoing purchase of donated drones is causing a lot of indignant cries of “how long?!” It is very interesting how many of the egregious volunteers brought at least a penny to the volunteers for UAVs for our soldiers - but it is much more interesting that this supply route may not be the only one, or even the main one.

Paradoxically, few people think: what are these “gray” wholesalers who sell drones to the same volunteers almost at cost, and where do they get the goods from? In addition, volunteers and military correspondents (being users themselves, many of them are closely involved in purchasing) usually get drones and other high-tech "nishtyaks" (sights, thermal imagers, etc.) for some specific units with which they are in close contact. contact - however, they are widely used everywhere.

Therefore, it is believed that this entire popular movement, in addition to its main function, is also used as a front for a fairly wide parallel import of drones by the treasury. There is a need for a cover: DJI sent out a convincing request to its customers in Russia last week to focus less on the military use of their products, because. this may bring it under additional Western sanctions. However, this is just an opinion.

We fly and you crawl


Import by import - what about the Russian production of drones? Like many other things, information about him is shrouded in the "fog of war"; we can only say with certainty that it works at full capacity. On August 16, speaking at Army-2022, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation for military-technical support Krivoruchko said that the state defense order is being adjusted in accordance with the experience of hostilities in Ukraine and the newly discovered needs of the troops.

It is reported that contracts were signed for the supply of additional Eleron-3, Orlan-10 and Orlan-30, Pacer UAVs, but the number of vehicles was not reported to the press. The first three on this list are small and medium aircraft-type drones used at the battalion level and for artillery fire control. In addition, a number of new samples were demonstrated, including small quadrocopters (which the military journalistic fraternity hastened to ridicule).

As for the element base, yes, things are still not very good with its import substitution. Recently, the British analytical center RUSI published a detailed report on the study of 27 samples of advanced Russian weapons, the fragments of which went to the Ukrainian fascists: Iskander and Caliber missiles that hit targets, anti-aircraft missiles, and UAVs of various types. In total, the British counted 450 foreign electronic components used in our systems, most of which are made in ... the USA.

Part of this range of spare parts should not be supplied to the Russian Federation due to sanctions - but, according to the authors of the report, about 15 thousand batches of Western electronics have come to Russia since the start of the CBO. It is characteristic that the supplier companies, to which the researchers turned for comments, made round eyes and began to say that this is impossible, that there will be internal investigations and other-other-other.

However, the same report indicates that a significant part of this microelectronic base is various general-purpose microcontrollers, which are also widely used in various civil systems and household appliances. That is, the grunts of Ukrainian propaganda about “Russians sticking microwave chips into their rockets” are true to a certain extent.

However, the use of "civilian" processors has its own (sucked from the finger) plus: these components are not scarce, and they are relatively easy to find on the world market. The ability of domestic design bureaus to work well with available components was also noted in past years, therefore, it is likely that they are now actively working on “mobilization” versions of our high-tech weapons using chips from more reliable suppliers.

Much less problems with the training of personnel. As always, there is not much information in the public domain, but it is known for sure that since the beginning of the SVO, several hundred UAV operators have been trained by the Donetsk Training Center for Unmanned Systems. And recently, drone courses have also been opened at the Russian University of Special Forces in Gudermes, which is now actively training soldiers of volunteer units - Kadyrov himself invited those who want to become an operator there. It must be understood that in both of these cases we are talking about pilots of "infantry" drones. Operators-spotters and technicians who will work with specialized military vehicles are trained on the basis of military educational institutions.

Although the situation is still far from ideal, Russian and allied forces are gradually being saturated with both modern unmanned vehicles and people capable of realizing its full potential. It can be hoped that the harsh combat practice of the Ukrainian campaign for some time (the coming years and decades) will fix in the minds of the military-political leadership that introducing advanced weapons in this way is a vital necessity, not only for the fighters on the front line, but also for the state system generally. After the victory over the Kyiv fascists, Russia, quite possibly, will have to face in battle with one of their richer - and therefore better armed - party lords.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 August 2022 09: 07
    0
    We have everything as always. First, the unavailability of many components. Then work on the mistakes and win.
    However, I am sure that the unpreparedness for war is not only the problem of the Russian army.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 20 August 2022 13: 42
      +2
      There, it is not so much drones that are being persuaded, but rather a "robo-dog" in a "ninja" suit with a grenade launcher on its back, as a typical example of "no analogues" from "AliExpress". yes lol
  2. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 20 August 2022 09: 33
    +6
    As always, we have huge plans, especially for 2023-24. And today everything is difficult. Nobody sets tasks to strain. The main thing is to report on the development of funds, and let the drones be donated. We need to think not about where these drones come from, but why the state is barely moving: problems must be solved today and not in 2024.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 20 August 2022 22: 16
      +3
      Quote: kriten
      As always, we have huge plans, especially for 2023-24. And today everything is difficult.

      That's it yes , if we put aside the "huge plans", "for the future", then how many actually operating "Orions" or the same "Lancets" are involved in the NWO?

      Dozens? Hundreds?

      I'm afraid if you name a real figure, then there will be something to become discouraged from.
      But ... For a simple layman, this is just despondency from disappointment in the state, and for a soldier participating in the operation, this is an increasing probability of dying from a strike from an enemy weapon system that UAVs - "Orions" and "Lancets" could remotely detect and destroy. ..
  3. ksa Offline ksa
    ksa 20 August 2022 09: 38
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    "... all-great...". Aki boh.
  4. ksa Offline ksa
    ksa 20 August 2022 09: 41
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    "Schrödinger drones" is a class, but it's not from the Bible at all.
  5. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 August 2022 12: 58
    +5
    The article missed a very important and in the future the most promising class of UAVs - barrage of ammunition. With a sufficient number (many thousands), even so much artillery is not needed to hit all targets, and strikes are delivered directly over enemy territory when targets are identified .. This is the main direction of the work of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation - on loitering ammunition with a sufficient duration of duty and other necessary characteristics and in in mass quantities, not in units, as the Lancets are today. and so on .... For the rest, again assurances, and the most interesting thing is when volunteers deliver household quadrocopters for the needs of the NMD, then they begin to attribute the RF Ministry of Defense, - it must carry out state deliveries of the necessary modern weapons and equipment manufactured at the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, and not get out of the dips with household toys. At the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, little is produced and in an insufficient assortment, although the funds "drank" are probably not measured ... And where is the way to correct failures in modern weapons of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, only to change those responsible for these failures (the most thieving ones must be brought to court in order to stop the tradition of theft and delaying the deadlines, when fulfilling orders of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, etc.), there is no other way ...
  6. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 20 August 2022 14: 51
    +1
    Not being ready for war is a common property of people. It is impossible to foresee what is not given by nature. The fascist army of the 1941 model was also not ready to meet the T-34 tanks. Only naive and stupid people can think that anyone can be fully prepared for such a competitive and innovative process as war. And in war, as in any business, patience, intelligence and work, work, work win!
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 August 2022 16: 18
      +6
      Replica. There are no strike UAVs in the RF Armed Forces AT ALL, and this is when the United States has been using it for almost 20 years with great efficiency. My dear, what are you talking about - about corruption and theft in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, then yes. I. Borisova, with shifty eyes from fear and understanding of her role in the failures of the military-industrial complex and the deaths of hundreds of our fighters, such people must be judged ... Diseases are treated by eliminating the causes of diseases ...
      1. Hermit90 Offline Hermit90
        Hermit90 (Alexey) 20 August 2022 18: 26
        -2
        There are no strike UAVs in the RF Armed Forces AT ALL

        "Pacer", "Forpost-RU" say hello.

        USA has been using for almost 20 years with great efficiency

        On a modern battlefield saturated with air defense and electronic warfare? Modern UAVs are truly effective only within very narrow limits.
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 21 August 2022 16: 43
          -1
          (Alexey) Replica. Don’t be cunning, talking about mass USE, and if there are several Pacers (not mass-produced yet), yes, Outpost from Israel, bought five years earlier, the mass character is also not satisfactory ... About the effectiveness of the UBP, it’s better to ask, before such nonsense speak out. Even in Syria they broke through air defense with a massive strike of improvised UAVs. So today, just for not having an IED, there is enough UAV, but perhaps the United States will correct this flaw, and no air defense can be protected from synchronized UAV swarms, and even with setting false targets ...
          1. Hermit90 Offline Hermit90
            Hermit90 (Alexey) 21 August 2022 19: 01
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            talk about mass USE

            Oh, I love wiggling ass. There was no "mass" use" in your previous comment. It was simply "No strike UAVs." But they are. Your thesis has been refuted.

            Even in Syria, they broke through air defense with a massive strike of improvised UAVs

            Come on, come on, when was that? What is air defense? Outfit of forces? Their combat readiness and combat capability?

            no air defense can protect against synchronized swarms of UAVs, and even with setting false targets

            I've been reading about it for 15 years, but things are still there.
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 22 August 2022 11: 48
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              Reply, If you do not know, this does not mean that it is not ... It is difficult to refute your understanding, because the impudence of sayings determines the limitations, therefore I do not see the point of the dispute further.
  7. AndretzAndrey Offline AndretzAndrey
    AndretzAndrey (Andrei) 20 August 2022 17: 31
    +7
    ... it’s very interesting how many of the egregious volunteers brought at least a penny to the volunteers for UAVs for our soldiers ...

    - AUTHOR, WHICH SHOULD I BUY A UAV FROM, IF I PAY TAXES?! And I work in fact for a penny, like the whole country? And hard workers are not the police, who retire at 40. Do you want to hang problems on them? Is there a claim to those sections of society?
    And what did Skolkovo and others like them do?! 20 YEARS at least?! I myself have been engaged in aircraft modeling for 10 years, but less. And I will tell you that in the army these are radio-controlled models of the level of regional competitions.
    Where are the daily loitering high-altitude UAVs ?! Well, etc.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 August 2022 05: 31
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      - AUTHOR, WHICH SHOULD I BUY A UAV FROM, IF I PAY TAXES?!

      About the obligation to buy UAVs for the army by citizens, I somehow did not find in the text.
      Andrei, could you provide a quote where it is said about such a duty?
      1. AndretzAndrey Offline AndretzAndrey
        AndretzAndrey (Andrei) 22 August 2022 06: 02
        +1
        Did you read my post carefully? Everything is there. I'll quote for you:

        ... it’s very interesting how many of the egregious volunteers brought at least a penny to the volunteers for UAVs for our soldiers ...

        I am one of those egregious ones.
  8. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 20 August 2022 21: 13
    0
    It is necessary to purchase full-cycle factories for the production of radio-electronic components. Nobody will sell a plant with a process technology of 5 nanometers, and one that produces chips for civilian products from 15 to 20 nm can be bought, bypassing sanctions in neutral countries. When there is nothing, we will also be happy with a radio factory with a 50 nm process technology. From 1920 to 1941, the USSR bought thousands of factories. Nothing will move or fly without electronics. You won't live long on imports.
  9. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 21 August 2022 19: 15
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    Actually, military microcircuits are produced in Russia. Yes, there are probably not enough of them. Yes, only 64 nanometers against 8-12 in the West, which is fraught with dimensions, weight, energy consumption. In the 90s, even the 086 series computer was produced on Soviet microcircuits, which worked well on MS-DOS. I don’t know if our production of microcircuits died during the Yeltsin era. However, Soviet missiles flew on our microcircuits. Probably everything is built on them now. So, to say that "everything is lost chief" is not worth it, although there are a lot of problems.
  10. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 22 August 2022 01: 29
    +3
    The grandmothers were drinking. Belly fat scratched. Shish kebabs, cognac under the shish kebab ... special. What the fuck war, what drones? Here it is, normal life. And BB looks like a clack-clack beak. Everyone is around. And ass at the exit. And where is the new Il-112V, which, as it were, was not alone, why is there complete silence? Everything, talented managers gobbled up? And so everywhere. And 300 yards passed .. whether. Do we have our own Biden?
  11. well Offline well
    well (Valery) 22 August 2022 10: 48
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    It is very interesting how many of the egregious people brought at least a penny to the volunteers for UAVs for our soldiers

    But I wonder if it is volunteers who should supply our army with drones, bulletproof vests, night vision devices, or the Ministry of Defense? In general, the Ministry of Defense is interested in supplying the army, transporting military cargo across the Russian border? Or is it not in their competence until the NWO was officially renamed into a war?
  12. greenchelman Offline greenchelman
    greenchelman (Grigory Tarasenko) 22 August 2022 11: 11
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    However, information about any deals between Iran and Russia has not yet been received from the forum.

    People are already making fun of this topic...

  13. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 7 September 2022 02: 24
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    Apparently, there will be a war with Ukraine until the time when enough fired, modernized equipment and the necessary specialists are formed in the Russian troops. And the military-industrial complex will be reorganized under military rails and will continuously drive the necessary volumes of products for the army, in the right quality.
  14. Marina Glazova Offline Marina Glazova
    Marina Glazova (Marina Glazova) 19 September 2022 09: 01
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    Damn profession is very interesting. Pretty new. Maybe the son wants to become an operator))) bully
  15. ont65 Offline ont65
    ont65 (Oleg) 21 September 2022 07: 21
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    It is not clear who, what and on what grounds the volunteers supply, because in the army of the Russian Federation, supply and financing is under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense. Apparently they have enough funds for both command posts and tactical tablets, and there is also appropriate software with encryption and transmission of information over secure channels. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, using Chinese products that were not intended at all as such, often served as targets for missiles. This is evidenced by significant numbers of destroyed command posts. Is it even worth discussing the technical details of the use of weapons by professional units at such sites without being in the subject?