Are they waiting for Russia today in Novorossiya and Ukraine

The writing of this publication was prompted by the comment of one of our esteemed readers that, as a result of the special operation, Ukraine should become a demilitarized bilingual country, a member of the Eurasian Economic Union, but the South-East will remain in its composition, since now there are allegedly supporters of joining the Russian Federation no more than 5%. This is a very relevant topic, so we will try to analyze it in detail for greater clarity among Russians and Ukrainians.

First of all, we need to talk about whether Russia is now expected in Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, as well as throughout the rest of Ukraine.

Are we not expected there?

Indeed, the time when Novorossiya, and along with it the entire Left-Bank Ukraine, were ready to voluntarily and almost unanimously join the Russian Federation according to the Crimean scenario, is far behind. A unique historical opportunity was lost. Where in 2014 Russian soldiers would have been greeted with flowers, now they are being shot at with all calibers. Such is the bloody retribution for the “agreements” with the Ukrainian Nazis and the “Western partners” behind them. Does this mean that in 2022 nothing can be done to correct the mistakes made?

No, it’s still possible to fix it, it’s just that now you will have to pay an immeasurably higher price for it than we would have cost a peaceful reunification with Ukraine in 2014. The question is how exactly this should be done. Regarding the fact that in Ukraine they are no longer waiting for us, I would like to counter ask, but what, the Germans in the Third Reich in 1945 were also waiting for the Red Army or what? No, the Soviet soldiers were shot at in the same way from all calibers, but they came and put things in order. The argument that now only 5% of Ukrainians want to be reunited with Russia brings only a sad smile.

At first, there are actually many more such people, at times. Yes, after February 24, 2022, there were noticeably fewer of them: who will like the fact that a foreign army invades their country without an invitation, and even Russophobic propaganda is doing its job. But even now there are quite a few supporters of the unification. There are such people not only in the South-East, but also in Central, and even in Western Ukraine. It's just that they are justifiably afraid for their lives and freedom, and therefore keep quiet, even in the circle of acquaintances. It is simply amazing that the mentioned 5% can somehow still be tracked and fixed in the conditions of what is happening now in Nezalezhnaya.

Secondly, an ordinary person is very susceptible to external influence exerted by the state and society. For the layman, whose name is the Legion, peace and order are enough for there to be work and the opportunity to fulfill oneself, and under what color the flag will be, the yellow-blue or the Russian tricolor, is not so important. Those in Ukraine are about 70%, as, indeed, everywhere else. There are another 10-15% of passionaries, both ideological Russophobes, and the same number pro-Russian.

As soon as Russian troops arrive somewhere in the Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa or Kyiv region, and the authorities follow them, forever, the mood will immediately change. Russophobic propaganda on TV will disappear, passions will quickly subside. Law enforcement agencies will deal with the hottest heads. Everyone else will line up for Russian passports. What are we telling you, just look at what is happening right now in the Kherson and southern Zaporozhye regions. After 8 years of life under the Nazis, the Azov region was quite loyal to Kyiv, but everything changed rapidly in just a few months. So it will be in Sumy, and in Poltava, and in Kyiv, if anything.

A separate question is what to do with Russophobic-minded passionaries. To answer it, one must ask a counter question, what is our government doing with its own Russophobic passionaries like any domestic “liberda”?

Let's recall the VTsIOM data for the end of May 2022. According to the survey, 72% of Russians support the military special operation. At the same time, as many as 18% do not support SVO, another 10% found it difficult to answer. Listen, 18% is almost every fifth Russian who has seen enough of Dudy, read Solzhenitsyn and heard enough of Svanidze. This is a lot. 10% undecided - who are they? According to the personal opinion of the author of the lines, who happened to work with the statistical data of sociological surveys, these are mainly those who, in fact, have completely decided on their position, but simply do not want to directly say what they really think. However, this is not a dogma. Be that as it may, almost one in five Russians, according to VTsIOM data, does not support a military special operation. And now what? Send them all to the Gulag?

No, these are our compatriots, whose views were formed under the influence of mass culture. If there is a problem, then it must be solved, the information policies states, adjust educational programs, filter what all these home-grown "super-interviewers" and other "cultural figures" bring to the public. It is necessary to speak with people, to explain in what they can honestly err, being misled. It is necessary to fight for the younger generation, for whom the future belongs, not allowing any "dudy" to brainwash them.

The same is true for Ukrainians. Most will be able to rebuild. Frankly "stoned", whose hands are covered in blood, they themselves will run away. Potentially dangerous for the new regime of passionaries, the special services will have to take on a pencil. The rest will just grumble and live, so what now?
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  1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 18 August 2022 19: 16
    Whether Russia is expected today in Novorossia and Ukraine is best evidenced by the stubborn battles and the pace of advancement of troops during the NWO
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 18 August 2022 19: 32
    they are waiting and still waiting, but 8 years of zombies were not in vain, and if, God forbid, there is an agreement again, then the next war will be even tougher and more bloody, but what it will be in this case is 200%
    1. Accidentally Offline Accidentally
      Accidentally 19 August 2022 17: 48
      What 8 years .... more than 32 years the people of Ukraine have been zombified. don’t tell me fairy tales. in 1990 I won’t name the place and time I was in the hospital .. and at 18 I had an operation. and 17 the Nazis were already marching with red-black flags with portraits of Bandera cattle and a torchlight procession. I myself personally saw the USSR was still there and where was the vaunted KGB of the USSR. and why the so-called General of the Army Vladimir Kryukov in those same years brought a berl lazar from the USA and why law enforcement officers did not disperse this trash ... questions questions and again questions
      1. Old major Offline Old major
        Old major (Old Major) 21 August 2022 10: 04
        While still studying at a military school, our cadet company commander (a native of Vinnitsa) used Russophobic expressions (though not very aggressive), but there was already a restructuring and therefore he got away with it.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 August 2022 19: 35
    Listen, 18% is almost every fifth Russian who has seen enough of Dudy, who has read Solzhenitsyn and who has heard enough of Svanidze.

    Just a change in concept. Since, apart from blowing, the rest were all quite real values ​​under our president. And the majority of any population turns back both from them and from others. Remember, whose son was expelled from Omerike and straight to EDRO?

    The song of Leningrad - "Moscow, for whom your bells toll", explains everything well, and why they are not waiting ...
  4. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 August 2022 20: 01
    Somewhere in 1990 I was in Kharkov and talked to people. With men, with education. So: the majority was already in favor of secession from the USSR. The motive was something like this: Moscow takes too much and gives too little. There were also soft nationalists. There were no radical ones. And everyone was for friendship with Russia and a free border for the population. And over 30 years of Bandera propaganda has become a hundred times worse. So Russia in Ukraine, except for Donbass, is not expected anywhere. In addition, there will be many Ukrainian families whose husbands or sons were killed or maimed in the war by the Russian military. This is confirmed by my earlier trips to the already independent Ukraine. What to do? The conquered part of Ukraine, except for those who entered Russia, should be controlled by military administrations for quite a long time, without any elections, well, maybe only at the lowest level. Don't have an army. Enter the ruble zone. In 20 years, maybe something can be released.
  5. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 18 August 2022 21: 14
    Obviously, the basis for the process of recognizing Russia in the controlled territories will be the economic model, which then will need to be extended to the entire territory of the country. It is time for our state to understand that the basis of the economy is a person. State. Projects - large productions, factories - are to achieve specific results in individual sectors, for the well-being of the people, conditions are needed, the main of which is the presence of a surplus of money. And, the entire law enforcement system should be aimed at protecting a person, his property and business.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 19 August 2022 14: 12
      having a surplus of money ..... for many leads to alcoholism and unwillingness to work
  6. Victor 17 Offline Victor 17
    Victor 17 18 August 2022 21: 30
    If Moscow does not reconsider its attitude towards the war with the West in Ukraine in the very near future, then in the future the country will face even more severe consequences of Moscow's indecision. First of all, dissatisfaction will grow in the country itself, authority in the international arena will fall, and this will lead to a revision by some countries of their policies. In no case can you now show weakness, on the contrary, you need to demonstrate decisiveness, up to the readiness to deliver preventive strikes against Britain, the only way to stop the west that has been played out. For good, they do not understand only fear and horror always stopped them. People inside the state do not see the unity of society, some trade with the West, others receive mines in their homes. It is necessary to consolidate society with one goal - to defeat the enemy in the face of the West, to stop idle chatter about how they suffer from a lack of our energy resources and that they will soon be haply. People are tired of these waiters. Time is now playing against Russia. It is no longer a secret that the West is preparing Ukrainian soldiers, and when these 30-40 thousand replacements are given brand new Western weapons, and this happens, the evening will cease to be languid for the whole country.
  7. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 19 August 2022 08: 30
    The older generation still somehow sympathizes with Russia, remembers it, but those who are under 30, as a rule, are not eager to become part of Russia. At the moment, this is the case almost throughout all of central Ukraine. By the way, in the South-East there are many who would be satisfied with the status of independence from both Kyiv and Moscow. Become something like Abkhazia
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 August 2022 12: 08
      In April 2014, the Ukrainian weekly "Zerkalo Nedeli" (then it was not yet so Bandera) published the results of a survey of Donbas residents on the status of their territory, which was probably conducted in February. Approximately the following results: a quarter of the population would like to join Russia, a quarter would like to be part of "Edyna", half as part of Ukraine, but with special rights. Since then, after shelling, wars, flight to other regions of Ukraine and Russia, the situation has certainly changed. I suspect that the current population of Donbass mostly wants to go to Russia.
    2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 19 August 2022 14: 08
      people usually think and say nonsense, and although these words characterize the confusion that is in their heads, they will act as the powers that be will let them act, so the opinion of the inhabitants of Ukraine in general does not matter, it is more important whether Putin can create a clear information politics, including in the liberated territories
      1. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
        Vox_Populi (vox populi) 20 August 2022 12: 53
        Much more important is whether he will be able to pursue a coherent socio-economic policy there in the interests of the majority. There are big doubts about this...
  8. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
    Benjamin (Benjamin) 19 August 2022 08: 37
    Time is playing against Russia, that's for sure
  9. art_2 Offline art_2
    art_2 (Mikhail Yuryevich Artemyev) 19 August 2022 09: 51
    The people do not want Putinism.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 August 2022 12: 11
      Are you people? When there were presidential elections, the people chose Putin. Of course, there were not as many percent for him as they wrote, but the bulk of the people voted for Putin.
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 19 August 2022 14: 16
        Quote: Alexey Lan
        Are you people?

        Yes, he is a people too.
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 August 2022 09: 11
          He is also a people, but he has no right to speak on behalf of the people. Your opinion, please. And on behalf of the people - an impostor ...
      2. EMMM Offline EMMM
        EMMM 19 August 2022 18: 50
        The electoral system is completely opaque
        1. Old major Offline Old major
          Old major (Old Major) 21 August 2022 10: 11
          But we have an example - elections in the USA, where even the dead vote! That's what I understand democracy-everyone is equal-both the living and the dead. And I wonder how the cremated voted?
    2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 19 August 2022 14: 09
      the opinion of the people is not important, it never decides anything, Putin's wave is more important
    3. Old major Offline Old major
      Old major (Old Major) 21 August 2022 10: 09
      And who do the people want? Navalshchina, greenery?
  10. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 19 August 2022 10: 35
    It will be difficult, but possible. Written correctly, the main thing is not to be afraid to carry out and not to transfer there the Russian experience of feeding traitors by the authorities, up to the Kremlin and all kinds of protecting them from responsibility for violating the law and conducting subversive activities. We have to clean ourselves up.
  11. Lyudmila Ol Offline Lyudmila Ol
    Lyudmila Ol (Lyudmila Olkhovskaya) 19 August 2022 10: 48
    It's high time to stop smearing snot on "relatives" in Ukraine and gasp for vile traitors so that they forget their language! These horses deserve such an attitude towards them! Stop fussing with them, crushing them like bedbugs, otherwise they will do so much trouble that the whole world will not be happy.
    1. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
      Vox_Populi (vox populi) 20 August 2022 12: 56
      gasp for vile traitors so that they forget their language! These horses deserve such treatment! Stop messing with them, crush like bedbugs

      Member of the NSDAP?! winked
  12. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 August 2022 12: 21
    This is fascism. We are not Bandera. Although toughening in the military sphere is needed.
  13. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 19 August 2022 13: 11
    Whether they wait today is unimportant.
    A question in perspective.
    The West is waiting for the depopulation of Ukraine, Russia is hoping that an economic collapse will come in Ukraine, and Ukrainians: when will all this finally end?!
    But for whom time works - it is not clear!
  14. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 19 August 2022 14: 01
    uv Sergey raised an important topic, and in general correctly indicated what to do and how, but he was unable to analyze the topic deeply, which is generally understandable, because he is a journalist, and there is a certain size of the article, U Lipman developed the basics of consciousness manipulation technology, its essence discoveries that people think in stereotypes and these stereotypes can be changed with the help of informational influence, there are also Ukhtomsky’s dominants (this is about stubborn people), it is necessary to state the fact that Sergey voices here, the Russian Federation does not have a clear systemic scientifically developed information policy, and so far it has not will, it all depends on the case. And it won’t happen because our population morally has not gone far from Ukrainian residents subject to manipulation by the Nazis, in the sense of indifferent irreligion, beer and vodka with smoking devices, our women kill 1 million Russian babies a year right in their wombs (more than ukrofascists thousands of times), the majority do not give a damn about the Way, Truth and Life, they prefer to smoke the sky and get bogged down in disgusting everyday life, debauchery and enjoy tobacco and alcohol ... therefore God does not send prosperity to our land and, as a result, a clear information and economic policy Russia
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 22 August 2022 17: 00
      Religion is the opium of the People. Everything is done by the Man himself, there is nothing to attribute his sins and victories to mythical creatures.
  15. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 19 August 2022 14: 23
    Are they waiting for Russia today in Novorossiya and Ukraine

    Judging by the ferocity of the fighting, most are not waiting. They waited and asked for help in 2014, in March of the same year, President Putin received personal permission from the State Duma to use the armed forces outside the territory of the Russian Federation (and everyone perfectly understood where this could be), but ... happened (or rather, did not happen ) what happened. And now the country is clearing up the rancid porridge eight years ago.
  16. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 19 August 2022 15: 14
    12.15 Most of the volunteers going to fight in the NWO are Soviet people — Vladimir Solovyov at the Army and Society forum.

    I do not like this frankly corrupt and bad representative of the second most ancient profession, but the fact remains. In the USSR, there was no question whether Ukraine needed Russia or Russia needed Ukraine, because under socialism there was no reason for enmity and wars between republics and people, everyone lived together and peacefully in a single country, regardless of nationality. It was a single motherland for all. Therefore, they were able to survive in the Patriotic War and defeat fascism.
    Now people are pitted against each other by politicians, oligarchs and bankers, and they themselves are dragging chestnuts out of the fire, cashing in on war and human misfortunes.
    I repeat again:

    They are neither bad nor good - they are ordinary people who go with the flow and adapt to the surrounding reality. They should survive now. Help them survive - and then build a long-term program to eliminate the consequences of Ukrainization. But in parallel with this, Ukraine must be eradicated from Russia itself.

    A. Khodakovsky
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 19 August 2022 16: 41
      10.40 Yaroslavl Governor Mikhail Evraev visited the volunteers of the artillery battalion of Marshal Tolbukhin. He handed over the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God from the Yaroslavl diocese, noting that under its protection Minin and Pozharsky went from Yaroslavl to liberate Moscow from the Polish invaders.


      16.20 A large batch of 50 drones and two anti-drone guns, bought with the money of ordinary Russians and residents of the liberated part of the Zaporozhye region, was transferred to the needs of the allied forces in the region.

      as they say - feel the difference: a millionaire governor with an icon, and ordinary people with drones and guns bought for their "non-governor" salaries ...
  17. Antey Offline Antey
    Antey (Andrey Telichko) 19 August 2022 15: 22
    I read it. And now I can say about what is happening there now with the mood. Direct speech from my small homeland, from the LPR. My sister works in a hospital in Lugansk. He says that people evacuated from the liberated territories quietly hate us. The eyes are evil, although they are afraid to say something directly. Sister, if anything, an ardent LNR, her husband hid her soldier so that she would not run away to the front. So there is nothing for her to invent.
    Rovenki, where I spent my childhood and youth, brought refugees from Rubizhne. So they tried to paint the bus stops in yellow-blakytny here, the locals beat them. In the village of Klenovy near Rovenki, there was an attempt to arrange an anti-Russian rally by refugees, they were also dispersed, however, it seems, already with the involvement of the police.
    And finally - one person very dear to me is fighting from there, commanding a unit of the NM of the LPR, his daughter hates dill, and his wife hates Putin.
    Here is such a picture alive, and not from couch analysts and Solovyov.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 19 August 2022 21: 40
      I myself am a Crimean daughter of an officer .... and I want to say that not everything is clear here! signature... john smith
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 19 August 2022 22: 38
        Are you tired of sculpting labels? Is the language dry?
    2. Old major Offline Old major
      Old major (Old Major) 21 August 2022 10: 23
      And I have to deal with real Ukrainians (citizenship and passports are all Ukrainian), they have been living in Russia since 2015-2016), some are from the Poltava region, some are from Zaporozhye. So they hate the current Kyiv regime and the West. There are those who volunteered to fight for Russia (while having a Ukrainian passport).
      1. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
        Vox_Populi (vox populi) 21 August 2022 12: 46
        Why didn't you go like a real patriot? winked
  18. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 19 August 2022 16: 34
    Currently, Ukraine is an occupation zone of NATO countries. There is a civil war going on in Ukraine. Western Ukraine, together with Kyiv, is at war with Eastern Ukraine. The Russian Federation should not care how many Ukrainians are waiting for Russia, the Germans in 1945. also polls were against the USSR.
    To begin with, the Russian Federation needs to decide on the purpose of the NWO, i.e., Russia needs to legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, captured by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
    Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation conducted by the Russian Federation in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
    The presence of the Law will designate the goal, give certainty about the future to the citizens of Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime. The military of Ukraine will en masse go over to the side of the Russian Federation, knowing that in the future they will become citizens of Russia and, if desired, military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces.
    All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows Russia's enemies to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia and allows NATO countries to annex this no man's territory.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no legal Banderists, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will increase its economic and military-political influence on the EU, there will be direct access to the EU countries. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 19 August 2022 18: 39
      You are not tired of sculpting the same thing everywhere
      1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 19 August 2022 21: 20
        What's new? Nothing. August 24 will be 6 months of NWO. Let's take active 4 months. The Red Army during the Great Patriotic War fought to the West, on average, 21,7 km per day (let's take 20 km / day). Let's calculate how far the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine must go in four months of hostilities: 4 months x 30 days x 20 km/day = 2400 km. At the speed of advance of the RF Armed Forces: 10 km/day = 1200 km, at 5 km/day = 600 km, at 1 km/day = 120 km. Everyone can take a compass and draw on the map the lines where the RF Armed Forces should be today. It is pointless to discuss whether they like us in Ukraine or not, this applies to almost all the former Soviet republics of the USSR. This is the Civil War with the participation of NATO and into which we were drawn, what and how we do not discuss here. My proposal is simple, to issue a Law or a Decree (it was written earlier). This is a strategy.
        Strategy without tactics is the slowest path to victory. Tactics without strategy is just hustle before defeat - Sun Tzu.
        Russia has only one way out, complete Victory, the entire territory of Ukraine is returned to the Russian Federation. If you have real suggestions, write.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 20 August 2022 00: 43
          Arithmetic is great.
          Do you agree to live the way the people of the USSR lived when the Red Army went from victory to victory?
          All of these are theories. What happened in practice? In order to liberate the eastern half of Ukraine (to Zhytomyr) by November 13, 1943. the Battle of Kursk was needed, with its unthinkable victims. And already Vinnitsa was liberated on March 20, 1944.
          After the battles, ruins remained.
          Read more about that war and think about what sacrifices it cost.
          And it is necessary to consider not only the movement to the West. Prior to this, a year and a half back to the East and the main losses were in that period.

          Tactics without strategy is just hustle before defeat

          There is just a strategy. Minimal losses in anticipation of the economic collapse of opponents.
          In Ukraine, you need to win without straining. Then there won't be any further problems.
          1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
            vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 22 August 2022 14: 18
            SVO goes 6 (without two days) months, Arithmetic, you noticed, counts for 4 months, and not for six months of SVO. Two months were given to the military and politicians to comprehend the SVO and make decisions. What we see is that there is tactics, with throwing around, but there is no strategy. Denazification and Demilitarization disappeared. What does the Russian Federation do and what does it want in Ukraine??? Waiting for Ukraine itself to fall apart is naive. Ukraine itself will never fall apart, the NATO countries will finance and support it. Time is working against the Russian Federation, problems are growing like an avalanche. Ukraine's attacks on the Crimea and adjacent areas, sabotage, this is the beginning, NATO is looking at the reaction of the Russian Federation, a sluggish reaction provokes them to large-scale actions.
        2. Old major Offline Old major
          Old major (Old Major) 21 August 2022 10: 25
          The Red Army went like a steamroller, regardless of the victims ("Women are still giving birth" - the real phrase of Marshal Zhukov).
    2. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 22 August 2022 17: 20
      In order to put this into practice, the head of state must be a LEADER with a cohort of like-minded people, the People's Leader, the Iron Hand, said and done, and the majority of the population must support him and be ready to follow him. And the situation in this regard is quite the opposite with both the leader and the bulk + the obvious unwillingness of the oligarchy to support both of them. And what will the winning country offer to the defeated? Will change their system of corruption and kickbacks to ... a different system that will lift them from their knees!? Somewhere it was already there, it was heard from the speakers, but things are still there - stuck in a swamp. Intervention and civil war, 100 years later.
  19. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 19 August 2022 21: 14
    ... peaceful reunification with Ukraine in 2014.

    A widespread mistake or a simplification of the problem, I don't know.
    The first bust of Bandera in Ukraine was installed in the village. Old Ugrimov, Ivano-Frankivsk region 14.10.1990/24/1991. If anyone did not know or forgot, the independent state of Ukraine was proclaimed on August XNUMX, XNUMX.
    And before that, there was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic within the USSR. Under the leadership of the Communist Party of Ukraine. There were no other ruling parties.
    And not a single monument, bust, even a memorial plaque could be erected without the approval of the Communist Party.
    And who was in charge of ideological work in the CPU at that time? Someone Kravchuk L.M., second secretary of the Communist Party. Yes, the same future president.
    Kravchuk since 1960. engaged in ideological work in the Communist Party. First at the level of the Chernivtsi Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, then in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. Constantly grew in a career sense, which means he was in trend, pursued the "necessary" policy.
    So the bust of Bandera in 1990. was a natural result of his "labor" activities.
    Since such a character has been engaged in ideology in Ukraine since 1960, one should not be surprised by further events. Older people who were in Ukraine under the USSR are aware of this problem firsthand. Starting from the level of household jokes.
    And 2013/14 this is not even an exit to the surface of the Nazis. The official coming out took place earlier, on the first Maidan in 2004.
    The same Nazi regiment "Azov" was formed on May 5, 2014. in Mariupol, "Aidar" - in May 2014 in the Lugansk region, etc. That is, not all gangs like them were formed in Western Ukraine.
    So everything is very seriously launched there.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 19 August 2022 22: 42
      Quote: boriz
      That is, not all gangs like them were formed in Western Ukraine.

      Don't fool yourself. Almost all national battalions were NOT formed in Western Ukraine.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 20 August 2022 00: 21
        So am I about that.
  20. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 19 August 2022 21: 43
    +1 вот уровень людей. Вместе живут, друг от друга не отличаются, не упоротые свидомиты.
  21. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 August 2022 09: 20
    Are they waiting for Russia today in Novorossiya and Ukraine?

    Doesn't matter. Absolutely.
    The policy of the Russian authorities in the liberated territories is important.
    With a competent policy - 80% in a year or two or three will become loyal citizens of the Russian Federation.
    15% will either emigrate or keep a fig in their pocket. 5% will either be killed or will develop the uninhabited outskirts of Russia.
    After the civil war in the 20th century, the situation was similar, only much worse.
    But, albeit with difficulties, they surfaced.
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 22 August 2022 17: 29
      Where to see a competent policy! Where to see professionals? Where do they come from!? All effective managers and politicians, resources and territories sold, businessmen, nano-technologists, IT-tax specialists! Optimizers, capitalizers, rhymers. If only, if only, Manilovism 2000.
  22. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 20 August 2022 12: 50
    Where in 2014 Russian soldiers would have been greeted with flowers, now they are being shot at with all calibers. Such is the bloody retribution for the “agreements” with the Ukrainian Nazis and the “Western partners” behind them.

    All right, but let's be honest. Nevertheless, the "agreements" were concluded not with the Nazis, but with the Ukrainian authorities, who skillfully operate within their country with nationalist ideology ...
  23. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 20 August 2022 18: 23
    This is the territory of Russia. Whoever doesn’t like it, let’s go to Galicia. My ancestors fought there with the Turks, and now whether people like it or not, we shouldn’t worry. The word Ukraine should disappear from the world map. Nobody touched them for 30 years, a lot of money there they invested gas for free, and they would only kill us. They gave the territory to the Kazakhs, Ukrainians, Poles, Balts, and now everyone is standing in line to kill us. Don't be fools, friends.
  24. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 21 August 2022 10: 17
    Since 2014, shopping malls who were waiting for Russia have been destroyed. And not a word about it...
  25. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 21 August 2022 14: 02
    Ukraine is a transparent "country". Everything is clear with her. The people there are different. There are real ones and there are zombies. In general, the country is a levois for sale. You can pay, or you can take it by force. The main zombie there is a drug addict. "Man" without conscience and honor. Actually worse than Hitler. In our time, do not put people in the country in which they live in anything. In Africa, cannibals were better. You can earn, steal, drink everything at last, but rent out living people. To call him a terrorist in the N1 world is how bin Laden used his own money to fight the enemy of humanity. This scumbag destroys the Slavs for money and the powder of the enemy of mankind. For centuries will remain a symbol of evil N1.
  26. Olga Kosanovskaya (Olga Kosanovskaya) 4 September 2022 01: 35
    Odessa is waiting