Where will Russian tanks stop in Ukraine?


I wanted to write this text for a long time, it’s not only overdue, it’s overripe, and although the conclusions from it are obvious even to a child, our entire inconsistent, vague position on Ukraine and the future that we have prepared for it based on the results of the SVO led to the fact that no one in Ukraine or in the Russian Federation has the slightest idea what real plans the Kremlin is pursuing in this operation, and where the Russian tanks will stop at the end? What kind of reaction does the Kremlin expect from Ukrainians, even if their own citizens of the Russian Federation ask me questions like this:


- It is not quite clear how the war should end. We will destroy all the Armed Forces of Ukraine and enter Kyiv? And what will happen next? Or we will completely liberate the DPR and LPR and, leaving Kherson and most of the Zaporozhye region behind us, drag out the war until the economy Ukraine and the West supporting it? But Ukrainians can endure for a long time, living on pasture without wages. Who will even ask them? Well, if there is a war with Europe, then on which theater? Again in Ukraine?

- What to say. It is clear that our higher policy and the military leaders initially made grave mistakes. No one in Ukraine was waiting for us with towels! They thought that a cavalry charge would also do. And it turned out to be the hardest war between Russians and Russians, it couldn’t be worse! I think it will last for a long time and with an outcome that is not yet clear to all of us.

What kind of towels do my readers count on when Ukrainians, even those who sympathized with Moscow before February 24, see Russian troops leaving Kyiv, Sumy, Chernigov and repressions of the junta’s security forces returning to these cities? Here, with the beginning of the SVO, such fascism began, which Hitler and Goebbels could not even dream of. If these ghouls are now watching us from hell, then they have only one question: “Well, it turns out that it was possible?”. And the fascist-Zelensky, gurgling up to his throat in the blood of his fellow citizens and blaming Putin for this, answers them: “It’s not possible, but it was necessary!”. Directly, as in a joke - "not mona, but nuna!". With such a policy of Moscow, it is difficult to blame the Kherson teachers who do not want to go to work on September 1 - you will leave tomorrow, and we will live here! The junta in its agony not only forbids its citizens to act against it, but even does not allow them to think in this direction. Even at home in the kitchen with closed doors and curtains, people are afraid to turn on the Russian channel, what if the neighbor hears and lays down. Even Orwell did not think of this before - people became hostages of their own gadgets, where, if desired, you can find compromising evidence on anyone, accusing him of sympathizing with the aggressor. I already wrote about a Kharkiv resident who ended up “in the basement” only for the phrase: “I am Russian and I am proud of it!”, which he wrote on Twitter before the war.

Let's remember how it all began:

I have decided to conduct a special military operation. Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years. And for this we will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. As well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation

Vladimir Putin said in his famous address to Russian citizens on February 24.

It would seem, what is unclear here? The goals and objectives of the NWO were determined at the beginning of the operation. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are systematically fulfilling them. Albeit with some hiccups, but everything is going according to plan. according to the GDP plan. It will all end with the trial of war criminals (over those who survive). So I wrote in February, but already in March some oddities began in the operation. Some kind of shying from side to side, incomprehensible negotiations between Medinsky and a gang of drug addicts and gopniks in tracksuits, all sorts of “goodwill gestures” with the withdrawal of our troops, the unblocking of ports and the sale of Ukrainian grain. It is hard to imagine a Stalin allowing Hitler to earn money for the war against him. And we are also driving gas through the Ukrainian GTS, paying off the junta for transit, by the way, we are driving it to the Czech Republic and Slovakia, along with our oil, and in return they supply Kyiv with their weapons, tanks and planes that kill our soldier. Some kind of progressive delirium of the 4th level, don't you think? Add to this the words of Maria Zakharova and her boss Sergei Lavrov that we are not pursuing the task of changing the political leadership in Kyiv in order to completely go crazy. How the task of denazification should be solved in this case remains a big question, after all, not by the hands of the Nazis themselves ?! That is why people ask me questions, because the Russian state itself does not give them answers to them. And jokes about two Russian paratroopers sitting on the steps of the Capitol, looking at its smoking ruins and arguing that we did lose the information war to the West, in this case look like some kind of bitter sadomasochism. Because if you do not fill the information vacuum, then your opponent will fill it. And he copes with this perfectly - the behavior of Ukrainians, even in the territories we have liberated, is a clear confirmation of this.

I will try to fill this gap. It is completely clear to me, and it was clear back on February 24, that the Kremlin will stop only at the western borders of Ukraine, which, as a result of the NVO, will disappear from the political map of the world as a state formation, becoming part of the Russian Federation. This is the only way to eliminate the threat from its side to our security once and for all, solving in one fell swoop all the problems, both with the Nazisation of the population, and with the claims of the collective West on it, and the debts that its rulers managed to accumulate over 30 years of independence - there is no country, no debts, to whom we owe, we forgive everyone. But since this is not obvious to everyone, I will describe the situation, what will happen if, God forbid, we stop halfway, retaining at least a piece of this territorial misunderstanding hostile to us.

History lessons


You don't have to go far. History teaches us only that it teaches nothing (I hope that this time we will not repeat past mistakes!). In 1919, the victorious countries in the First World War at the Paris Peace Conference imposed a number of agreements on the losing countries, the most famous of which is the Treaty of Versailles, according to which three empires disappeared from the political map of the world at once, German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman, and on their fragments a number of new states emerged. The main conceptual mistake of the victorious side was the preservation of the losing Weimar Republic, which arose on the fragments of the German Empire after the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm from the throne, a 100-strong army, its own government and a bunch of revanchist organizations, the most massive of which was the organization of veterans of the German army "Steel Helmet", only dreaming of revenge and the restoration of the former greatness of Greater Germany. How it ended, everyone knows. Already in 1933, on the wave of populism and revanchism, Hitler came to power in Germany and after 5 years the world plunged into a new world war, which claimed several times more lives than the previous one, known in the Old World as the Great.

Some of you doubt that if you save at least a piece of statehood in Ukraine, on any kind of land, then in a couple of years such a monster will grow up there, pumped up with the weapons of our sworn Western "partners", which we can no longer cope with so easily? So why should we plant this time bomb for ourselves, which will blow us to pieces? Why live all this time, as if on a powder keg, expecting terrorist attacks and direct aggression from an insane neighbor obsessed with ideas of revenge? Why leave such a trump card in the hands of our enemies? Wouldn't it be easier to nip this infection in the bud by destroying the very statehood of Ukraine? Transferring part of the dusty closet of Bandera into the hands of the Poles, they say, let them deal with this scum themselves, I also think it would be a mistake - they will figure it out so that it won’t seem enough to us, they themselves have a lot of territorial claims against us, as if Ukrainians did not become their shock fist in a campaign to the east to implement the idea of ​​Greater Poland "from mozha to mozha".

We ourselves demonstrated how to solve such problems in 1945 together with our former allies. The defeated Nazi Germany and its allies were divided into zones of influence, Germany itself was divided into sectors, Berlin received a special status. All Nazi war criminals were brought to trial, the most notorious, covered in blood, shot, accomplices and fellow travelers were deprived of their rights. For four years, Germany did not have its own government, it was ruled by the temporary administrations of the victorious countries. A complete denazification of the country was carried out, with the banning of all Nazi parties and organizations, starting with the NSDAP, the National Socialist Union of Women and the Hitler Youth, and ending even with the National Socialist Union of Motorcyclists. All adult Germans filled out certificates of what they did and what they did in the period from 1933 to 1945. Without this “certificate of purification” (as it was literally called), they could not find a job.

The result exceeded all expectations - in Germany there is still nothing more shameful than accusations of Nazism. And this result was forged in schools (and why do you think the Ukrainian Nazis took up them in the first place?), where the education system was completely revised with the replacement of all textbooks, especially in socio-political disciplines. And the USSR in the Soviet zone of occupation in this difficult time for him did not skimp on spending his money on this. Even Hitler took this into account when he said that "the military leader has to finish the job after the teacher and the priest, wars begin where the teacher has failed and where the priest has failed." You can see the result even now, 70 years later - East Germans are strikingly different from Western ones, in the eastern lands the number of people who understand Putin and approve of his policies is many times greater than in the former Germany. The demilitarization of defeated fascist Germany lasted 10 years, until 1955 the FRG and the GDR did not have their own armies at all, and after 1955 they, if they arose, were only under the control and supervision of two warring blocs - NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

Another good example is Finland, an ally of Nazi Germany, having left World War II in 1944 and even taking part in the strange Lapland War against its former allies, nevertheless, at the end of WWII, under the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947, it was deprived of its rights and was forced to agree to the loss of 10% of its territory, limiting the size and composition of its Armed Forces (with a ban on having nuclear weapons, submarines, bombers and a number of other weapons) and paying 300 million dollar reparations. In addition, all pro-fascist and pro-Nazi parties and organizations were officially banned in Finland and the activities of the Democratic Union of the Finnish People, in fact the Communist Party of Finland, which all this time was either part of the Finnish government or participated in its formation, were allowed.

In the post-war years, Finland managed to take a steadfast position of neutrality, retaining a democratic system and a market economy, but at the same time becoming one of the most important strategic partners of the USSR (all anti-Soviet propaganda was even unofficially banned there). The basis of foreign policy towards the USSR was the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance between the USSR and Finland concluded on April 6, 1948 (which has become in fact a military alliance between the two countries if the threat to them comes from Germany or any state allied with it). Unfortunately, in January 1992, Finland unilaterally withdrew from both the Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 and the Soviet-Finnish Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance with the USSR, in connection with which the Finnish government abandoned all political and military restrictions imposed by on it by the aforementioned agreements. The current president of Finland, Sauli Niinistö, along with his prime minister, Sanna Marin, went even further (where, you yourself know) by requesting NATO membership.

Summary


With sadness, we can state that instead of the Finlandization of Ukraine, the Ukrainization of Europe took place, which the whole path of Russophobia and fascisization that Nezalezhnaya went through in 8 years is going through an accelerated program in some six months, and if we don’t finish off this vermin here in Ukraine, we’ll give if it survives in at least some truncated quality, then we will reap such a storm, with the consequences of which we can no longer cope. Then, after a short preparatory pause, necessary for the concentration of all the resources available in the West, the war will be waged by the entire united collective West already on our territory, and the vanguard in this war will be the unfinished Ukrofascists, who, together with their ideological Polish, Baltic and other brothers, will go to his last and decisive campaign to the East - Drang nah Austin.

That's all I have on this topic. Think for yourself what we should do in Ukraine, and do not think that the Kremlin does not understand this. Therefore, for me personally, the question of where the Russian tanks will stop is not worth it. Stop where you need to be! Your Mr H.
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  1. Sergey Kuzmin Offline Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin (Sergei) 15 August 2022 09: 20
    +16
    already in March, some strange things began to happen in the operation. Some kind of shying from side to side, incomprehensible negotiations between Medinsky and a gang of drug addicts and gopniks in tracksuits, all sorts of “goodwill gestures” with the withdrawal of our troops, the unblocking of ports and the sale of Ukrainian grain. It is hard to imagine a Stalin allowing Hitler to earn money for the war against him. And we are also driving gas through the Ukrainian GTS, paying off the junta for transit, by the way, we are driving it to the Czech Republic and Slovakia, along with our oil, and in return they supply Kyiv with their weapons, tanks and planes that kill our soldier. Some kind of progressive delirium of the 4th level, don't you think? Add to this the words of Maria Zakharova and her boss Sergey Lavrov that we are not pursuing the task of changing the political leadership in Kyiv in order to completely go crazy. How should the task of denazification be solved in this case remains a big question, after all, not by the hands of the Nazis themselves?! That is why people ask me questions, because the Russian state itself does not give them answers to them. And jokes about two Russian paratroopers sitting on the steps of the Capitol, looking at its smoking ruins and arguing that we did lose the information war to the West, in this case look like some kind of bitter sadomasochism. Because if you do not fill the information vacuum, then your opponent will fill it. And he does an excellent job with this - the behavior of Ukrainians, even in the territories we have liberated, is a clear confirmation of this.

    How lacking in the current Russian media, which unexpectedly turned out to be at the forefront in the emerging INFORMATION FRONT, is the clear and intelligible voice of Molotov:

    The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!
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    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 16 August 2022 07: 39
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Kuzmin
      The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!

      These are the words at the end of each program "Big Politics" on the first TV that the presenter, his grandson, Vyacheslav Nikonov, says.
    3. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 06
      +4
      I know that I will get a lot of cons, but I will say. In the USSR, too, not everyone spoke to the people, and people were often perplexed by the actions of the government. The enemy will be defeated, it was said in 1941, when everything fell into place, and after the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, many also scratched their heads: Nazi Germany and we are friends? .. And what was the answer: wait, this is for a year or two, but shall we fight there? Now we know the reasons that prompted the leadership to agree to an agreement, but do we all know about what is happening on the sidelines now? Sometimes you can't tell people everything.
  2. Victorio Offline Victorio
    Victorio (Victorio) 15 August 2022 09: 22
    +2
    Where will Russian tanks stop in Ukraine?

    it may happen that in berlin
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 15 August 2022 09: 58
      -3
      It will not happen, there is little strength, and the Wishlist has not grown.
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  3. GIS Offline GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 15 August 2022 09: 25
    +7
    let it be preserved in at least some truncated quality, then we will reap such a storm, with the consequences of which we can no longer cope.

    agree completely. it is a pity that many of our citizens do not understand this, and the leadership is silent for some reason I do not understand.
    I believe that among the leadership of the country there are those who are still striving with all their thoughts for life "in the Western community of developed and equal countries" ... they are pulling us into the abyss because of their illusions. and the more Europe will splash out its negativity, hysteria and "fight to the last Ukrainian", the more likely these people will either change their minds or leave them
    1. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
      Luenkov (Arkady) 15 August 2022 17: 17
      +3
      Many do not understand the desire to leave something from Ukraine. Passed already...
      1. GIS Offline GIS
        GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 07: 31
        0
        and do not leave anything from Ukraine. warned the West: Ukraine is the flesh of the flesh of Russia and do not pull your little hands in it.
  4. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 15 August 2022 09: 41
    +12
    Wherever Russian tanks stop, one thing is clear, from that moment on they must remain there forever, guarding the new frontiers of their homeland. Otherwise, again Russophobic covens, laboratories, training grounds for the Fashington army, and so on.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 20 August 2022 16: 39
      +1
      Sidor Kovpak. Now fallen in battle with covid, he said that Russian tanks would stop on the shores of the Indian Ocean to wash their hooves.
  5. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 15 August 2022 09: 53
    -11
    It is necessary to create a sufficiently capable state on the territory of Ukraine, Novorossia or Little Russia, as you like, as part of several regions of Ukraine, but by no means as part of Russia. A number of allies of the Russian Federation recognize Novorossia and then the attacks and shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be represented as an attack by Ukraine on a sovereign state, at least this is the position that Russia should adhere to in the UN
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 15 August 2022 10: 00
      +2
      Let's create a new Ukraine, and what do you think we all won't start anew.
    2. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
      Sydor Kovpak 15 August 2022 16: 40
      +9
      They had 100 years after the creation of Ukraine, 30 years of which were INDEPENDENT. And LITTLE RUSSIA AND NOVOROSSIYA is another NEDOROSSIYA and a territory with questionable governance. And again, the Kolomoiskys and Akhmetovs will trade the country. In Kievan Rus, all nine lives ended. Further, only as part of the Russian Federation and under the leadership of Moscow, so that later there was no one to blame.
      1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
        Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 15 August 2022 16: 58
        0
        It is possible that this will be the case. As in the case of Abkhazia, which is either ours or not. I meant that it is important for Russia to present the conflict in Ukraine as an international conflict in which Ukraine attacked a sovereign state, and not an internal one, as it presents it. So more likely to end the war
        1. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
          Sydor Kovpak 15 August 2022 17: 31
          +4
          Let's see. I hope for the best. Fashington needs to drag out the conflict in order to raise a wave in Russia. Our business is to sit silently and if we can help with something, then help. You need to understand that if Russia returns everything and Crimea too, then the sanctions against us will never be lifted. There will always be a reason.
          1. Fizik13 Offline Fizik13
            Fizik13 (Alexey) 15 August 2022 18: 13
            +2
            As I wrote earlier, we have been under sanctions since 1917. Mattress covers crap us, crap and will crap.
            If until 2014 our relations with the collective West were neither here nor there, they even accepted into the 7th and became the G8. Then after the 14th we lived, live and will live under sanctions. Counter-sanctions will not help much, since they do not depend on us much.
            BUT! For example, not every corporation will be able to weld high-quality titanium, cast a huge workpiece (landing gear for a Boeing and Airbus) with high quality, and then process it with high accuracy. This is not for you to melt lead on a fire, and then pour a sinker in a brick for a donkey!
            They also know how to pour titanium over the hill, but as they say, tea is different for tea. If they had all the tip-top, they would not contact us.
            You need to be able to use this. WE will sell you what you cannot do and what you do not have, and YOU will sell us the same. Nothing personal - business!
        2. Homeless Offline Homeless
          Homeless (Vladimir) 15 August 2022 19: 21
          +4
          The war must end on the border with Poland, at the same time the Polish lords will calm down.
          1. GIS Offline GIS
            GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 07: 40
            +1
            I would say SHUT UP, because their provocation (and they will) will have to hurt Poland more. and they don't like it
        3. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
          soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 29
          +1
          Even if Russia manages to present the conflict in Ukraine as an international conflict, the West will carry on as long as it has enough strength. Any reason can be thought up. Now, if he gets between the eyes, so that sparks sparkle, then he will remember about international law. They respect only strength.
    3. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
      Luenkov (Arkady) 15 August 2022 17: 19
      +3
      There is no territory of Ukraine... There has always been a terrorist organization of nationalists.
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    5. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 07: 36
      -2
      I do not completely agree with you. Nobody will control this state (newly formed) from the Russian Federation. example of the same Ukraine, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Armenia. NOBODY will pull it, only their own selfish interests will prevail (Tymoshenko is an example). WE DO NOT HAVE SO MANY GOVERNERS! I don’t see them (even the same Medvedev is like a weather vane in the wind) .... this is sad. therefore - the Ukrainian region of the Russian Federation (well, or the volosts of Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkov, Odessa, etc.)
  6. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 15 August 2022 11: 20
    +5
    There would be no logically unreasonable "negotiations", indistinct conduct of the NWO, no one would have the idea that the Russian government is playing its role, in the global scenario of enslavement, of the whole world, "according to the rules" of the world bourgeoisie. Even on the shelling of the ZNPP, it is possible to resolve the issue, it is enough to draw a parallel - the United States is the organizer of the coup in Ukraine, sponsoring and arming the conflict. The shelling is carried out by American weapons, by American target designation, by American giving orders for shelling. All of this should be staged as a US declaration of World War 3, with a warning of a corresponding Russian nuclear response.
    But this will not happen, because this topic is not provided for in the global scenario of the bourgeoisie. Undermining the ZNPP is beneficial to the United States - it simultaneously extinguishes Russia and Europe, with all the consequences.
    Recovery (like earlier in Japan) will stretch the US economy, as always.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 07: 43
      +1
      well, they warned, well, prepared to strike nuclear weapons in the United States, iiii?
      the Americans did not fall for it, so what? What do we do?
      therefore, it only remains to put pressure on really sore points (for which we have leverage) and finish off the bastards in Ukraine
      1. skeptic Offline skeptic
        skeptic 17 August 2022 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: GIS
        well, they warned, well, prepared to strike nuclear weapons in the United States, iiii?
        the Americans did not fall for it, so what? What do we do?
        therefore, it only remains to put pressure on really sore points (for which we have leverage) and finish off the bastards in Ukraine

        Americans from Syria are driving thousands of oil fillers, oil, well, who's stopping you from donating, to anyone, Amer's weapons that will blow up the oil fields (you never know who did)? At the moment, this can collapse prices in the United States, or even free up the territory. Americans do not like to engage in extinguishing, restoration (all the same, the Syrians do not get it).
        1. GIS Offline GIS
          GIS (Ildus) 18 August 2022 16: 19
          0
          To be honest, I don't get it either. maybe our contingent there is too small to fend off the "answer" from the united forces after such an alleged kick at the oil fields? although the oil carriers were still burning in columns, fly back and nothing
          then the Iranians need to be prompted. Or is it not their area of ​​responsibility?
    2. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 31
      0
      Quote: skeptic
      Recovery (like earlier in Japan) will stretch the US economy, as always.

      It is unlikely. Is the Sun capable of warming a corpse?
      1. skeptic Offline skeptic
        skeptic 17 August 2022 20: 51
        0
        Quote from solist2424
        That is unlikely.

        Well, how can I say ... I will only believe the "corpse" floating by. The Anglo-Saxons are not fools, it is no coincidence that several continents speak English. Russia is also constantly "buried". repeat
  7. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 15 August 2022 11: 46
    +1
    We were born to make a fairy tale come true

    The author began "for peace", and ended "for health"!
    At present, we have the Russian leadership: which has lost the initiative, is acting to keep it - has exhausted itself.
    A possible way out of the impasse is that Strelkov-Girkin, de facto, takes over the command of the NVO, disperses the "Zelensky" Armed Forces of Ukraine and sits down to reign in Kyiv.
    And there, you see, the whole Russian Federation will want under his command!
    ...Story? ... Who is against?
    1. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 32
      -1
      Why not Alyosha Popovich?
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 16 August 2022 13: 20
        +1
        To give you a reason to clown! ;-(
  8. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
    Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 15 August 2022 11: 56
    +8
    ... denazification and post-war control of Germany was carried out by Stalin. Putin is not Stalin.
  9. Yatva Offline Yatva
    Yatva (I) 15 August 2022 12: 03
    +4
    They will stop at the border with psheks.
  10. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 15 August 2022 12: 14
    +3
    The misunderstandings that will be explained further are apparently due to the fact that it is becoming increasingly difficult to hide information. Min. obscures the defense, does not name the numbers of losses in equipment and in people. Rumors of hundreds of thousands of deaths are circulating on the Internet. The successes of our army are still very modest. But the authorities are full of those who would gladly give everything back, if only to return what was acquired by "overwork". There are many of them, and they gradually call, (it’s impossible otherwise - they are patriots) to finish the sooner the better.
  11. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 15 August 2022 12: 17
    +5
    The same Putin outlined the tasks of the NVO as the complete denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine.
    To do this, you need to reach the Danube and Chop.
    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 15 August 2022 13: 34
      0
      I would like to, but the strength is not enough. Enough to take, but to restore? Odessa, Zaporizhia, Dnepropetrovsk, .... NVO goes to wear down Ukraine and the West.
      1. GIS Offline GIS
        GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 07: 45
        +1
        enough strength. and there will be enough funds (Stalin did not rummage around the world banks for funds - all by themselves).
        plus the Ukrainians themselves of the territory - they are profitable for themselves
  12. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 15 August 2022 14: 37
    +6
    The path of Russophobia and fascisization that Nezalezhnaya went through in 8 years

    You, Mr. X, were a little mistaken with this expression for some 100 years, when the Austro-Hungarian Empire, represented by its General Staff, from 1914 began to create its Anti-Russia project against the Russian Empire from the inhabitants of the Galicia-Volyn principality, and in just a few years, murders, torture and abuse of the inhabitants of these lands, who had mainly Slavic-Rusyn roots, created a real Catholic antipode of the Russian Empire. And later Russia and the USSR, which in 1939 was annexed to the USSR in the form of Western Ukraine, but with the same hatred and anger towards everything Russian and Orthodox ..... I worked for a long time at the Norilsk plant, and Moldavians, Ukrainians, Caucasians came to us there for the summer for part-time work, and once I got into a conversation over a glass of "tea" with a visitor from the West .Ukrainian guy, about 30 years old, and it was somewhere in 1969-70, so he, after drinking, told me that they, i.e. Galicians-Western Ukrainians, would still soon fight the Soviets, so they were brought up with diaper and from the young nails I was taught military craft. The next day I asked the guy what he was doing to me under the hop, to which he replied that he didn’t remember anything, and after that I didn’t see him anymore, although I was wondering where he was .. ..And now the children and grandchildren of "that guy" are the driving and motivated force of all the national battalions of Ukraine, giving our guys a worthy rebuff. But all the snake kublo is located in Galicia itself, where there is a completely different faith, religion, customs and mores, multiplied by a fierce hatred for Russia and its people, so that the war will be cruel and long if we fight them with white gloves., and until we turn off their oil and gas taps, we will not turn off the electric power so that their refrigerators will flow, and We will not block the delivery of weapons, ammunition and provisions. Who wants to get to know the Galicians better, read Tempelhof and Terezin, where everything is "popular and scary" about the artificial creation of this nation.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 07: 50
      +1
      Quote: Valentine
      and until we turn off their oil and gas taps, we won’t turn off the electric power so that their refrigerators will flow, and we won’t block the delivery routes for weapons, ammunition and provisions

      I think we will come to this. Just don't give them time to get ready. so not now
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 16 August 2022 15: 00
      +2
      This is all correct, of course, but all this Galician mentality over the past 30 years has managed to spread to the whole of Ukraine, including even the southeast.
  13. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 15 August 2022 16: 33
    +1
    The author notes that it is impossible to be "half-pregnant", the military operations of the NWO, here they find out - whoever is stronger is right, which means completely putting the squeeze on and taking the rights to equip the most important neighbor - a new fraternal one. Ukraine. As part of the Russian Federation or otherwise, time will reveal the prerogatives .. Everyone agrees on this. Let's move on to the main thing, to the Russian Federation - the whole history of the rule of post-Soviet Russia, a series of betrayals, mistakes and imperfections, even after 2000, when changes for the better began, but it froze halfway ... And in my opinion, today the main thing is to create in In Russia, the functioning of the state is fair and popular, but not state-oligarchic feudal, otherwise the problems will only become more complicated. I am not for coups and riots, but for people's self-consciousness and the open action of patriotic forces, this should bear fruit. Today, obvious agents of the West act almost with impunity, when Russian, Russian patriots are imprisoned for long periods only for their beliefs ...... Today it is not known what, only V.V. Putin is hope, and he alone cannot replace everyone ... We are waiting for not easy times and a change in an incomprehensible structure, a personnel superstructure of the government of Russia (Peskovs and others), which today no longer meets the requirements, especially during the NWO ... Ukraine, Ukraine, but our garden is more important., here it is the first to bring in order, the time is not right, but it is necessary to start and decide peacefully, and there is no time to postpone .. Why don’t they want to join us, because in many ways we are no example. and without changing the governance of the country, nothing can be improved.
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  14. vdr5 Offline vdr5
    vdr5 (Elephant) 15 August 2022 17: 09
    -1
    The situation is bad both for Kyiv and for Moscow. Both can neither win nor retreat. Both suffer enormous losses and losses. In this scenario, the model will apparently be fixed: no peace, no war, which will apparently happen at the beginning of next year. Further, there will be a long-term exhausting confrontation with periodic exacerbations, how it will end, until apparently none of the parties miscalculates.
  15. Aylok Offline Aylok
    Aylok (Nikolai) 15 August 2022 17: 37
    +3
    Quote: Colonel Kudasov
    It is necessary to create a sufficiently capable state on the territory of Ukraine, Novorossia or Little Russia, as you like, as part of several regions of Ukraine, but by no means as part of Russia. A number of allies of the Russian Federation recognize Novorossia and then the attacks and shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be represented as an attack by Ukraine on a sovereign state, at least this is the position that Russia should adhere to in the UN

    This makes no sense
  16. akm8226 Offline akm8226
    akm8226 15 August 2022 19: 49
    +3
    As children. Gentlemen, I suggest you think a little. As the main commandment of a Soviet engineer says:
    - If you want to test an idea, take it to the point of absurdity.
    Well, it is clear that leaving a fascist state at our side, and even one controlled from the outside, is nonsense. So it needs to be eliminated. Question - let's imagine that today we entered the entire territory of dill, took all the cities and reached the border with Poland. Hooray! We won? And never mind. For all those thugs who are now systematically and systematically crushed by our army would begin to harm with all their might. And it is still unknown how much time and blood all this would cost. Remember - already in 1955 they finished catching Banderva in caches. 10 years! And so - a maximum of a couple more months and all the most stoned will be in the next world. The scum that remains is either already over the hill, or will be caught in the next year or two. So it turns out that the longer the SVO lasts, the less scumbags will remain to be disposed of. And without affecting the infrastructure, which will have to be restored anyway.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 15 August 2022 20: 29
      +2
      Ideological "thugs" - mainly in the second echelon.
      At the forefront - conscripts!
      1. GIS Offline GIS
        GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 08: 14
        0
        written correctly:

        The scum that remains is either already over the hill, or will be caught in the next year or two.

        this is just about the second tier
    2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 15 August 2022 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: akm8226
      So it turns out that the longer the SVO lasts, the less scumbags will remain to be disposed of.

      Yes! it has a rational grain
    3. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 16 August 2022 07: 51
      0
      Quote: akm8226
      Remember - already in 1955 they finished catching Banderva in caches. 10 years!

      The Banderaites killed my friend's father, an employee of the KGB, in 1957 in Western Ukraine during the next "cleansing" of their "cache".
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 16 August 2022 10: 16
        0
        Is the problem in "thugs"?
        In those days, the vast majority of Ukrainians were in the Red Army.
        And now?
    4. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 37
      0
      First of all, the army is being ground, and the national battalions are trying to stay in detachments.
  17. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 August 2022 20: 11
    0
    Previously, they wrote a lot of victorious reports, now they write a lot of explanations why everything is so, vague assumptions and advice from the authorities on how they should act ..
    Something not right
  18. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 15 August 2022 20: 19
    +4
    It is necessary for the Russian Federation-Russia, as the legal successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and as the owner of the territory of the former USSR republic of Ukraine, to secure Russia's ownership of this territory within the 1975 borders. (Helsinki Accords) by legislative means, unilaterally. This is the answer, where they should "Where will the Russians stop in Ukraine", but do not forget about the authorities in the Russian Federation and its personal interests. What will win?
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 08: 15
      0
      this is already understood by many
  19. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 15 August 2022 21: 31
    0
    I fully support the respected author, he writes obvious truths
  20. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 15 August 2022 23: 31
    +1
    The elimination of Ukraine as a state is an impossible task for the Russian Federation. It's like swallowing a glass of natural juice with a spoonful of poison. Ukrainian nationalists and the mass of people who hate Russia fiercely will be part of the Russian Federation? Russia will be forced to raise the economy of a corrupt country with active opposition from the population (they will blame us for stealing their European future). Russia will be forced to prove that it will be good with Russia (how much will it cost?). As a result, crests will hate us and live at our expense better than before the SVO.

    The composition of the Russian Federation is not a passage yard, went out, went in. If regions that do not want to join are swallowed up, then this is the key to undermining Russia, which we will leave to the West. Because the exit of the region in the future may provoke the exit of others, a very dangerous moment.

    It is more reasonable to take the coast to Transnistria, the entire Kherson region and the entire Donbass. Invest money here.

    The rest of Ukraine will be on the content of the West, which will not raise it (that's for sure). A comparison of living standards in Ukraine and in the "new" regions of the Russian Federation will begin.

    There is no doubt that a squabble and conflict will begin in Ukraine between Ukrainian nationalists who will try to crush the Russians in Ukraine even more. Economic revival is impossible, there is no base, only corruption, there will be no coast. The difference in life in Ukraine and in the same Kherson and Donbass will be so different that many will want to join the Russian Federation themselves.

    Only if the regions themselves achieve this, if they themselves, without Russian help, separate from Western Ukraine, will Russia be able to accept them.

    We must wait for disappointment in the West, it will certainly come.

    Maybe the Ukrainian state will fall apart earlier, right after the NWO. Then, too, options are possible (to the Dnieper).
    1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 16 August 2022 00: 16
      0
      Time is working against Russia. NATO countries will turn Ukraine into a kind of fascist Germany, they will economically support it. "The elimination of Ukraine as a state is an impossible task for the Russian Federation," this is just not a difficult and feasible task for the Russian Federation. Only so far we do not see the desire of the "elite" to defeat Ukraine.
    2. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 08: 18
      -1
      stop-stop, hold your horses. as the SVO is maintained, most of the foggy ones will disappear, Europe will go to eat up ... without salt, and Ukraine will disappear as a result. regions are self-sufficient (the main thing is that the state would be a plus and not into the pocket of another Deripaska / Lisin)
    3. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 39
      0
      Following your logic, Chechnya should also be left independent.
  21. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 16 August 2022 02: 01
    -1
    The NWO will end within the boundaries of the year 39. According to the results of the NWO, Ukraine will be fragmented and disappear. Now favorable conditions for bargaining are being knocked out, since the West would like to get the whole bad hand off us, creating a smut for a whole generation to come.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 08: 23
      0
      I think not 39 but 46th
      and so yes, let the "suitcase without a handle" be slandered with it a little, you see, either your hands fall off to wear it, or your legs refuse to walk (gas / oil)
  22. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
    bsk_una (Nick) 16 August 2022 03: 10
    +3
    ... They will stop where they need to! ... The fog did not dissipate. Because the resources of military operations do not correspond to the tasks. Anticipating such a task, the MOD was unable to focus on its implementation. The role of the state has been lost, because the capitalist state is not capable of uniting either the people and this state - the goals are different, even opposite. The country's resources are distributed not in the public direction, but for the "good" of the capitalists, in private hands, and then these resources can already be used to fight against the people who defend this state. What is the purpose of the state: the state itself or the country and the people? This is where the harsh truth lies. While the birds in the government are fluttering from branch to branch, the effect of the state is zero, and maybe even negative.
  23. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 16 August 2022 03: 34
    +3
    So far it's very sad. If Odessa and Kharkov are not liberated, at least, then the entire NWO is a "goodwill gesture." The West will answer us vilely.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 08: 21
      0
      for this it is necessary to "prepare" them, namely: to destroy the maximum combat-ready composition of the Armed Forces, their weapons, fuels and lubricants and the command staff of course, and gradually disconnect them from gas and electricity. then they will be ready
  24. Gennady P. Offline Gennady P.
    Gennady P. (Gennady Obrezkov) 16 August 2022 03: 52
    +1
    About SVO...
    My opinion on the topic:
    You can’t play give-away with Ukrainians and forgive them endlessly. They need sanitizing from 3D:
    - Denazification.
    - Demilitarization.
    - De-Ukrainization.
    What remains of them must forever become part of Russia, dissolve in it, re-educate and return to its original state - become Russian again ...
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 16 August 2022 08: 21
      0
      GDP said at the beginning of the year

      if you want decommunization, you will have decommunization ...
    2. Gennady P. Offline Gennady P.
      Gennady P. (Gennady Obrezkov) 18 August 2022 02: 54
      0
      Why did I mention de-Ukrainization... Analyzing the past and my impressions of Ukrainian reality, I came to the conclusion that the ideology of Ukraine is based on three pillars - envy of Russia, hatred of Russians, the desire to spoil Russia and Russians everywhere, always, everywhere and in everything. And all this viciousness arose and established itself as an element of independence, self-affirmation as a separate "great Ukrainian nation", whose history lasts for more than one million years and other troubles. And Galicia served as a fuse for the Ukrainian grenade, with its symbiosis of megalomania and an inferiority complex. As a result, Ukrainian fascism was born. And it will always rise from the ashes until the environment that gives birth to it, the Ukrainian statehood, is destroyed. That's why I wrote - de-Ukrainization ...
  25. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 16 August 2022 07: 46
    +1
    In the English Channel they will stop. Because when Russia finishes in Ukraine, the pndos will set fire to the Baltic states/Georgia/Finland/Poland, etc. Not to mention the Kyrgyz Republic and Tajikistan.
    As long as the pndos are present in Eurasia, neither China nor Russia will have a quiet life.
  26. eskkimo Offline eskkimo
    eskkimo (eskkimo) 16 August 2022 08: 58
    -1
    Can't you there in Russia understand that there is a people, Ukrainians, who wants to be on its own, who was feeling well of Russia, and who has been forced currently to tolerate the local Nazis?
    1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 16 August 2022 09: 29
      0
      We in Russia KNOW that there are no Ukrainians, there are Little Russians, flesh and blood Russian people. KNOW this and you. As for the rest, what is called Ukraine is now in occupation and the Russians are liberating their Russian territories. Therefore, we will kill those who consider themselves Ukrainians and Nazis, at present they are one and the same.
    2. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 16 August 2022 10: 19
      0
      "Knife to the throat"?
      If NATO had not stuck its nose (missiles) into Ukraine, there would have been no problems!
    3. soloist2424 Online soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 16 August 2022 10: 45
      +2
      Can't you there in EU understand that there is a lot of people, Ukrainians, who wants to be with Russia, who was feeling bad being with you?
  27. Essex62 Offline Essex62
    Essex62 (Alexander) 17 August 2022 23: 16
    +1
    We will all reap the storm, in both hemispheres. In one instantaneous, short flash in the crystals of the eyes. Well, there, as our prophesied to whom, she decided. Who will go to heaven, who will just die. There was not any tortured and deliberate plan. The Crimean scenario, flowers on the armor, a coup in Kyiv ... and a bummer. Everything is coming to an end. A vigorous loaf, like a gun on the wall, in the last act dies, they made it for such an occasion. It stagnated. What choice is there? No, well, you can give up to slow down, saying that the goals of the SVO have been fulfilled. And what? Managers will swallow. All these troubles for the Pepsi generation on a percussion instrument. They have phantom pains, many born in the USSR, and cannot be. For 30 years they have been nurturing a nation without ideology. So what are we waiting for.
  28. Kim195 Offline Kim195
    Kim195 (Egor) 18 August 2022 11: 14
    +1
    Che equate the Stalin era with the current bourgeois! Both sons of Stalin fought for the country! Many sons of bureaucrats are now fighting on 404 ?! Zero whole shish tenths! And the money of the bourgeoisie does not smell, that's why they trade with enemies!
  29. art_2 Offline art_2
    art_2 (Mikhail Yuryevich Artemyev) 19 August 2022 09: 28
    0
    With such leadership - in Vladivostok.
  30. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 19 August 2022 22: 29
    0
    Author, where is it? It was impossible to delay with Avdeevka, Kharkov, Nikolaev and Odessa. Odessa is the key to Kyiv. Kyiv must become Russian. And what to do with Galicia? Only I have vague doubts...