Military expert appreciated Kyiv's statement on the loss of two Su-35 squadrons by the Russian Aerospace Forces


Some time ago, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine disseminated information that since the beginning of the Russian special operation on Ukrainian territory, the Russian Aerospace Forces have lost 24 modern Su-35 fighters, i.e. 2 squadrons of 12 aircraft each. This information was picked up by information resources controlled by Kyiv, starting to pass them off as yet another “overcome”.


This drew the attention of a Russian military observer, retired colonel Mikhail Khodarenok, who on August 13 assessed the mentioned statements and commented on what was happening in his Telegram channel.

To begin with, about losses as a species. They happen in battles, but it’s pointless to talk specifically about the Su-35. This is the latest machine for gaining air supremacy. Partially, these vehicles were tasked with suppressing Ukrainian air defense in the early days, so the presence of the Su-35 terribly annoys the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a phenomenon

- Explained the expert.

He recalled that in 2020, Russia had only 70 Su-35 units. Consequently, the absence of a significant number of such aircraft would be very noticeable. Therefore, the assertions that the Russian Aerospace Forces lost more than 1/3 (34%) of the available Su-35s do not correspond to reality.

The Su-35 is the most problematic target (not counting the Su-57) for Ukrainian air defense. The vehicle is armed with long-range air-to-ground missiles and can use weapons outside the firing range of the Buk air defense system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The detection range of Su-35 air targets is approaching 400 km, so for the Russian fighter in the Ukrainian airspace expanse

- he added.

Khodarenok summed up that if the Russian Aerospace Forces had a shortage of Su-35s, then the Ukrainian Air Force would not lose 267 of its aircraft, since without these magnificent fighters it would be problematic to achieve such a result.

Note that if the Russian Aerospace Forces really experienced a shortage of Su-35s, then 21 such fighters would not was for many months on the territory of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant. Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAZ) in anticipation of buyers from Iran, but would have taken part in the NWO for a long time.
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  1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 August 2022 15: 01
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    In 2014, I don’t remember and I don’t want to remember, my aunt was alone. So she generally stated about the losses of 160-Tu 160, ... 27-Su 27 and so on. wassat Everything is expected. We were mentally prepared for such news from the first seconds of the beginning of the NWO.
    It is interesting to listen. How did they shoot down the Su 35 in such quantities?
    1. the Saint Offline the Saint
      the Saint (Santa Claus) 14 August 2022 16: 35
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      Often confused with the Su-30SM. For example, Lieutenant Colonel S.S. Kosik, taken prisoner and shown on YouTube, was shot down according to some data on the Su-35, and according to others - on the Su-30SM. And the Su-30 was shot down quite a lot. Only on March 5, Russia confirmed the loss of two Su-30SMs (one double) and two Su-34s, plus three helicopters. And all in one day. And at the airfield near Novofedorovka on August 9, from 7 to 9 units of Su-24 and Su-30 were lost.
      1. Yuri Kulemin_2 Offline Yuri Kulemin_2
        Yuri Kulemin_2 (Yura Kulemin) 14 August 2022 20: 27
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        Where is the data from? From social networks given by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, British intelligence officers and scientists, or from Lucy Arestovich herself? lol
        PS: And yes, the control question, for filling - And the Su-30SM, are there single and double?
        1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 15 August 2022 07: 48
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          Quote: Yuri Kulemin_2
          control question, for filling - And the Su-30SM, are there single and double?

          And you are evil lol destroyed the character's "reality". There are losses, but according to the participants in the events, in aviation they are somewhere between 1: 9/10. There is simply nothing to bring down the same -35th; 31 doesn't come close at all; the most dashing are, of course, drummers and helicopter pilots, but they also don’t worry
      2. Insiladan Offline Insiladan
        Insiladan (Michael) 15 August 2022 20: 13
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        March 5 "Russia confirmed" the loss of the Su-30 in the combat zone? On what resource, how, very interesting? And all the planes you listed apparently were shot down by the "Phantom of Kyiv"? From a Mauser, probably with one bullet, he is also the "Hero of Ukraine", he can. More precisely, I already could, I didn’t manage to do it alone.
      3. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 16 August 2022 09: 40
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        Approximately 200000 Ukrainians are probably jumping with pride along with Bandera in hell from such news.
    2. zloybond Offline zloybond
      zloybond (steppenwolf) 15 August 2022 11: 18
      +2
      In any case, this is a war and losses are inevitable. BUT to give classified information as knowledge of some figures by a military pensioner is nonsense.
    3. reader Offline reader
      reader (BTB) 16 August 2022 11: 43
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      Quote: Observer2014
      How did they shoot down the Su 35 in such quantities?

      Javelins, what else? )))
  2. Irek Offline Irek
    Irek (Paparazzi Kazan) 14 August 2022 16: 10
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    Cattle from slingshots shot down our planes.
  3. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 14 August 2022 16: 13
    +2
    In general, I expected news and videos like, an airplane flies over the city, then it slows down and turns into a robot (transformer in short), descends to the people shouted something in Ukrainian, he was answered in chorus also in Ukrainian. He jumps up, turns into a plane and flies away. All this will be called the Kyiv Falcon and they will expect victories from him .... AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WILL BELIEVE IN IT!
  4. Seal Offline Seal
    Seal (Sergey Petrovich) 14 August 2022 16: 56
    +1
    Ty, Khokhols a month ago or a little less in all seriousness (Khokhlyatsky seriously) showed a video of how they shot down a couple of our SU-57s :-)))))))))))
  5. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 14 August 2022 19: 09
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    Let's just say that believing the statements of our Defense Ministry about the absence of losses is a dubious idea.
    To believe Arestovich and Co. is an even more dubious idea. These lie in such a way that ours never dreamed of.

    Considering that the "news" appeared immediately after Novofedorovka, most likely the "figure" taking into account everything that was on satellite images with the hull of the Su-27.
    Perhaps the truth was lost in total 24 su-27, su-30, su-34 and su-35.
    I will never be surprised if the planes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also got in there. Fortunately, it is difficult to establish belonging from the photo of the wreckage lying on the ground.
    1. Yuri Kulemin_2 Offline Yuri Kulemin_2
      Yuri Kulemin_2 (Yura Kulemin) 14 August 2022 20: 42
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      What are you talking about? Give at least one example of a statement by our Defense Ministry about the absence of losses. Naturally, we have losses. And MO does not deny it. But there has never been a statement that we have no losses.
  6. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 14 August 2022 19: 49
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    Quote: Observer2014
    It is interesting to listen. How did they shoot down the Su 35 in such quantities?

    But what about that grandmother with a jar of cucumbers that knocked our flyers off the balcony? Why is she not an independent air defense? laughing
    She is not even air defense, but VKS - Inhalation Coconut Forces, of which there are many in the square.
  7. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 14 August 2022 22: 28
    +2
    Pointless conversation. Expert Khodaryonok does not know how many were shot down. The statement that we would have noticed it only worsens the impression of the situation. If there is no data, then it is better not to raise such questions.
  8. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 14 August 2022 23: 12
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    Quote: Yuri Kulemin_2
    Give at least one example of a statement by our Defense Ministry about the absence of losses.

    Offhand from the most revealing.
    On the evenings of February 24, 25 and 26, the Defense Ministry at official briefings announced "no losses."
    From the last - Novofedorovka. "There are no losses in equipment and personnel." Although it exploded so that even in the neighboring village there are destructions and victims.
    Yes, and a satellite image of the airfield in the public domain has already been posted.
  9. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 15 August 2022 00: 58
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    The pace of the so-called. SVO raises questions. It seems that time does not work for the Russian Federation. In six months (!) not even the Donbass will be freed from the Ukronazi scum....
  10. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 15 August 2022 01: 11
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    Khodarenok recalled that in 2020, Russia had only 70 Su-35 units.

    What kind of military expert is he if he doesn’t know that the Su-35s were purchased under two contracts, the first for 48 units, the second for 50 units. The term of the second contract is until the end of 2020.
    Accordingly, the videoconferencing should include 98 units. Su-35
    Of these, 4 units in the aerobatic team "Russian Knights".
    Part of the Su-35 on a rotational basis is on duty in Syria.
    If there are only 70 Su-35 units left in the VKS, then the losses are really great, but I want to believe that this is another Ukrop Fake.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 15 August 2022 18: 26
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      They really wrote about the fact that the Aerospace Forces use 70 out of 98 fighters, but this was even before the start of the NWO, so it is impossible that we lost 28 aircraft in Ukraine. Where are they, another question, except for the thought that they were sent for storage, nothing no more comes to mind
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        1. akm8226 Offline akm8226
          akm8226 15 August 2022 09: 54
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          Let's take a simple example - the losing side is simply obliged to bear losses in manpower, territories and equipment. I am not saying this, this is the German General Staff speaking. Well, let's start - from the beginning of the NMD, Banderstan lost Crimea, Donbass, a bunch of related territories, 200 thousand at least stubborn Banderva, and 10 million who were kicked over the hill. I don’t even mention the milled military equipment and the absence of litakivs and winged wings from Banderstan. It's called win in kaklostanski
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        4. VladZ Offline VladZ
          VladZ (Vladimir) 15 August 2022 15: 15
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          But I watch daily UkrTV and see what kind of "noodles" they hang on the ears of the Ukrainian layman in the form of "information hygiene". There, according to Gaidai, the Luhansk region is still trembling in two settlements of Verkhnekamenka and Belogorovka, which he brazenly slanders and passes off as Verkhnekamenskoe and Belogorivka from Donetsk. I don’t even want to comment on how the Ukrainian “political education” is now hysterically talking about how the Russians are shelling themselves at the ZNPP. It looks so stupid and funny, although you and your "brothers" willingly believe in it. So, painfully, the question of whose ears are covered with "noodles" and which people are "stupid" is rather controversial. In any case, we are able to deal with our "noodles" by referring to a host of other information sources. But you just need the truth, which you like best. You and your Bandera government simply do not accept another. What about the outcome of the war? Yes, we may not win this war, but there is no doubt that Ukraine will lose this war. Remember my words in a couple of months...
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  12. Pensioner of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Retired of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) 15 August 2022 07: 33
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    From the last - Novofedorovka. "There are no losses in equipment and personnel."
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 15 August 2022 09: 29
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      Quote: Pensioner of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
      From the last - Novofedorovka. "There are no losses in equipment and personnel."

      if you are taking pictures, then do you consider the option of photomontage? but unless you are there, you or trusted persons have been there
  13. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 15 August 2022 12: 07
    -5
    You can say whatever you like, convincing our enemies that everything is bad with us, therefore the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not far off, since there is essentially no other information Our Ming. defenses hide losses, therefore, even on our Internet, you can find horrific figures of the loss of our army both in people and in equipment.
    1. Luca Chrome Offline Luca Chrome
      Luca Chrome (Peter) 15 August 2022 12: 22
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      In what "yours"? Who, what, when and why hides? The internet is a garbage dump...
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  16. Stalker Offline Stalker
    Stalker (Stalker) 15 August 2022 14: 06
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    The author, well, you and ...)) if you write, then write specifically who is where when, why people are misled .. And then the patriots cheer ... they tear proving that this is a unique creation of Russian engineers it is simply not possible to shoot down in flight ...

    Named the approximate cost of damage to Russia from a strike on an airfield in the Crimea

    The 43rd Separate Naval Assault Aviation Regiment of the Black Sea Fleet is based at the Saki airfield. A few days before the explosion, according to satellite images, there were more than 20 aircraft near the airfield. Mostly Su-30SM fighters and Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft, one heavy military transport Il-76 and several helicopters. If so, then before the explosion at the airfield there was aircraft worth $650 million - $850 million.

    In the pictures after the explosion, a lot of aircraft was destroyed. According to Forbes, Russian aircraft cost approximately:

    ✅ Su-30SM - $50 million
    ✅ Su-24MR - $6 million
    ✅ IL-76 – $86 million
    ✅ Su-30SM fighter - $50 million

    Depending on various data, the amount of losses can vary from $55 million to up to $450 million:

    ✅ According to Ukraine, Russia lost 9 aircraft at the airfield in Novofedorovka. Not exactly what - is unknown. Therefore, the amount of losses can vary from $55 million to $450 million.

    ✅ If we take intelligence from other sources as a basis, at least 11 aircraft were destroyed - 5 Su-30SM and 6 Su-24MR fighters. Then the amount of damage is about $ 300 million.

    ✅ If the losses are as follows - 8 Su-27, 4 Su-30SM, 5 Su-24, 6 Mi-8 and Il-20 - the total amount of damage is about $380 million.
    1. meandr51 Offline meandr51
      meandr51 (Andrei) 15 August 2022 22: 33
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      Very interesting version.
    2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 16 August 2022 09: 43
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      What are you grinding? People like you are treated with bleach. You sprinkle sense. To not stink.
  17. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 15 August 2022 21: 02
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    "Analysis" from an "expert" is not for thinking people, but for jingoistic patriots ... winked
  18. Degrin Offline Degrin
    Degrin (Alexander) 16 August 2022 08: 52
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    Ukrainians believe, do not respect themselves. It seems that there, with them, whoever lies better is the one oh
    1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 16 August 2022 09: 47
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      Ukrainian Nazis are bastards, brought "by the whole world", which naturally with them to a bestial state. These non-humans live in a "picture", the so-called. performances, they have no morals, no principles, no dreams, it happened ..
      1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
        Vox Populi (vox populi) 16 August 2022 12: 58
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        You have a direct road to the NSDAP ... winked
        1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
          Vox Populi (vox populi) 17 August 2022 12: 24
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          Very interesting! The message "DV tam 25" (DV tam 25), which was my answer, suddenly changed a lot in content!!! However... winked