In exchange for the launch of both Nord Streams, Russia should demand the neutral status of Germany


The main newsmaker of recent days can rightfully be considered the German ex-chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. The former head of Germany made a number of very resonant statements regarding the prospects for the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines, as well as the possible outcome of the armed conflict in Ukraine. These questions are very serious and interrelated, but to simplify understanding, we will divide the overview of the topic into two parts.


It became known that at the end of July 2022, the former German chancellor paid a private visit to Moscow. However, Schroeder's wife "surrendered" him, saying that he flew in to negotiate on energy issues. Then Herr Schroeder himself, in an interview with Stern, said that he personally spoke with President Putin. At first, the Kremlin denied the very fact of the meeting between the ex-chancellor and the president of the Russian Federation, but then the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov nevertheless confirmed that they communicated, including on energy cooperation between the Russian Federation and Germany:

The former chancellor asked whether it is possible, hypothetically speaking, to use Nord Stream 2 in a completely crisis situation. That is, Putin was not the initiator. And Putin said that it is technologically possible. A lot of work has been done, and this project - a very complex mechanism - is ready for instant use.

Recall that "Gazprom" sinfully built a main pipeline bypassing Ukraine, through which it was supposed to pump up to 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. However, due to the opposition of the United States and its allies in Europe, this project was constantly stalled, and after the start of a special military operation, it lay dead weight on the bottom of the Baltic Sea with extremely vague prospects.

For purely political reasons, Berlin has taken a course towards abandoning Russian gas and switching to alternative sources of energy supply, including LNG. Poland also imposed sanctions on the use of the Yamal-Europe pipeline. Ukraine, under a far-fetched pretext, stopped the use of one of the branches of its GTS. Plus, a frank “circus” has begun around the repair of power turbines necessary for the operation of the first Nord Stream, the capacity of which is now significantly reduced. As a result, there was a radical decrease in the volume of blue fuel supplies. As Putin's "voice" Dmitry Peskov noted, instead of the recent 167 million cubic meters of gas per day, Gazprom currently supplies only about 30 million cubic meters. And this is on the eve of the beginning of the heating season, when it is necessary to intensively fill the tanks of underground gas storages!

Germany's problem lies in the fact that not everyone there is ready to go in line with the destructive American foreign policy. The rejection of relatively cheap Russian gas and the steady rise in energy prices are already a heavy burden on the shoulders of the burghers and German industry. Ex-Chancellor Schroeder spoke about this to everyone in his interview:

For many people who already have to count every cent, it will be even harder. And then in Germany they will ask: why do we do without gas from the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline? Why? The simplest solution would be to put the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline into operation. It's already finished. If things get really bad, there is this pipeline, and with both branches of the gas pipeline working, we will have no problems with supplies for German industry and German households.

Indeed, the full launch of the first Nord Stream and one of the two lines of Nord Stream 2 would be the solution to all of Germany's current energy supply problems. Recall that the second line of Nord Stream 2 is involved in gas supply to the Russian territory, and the Germans can no longer rely on it. The key question is, does Russia need this pipeline to start working at all?

Six months ago, the launch of Nord Stream 2 would have been a huge image victory for the Kremlin. Well, after all, they completed the construction on their own, despite all the obstacles, and achieved the launch! Victory, comrades! However, in these six months, too much has changed, and, alas, irreversibly.

Until recently, friendly Germany openly opposed Russia on the side of Ukraine as part of a Western coalition led by the United States and Great Britain. Berlin supplies Kyiv with heavy weapons, which are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers involved in the special operation. The freshly baked Chancellor Olaf Scholz himself declared with obvious relief that Russia, with its “aggression” against Ukraine, removed from the Germans the burden of historical responsibility for the countless war crimes of the Third Reich. And he immediately announced that the German army would be increased and become "the largest traditional army in Europe" as part of the NATO bloc. I wonder who Herr Scholz was going to fight against?

So the question is whether it is necessary at all in the new geopolitical conditions to help Germany cope with its energy crisis and economic difficulties? Well, let's say that with the onset of frost, Berlin, as a giant exception, will quickly certify and give the go-ahead for the start of work on Nord Stream 2. The Germans will survive the winter, German industry will survive. The Russian media will blow a fanfare, praising the wisdom of President Putin, who once again outmaneuvered everyone. But what will happen next?

And then Berlin will calmly and without nerves carry out the import substitution of Russian gas, prepare its renewed army for war and supply weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What will change something? Never mind. As Germany was a member of NATO, so it will remain so. The current energy crisis and the armed conflict in Ukraine certainly will not bring Germany closer to Russia and will not make them friends. The Rubicon has already been crossed, which, unfortunately, not everyone has understood yet.

We will certainly talk in more detail about what can, in principle, be considered a victory for Russia in its war with the collective West. However, one can already say that one of the goals should be to destroy the NATO bloc from within and push its borders as far as possible to the west. Resuming gas supplies to Germany now means strengthening the economy of a direct military adversary, which it objectively is as a member of the North Atlantic Alliance. However ambitious it may sound, the only acceptable condition for the normalization of relations and the restoration of effective energy cooperation between Moscow and Berlin should be the withdrawal of the FRG from NATO and the establishment of a neutral status by it.

Otherwise, launching both "streams" at full capacity is tantamount to feeding meat with the blood of a wolf, which will then bully you in a pack of its own kind.
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 August 2022 12: 45
    -2
    Schroeder called a simple way to avoid the gas crisis in Europe
    Another marasmus.
    I understand that he needs to provide Germany with gas. But what can Germany offer in return? Do not offer dollars and euros.
  2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 4 August 2022 12: 46
    +3
    Quote: Sergey Marzhetsky
    the only acceptable condition for the normalization of relations and the restoration of effective energy cooperation between Moscow and Berlin should be the withdrawal of Germany from NATO and the establishment of a neutral status by it

    Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?
    Dreams are gone, disgust remains (C)
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 10: 48
      0
      It simply cannot be otherwise. These are not dreams, this is a goal! And it will be achieved in any case! Leave the nasty things for a snack.
  3. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A (Yuri) 4 August 2022 12: 56
    +4
    The author, it seems, is right, why feed a clear enemy, but on the other hand, Russia can only offer resources that Arabs, Africans and the same Americans will gladly provide at a higher price, so why waste much-needed funds if Russia has seen the light and wants revive on its own? And the neutral status had to be demanded by the hunchback for the unification of Germany
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 August 2022 13: 04
      -1
      We live in a world with a branched and developed economy, where supplies from all kinds of manufacturers are indispensable. Russia needs to return these supplies without prejudice to itself. One of the ways is not to lose relations with Germany as the main producers in the EU. So Gazprom is working along this path. Everything else is dusted tinsel.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 10: 52
      +2
      Russia cannot be in the status of a neutral state! Under any ruler.
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 11: 20
      0
      Russia is not you and not me, it is 140 million - we are in the image of our president! And this means that each of us would do the same as the president!
      1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
        sat2004 6 August 2022 08: 02
        +1
        You are wrong. Personally, I do not agree with the president in matters of education and medicine. Listen to the reports to the president, "as you asked", "as you said".
  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 4 August 2022 13: 08
    +2
    Nord Stream - 2 - will NOT be launched. Germany will NOT leave NATO.
    And don't call me Captain Obvious.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 August 2022 13: 14
      -2
      (Expert) The lack of logic in some sentences is a clear sign of a bot.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 4 August 2022 13: 36
        0
        Good. I confess I am a bot. You exposed me. My salary was reduced by 23,5%.
        What to live on? Borrow 50 euros before payday.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 10: 58
      -1
      And in this regard, no one is going to call you anyone other than an alarmist! They didn’t break the back of such monsters and got nothing but experience. Any monster is doomed!
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 11: 23
      0
      Neither an expert, nor a predictor, nor an analyst - nonsense!
  5. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 4 August 2022 13: 47
    0
    For purely political reasons, Berlin has taken a course towards the rejection of Russian gas and the transition to the closure of factories and unemployment.
    It's time to offer adequate Germans to move to Russia, away from LGBT people and closer to warm apartments.
    1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 4 August 2022 14: 04
      -8
      Ha ha ha
      That's a scream :) in the great krasnozadovka?))) well, well. In fact, people are leaving Russia, not coming to us.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 10: 13
        +3
        Ha ha ha Adler, it is not people who leave Russia, but non-humans. That's where they go. They know, after all, they feel that if a nix starts, they will either die defending their homeland, or saving their lives ..... betray her. So they tear their claws while there is an opportunity. Where are you sick? With whom are you wise are you ours?
        1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
          Sidor Bodrov 5 August 2022 11: 25
          +3
          It is interesting that these non-humans, having dipped themselves in a "democratic" bucket, immediately ask to return.
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 12: 40
            0
            Interest is one people and non-humans are incompatible, according to the kind of tribe. No matter how smart a dog is, it is more stupid than any stupid person. And no matter how stupid a person is, in any case, he is smarter than a dog. A smart person has the right to make a mistake in one single case when he makes it and understands that it can be corrected. Otherwise, he is not a person, but a creature from the word no one
    2. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 4 August 2022 16: 05
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      I foresee the same. WHERE IS OUR MFA? where is the Ministry of Internal Affairs with its passport and visa service? where is Mishustin?
      they are preparing specialists for industry on a silver platter, but where is the government looking?
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 12: 49
        -1
        If the government were in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Internal Affairs would not ask stupid questions here where.
    3. Marciz Online Marciz
      Marciz (Stas) 5 August 2022 05: 11
      -1
      In Vidnoye, a kopeck piece in a new building by today's standards is 170.000 bucks, provide your citizens with normal housing in all respects, again invite someone with bonuses for them and a fig for your own! logics!! Yesterday's communists who killed the Russian Empire and now again living under its banner are talking about geopolitics!!!
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 5 August 2022 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: marciz
        Yesterday's communists who killed the Russian Empire

        Actually, the Russian Empire was not killed by the communists. In February 1917, they were completely out of business and to the so-called. democratic revolution and the creation of the Russian Republic had nothing to do. Their merit lies in the fact that it was they who gathered Russia, which had been torn apart after democratic reforms, into a single state and practically within the borders of the Russian Empire. And moreover, they did it quite quickly, unlike the current collectors of the "Russian world".
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 11: 28
          -2
          Why are you all this?
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 5 August 2022 13: 32
            +2
            Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
            Why are you all this?

            Do you have problems with associative thinking? This is a reply to a post marciz (Stas), in which he slanders the communists of 1917.
        2. Marciz Online Marciz
          Marciz (Stas) 6 August 2022 04: 00
          0
          And then who was dissatisfied with the autocracy, who incited the people, shook the situation in the state, perhaps Pushkin (according to your version) !!!???
          1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
            Sidor Bodrov 8 August 2022 11: 12
            0
            And those who are dissatisfied and incited are those who shake the "civilized" West even today. Russia is always like a bone in his throat. And on whom to bet he was in a drum - just to spoil.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 12: 52
        -2
        And who were you during the days of yesterday's communists, since now you remember them.
  6. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 August 2022 13: 52
    -1
    The author either does not understand, or misleads readers in strategic political games. Undercover movements, including Schroeder's trip to Moscow, are not in sight of all the agreements. Strategically keeping Germany in friendship with Russia is Russia's first interest. It is also not in the interests of Russia to multiply their enemies. According to this, experts on gas issues would have answered more qualitatively.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 4 August 2022 16: 17
      +1
      What friendship are you talking about? German weapons kill Russians, and you are talking about friendship.
      1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
        Sidor Bodrov 5 August 2022 11: 41
        0
        This is not a German weapon. This is the weapon of American lackeys led by Brussels. And in exchange for gas, it is necessary to demand the neutral status of the entire European Union and an exit from NATO.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 13: 33
        0
        guest, I envy your logic, you don't need to think. If it looks black, it means black. And, if the other means black anyway.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 4 August 2022 20: 50
      +2
      For purely political reasons, Berlin has taken a course towards abandoning Russian gas and switching to alternative sources of energy supply, including LNG. Also sanctions for the use of the Yamal pipeline - Europe introduced Poland. Ukraine under false pretenses stopped use of one of the branches of its GTS. Plus, a frank “circus” has begun around the repair of power turbines necessary for the operation of the first Nord Stream, the capacity of which is now significantly reduced.

      I, as the most important gas specialist here, will help Vladimir Tuzakov. In the above paragraph, Sergei made a mistake - it was not Poland that imposed sanctions on the pumping of our gas through the Yamal-EU gas pipeline, but we cut off gas to zero after it refused to pay for it in rubles! And Ukraine didn’t shut off its pipe (what a fool she is?! Yes, she doesn’t even have a valve, it’s in Russia), and we screwed the valve on her little boy for a far-fetched reason, which she herself came up with, but we’ll pay anyway as if we pumped 100% - that’s moronic contract, drawn up on the principle of "swing or pay".
      There is a game going on with the shredder, and it is not at all aimed at losing the FRG forever as its buyer (we are not idiots! There is no such place as an empty place!! Others will appear instead of us, and China is still the buyer who twists our hands are on our side, taking advantage of our hopeless situation, but India is the same, so we must definitely keep the western route!), we just bring down Scholz's "liver sausage", stupidly bring him down, we need another chancellor! I will write about this separately, right now I am writing a text about Comrade. Xi and his affairs, they are not at all as bad as some home-grown experts here seem to think.
      The idea of ​​forcing the FRG to withdraw from NATO is naive, rather NATO will fall apart than the FRG will leave it
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 August 2022 06: 38
        +1
        right now I am writing a text about Comrade. Xi and his affairs, they are not at all as bad as some home-grown experts here seem to think.

        It will be fun to read. At the moment, many are trying to return the face of Comrade Xi, but no one succeeds. I hope to read some arguments, and not just about the wisdom of the ancient Chinese people.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 5 August 2022 12: 09
        -1
        In the above paragraph, Sergei made a mistake - it was not Poland that imposed sanctions on the pumping of our gas through the Yamal-EU gas pipeline, but we cut off gas to zero after it refused to pay for it in rubles!

        Transit through the Yamal-EU began to block at the end of last year. In January 2022 completely covered. There was no mention of rubles yet. The reasons are completely different.

        And Ukraine did not shut off its pipe (what a fool she is?! Yes, she doesn’t even have a valve, it’s in Russia), and we screwed the valve on her little boy for a far-fetched reason, which she herself came up with, but we’ll pay anyway as if we pumped 100% - that’s moronic contract, drawn up on the principle of "swing or pay".

        What valve did we turn on? They themselves stopped receiving gas that passed through the Sokhranivka station. The rest of the lines remain.
        And you can ignore the fee for non-existent transit. Due to the reduction in volumes, the price has risen. They will more than cover all losses. But an important political task will be accomplished: Europe - by the horns and in a stall, will know its place under the sun.

        The idea of ​​forcing the FRG to withdraw from NATO is naive, rather NATO will fall apart than the FRG will leave it

        The US will leave NATO. Or simply stop funding NATO. After that, no one will care about NATO. Moreover, Europe has not weakly disarmed itself by supplying weapons to Ukraine.
        Now they will need money and energy to restore their military potential. But there will be neither money, nor energy resources, nor (even) just time.
        "...comrade Xi and his affairs, they are not so bad at all, ..."
        How good will Comrade's affairs be? Xi depends on the outcome of the Taiwan crisis, which is far from over. Things will either simply not be very good (due to a drop in exports), or they will be completely sad.

        There is a game going on with the shredder, and it is not at all aimed at losing the FRG forever as its buyer (we are not idiots! A holy place is never empty!

        What can be a game with Shredder? This is our man on the payroll. More precisely, on many salaries, and all are very good. And he, with the beginning of the SVO (unlike the idiots, such as Urgant, Galkin, etc.), did not refuse relations with the Russian Federation, he receives salaries regularly.
        The economic zone of Russia has already been more or less defined. It is enough for self-sufficiency. That is why Russia is primarily interested in Germany as a source of technology. Her value as a buyer will decrease. China has already understood this. One Belt, One Road projects have been put on hold.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 13: 05
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          Damn, and why does everyone know what sickly salaries the shredder sits on and I don’t sleep or breathe. Putin's sidekick. Well, all the wise people are our president's sidekick, the rest of America and Europe are in line for a medical examination. I'm sure this mess will end soon.
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 5 August 2022 18: 58
            0
            Damn, and why does everyone know what sickly salaries the shredder sits on and I don’t sleep or breathe. Putin's sidekick.

            So you're probably not interested. Inet to help.
            SP1 - 270 bucks per year,
            Rosneft - 600 euros per year.
            This, I understand, without additional benefits, such as bonuses and dividends. You can also look for SP2.
            But he's worth it. So, he is not alone.
            Here, I recommend https://www.liga.net/world/articles/shreder-fiyon-knaysl-kak-putin-pokupaet-sebe-druzey-devyat-primerov
            True, the content is Ukrainian, so a VPN will help. But it is often useful to know what our enemies write about us. I'm just proud of Putin here. Well done, knows how to work with staff.
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 11: 32
      0
      The author, not understanding (this is incomprehensible to him in principle), is deluding those who are glad to be mistaken! But not everyone is like that, right?
    4. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 12: 54
      -1
      Such as

      Quote: guest
      What friendship are you talking about? German weapons kill Russians, and you are talking about friendship.
    5. sat2004 Offline sat2004
      sat2004 6 August 2022 10: 31
      0
      Germany does not consider Russia an enemy, Russia is a raw material appendage for them. A simple example, Russian Crimea, and where are the branches of the Savings Bank in Crimea. Erdogan does not recognize Crimea as Russian, he is fighting against us in Syria, he supplies Ukraine with weapons to fight Russia. Japan shakes the law. With such countries, as well as with unfriendly ones, only private enterprises and individuals should cooperate. persons under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. The state is waving their hand, the train has left.
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 4 August 2022 14: 06
    0
    Tales for adults.
    It is worth "DEMAND", so Russia will simply be sent even further in relations. Because face loss.

    Russia is already hinting as best it can, but .... in Europe, 2/3 of the gas from the outside, and they take Russian, so for now it’s a joy for speculators for a year. According to the news, all manufacturers began to arrange "repair stops" and raise prices even more.
    It is characteristic that a year and a half ago they endlessly wrote about the fullness of storage facilities, they say they will freeze from 70-75%, and .... zilch, and now they don’t write anymore.

    It is important that with such blunders - to deny everything and be pinned to the wall - "The Kremlin at first denied the very fact of the meeting of the ex-chancellor and the president of the Russian Federation, but then the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov nevertheless confirmed that they communicated" - The government often told itself ruins the image.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 11: 45
      -1
      Denied and so what? You yourself then confirm everything when they ask - So what happened to Masha? Of course not! Well... We met... That's it. But she is not my wife, what is not clear?
  8. Obama Barack Offline Obama Barack
    Obama Barack (Obama Barack) 4 August 2022 14: 50
    0
    Yeah. Everything will be delivered through third countries.
  9. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 4 August 2022 14: 59
    +3
    an unexpected proposal, but the main idea, in my opinion, in the article is different, to demand strategic decisions for us from the Hans, it may not be one, not even from the Hans, but from the EU, if you don’t want to live in contentment, then there is no gas and oil, at negotiated prices and volume
    Europe and its main main countries are used to living richly, they will live in the cold and the industry will stop singing in a new way, without industry and the availability of basic needs, it will be like surrendering to fascism without a fight, how many days did Europe last?
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 13: 10
      0
      No, dear Edward, nothing but. The collapse of NATO can only be provoked by Germany
      1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
        Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 5 August 2022 15: 16
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        dear Oleg, it is not clear what "except"
        there are some claims to the Fritz, to Italy others to the paddling pools, respectively ..
        and not cut off supplies, but minimize them under the contract, the rest is on the exchange
        while Gazprom is trying and experimenting, which is already pleasing
        well, with China, India, do not bend low
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 5 August 2022 20: 01
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          Edward, I built the sentence slightly incorrectly. It was understood that no one would contribute to the collapse of NATO as much as Germany. Well, something like that. France once left NATO. Yes, and there have been rumors for a long time that Europe can create its own military bloc without America's manager. It is clear that for us this is no sweeter horseradish, but there must be sensible politicians in Europe who perfectly see where Washington is pushing Europe.
  10. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 4 August 2022 16: 28
    -1
    The launch of SP2 is a matter of the physical life of Scholz and his family. SP2 will not be launched - the amers need to prepare Europe for war with the Russian Federation.
  11. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 4 August 2022 18: 45
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    The Russian Federation must clearly indicate what kind of gas, oil, etc. are supplied. in the FRG, they are obliged to build full-cycle plants in the Russian Federation, for example, bearings, or motors, etc., if the FRG does not want to, then let them pay in gold. Refusing to sell gas is a flawed policy, let the buyer and seller agree, if the FRG needs gas badly, then he will make a deal. Russia needs factories, factories for the production of goods. The buyer can always refuse the purchase if something does not suit him. Unfortunately, the Grabbers sitting in power are categorically against the development of an independent industry in the Russian Federation.
  12. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 4 August 2022 20: 10
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    Well, let's say that with the onset of frost, Berlin, as a giant exception, will quickly certify and give the go-ahead for the start of work on Nord Stream 2.

    That's exactly what "let's do". Stolz with his "green ministers" will not agree to this for anything. This government should fly off and a new one come, with a chancellor from the eastern lands. Only with him it makes sense to negotiate
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 5 August 2022 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      with the chancellor from the eastern lands

      Merkel was from the eastern lands. How much did it help Moscow?
  13. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 4 August 2022 22: 51
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    In exchange for the launch of both Nord Streams, Russia should demand the neutral status of Germany - this is the same nonsense as the demand for NATO to return to the 1979 borders
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 August 2022 06: 33
      -1
      Imagine a situation if Russia demanded that Germany withdraw from NATO by promising gas. We would have been sent, and we would have been disgraced almost as much as China recently. Who needs it?
  14. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 5 August 2022 09: 05
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    Completely stop the supply of gas and oil to the European Union and all unfriendly countries. Turkey recognizes Crimea as part of Russia. Japan signs a peace treaty within present borders. The lifting of sanctions, the restoration of destroyed cities, compensation to the victims are a necessary condition, and then we'll see. It is necessary to improve Russian villages and villages. Sell ​​the rest of the gas.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 5 August 2022 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: sat2004
      Sell ​​the rest of the gas

      I wonder how much you will do everything you proposed if you sell only the rest of the gas (as well as oil)
      1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
        sat2004 5 August 2022 16: 33
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        And how many "shisha" does the budget receive from the sale of gas and oil?
  15. Zenn Offline Zenn
    Zenn (Andrei) 5 August 2022 09: 09
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    Push back NATO infrastructures to the 1997 date. It would be interesting to know the name of that politician in Russia who, since 2000, has not actually taken any action to impede the promotion of this infrastructure, let's not count the manifestation of concern and speeches in Munich in 2007, these are not actions, these were just empty words. But in fact, these words covered up the lack of decisiveness, the policy of concessions and the surrender of Russia's geopolitical interests, year after year, that is, consciously.
  16. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 5 August 2022 09: 24
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    And then Berlin will calmly and without nerves carry out the import substitution of Russian gas, prepare its renewed army for war and supply weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    It won't work without nerves.
    Soon the last turbine at SP1 will fail.
    When the Germans request the launch of SP2, they will be reminded that Russia has already redirected half of the resource capacities and infrastructure of this gas pipeline to the gasification of the North-West part of the Russian Federation. Russia has no time to wait until they turn on their brains there.
    Not to mention that the difference in price between Russian gas and "alternative" gas is not going anywhere. The industry will not be able to work on "alternative" gas. It is unprofitable.
    In addition, there are not enough gas carriers in the world to transport gas volumes that can replace the Russian one.
    These quite obvious things the author has stubbornly ignored for many years. Apparently, Gazprom causes him cognitive dissonance.
    Also, the composition of LNG will not allow some industries to operate normally. LNG is pure methane, while Russian pipeline gas contains high-molecular components, for which chemical production in Europe has been sharpened many years ago.
    In general, the sanctions will be lifted in the near future. For gas supplies, Russia will demand from Europe not a neutral status, but technologies.
    Those European companies that are more far-sighted will transfer their production to Russia themselves. To cheap resources, "fat" gas. To long lured places, such as Kaluga.
    And Europe will gradually become a world backwater, living in which will become (and is already becoming) uncomfortable and simply dangerous.
    It is quite possible that Schroeder discussed such transfers.

    The former chancellor asked whether it is possible, hypothetically speaking, to use Nord Stream 2 in a completely crisis situation. That is, Putin was not the initiator. And Putin said that it is technologically possible. A lot of work has been done, and this project - a very complex mechanism - is ready for instant use.

    Now this is complete nonsense. Schroeder would not have distracted Putin (and Putin wasted his precious time) in order to find out things that have long been obvious to everyone. It was possible to call an ordinary Gazprom clerk by phone. He would explain everything. But Schroeder himself knows quite enough. He also knows what we do not know. And Putin does not know (he has enough other worries).
    If the author is not in the know, then Schroeder has been working since 2005. chairs the shareholders' committee of SP1 and then SP2. Not to mention the fact that he was elected chairman of the board of directors of NK Rosneft.
    Does the author definitely think that Schroeder needs some explanation on the activities of these gas pipelines? And precisely from Putin?
    This stupid cartoon is launched for suckers, so that they have something to talk about. Schroeder doesn't need any explanation.
    They could discuss only such things that cannot be discussed on the phone (to anyone). It could be the topic of replacing the chancellor (for example, the return of Merkel), the transfer of production to Russia and the transfer of technology. Something similar.
    So, the author does not need to write on gas topics. It has been clear for many years that this is "not his".
  17. Sergey Kuzmin Offline Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin (Sergei) 5 August 2022 14: 44
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    to speed up the process of launching "NORTH STREAM-2" it is necessary to completely STOP PUMPING GAS THROUGH UKRAINE. This will also solve the problem with the demilitarization of Ukraine.
    1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
      Sidor Bodrov 5 August 2022 16: 27
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      Duc, it seems, on Ukrainian gas, one of our "efficient" owners is eating up
  18. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 5 August 2022 15: 16
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    Well, let's say that with the onset of frost, Berlin, as a giant exception, will quickly certify and give the go-ahead for the start of work on Nord Stream 2. The Germans will survive the winter, German industry will survive. The Russian media will blow a fanfare, praising the wisdom of President Putin, who once again outmaneuvered everyone. But what will happen next?
    And then Berlin will calmly and without nerves carry out the import substitution of Russian gas, prepare its renewed army for war and supply weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What will change something? Never mind. As Germany was a member of NATO, so it will remain so. The current energy crisis and the armed conflict in Ukraine certainly will not bring Germany closer to Russia and will not make them friends. The Rubicon has already been crossed, which, unfortunately, not everyone has understood yet.

    Quite right, however, dear comrades (and gentlemen): if the question is put in this way, then we ourselves should be completely principled, not wag cleverly with loin parts of the body and not trade with obvious opponents (unfriendly countries)! Otherwise (if money is more important), one should not troll, but continue the interaction of capitalist economic entities. Otherwise, why all this informational noise and din?

    However ambitious it may sound, the only acceptable condition for the normalization of relations and the restoration of effective energy cooperation between Moscow and Berlin should be the withdrawal of the FRG from NATO and the establishment of a neutral status by it.

    We have a lot of plans, but they are usually not implemented very well. While we are moving in the opposite direction: NATO has rallied and strengthened, and the threats at our borders are growing ...
  19. Sancym Offline Sancym
    Sancym (Alexander ) 5 August 2022 16: 25
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    In general, I liked the article! Although Sergey “smells” of freedom, he wrote well. Especially good is the conclusion he made in 2 lines. Yes, about the wolf!