Berlin “answered” Moscow to reduce gas volumes via Nord Stream


Nearly every German government has shown loyalty to Russia, primarily through economic ties and energy. Even the government of pro-Western Chancellor Olaf Scholz was relatively tolerant of cooperation with the Russian Federation. Oil and gas "friendship" did its job. Now, after Gazprom's dangerous experiments with turbines for Nord Stream, the constant reduction in pumping power and the refusal to accept the repaired unit with documents, Berlin seems to have run out of patience.


According to the German newspaper Der Spiegel, the German leadership agreed to sell 100 howitzers to Ukraine. A little earlier, the German government issued permission to Krauss-Maffei Wegmann to supply Kyiv with 100 Panzerhaubitze 2000 units in the amount of 1,7 billion euros.

Noteworthy is the permission received from the government of Germany. It is very likely that this is a very serious "answer" to the "whims" of the Russian "Gazprom" in the turbine case. The German government did everything in its power, even making direct contact with Canada and lifting some of the sanctions in order to get the unit for the Portovaya compressor station. But this, as you know, did not bring results: the repaired turbine hung in limbo, and Gazprom also further reduced the pumping to a meager 20%.

Obviously, in Germany they were offended by such steps of Moscow. Private arms companies and concerns have long been asking Berlin to allow mass commercial deliveries of all possible types of weapons to Ukraine. However, until now the federal government has refrained from such steps, the military-industrial complex did not approve the initiative and did not give the green light to supplies from outside. Defensive weapons and equipment were supplied in doses. Under the control of the state, several units of these howitzers were also transferred to Kyiv.

Now, the government completely outsources supplies to commercial producers. This is the first wake-up call, a signal for Russia. The point is not even the effectiveness of a particular type of weapon, but the fact that there was a certain change in views in Berlin and now only a miracle can save from the flow of weapons, since Western businessmen of the war have long intended to flood Ukraine with their products.
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  1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 28 July 2022 08: 10
    -3
    Guns instead of butter
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 28 July 2022 08: 12
    +25
    Again our fault! It turns out that the Germans used to supply weapons because of the good attitude towards Russia.
    The author of the article takes a pro-German and anti-Russian position.
    1. Patrick laforet Offline Patrick laforet
      Patrick laforet (Patrick Laforet) 29 July 2022 16: 04
      +1
      The author does not even have the courage to sign his own article. Why do so many authors on this side hide their name?
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    3. vik669 Offline vik669
      vik669 (vik669) 30 July 2022 18: 15
      0
      Yes, it seems that "your who are ours" since 1945 are to blame for leaving this viper on the globe!
  3. andrey ivanov_2 Offline andrey ivanov_2
    andrey ivanov_2 (Andrey Ivanov) 28 July 2022 08: 18
    +27
    I'm freaking out - "Berlin has run out of patience." I hesitate to ask - who imposed sanctions on whom? Moscow has run out of patience and it's a pity that it ended now, and not 8 years ago .......
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 29 July 2022 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Ivanov_2
      I'm freaking out - "Berlin has run out of patience."

      Apparently it's time to cover the remaining 20%. Commerce wants to fill up with weapons, let them try without gas, at the initial stage. Right now, before the cold weather, the industry of Germany should become.
  4. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 28 July 2022 08: 26
    +17
    Those. before that, they imposed sanctions on us, covered the bad stream 2, gave Ukrainians weapons to kill us, and we give them gas for this?
    If our rulers had eggs and if they were real patriots of the country, they would have long ago blocked everything that is possible and impossible for everyone who got into the conflict. It's like some uncle will beat your wife, and during the breaks you will bring him some water to relieve fatigue.
  5. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 28 July 2022 09: 16
    +17
    Well, yes, they used to supply weapons, money and other assistance because they pumped gas well to them, now because we don’t pump gas. But didn’t Scholz stop the sp2 project ?, something has already been forgotten. In response to their 100 howitzers, it would be time for us to take offense and completely stop gas supplies.
    1. Mikhail Krasyukov (Mikhail Krasyukov) 28 July 2022 18: 45
      +3
      our spirit is not enough to stop all deliveries.
  6. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 July 2022 09: 29
    +9
    German industry is dead. Schroeder's trip, as expected, ended in nothing. Europe needs to find 100-150 billion cubic meters of gas per year. I highly doubt there will be.
    Moscow's next step should be to limit supplies to Turkey to its own needs. Without the right to resell Russian gas.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 28 July 2022 21: 04
      -7
      Quote: Bakht
      German industry is dead

      You can answer your passage with an old Russian proverb "While the fat one dries, the thin one dies"
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 July 2022 00: 10
        +9
        In your passage, it would be necessary to decide who is thin and who is fat?
        Example. One of the indicators of the destruction of the Russian economy, the whole US president announced the depreciation of the ruble (200 rubles per dollar, everyone remembers?).
        At the moment, the ruble has strengthened against the dollar, while the euro has lost 20%. Who dries, and who dies?
        In general, it is ridiculous now to read "analysts". The so-called "financial gurus". The ruble is falling - "we are all going to die!" The ruble is strengthening - "we are all going to die!"
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 29 July 2022 11: 05
          -1
          Quote: Bakht
          At the moment, the ruble has strengthened against the dollar, while the euro has lost 20%. Who dries, and who dies?

          What's the point? Prices in stores do not show the same dynamics. As in that joke:

          The dollar rose - raised prices; the dollar fell - not a single fall_la lowers the price! So it's not about dollars, but about pad_lah!

          And do not tell me about macroeconomic processes and indicators. To the layman, which are you, and I, and the vast majority of the population, this is absolutely purple. As the Belarusians say, the main thing is to have a cup and crackling.

          Quote: Bakht
          In your passage, it would be necessary to decide who is thin and who is fat?

          Your question was answered back in the USSR:

          Capitalism stands on the edge of the abyss and looks at what we are doing there.

          Let me say that this is far from a perestroika anecdote - its appearance was recorded at least in the first half of the blessed 1970s.
          1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
            Vox Populi (vox populi) 29 July 2022 11: 45
            -2
            You are right, the EU economy will bear its serious costs more easily than ours. By the way, indeed the official dollar and euro exchange rates set by the Central Bank are very conditional (this also applies to the purchase of currency by citizens and prices for imported goods) ...
          2. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 July 2022 23: 21
            -3
            I'm not going to tell you anything. Prices don't go down? Where in the world are they falling? Maybe in Europe? I sometimes order something online. Prices in Europe hit my pocket personally. On aliexpress, the quality is not what you need. And in Europe the prices are not what you need.
            So I, a simple layman, can see who will lose weight and who will die.
            By the way, BMW and Mercedes seem to have decided to start the bankruptcy process. So far, this is inaccurate. Let's wait until September.
            Reference to jokes of the USSR in today's Russia is irrelevant. I love jokes and I know a lot of them. But, oddly enough, in the 80s, capitalism really stood on the brink of an abyss. Only the destruction of the socialist camp saved him. And this extended his life by another 30 years. But stock has run out. Now someone needs to be pissed off. Most likely Europe. Too fat goose. And helpless.
            1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
              k7k8 (vic) 30 July 2022 10: 25
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              Prices don't go down? Where in the world are they falling?

              Demagogy. Compare not absolute values, but growth rates. And there is no need to drag the whole world into this - the conversation was about Germany (the most powerful economy in Europe) and Russia.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 July 2022 13: 11
                -3
                Well, let's compare growth rates. Germany is still the most powerful economy in Russia.
                1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                  k7k8 (vic) 30 July 2022 15: 09
                  0
                  It would not hurt not to ignore punctuation marks. Otherwise, your post can be understood not even in two ways, but quite a multi-vector one.
                  And yes, why in a dispute do you use the most lethal argument of the jingoistic patriots "Dur_ak himself"?
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 July 2022 17: 20
                    -2
                    It seemed to you. I did not use the wording "fool himself".
                    I'm tired of writing a lot. Both absolute and relative comparisons don't make much sense.
                    Maybe I don’t understand something, but in my sentence with punctuation marks, everything seems to be correct.
                    In winter, it will be clear what and how. As the saying goes. "do not count your chickens before they are hatched".
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  7. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 28 July 2022 09: 39
    +6
    I wonder how the Reich was going to supply weapons if the entire heavy industry is completely dependent on this very gas, which is not enough
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 30 July 2022 01: 28
      +1
      And not only gas, without raw materials from Russia it will be difficult for them.
  8. GIS Offline GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 28 July 2022 10: 43
    +6
    and what, in Ukraine there is something to pay for weapons? they seemed to be given everything for free, but here "commercial firms" ... or is it a distraction, but will the United States deliver through its gaskets for freshly printed dollars?
  9. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 28 July 2022 11: 41
    -9
    I do not understand the storm of patriotic indignation regarding the article. It is enough to get acquainted with the European press, and with ours too, to see that the leadership of the FRG was very reluctant to deploy arms supplies to Ukraine, which is why they were accused of almost sabotage. The very peculiar position formally of Gazprom, which was actually expressed in trolling with deliveries / turbines, may not have played a major role in increasing the supply of weapons, but at least it contributed to this!
    If we look at the future, then we have great chances soon or in 4-5 years to lose the European gas market completely or in most of it (everything has already been decided with coal and oil). Turning east is very expensive (infrastructure costs and lower gas prices) and takes time...
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 July 2022 11: 58
      +6
      Wrong question. It is not Russia that will "lose the European gas market." Europe is refusing Russian gas. The directive decisions of the EU explicitly state that in a couple of years Europe will completely abandon Russian gas. Just like "everything has already been decided with coal and oil."
      In this regard, the "pivot to the East" seems to be the only reasonable alternative for Russia.
      1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 30 July 2022 04: 09
        -1
        TV victim?
    2. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 28 July 2022 19: 01
      +1
      If we look at the future, then we have great chances soon or in 4-5 years to lose the European gas market completely or in most of it

      At the beginning of May this year. The European Commission has decided to reduce the consumption of Russian gas by 2024% by 90...
      Gazprom simply guarantees the implementation of this plan ....
      hi
    3. guest Offline guest
      guest 30 July 2022 01: 32
      0
      Does Russia need such an unreliable market? Problems with SP2 started last year
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  11. Alexander V. Offline Alexander V.
    Alexander V. (Alexander VOZOVIK) 28 July 2022 12: 03
    +5
    The author is clearly lying. The turbine came from Canada to Germany, and Germany is delaying the return, and Nord Stream 2 does not want to certify
  12. ErixRU Offline ErixRU
    ErixRU (Dmitriy) 28 July 2022 16: 02
    +7
    this time the author of the article did not sign - was he afraid or what?
  13. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 28 July 2022 17: 42
    +6
    The impression that this is a pro-Ukrainian article (
  14. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 28 July 2022 18: 59
    +4
    This deal was concluded in April this year....
    What happened then with gas supplies and turbines, huh?
    According to the deal, something there will be delivered in 2023...
    But "not only everyone" will live to see him ....

    the repaired turbine hung in limbo,

    No "uncertainty", Author!
    The turbine "hung" somewhere in Germany without papers about repairs ...
    1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
      Vox Populi (vox populi) 29 July 2022 11: 52
      0
      And they write that it "hangs" not because of Siemens, RBC:

      They noted that there are not enough customs documents for the import of the turbine to Russia, which the customer, Gazprom, must provide. Siemens recalled that the German authorities provided the company with all the necessary documents for exporting the turbine to Russia at the beginning of last week.
      1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 29 July 2022 17: 29
        -1
        I understand that the narrative cannot be broken ....
        But the German government and Siemens have consistently argued that:
        - nothing needs to be repaired
        - you can pump without a turbine,
        - everything has been in Russia for a long time,
        - where the turbine is located - I won’t say (Herr Scholz personally),
        - no paperwork is needed to import a turbine into Russia,
        - Gazprom refuses to accept turbines without documents confirming the repair (you are here),
        - .....
        - .....
        hi
        1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
          Vox Populi (vox populi) 30 July 2022 17: 21
          0
          Are you also a participant in the sideshow about wheels and pumps?! lol
          Or are you working in the difficult field of propaganda? winked
          1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 1 August 2022 16: 12
            0
            Are you also a participant in the sideshow about wheels and pumps?!
            Or are you working in the difficult field of propaganda?

            What is so small?
            Or judge for yourself?
            hi
  15. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 28 July 2022 19: 34
    +8
    Russia will always be to blame. How many times has Europe and America repeated to Russia "you are outcasts", "the axis of evil", "this is not genocide". Erdogan shouts, one hundred Turkey is part of NATO, Crimea does not recognize Russian. They consider Us their raw material appendage. Even sports have been politicized. We got to the church. What else do they need to do to harm Russia. Let's hold a referendum on declaring rogue countries that provide military and financial assistance to the Nazis in Ukraine. Let us reduce political and economic communication with unfriendly countries to a minimum. They called, congratulated on the day of the country, wished prosperity. Explain to me why it is necessary to weigh yourself the way Russia behaves today with unfriendly countries?
  16. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 28 July 2022 20: 13
    +5
    The Germans are killing the Russians again! Even with the hands of the ukroponazis.
    No concessions on gas. This is a very valuable raw material! In order not to die from the cold - give 20%.
    In the Leningrad, Kaliningrad and other regions, plants will be set up to process gas into fertilizers and other things. And now this (+ added value) is already to be sold. They will take it at any price. own chem. the industry will "lie down". They only have enough money to buy gas from the United States for heating their homes and, perhaps, the production of e / energy.
    Something needs to be done about the weapons. Putin is thinking of riding on the heroism of Russian soldiers. The infrastructure of Ukraine is safe and sound (guarded by Putin). Only people in Russia see and understand everything. In 2024, they will vote "against Putin" unambiguously.
  17. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 28 July 2022 20: 35
    +4
    Berlin seems to have run out of patience.

    Russia has run out of patience.
    The endless acts of the Marleson ballet led to a logical conclusion.
    You need gas, crawl to Moscow on your back, maybe we will consider your proposals ..... after the removal of all packages of sanctions.
  18. ksa Offline ksa
    ksa 28 July 2022 21: 09
    +2
    Intend to overwhelm Ukraine with weapons for free?
  19. Degrin Offline Degrin
    Degrin (Alexander) 28 July 2022 21: 42
    -2
    Wrote an article Strelkov / GirkinD?
  20. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 28 July 2022 21: 49
    +2
    Need gas, crawl to Moscow on your back
    They crawl, only with caterpillars of tanks and self-propelled guns. This is because everyone in the world (in every corner) knows Russians. Softness + indecision (such as peacefulness), in fact, fear for money and families in the West. Is it a joke that the President of the Russian Federation has children living in the West! They are chasing M. Sandu (they say the citizen of Romania is in charge of Moldova), but themselves?! Everyone has two passports in their pocket, or even three. Children abroad. And what connects them with Russia? A place to make money? From this all the troubles of Russia!
    And after all, they have already tried not to let people with dual citizenship into power. All ruined, hushed up quietly.
    1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 29 July 2022 17: 30
      -1
      What kind of children live in the West?)))
      1. Teacher Offline Teacher
        Teacher (Wise) 29 July 2022 21: 29
        +1
        Was he born yesterday?
        1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 30 July 2022 16: 04
          -1
          No...
          Cut the truth...
          hi
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  22. Besarab Offline Besarab
    Besarab (Sergei ) 29 July 2022 07: 49
    0
    With one ass to rub two chairs (antiros, sprouted) like Merkel, hardly anyone can in Berlin ....
  23. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 29 July 2022 11: 39
    -3
    Quote: Bakht
    Wrong question. It is not Russia that will "lose the European gas market." Europe is refusing Russian gas. The directive decisions of the EU explicitly state that in a couple of years Europe will completely abandon Russian gas. Just like "everything has already been decided with coal and oil."
    In this regard, the "pivot to the East" seems to be the only reasonable alternative for Russia.

    Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
    If we look at the future, then we have great chances soon or in 4-5 years to lose the European gas market completely or in most of it

    At the beginning of May this year. The European Commission has decided to reduce the consumption of Russian gas by 2024% by 90...
    Gazprom simply guarantees the implementation of this plan ....
    hi

    I am well aware of the EU's statement about the rejection of our energy carriers. And why did such a desire arise, probably not only from the notorious Russophobia ?!
    And yes, the question remains: why add fuel to the fire and hasten this failure, instead of trying to reduce the costs of the crisis?
    1. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 29 July 2022 17: 40
      0
      I am well aware of the EU's statement about the rejection of our energy carriers. And why did such a desire arise, probably not only from the notorious Russophobia ?!

      This desire arose because it was very much desired ....
      Europeans have long been at war with Russian gas under various sauces: directives, gas reverse, fines, a ban on the construction of new Russian gas pipelines, the rejection of long-term contracts, spot, "carbon tax", energy transition, "green energy", etc...
      Europeans and Germans can be calm: they have finally won!
      Kudos to them... and bye!

      And to tell us, like, it's because we are hardened - it's not necessary ...
      hi
  24. Horon Offline Horon
    Horon (Kharon Erebovich) 29 July 2022 13: 28
    +1
    The fact that for the West we will always be to blame as long as we exist and as long as our interests intersect with them is a well-known axiom for a long time.
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  25. Aleks01 Offline Aleks01
    Aleks01 29 July 2022 16: 49
    0
    The Germans supplied weapons much earlier than the turbine story. And nothing will change from this. But due to Gazprom's "dangerous experiments" with turbines for Nord Stream, Russia will hold Europe by the balls in winter. And it's not a fact that they will want to supply weapons to Kyiv when their own ass is freezing.
  26. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 29 July 2022 17: 05
    0
    The author is talking nonsense. What Germany promises to the Ukronazis has not even been created and it will take up to six months, plus it will again be brought up for discussion to hand over the ukram or keep it to ourselves. And do we really care if the Germans are offended or not?
  27. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 29 July 2022 17: 22
    -1
    100 howitzers is an order for the Bundeswehr, which was issued as a "sale" to Kyiv. Yes, the loan was issued, but it is clear to everyone, including Ukraine, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will never see howitzers. Germany in this way knocks down accusations of insufficient assistance to Ukraine. The Bundeswehr is rearming and will wait a year or two for howitzers for Ukraine to be produced before production for Germany starts?

    Regarding SP1, there may be a secret agreement (through Schroeder), Russia slows down SP1, Germany is indignant, breaks down and then "forced" to launch SP2
  28. Sergey Nikolaevich_2 (Sergey Nikolaevich) 29 July 2022 18: 16
    +1
    Well, who is the author? Why is the article without authorship?
    1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 30 July 2022 04: 12
      -1
      The article is not an order. Just stupidity. It is worth paying attention to some commentators on this nonsense, especially zealously commenting on it and putting forward approximately the same level of assumption. article for them.
  29. Moskal 55 Offline Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 30 July 2022 19: 11
    0
    The entire perestroika + 90s and early 2000s is an attempt to enter the Western world by uniting with Europe. When it became clear that this could be only partially and not very likely, and only if Russia breaks up into several states, the elites who carried out perestroika meaningfully split up. Now those in power are those who do not accept the division of Russia under any circumstances. But there are others ... But, it seems, the first ones also do not want a break with Europe. That's where articles like this come from. Grit your teeth and be patient. The USSR themselves did not hold their own.
  30. Ivanovich 1960 Offline Ivanovich 1960
    Ivanovich 1960 2 August 2022 03: 24
    0
    Did the thought accidentally enter the author’s brain that it was the decision to supply howitzers that was the reason for limiting gas supplies?
    What is that! The country needs heroes