What European fighters can Kyiv get instead of the promised F-15 and F-16

What European fighters can Kyiv get instead of the promised F-15 and F-16

News days - an agreement on the opening of the so-called "grain corridor" from Odessa, and at the same time from two other Ukrainian ports - Chernomorsk and Yuzhny. As we already celebrated Earlier, the signature put under this document by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, in fact, means the Kremlin's refusal from any offensive actions in the Black Sea region, which remains with Kyiv. What did Russia get in return, besides the opportunity to supply foreign markets with its own grains and fertilizers without hindrance?


Now in the comments under analytical articles on this painful topic, serious passions are boiling. Admirers of President Putin, devoutly believing in his infallibility, believe that we are now simply taking a break and “focusing” before a decisive attack on Nikolaev and Odessa in order to free them. Let’s just allow feed grain to be taken out of three Ukrainian ports to feed European cattle, and President Zelensky to receive foreign exchange earnings for it, which will go to war with Russia, and we will immediately take on the Black Sea region. In 119 days, to be exact.

Also in the "plus" to the new "cunning plan" they write that the United States, they say, refused to supply Kyiv with ATACMS missiles with a range of up to 300 km, as well as fourth-generation fighters F-15 and F-16. John Kirby, strategic communications coordinator at the White House National Security Council, said the following verbatim the day before:

I would say that the US Department of Defense is looking into the feasibility of a potential transfer of fighter jets to the Ukrainians on a preliminary basis. But they will not be able to implement it immediately or even in the short term.

Say, again we all outplayed, as always. True, the very next day after the signing of Istanbul-1, excesses began. Russian "Caliber" again arrived in the port of Odessa. It is reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to use the 120-day pause for the redeployment of manpower and armored vehicles. Probably, this happened in preparation for the announced large-scale offensive on the Southern Front in order to recapture the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov from the "Russian orcs". And who would have thought that our Ukrainian and Western partners are capable of such a thing, really?

Former candidate for mayor of Odessa Vyacheslav Azarov asked the same question in his blog:

How to explain such a paradox? After all, the failure of the agreements will also cancel the export of grain and fertilizers from the Russian Federation, in which the Kremlin is very interested, both in terms of trade opportunities and the precedent for lifting sanctions. The answer is the problem of Western weapons. I already wrote recently that for the smooth operation of the “grain corridor”, the Odessa region must be withdrawn from the logistics of military aid supplies, otherwise it will continue to be attacked, and the export of food will become impossible. Apparently, this problem has not been resolved, but, perhaps, on the contrary, under the guise of a treaty on grain, arms supplies have increased.

It happens like this ... I wonder if the Anglo-Saxons will “throw” the Kremlin with the supply of modern military aviation?

Let's remember exactly how the Chief of Staff of the US Air Force, Charles Brown, spoke about this:

There are American, there are Gripen from Sweden, there is Eurofighter or Rafale. So there are a number of different platforms that could go to Ukraine… What I can't do is tell you exactly what it will be.


Indeed, the American F-15s and F-16s are good fighters, but the light has not converged on them like a wedge, right? What's next on the list?

Saab JAS 39 Gripen - This is a Swedish-made fourth-generation light fighter, as if specially created for the conditions of Ukraine. The aircraft is able to take off from poorly equipped airfields, has a short takeoff, is adapted to operate in the harsh climatic conditions of Sweden, is convenient and easy to maintain. The fighter can be used as an interceptor, reconnaissance and attack aircraft. In addition to the Swedish Air Force, Gripen serves in the air forces of Hungary and the Czech Republic, as well as South Africa and Thailand.

It is curious that Prague received all of its Swedish-made fighters under a lease agreement with the right to purchase them later. Is it possible that Kyiv will receive Saab JAS 39 Gripen from Stockholm on similar terms?

Eurofighter Typhoon is a fourth-generation multirole fighter designed and manufactured by a consortium of European companies. This aircraft is in service with the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria and Saudi Arabia. In 2004, a mock battle took place in the sky over the United Kingdom, in which two American F-15E fighters and one Eurofighter collided. The latter managed to single-handedly outplay opponents and conditionally "hit" both.

A few years ago, the Austrian Ministry of Defense said that European fighters were too expensive for them to maintain, and it was ready to get rid of all 15 pieces between 2020 and 2023, decommissioning them. Will the "Austrian" Eurofighter Typhoon end up in the sky over Ukraine?

Dassault Rafale - This is a fourth-generation French-made multi-role fighter. Developed by Dassault Aviation, this aircraft is in service only with the French Air Force and Navy. It is somehow difficult to imagine that Paris will provide Rafale to Kyiv.

Thus, if we take the American F-15s and F-16s out of the picture, it is likely that in Ukraine our fighters will face the Swedish Saab JAS 39 Gripen and the European Eurofighter Typhoon in the future. And no deception from Washington.
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  1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 23 July 2022 16: 24
    +2
    instead of the promised F-15 and F-16

    Was Ukraine promised other fighters?
    Or maybe instead of the F-15 and F-16, the United States will provide Ukraine with ... B-52 bombers?
    Inopportunely, the unforgettable V. Vysotsky remembered:

    I hate version gossip!
  2. Andreysradinsky Offline Andreysradinsky
    Andreysradinsky (Andrew) 23 July 2022 16: 34
    +2
    Rumors, rumors, rumors .... go here and there.
    And toothless old women, they are carried to the corners
  3. Vova Zhelyabov Offline Vova Zhelyabov
    Vova Zhelyabov (Vova Zhelyabov) 23 July 2022 18: 05
    +4
    Without developed and extensive ground services, operational facilities, repair facilities and weapons stations, foreign aviation will not make a serious contribution. After each flight, the interceptor needs to replenish several types of working fluids, gases, oils, dozens of spare parts, assemblies and assemblies are subject to replacement.
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 24 July 2022 08: 04
      -1
      Quote: Vova Zhelyabov
      Without developed and extensive ground services, operational facilities, repair facilities and weapons stations, foreign aviation will not make a serious contribution.

      This fact is known to anyone who understands at least something in technology, but it is useless to explain this to all-weavers.
  4. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 23 July 2022 18: 43
    +1
    What European fighters can Kyiv get instead of the promised F-15 and F-16

    NO.
    Like the Americans mentioned in the title. A modern aircraft (and not only a combat one) is not a bicycle (although not every modern bicycle will be ridden by a person who is used to his grandfather's "Minsk" or KhVZ). A well-trained pilot may be able to take off on it, but a battle is far from a take-off and landing. There is practically no sense in such deliveries without the corresponding months-long training of experienced pilots and maintenance personnel, and with a margin of time in Ukraine, things are rather sad. And you can't buy spare time for any amount of money. The necessary months of preparation can be obtained in only one way - by obtaining a long operational respite or by transferring the war into a protracted positional phase (sorry, two ways, but not the point). I don't think Moscow intends to provide either one or the other. That is why the idea of ​​supplying Western aviation military equipment is a failure in advance. Well, or it should be accompanied by the import of combat pilots and aircraft technicians, as mandatory components for aircraft. Who will sign up for this? Of course, you can put cars, but only of pre-retirement age and only for free (or rather, paid for by the importing country) disposal.
  5. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 24 July 2022 07: 47
    +1
    It's all nonsense. The most that they can hope for the Romanian MiG21. Three dozen Migs of forelocks will not be saved, but the nerves of our air defense will be frayed. laughing
    1. Orange bigg Offline Orange bigg
      Orange bigg (Alexander ) 24 July 2022 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
      It's all nonsense. The most that they can hope for the Romanian MiG21. Three dozen Migs of forelocks will not be saved, but the nerves of our air defense will be frayed. laughing

      Aren't you ashamed to write this. Ukraine is the Great Aircraft Building Power. Antonov is about to begin to rivet like hot cakes some kind of An 5th generation fighter to your envy. laughing
  6. Degrin Offline Degrin
    Degrin (Alexander) 24 July 2022 09: 05
    -1
    It is worth reading a couple of lines about the fact that everything is gone, and you understand that the author is Marzhetsky / Strelkov
  7. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 24 July 2022 10: 08
    0
    What agreements and with whom? With inadequate ones, in which the assessment of events differs from the reasonable one? No one needs the grain that the APU burns in the fields.
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 11: 00
    0
    in fact, it means the Kremlin's refusal of any offensive actions in the Black Sea region, which remains with Kyiv.

    I would like to read the logical chain that led to the alleged "refusal".
    But she won't. Because the author's logic is very difficult.

    About planes. It has already been written that our pilots will have to face the F-15 and F-16. It was written confidently and categorically, as it is now written about the rejection of offensive operations and about new types of NATO aircraft.
    Propaganda of the former Ukraine is in full swing. She supports the poor inhabitants of the former Ukraine with her inventions.
  9. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 24 July 2022 15: 41
    -2
    In terms of aircraft, Russia has a big advantage. Everyone knows perfectly well that there are such aircraft that have no analogues anywhere else. What becomes scary when they are launched into the series. Flight width, cancer, sideways and with a jump in the forward direction, like backwards, no one can do this, and apparently because the pilots are afraid to fly in it, it can, like that pistol in the movie "Beat Freddy first", which reads " Fedya drink first" he can shoot forward, when switching back and to the sides, he can describe an oval and a homing sight. But you need to be afraid of it. The gun in the film killed Kostya, who was eating sausage, from the first shot. In a certain kingdom, in a certain state, he served at the airfield of one special regiment. So there the pilots flew three times a week, three times a day. We had just gotten used to these fighters, when new ones had already arrived, and again it was necessary to adapt to automaticity to new aircraft, which were 30 percent more powerful and 20 percent faster. In addition to rockets, they could carry bombs weighing half a ton. The main advantage was that they flew much quieter than MiGs and SUs. Now aviation is jammed with writings on the Internet, and they are updated with them. It is a pity, of course, that this is so, but this was so sought after. It can be assumed that all of the listed aircraft will be sold to a country that has destroyed its factories in order to load factories abroad.
  10. greenchelman Offline greenchelman
    greenchelman (Grigory Tarasenko) 25 July 2022 12: 48
    0
    The Dassault Rafale is a French-made fourth-generation multirole fighter. Developed by Dassault Aviation, this aircraft is in service only with the French Air Force and Navy. It is somehow difficult to imagine that Paris will provide Rafale to Kyiv.

    Amazing nearby ...
    Egypt - 24 Rafale (16 Rafale DM and 8 Rafale EM).
    India - 36 Rafale (28 Rafale EH and 8 Rafale DH).
    Qatar - 36 Rafale (30 singles and 6 doubles).
    Greece - 6 Rafale (at the beginning of 2022). Ordered 24 in the F3-R variant in the amount of $3,3 billion, some of them (12) are used.