History with geography: why Lavrov's speech is not a reason for optimism


A number of statements by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, made by him during an interview with RT, have already caused a lot of noise in the information space, and not only in Russia. In "nezalezhnaya", for example, they were regarded as a sign of "the expansion of Moscow's territorial claims." Overseas, some people considered the theses and forecasts set forth by the country's chief diplomat as a semi-official response to the ultimatum to the Kremlin that sounded the day before from John Kirby's mouth, concerning precisely "territorial claims."


At the same time, for many Russians, Lavrov's words about the possible "expansion of the geography of the NWO" caused a surge of jingoistic euphoria and unbridled optimism. “You see, all the filthy weeders, the Minister of Foreign Affairs himself explains to you: we will move on! You’ve been bugging everyone here about some kind of “leaks” and “agreements” - so here’s a refutation for you!” Well, with a great desire and a specific mindset, what Sergey Viktorovich said can be perceived in this vein. But if you read the text of his interview carefully and thoughtfully, paying special attention to those moments that are very clearly visible between the lines, the meaning emerges completely different. Certainly not as positive as some people think.

“There is no point in negotiations…” Did he exist at all?!


Among the most pleasing hard-nosed supporters of statements like “everything is going according to plan” and other especially optimistic citizens of Sergey Lavrov’s statements, one can single out his words that “negotiating with Ukraine in the current situation is pointless.” At the same time, he clarified: this situation has been created due to the fact that Washington and London will not allow Kyiv to talk about peace until they “decide that they have already scandalized enough”. It is clear that the existence of the Ukronazi regime under absolute external control is an axiom that does not need any additional proof. However, there is a strong reassessment of the negotiability, adequacy and desire to end the conflict of the Zelensky junta itself.

One can really imagine that solid “doves of peace” gathered there and those who are tearing at the soul of the figures of losses in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as pictures of hardships and deprivations that fall to the lot of civilians of the “nezalezhnaya”. I beg your pardon for being rude, but that the president is a clown, that all his entourage wanted to spit on such matters that did not concern them personally at all. “They don’t shake them” from the word “absolutely”, believe me. And from this very place begins a series of rather tricky and unpleasant questions. Well, for example, that if Mr. Lavrov states the absence of any meaning “at the present moment”, then, therefore, there was such a meaning earlier? Or will it appear in the future? However, the head of the diplomatic department gives a more than concrete and frank answer to them. According to him, in mid-April, peace could well have been concluded between Moscow and Kyiv, and “on the basis of the principles of the Ukrainian side.”

But this is how, excuse me, order to understand? What kind of “vision” of the Kyiv regime could become the basis for peace agreements at the time of April 15, when, as Lavrov himself claims, a certain “document that was drawn up based on their logic” was handed over to his representatives? Then, I remember, Zelensky and his hangers-on first of all demanded the immediate withdrawal of the Russian army “to the lines that it occupied as of February 23” (which, by the way, was subsequently partially done). But in exchange? Recognition of Crimea as Russian? An official renunciation of attempts to “de-occupy” the territories of the DPR and LPR, or even their “recognition within the borders of the regions? Refusal to join NATO? I'm sorry, but this is all just ridiculous!

All these "confessions" and promises would be disavowed and declared "made under the muzzle of Russian guns" as soon as the last fighter of the Liberation Forces left the borders of the "nezalezhnaya". In addition, how, then, to deal with the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, which were originally proclaimed by the Kremlin as the main goals of the NWO? Should they have been conducted by Zelensky and Arestovich? Really, it's hard to believe that Moscow could actually show such profound naivety and gullibility as to fall for such promises, which smack of outright fraud from a mile away. And yet, judging by the departure of the Russian Armed Forces from Kyiv after the show in Istanbul and other similar “gestures of good will”, that is exactly what happened. Sergei Viktorovich complains that later the "Western partners" intervened, who managed to persuade Kyiv to refuse negotiations and "achieve victory on the battlefield", and spoiled all the planned "harmony". Well, it remains only to rejoice at such a turn, which prevented the subsequent shame and catastrophe of truly universal proportions ...

“Let's push back geography…” All the way to Washington?


No less bewildering is another aspect of the Foreign Minister's interview. According to him, there was a geography in Istanbul based on “the realities of the end of March.” Now it has “changed” and includes “by far not only the DPR and LPR, but also the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and a number of other territories.” Again, it's full of fog. What, in fact, is it all about? On the inclusion of these territories in Russia? About the prospect of acquiring some other status for them, excluding a return to the deadly "embrace" of Ukraine? Perhaps, as an explanation, one should accept the words of Sergei Viktorovich that the geographical tasks of the NWO "will be moving further and further away from the current line." And this will happen as the “nezalezhnaya” “long-range weapons” are saturated by its Western “allies”.

Lavrov clarifies that a situation in which “weapons that pose a real danger to Russia would be deployed in that part of Ukraine that Zelensky will control or whoever replaces him” is “unacceptable.” And from these very words it becomes quite sad. That is, it turns out that leaving Zelensky and his criminal clique in power, on whose conscience there are already many war crimes, is this permissible? And what does this “who will replace him” mean? The current Ukronazi regime should be replaced by the Forces of Liberation that forced it to complete and unconditional surrender! And there are no other options here. If the change of power in Kyiv is carried out by local "patriots" or, more likely, by their curators from across the ocean or from London, you will not end up in trouble. Little later, as they say, it will not seem to anyone.

As for the intentions voiced by the head of the Foreign Ministry to “push back the geography” of the offensive and liberate the remnants of Ukraine as more and more deadly weapons appear in the local warriors, they are at least pointless. And here's why: in the scenario that we are currently witnessing, the Hymars with a range of 300 kilometers will inevitably be replaced (or rather, will be supplemented) by F-15 and F-16 fighters complete with Patriot air defense systems . Will we move further? Well, so we get Aegis with Tomahawks. Or something else similar ... And there - and nuclear weapons aimed at Moscow. How far shall we move, gentlemen and comrades? According to the mind, it would be necessary to go to Washington, as to a real "decision-making center". Well, or, which is much more realistic and pragmatic, - to the current western borders of the “nezalezhnoy”. This is at least.

Since absolutely any decision, except for the complete defeat of the Ukronazi junta and the final liberation from its bloody rule of all the territories of present-day Ukraine without exception, will result in extremely difficult consequences not only for the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, the liberated regions of the Ukrainian south, but primarily for Russia itself. On this issue, I fully and completely agree with the conclusions and forecasts of my esteemed colleague Sergei Marzhetsky, recently outlined by him in a number of articles on our resource. Some readers, in a tone that does not honor them at all, brought down a hail of reproaches on this author, trying to declare him almost a "hireman of Kyiv" and an "agent of the State Department." Be ashamed, gentlemen and comrades! Poisoning someone who speaks the truth, even if it is extremely unpleasant and difficult for you to perceive (and does it quite reasonably and correctly), does not mean showing patriotism. Denying a problem has never been the way to solve it...

Regarding the further prospects of the “negotiation process” with Kyiv, which, apparently, Sergey Lavrov hypothetically admits in some future, his colleague, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba, spoke best of all, whom I allow myself to quote:

The Russians demonstrate not readiness for negotiations, but the immutability of the ultimate goal of this operation - the destruction of Ukraine. There are no peace talks to this day due to the fault of the Russian side, and no one meets on this topic. Everyone understands that negotiations are directly linked to the situation at the front. I tell all partners a simple thing: “Russia must sit down at the negotiating table after the defeat on the battlefield. Otherwise, it will again be the language of ultimatums.”

Here you are, in fact, and all the "prospects".

At the meeting of the Contact Group for the Defense of Ukraine “Ramstein-4”, which took place the day before, its participants (the number of which, by the way, has already exceeded fifty countries) stated that “there is no and will not be any fatigue from the war in Ukraine.” At least, this is what Alexey Reznikov, the Minister of Defense of the “non-independent” who participated in this event, claims. According to him, “the common position of the Ramstein participants is to support Ukraine until victory, since it is the shield of Europe.” What is important, according to the head of the Ukrainian military department, this time "the partners have assumed obligations that relate to the sea, and land, and the sky." So, the NWO will soon have to “push back the geography” literally in all elements. Unless, of course, Russia radically changes the concept of perception of what is happening and does not recognize that this is not at all about “defending Donbass” or “demilitarizing” a completely enraged neighboring country, but about preserving its own statehood, and nothing less. Such is the story with geography, and with everything else in addition ...
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  1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 21 July 2022 10: 28
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    Author!

    The meaning of what Lavrov said is absolutely obvious - the West is invited to the territorial division of Ukraine and "wiping this statehood" from the political map of the world.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 21 July 2022 14: 24
      +1
      You don't seem to understand everything. Implicitly we are talking about the division of Russia, Ukraine is here, like a trial sacrificial pawn in the war against Russia. Accordingly, one must understand the NWO as a preemptive strike in the already large military confrontation between Russia and the eternal enemy, the West. (This is what the head of Iran said at a meeting with V.V. Putin). Everything points to this - inflated unprecedented Russophobic hysteria all over the world, unprecedented sanctions of the Russian Federation, direct extensive military support for the enemy of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, etc. Russia for centuries ... And the statements of S. Lavrov are a diplomatic joke about the supply of more formidable weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
  2. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 21 July 2022 11: 08
    +8
    The danger of betrayal of the government itself is not small, out of the three representatives, two would gladly betray for the return of the stolen.
    1. nurmag07 Offline nurmag07
      nurmag07 (Magomed Nurmagomedov) 21 July 2022 11: 40
      +3
      That's right!
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 22 July 2022 08: 20
      -1
      Quote: kriten
      The danger of betrayal of the government itself

      Enemies around again?
  3. ZnahWest Offline ZnahWest
    ZnahWest (Ingvar b) 21 July 2022 11: 59
    +3
    Nothing new. The outskirts must be disinfected completely.
  4. Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 21 July 2022 12: 07
    +4
    It all reminds me of something in the memory of A. Kozyrev, who asked the State Department for a "green card" ... Not for himself, his beloved (after all, a whole minister of foreign affairs ...) - for his wife. Explaining his humble request "the precariousness of his position ...".
    Well, it was still under the Yeltsin "family" ... The family remained - the "owner" changed ...
  5. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 21 July 2022 12: 13
    +1
    There is a suspicion that the REAL goals and "borders" of the NWO were directly and unambiguously announced back in the fall of 2021 in a message to NATO.
    The neutral status of Ukraine and the non-deployment of foreign military bases on the territory.
    Everything. Point.
    They were, in fact, voiced by Medinsky at the talks in early March.
    And they, I believe, continue to be relevant to the present.
    VERY modestly in the opinion of sofa patriots preparing to celebrate the capture of Kyiv, Odessa and Lvov, but more than realistic.
    Especially considering how everything we have ... is problematic with the real state of the RF Armed Forces and real import substitution.
    Everything else is nothing more than forceful pressure to accept these rather simple and unassuming conditions.
    How it all ends in the end ... is unclear.
    1. ksa Online ksa
      ksa 27 July 2022 07: 44
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      This is not enough. A prerequisite is the demilitarization of the country. That is, the liquidation of the armed forces and enterprises for the production of weapons. Approximately as it was done with Germany and Japan in 1945. Let me remind you that the NWO began after Zelensky openly announced that he was going to start manufacturing nuclear weapons. In fact, it probably already has.
  6. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 21 July 2022 12: 18
    +1
    Dear author! I have been reading your articles for a long time and I like a lot. But in this case, do not forget that Lavrov's position is such that he would say what is beneficial to us, and not to our enemies. History has no subjunctive mood. Therefore, it is possible and necessary to appeal to certain facts for one's own purposes, but it is not worth drawing conclusions from this, time goes by and shows that as long as everything is done correctly and the resources of the West and all enemies of Russia are being depleted ...
  7. Kade_t Offline Kade_t
    Kade_t (Igor) 21 July 2022 13: 18
    +1
    There are only two options, either a complete purge or a territorial division, and a complete purge will turn into a big crap, so the division is a sound decision, the rest of the territories will end up with a NATO country, and everyone understands the price of the issue of a war between Russia and NATO, there will be order.
  8. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 21 July 2022 17: 17
    +1
    Almost half a year later, someone about geography?! Seriously?!
    In the meantime:

    There was data on the constriction of foreign instructors in the Slavic direction. They arrive along with weapons supplied by the West. The United States and its allies have pledged to provide Ukraine with more than 20 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, of which 12 have already been transferred to Kyiv.

    and they arrive not by teleportation, but along those same bridges and roads and a piece of iron ....
    For some reason, no one explains why an infinite number of high-precision Russian missiles could not seriously hit the bridges across the Dnieper. Although it is precisely on these bridges that Ukrainian reinforcements and weapons from Western countries are moving to the front in a continuous stream. This also applies to the iron. And to the border crossing points, where trains change shoes, etc. Not to mention the notorious "decision-making centers", at least Ukrainian?! Not a single high-ranking Nazi was harmed by the word at all - neither from missile strikes, nor from the actions of special forces. Is that from the decrees of the Nazi clown on the shuffling of personnel.

    but the enemies are not shy and do not choose words, voicing clearly:

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned Secretary of State Anthony Blinken that Congress itself would list Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism if the State Department did not. In addition, she is going to visit Taiwan, which is unacceptable for Beijing and could provoke a conflict around the island.

    In the meantime:

    The United States does not rule out the transfer of Western-style military aviation to the Ukrainian side, said US Air Force Chief of Staff General Charles Brown in his speech at the Aspen Institute's annual security forum in Colorado.
    Touching upon the topic of the presence of foreign equipment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Brown said that "there is an American F-15, F-16, there is a Swedish JAZ39 Gripen, there is a Euroflighter, there is a Rafale." “There are several weapons systems that can be supplied to Ukraine,” he said, adding that he did not mean Soviet-style fighters, since “it will be more difficult to get spare parts for them.”

    Given the determination and desire of the West to destroy Russia and fight to the "last Ukrainian", there is practically no doubt about new supplies.
    and what kind of "veiled" diplomacy in "white gloves" and "tolerant" expressions in relations with a clear enemy?! when he (the enemy) openly declares the defeat and destruction of Russia?!
    Simply, in words and on paper, everything is “beautiful” and “benevolent” among politicians and officials, and the consequences of this “goodness” and “diplomacy” are then disentangled by Russian soldiers and officers fighting the Nazis, and felt by civilians in Donbass and Russia .. .
  9. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 21 July 2022 19: 45
    +1
    If taken seriously, in the interests of the Russian people.
    "Russia needs a law on Ukraine."
    It is necessary to legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
    Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation conducted by the Russian Federation in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
    The presence of the Law will designate the goal, give certainty about the future to the citizens of Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime. The military of Ukraine will en masse go over to the side of the Russian Federation, knowing that in the future they will become citizens of Russia and, if desired, military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces.
    All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    The unilateral appeal adopted on December 5, 1991 by the Supreme Council of Ukraine “To the Parliaments and Peoples of the World”, by which it announced that “Ukraine considers the 1922 Treaty on the Establishment of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with respect to itself null and void” is void, since in 1936 a new The Constitution of the USSR, with the entry into force of which the Constitution of the USSR of 1924 ceased to operate, including the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922. The Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922 did not exist as an independent legal document.
    The withdrawal of the Republic of Ukraine from the USSR was possible only with a positive decision received at the USSR Referendum and the implementation of the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”.
    The USSR Constitution of 1977 was adopted by all the peoples of the USSR, and only the entire people of the USSR could give permission for Ukraine to leave the USSR.
    The exit of Ukraine without a nationwide referendum in the USSR and the failure to comply with the law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations.
    The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine.
    The USSR is the successor - the successor of the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation-Russia is the successor - the successor of the USSR. All of them are the same subject of history and international law (RF), which has a new name and a different socio-political system. The Russian Federation-Russia and the USSR paid off all debts, including those of the Russian Empire, for which there are court decisions or other supporting documents. For example, between 1997 and to 2000 From the budget of the Russian Federation, payments were made in the total amount of 400 million US dollars in favor of the Government of the French Republic for the debts of the Government of the Russian Empire. In August 2006, the Russian Federation fully repaid the lend-lease debt to the United States. There are no outstanding debts, we do not consider modern loans. This is a fact that the Russian Federation has unilaterally assumed obligations to be the successor - successor of the Russian Empire and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR).
    Russia did not transfer, sell or donate to the former Soviet republic of the USSR Ukraine its territories, as well as its foreign assets.
    It is urgently necessary for the Russian Federation-Russia, as the successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and as the owner of the territory of the former USSR republic of Ukraine, to secure Russia's ownership of this territory within the 1975 borders. (Helsinki Accords) by legislative means, unilaterally.
    Example. In 2005, China passed the Anti-Secession Law. According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
    On June 15, 2022, China adopted the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) legal framework for non-military military activities. That will allow the PRC army to participate in operations not related to the war.
    The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows Russia's enemies to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia and allows NATO countries to annex this no man's territory.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 22 July 2022 08: 27
      0
      Have you tried instead of placing footcloths to simply give links to the material? Moreover, a post with this content has already been posted here several times. Anyone who is interested will take a look. And who does not, he will pass by. And footcloths make the discussion unreadable.
  10. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 21 July 2022 20: 46
    +2
    Lavrov is the minister of the old formation, now the time is different. He has all "partners", and those who call us enemies, and those who expel our diplomats. Lavrov gave an interview and the second day of politics, experts are trying to decipher what he wanted to say. It's not for the present.
  11. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 21 July 2022 23: 04
    -1
    18.55 Lavrov called it shameful that no one in Europe reacted to the statements of the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who announced that there were no plans to implement the Minsk agreements.

    go nuts .. the Russian army is fighting the Nazis, it "flies" to Russia, civilians are dying in the Donbass .. and Lavrov is about "shameful" ?! what a shame?! what Poroshenko?! what Europe?! what Minsk?! what is he talking about?!! What kind of "baby talk"?! it remains to apologize and wipe off .... It would be better to be silent.
    in the meantime, someone about "geography" and "shame":

    17.55 Great Britain will supply Ukraine with a batch of 105-mm artillery pieces L-119 (36 pieces) and 20 pieces of 155-mm self-propelled guns M-109. Together with them, 50 thousand shells will be delivered.
    Kyiv will also receive from the British more than a hundred drones and radars for counter-battery combat.

    and the Britons are not a bit ashamed ....
    in the meantime, who is what and about what:

    17.10 Ramzan Kadyrov:
    “My favorite albino lion cubs have officially received their nicknames... Considering the successful results of the special operation in Ukraine and the LPR, as well as plans for the speedy liberation of the DPR, it was decided to name the cubs: Donnie - in honor of DONETSK, Hans - in honor of Lugansk, Marip - in honor of MARIupol ".

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    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 22 July 2022 08: 28
      -1
      Envy silently
  12. anclevalico Offline anclevalico
    anclevalico (Victor) 22 July 2022 07: 38
    +3
    And no one noticed the phrase about Zelensky, who will control the territories, in connection with which the borders will have to be pushed back? Those. it is no longer claimed that this bastard will be demolished, but it is assumed that some territory will remain where he will continue to rule. Wonderful plum, isn't it?
  13. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 22 July 2022 13: 18
    +1
    Lavrov is a diplomat who spent his most fruitful and active life in the UN offices, but problems were never solved there, they were chattered there, the Foreign Ministry has the same policy now, do not decide anything, chat, play for time and maybe everything will be resolved by itself, but about agreement in Istanbul, then you have to bow to the clown team for once again throwing the Kremlin, otherwise everything would have ended again with another Minsk
  14. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 22 July 2022 18: 30
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    Since what happened in 1991 was a betrayal of everything that can be betrayed, from ideology to military oath, further events can only go to their logical conclusion.
    No matter what phrases and images it is all disguised.

    Judging by Lavrov's vague words about "geography" - you can expect anything. It was said in February: "There will be a rout and terrible consequences." Pick it up as you please....
  15. amon Offline amon
    amon (Amon Amon) 22 July 2022 23: 34
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    Treason at the highest level! Betrayed and won't blink an eye!
  16. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 27 July 2022 05: 37
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    The geography of the NWO needs to be expanded. We will have to denazify and demilitarize at least the entire left-bank Khokhland.