Why a truce with Kyiv in 2022 could cost Russia a nuclear war in 2025


Today, when the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, together with the NM LDNR, are successfully destroying the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard in the Donbass, it may seem strange to talk about Russia's strategic defeat. However, there are more and more signs that our military special operation in Ukraine may not end quite the way the majority of Russians and adequate Ukrainians would like. From Istanbul, which has replaced Minsk as a negotiating platform for the High Sides, “evil winds” have blown that do not bode well for us all.


About how competent the author of these lines is in compiling long-term forecasts, everyone, if desired, can form their own opinion, having familiarized themselves with his publication on the portal "Military Review" dated May 5, 2015 under the title "Requiem for Novorossia". There you can evaluate what was written really and what didn’t, and read the then numerous angry comments before scribbling your own. I really don’t want to croak and make a mistake now, but here you are, our dear readers, another long-term forecast, and, alas, it is even more negative.

Let's sing…


When compiling this forecast, the author of the lines proceeded from the assumption that in Russia the so-called comprador elites will continue to make consensual decisions on key issues. This is a fundamental moment on which the whole future of our country will depend without exaggeration. So let's get started.

Like us and supposed Previously, the campaign to liberate the territories of the DPR and LPR will take the rest of the summer and end, most likely, by the beginning of autumn 2022. What will happen next? Everyone is wondering where exactly the Russian army will go - to Kharkov, Zaporozhye or Nikolaev with Odessa. However, it probably won't go anywhere else. Here I would like to express my gratitude to the President of Serbia, Aleksandar Vucic, who explained what will happen next:

An offer will follow. If the West does not accept him, and he does not intend to, we will all go to hell.

Yes, the proposal for a truce will certainly follow, and the Kremlin will most likely suspend the offensive actions of the RF Armed Forces and the NM LDNR. But, most likely, the collective West, represented by Germany, France and other continental powers, will accept President Putin's "goodwill gesture", as well as convince London and Washington to slightly moderate their warlike fervor. Why?

Because the collective West has completely miscalculated its forces, getting involved in a sanctions proxy war with Russia. The industry of the Old and New Worlds is suffocating due to the shortage of energy resources and abnormal prices for them. To continue to push further means to bankrupt many multinational corporations, and the cold winter of 2022-2023 is on the nose, when even a refined European population can rebel. The collective West needs time to prepare for a new stage of the war with Russia, and it will gratefully accept Putin's "goodwill gesture". How long will it take the US and the EU to prepare for revenge?

Most likely, we need to focus on 2025, when additional gas liquefaction capacities will be put into operation and new LNG tankers will be launched. In parallel, for the next few years, the countries of the NATO bloc will use the delay to produce and purchase the latest weapons and retrain their armies. The North Atlantic Alliance will include new members - Finland and Sweden, where the corresponding military infrastructure will be located.

What will happen in Ukraine at this time?


Here it is worth expressing special gratitude to the former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, who, as if in spirit, recently told why Kyiv really needed the notorious Minsk agreements:

We have achieved what we wanted. We did not believe Putin, just as we do not believe now. Our task was, firstly, to avert the threat, or at least to delay the war. Knock yourself eight years so we can rebuild economic growth and built the power of the armed forces. This was the first task - and it was achieved.

Let's assume that in the early autumn of 2022 the Armed Forces of Ukraine are driven out of the territory of the DPR and LPR, and the Kremlin unilaterally suspends the offensive. What's next?

And then, under the strict guidance of NATO instructors, Kyiv retrains and re-equips the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Western models, which have reached a strength of 1 million people, the backbone of which will be the evil veterans of the Eastern Front. They use the pause they have taken in order to start creating new fortification lines of fortifications already in the Zaporozhye and Nikolaev directions. About to demilitarize Black Sea region, our "Western partners" have already made a fuss in Istanbul, doing it under the most plausible pretext of creating a "grain corridor" to save the starving all over the world. Ukrainian society will continue to be pumped even more with Russophobic propaganda for revenge, since there is something to remember: the repulsed attack on Kyiv, the drowned Moscow, other Russian warships, etc. Having received American long-range missile systems, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will regularly begin to nightmare the already liberated former regions of the Independent .

What will happen in Russia at this time?


Nothing good.

At first, the society will be split, dissatisfied with the fact that the NWO will be stopped halfway and the Nazi criminals will escape their well-deserved punishment. Yes, the media and the “guardians” will do their job, convincing them of the correctness of the decision to be content with “real results”, but you won’t deceive everyone.

Secondly, the accession of the DPR with the LPR and the Sea of ​​\u3b\u1bAzov to the Russian Federation will be in question. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation simply will not be able to provide them with reliable protection from terrorist attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and it may not be advisable to accept such problem regions as part of the Russian Federation. How is it possible to protect, say, Kherson from rocket attacks from Nikolaev, if the hands of our military will be tied by Minsk-XNUMX (Istanbul-XNUMX) and they will be forbidden to attack, as once the militia in the Donbass? With a referendum on the accession of the DPR and LPR, under a plausible pretext, they will offer to wait, and the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov generally risks remaining in the gray zone, neither here nor there.

Thirdly, against the backdrop of an objective decline in the standard of living of Russians due to the consequences of Western sanctions and such an unintelligible result of the NWO, President Putin's rating will inevitably begin to decline. Political scientists know that Vladimir Vladimirovich is actively exploiting the image of a “Strong Personality”, which can “soak anyone in the toilet”. However, fair questions will arise, where he was looking for all 8 years, while the Russophobic Nazi regime was growing at his side in Ukraine, and why he could not demolish it, if he already took it. Is he really as strong as he tries to show?

The result will be an outflow from the incumbent head of state even of his "nuclear electorate." And in 2024, we recall, we have scheduled the next presidential election. For the first time in his career, Vladimir Putin runs the risk of going to the second round with difficult to predict consequences. His “spoiler”, who also used the image of a “Strong Personality”, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, loyal to the Kremlin, died. Attempts to hastily mold a "hawk" from the liberal Dmitry Medvedev look ridiculous. Foolish decisions in 2022 will have to be paid very soon, in 2024. Will the collective West take advantage of the confusion and vacillations in Russian society?

Undoubtedly. What happened in 2020 in Belarus and at the beginning of 2022 in Kazakhstan will seem “flowers”. It may well come to the point that it will be necessary to disperse the angry crowd with "bayonets". And there ahead is 2025, when the NATO bloc will be ready for the second stage of the war with Russia. But will our country be ready for this? Question.

The second stage of the war in Ukraine will be provoked by Kyiv itself, simply by cutting off water supplies to the already liberated Donbass through the Dnieper-Donbass canal. We will have to start another SVO, and we will again be accused of aggression and all mortal sins. But the Ukrainian army will no longer be the same as it is now. And the NATO bloc will be able to operate more freely, since the critical dependence on Russian energy resources will have already been eliminated by that time. The war and losses will be truly terrible, Ukrainian missiles will hit far deep into our territory. And when Russia gets bogged down in a conflict in the western direction, Japan can step in with a landing operation on the Kuril Islands. This is focused on 2026-2027. All that will then be left for the Kremlin to do is to use nuclear weapons with unpredictable consequences.

In other words, reconciliation with the Ukrainian Nazis in the fall of 2022 could cost a nuclear war in 2025-2027. I really want to be wrong, but so far the trend is going in this direction.

Can anything go differently? Yes, if the “collective Medinsky”, who at the talks in Istanbul fights for the yachts of Russian billionaires and a residence permit in France for the conditional “Liza Peskova” (collective image), is removed from decision-making and everyone starts to steer exclusively the “power tower” of the Kremlin, and the new Liz Truss becomes Prime Minister of Great Britain.
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  1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 15 July 2022 17: 11
    -1
    a truce with Kyiv in 2022 may cost ... the collective West a nuclear war in 2025

    V. Putin has already spoken about this possibility:

    We, as martyrs, will go to heaven, and they will simply die.

    Regarding Kyiv's failure to comply with the "Minsk agreements": it is really amazing that in response, the opposite side did not resume hostilities!
  2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 17: 15
    +1
    Too cool to be true.
    By the way, did he ask all his fellow citizens if they were ready to turn into radioactive ashes because of his jambs?
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 15 July 2022 17: 34
      -3
      Is it logical to demand a non-stop offensive from the "mowing" leader of the Russian Federation?
      Potential radioactive ash:

      As of July 15, 2022, according to VTsIOM, the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin has a trust rating of 81.5%
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 18: 35
        +4
        Is it logical to demand a non-stop offensive from the "mowing" leader of the Russian Federation?

        The offensive to the Polish border is his only chance to fix the jambs

        Potential radioactive ash: >As of July 15, 2022, according to VTsIOM, Russian President Vladimir Putin has a trust rating of 81.5%

        This has not been suspended yet.
      2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 16 July 2022 09: 18
        +1
        And you believe in these data. My family has three people who didn't vote, five brothers and sisters, five wives and husbands, 5 nephews and no one voted. The list goes on.
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 16 July 2022 09: 33
          +2
          To believe or not to believe: this is a matter of freedom of conscience.
          And rating and voting: "these are two big differences."
          You and your relatives are among the 18,5% (which is also quite a lot) who do not trust V. Putin.
          It's your right!
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 04: 40
      +1
      A strange statement ... Or maybe you need to ask NATO if our fellow citizens want to turn into radioactive ash from American missiles? Marzhetsky think at least a little of what you write.
      I read there about the Requiem for Novorossiya and once again became convinced that nonsense even then settled in the minds of Ukrainian clairvoyants guessing on the coffee grounds.
    3. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 20 July 2022 23: 03
      +1
      In principle, I agree with you. But what about Liz Truss? Anyone who comes to power in the UK is an outright Russophobe
    4. anclevalico Offline anclevalico
      anclevalico (Victor) 22 July 2022 07: 47
      0
      When did someone ask the citizens?
  3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 July 2022 17: 38
    -9
    As we previously assumed, the campaign to liberate the territories of the DPR and LPR will take the rest of the summer and will most likely end by the beginning of autumn 2022

    It seems like they promised 10 hours, no ..?

    Quote: Marzhetsky
    And indeed, in 10 hours, this can probably be done by disorganizing the offensive and defensive potential of the enemy. But what's next? Will military victory be secured legally and politically?

    Something went wrong?
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 15 July 2022 17: 50
      +2
      And what do we see? The other day we were pleased by a certain source in the RF Ministry of Defense, who announced the prospect of a conflict between the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, that the Ukrainian army would be “neutralized” in a period of 50 minutes to 10 hours:

      Yes, the Russian army is objectively stronger than the Ukrainian one, but 50 minutes? Too jingoistic and inadequate sounds, so motley military experts had to decipher this message. It turns out that this is not at all about the "capture of Kiev" and not about the "occupation of Ukraine", but about some kind of "neutralization" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It supposedly refers to the delivery of missile and air strikes on command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, warehouses with ammunition and fuels and lubricants, points of communication, communications, and places of deployment of large military units. Indeed, in about 10 hours, this can probably be done by disorganizing the enemy's offensive and defensive potential. But what next? Will the military victory be secured legally and politically?
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  4. Oleg Dmitriev Offline Oleg Dmitriev
    Oleg Dmitriev (Oleg Dmitriev) 15 July 2022 17: 43
    +2
    Personally, the author's pessimistic scenario seems more than likely to me.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 15 July 2022 17: 53
      -6
      Destroy the planet?
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 18: 34
        -3
        The joke is that our nuclear arsenals are so reduced that we cannot even completely destroy the United States. At best, cause unacceptable damage.
        At worst, they will knock out DA airfields, bases of strategic nuclear submarines from us with a preventive strike, catch and sink a few RKPSNs. And in our country, by the way, 40% of the striking power of a retaliatory nuclear strike is tied to the Marine component of the nuclear triad.
        As for the destruction of the planet - these are outdated agitation.
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 15 July 2022 19: 57
          -3
          "Sarmatians" (and not only) - which are about to be put on combat duty - "are these outdated agitation"?
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 20: 02
            0
            That's when they put it, then we'll talk. I am touched by the fact that they threaten with weapons that have not been put into service.
            I was taught as a child that you only need to count the money that you have in your pocket. And it is right.
            1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
              Michael L. 16 July 2022 09: 36
              +3
              "And not only" - are already in service.
          2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 15 July 2022 22: 35
            +3
            Quote from Mikhail L.
            "Sarmatians" (and not only)

            These "Sarmatians" were given to you! The good old "Satan" (aka 15A18, 15A18M and 15A14) is no worse, except that it can't maneuver. But she doesn't need it. Warheads go into space and from there go to targets with speeds slightly less than the first space one and, accordingly, with a probability of 99. (9)% overcome any missile defense. And does anyone really have an argument against 120 launchers, which host approx. 1000 warheads with a capacity of 0,55 ... 0,8 Mt? And no one is going to remove them from combat duty. It was only the USSR that was able to put on a database a couple of missile divisions (or even more) a year.
            1. Tourist Offline Tourist
              Tourist (tourist) 16 July 2022 13: 41
              +1
              someone has an argument against 120 launchers, which host approx. 1000 war blocks

              the simplest arguments are mathematics and physics.
              do you know the radii of the affected areas of 500-800kt warheads? take with a margin of 10 km. The area of ​​the circle, as we remember from school, P * R ^ 2 = 3.14 * 100 = 314 km2. multiply by 1000, we get 314 thousand km.2 of destruction. The US area is about 9-10 million km2. Divide one by the other and get 3% of the US area. This is the whole result. Considering that we started first, no one interfered with us, everything took off and flew.
              Excluding Europe, Turkey, Japan, and China at hand.
              If you take them into account and leave something in reserve for a rainy day to contain the remaining neighbors, then, accordingly, the result will be even less.
              At the same time, the US nuclear forces, mainly on submarines, will hardly be affected by this strike.
              1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                k7k8 (vic) 16 July 2022 17: 18
                +2
                A tourist is a tourist. You wouldn't brag about your ignorance in public. You can immediately see that the course "Protection against weapons of mass destruction" is less known to you than the theory of quantum physics.
        2. Polente the Wanderer 17 July 2022 16: 12
          0
          our nuclear arsenals are so reduced that we cannot even completely destroy the United States

          How could a political scientist calculate how much damage the nuclear triad would cause? If experts have calculated, where are the links?
        3. anclevalico Offline anclevalico
          anclevalico (Victor) 22 July 2022 07: 50
          0
          I see more and more of these opinions. It is dangerous to think that a nuclear war can be spent in the basement.
  5. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 15 July 2022 17: 55
    +15
    In the event of the suspension of our offensive on the borders of the LDNR and the operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, a very reasonable question will inevitably arise, why did we ruin and maim so many of our young guys if we did not bring our work and our goals to their logical end.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 18: 31
      +3
      Yes, it is precisely this fair question that Russian society will ask itself.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 04: 26
        +3
        Marzhetsky, name at least one reason for which the operation will be suspended. At least one, real and not invented by you.
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 July 2022 19: 21
      -4
      Quote: sgrabik
      In the event of the suspension of our offensive on the borders of the LDNR and the operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, a very reasonable question will inevitably arise, why did we then ruin and maim so many of our young guys

      This question will arise even if we reach the Polish border. At least it seems to me that it should occur in normal people.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 15 July 2022 20: 04
        +8
        Normal people - this question has long been answered: the West intends to destroy the Russian Federation as a state entity in order to get cheap access to its natural resources!
        No wonder in Russia the word "liberal" is already becoming synonymous with "traitor"! ;-(
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 20: 13
          +4
          In Russia, a liberal is a synonym for a collaborator.
        2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 July 2022 21: 03
          -7
          Quote from Mikhail L.
          The West intends to destroy the Russian Federation as a state entity in order to get cheap access to its natural resources!

          Nonsense all this! You give me a statement from Albright and Thatcher! So think people of a certain warehouse believers in all sorts of conspiracy theories. It is difficult to call this a criterion of normality.

          Quote from Mikhail L.
          No wonder in Russia the word "liberal" is already becoming synonymous with "traitor"!

          This is also not a sign of normality for a country living under a liberal constitution and imitating liberal democracy.
          1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
            sgrabik (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 21
            +5
            From your statements, one gets the impression that you do not live in Russia, but in some other dimension, the dimension of crooked mirrors.
          2. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
            Michael L. 16 July 2022 09: 42
            +3
            Does the liberal traitor "hint" at the opponent's abnormality?
            But is it reasonable to inform ... an insane person about his abnormality?
            Do you want punitive psychiatry to help you?
            Veiled rudeness has not painted anyone yet! ;-(
        3. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx (Aslan) 16 July 2022 09: 27
          -1
          If, according to the constitution, two terms and no more, then you are a liberal. If we demand normal pay and a normal life, then it’s a liberal. If bad medicine, education, the police don’t catch mice, the army will lay down half the country for protection, and as a result, we will turn into dust, the liberals are out of shape. The government is liberal, and who is the president?
          1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
            Michael L. 16 July 2022 10: 12
            +2
            Do you yearn for ... the liberal B. Yeltsin?
            1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
              aslanxnumx (Aslan) 16 July 2022 11: 50
              0
              Putin has not gone far from Yeltsin, and life will get worse in any case. Look, as if from tears of tenderness for Putin, half of the country is not flooded.
              1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
                Michael L. 16 July 2022 13: 37
                0
                You need to intimidate sequentially:
                Look, as if from tears of tenderness for ... the liberals Yeltsin and Putin did not flood half the country!
          2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 July 2022 04: 24
            +2
            Aslan, what is more important the Constitution or the people who vote for amendments, changes in the Constitution by a majority? What right do you have to oppose the majority opinion of the population of the country? None!!!
            We need regular pay...
            Or maybe you are lying? What does normal pay mean without taking into account the gradations of professions? In your opinion, a janitor should receive the same normal salary as a sixth-class welder? Or a person with no profession at all - a laborer at a factory should receive the same (normal) as an engineer at this factory? Do you think this is liberalism? No, this is egalitarianism, or, more simply, freebies.
            Well, what else did you write so I'm not even going to comment on it. It seems that you do not live in Russia at all.
      2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 16
        +3
        Quote from Mikhail L.
        This question will arise even if we reach the Polish border. At least it seems to me that it should occur in normal people.

        You are talking ridiculous nonsense, and there is no need to distort my words, our main goal is just the same access to the Polish border and the complete denazification / demilitarization of Ukraine, followed by integration with Russia and Belarus.
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 16 July 2022 09: 45
          0
          These are not my words, but those of O.Petersky.
  6. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 15 July 2022 18: 42
    +8
    For me, if Russia stops in Ukraine halfway through and before reaching the border of western Ukraine, then I will no longer have any faith in either the president or the rest of the top of power. So I did not participate in the NWO, but how those who have already won there will react and the rest who will return? This, in my opinion, will be the biggest mistake that will cost us very dearly, if not at all, lead to collapse. It is reluctant to believe that this will happen, but even thinking about it is unpleasant.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 18: 48
      +2
      That's what I'm talking about. The mood in society will change dramatically. It's disgusting to think about it. But...
      I now see the same thing that was in 2014-2015. It seems that they fought then, and the drain of Novorossia went. I wrote about it then. they threw insults at me ... so what?
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 04: 21
        -1
        And the fact that eight years of a truce made it possible to form an army of Donbass and prepare for the NVO of Russia. For the ending was known back then! Everyone knows except Marzhetsky.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 28
          0
          Yeah, tell the mobilized Donbass how they prepared for war and created the People's Militia. smile
          And also tell us why in 2014-2015 they didn’t drive the utterly defeated Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk, allowing them to dig in Avdiivka, Pesky and Maryinka.
        2. guest Offline guest
          guest 16 July 2022 14: 52
          +1
          If they were really preparing for the NWO, then this is a failure.
    2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 16 July 2022 09: 28
      -1
      Now I have no faith in the leadership of the country.
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 July 2022 18: 51
    -5
    Yes, for a year now, articles have required bloodshed ... Here it is, but even more is required ...
    The Simonyan PR people have begun, and now the media are already prophesying loaves of cores ...
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    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 19: 56
      +1
      And you, Serge, decide what you want yourself.
  8. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 15 July 2022 18: 59
    0
    There will be no stopping
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 26
      0
      Quote: Oleg_5
      There will be no stopping

      We all hope and believe that it will be so, it cannot be otherwise.
  9. FGJCNJK Offline FGJCNJK
    FGJCNJK (Nikolai) 15 July 2022 19: 02
    +5
    Stalin agreed to the point that he opened the 2nd front, and the collective Medyn rubbish to agree to what is written in this article. It is the one who stopped the Donetsk and Lugansk corps 8 years ago in their desire to go to Kyiv, he will stop the development of the offensive now. Who it is is not a secret to anyone. The question remains - why did so many people die? The people of Russia will decide it, and they will solve it. So it will be.
  10. Valery Vinokurov (valery vinokurov) 15 July 2022 19: 12
    +5
    are you stunned? To stop the special operation after the liberation of Donbass is to suffer a complete defeat, betray our soldiers and Donbass and destroy Russia
    Even I understand this, doesn't Putin really understand?
    Why will he stop when we haven’t even begun to fight, but we have already liberated the Donbass ??
    Why would Putin suddenly decide to betray his people? Why did you suddenly decide
    In short, what you said will mean the defeat and the end of Russia, for which I see absolutely no prerequisites
    Having taken the Donbass, we will rest and go to take Nikolaev and Odessa
    We will cut off Banderstat from the Black Sea by winter and unite with Transnistria
    This is me wang
    And then - due to circumstances, but I know for sure - Banderstat will not survive this winter
    Amen...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 19: 52
      0
      are you stunned? To stop the special operation after the liberation of Donbass is to suffer a complete defeat, betray our soldiers and Donbass and destroy Russia
      Even I understand this, doesn’t Putin really understand?7
      Why will he stop when we haven’t even begun to fight, but we have already liberated the Donbass ??
      Why would Putin suddenly decide to betray his people? Why did you suddenly decide

      And what exactly did he promise? Help Donbass? Was there something about Odessa?
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 15 July 2022 22: 44
        +4
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Was there something about Odessa?

        Of course it was. The task was voiced to denazify and demilitarize all of Ukraine, and not part of it. Schaub I'm dead, but Odessa is also Ukraine.
      2. guest Offline guest
        guest 16 July 2022 14: 50
        +2
        Yes, it was, about May 2, and decommunization means all the territories donated to Ukraine by Lenin, including Odessa.
  11. Was Offline Was
    Was 15 July 2022 19: 16
    -1
    No need to write nonsense. There will be no stop. Do you consider yourself smarter than Putin? This is mistake.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 19: 51
      -2
      Do you consider yourself smarter than Putin?

      To be honest, yes. Educated, smarter and farsighted.
      As a political scientist, I know who, when and why brought Putin to power. And I think his geopolitical genius is greatly overrated. Especially if you judge by real results.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 04: 04
        +4
        Marzhetsky yes you are just a narcissist
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 29
          -3
          I just adequately evaluate myself, as well as other people. I am responsible for my high self-esteem.
          1. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 16 July 2022 17: 40
            +2
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            I am responsible for my high self-esteem.

            however, it’s hard for you to write the goals and objectives of an aircraft carrier for the continental power of the Russian Federation, I remind you 10 times .... and you also write that you are smart and quick-witted
      2. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 16 July 2022 05: 48
        +2
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        To be honest, yes. Educated, smarter and farsighted.
        As a political scientist, I know who, when and why brought Putin to power. And I think his geopolitical genius is greatly overrated. Especially if you judge by real results.

        And who said that Putin's geopolitical qualification of any quality is his only thing, and there is nothing else that can be of more interest than geopolitics?
      3. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 16 July 2022 17: 46
        +2
        if you really knew President Putin (as I know him), then at least you would not allow yourself such statements .....

        Even in your thoughts do not slander the king, and in your bedroom do not slander the rich; for the bird of the sky can carry your word, and the winged bird can retell your speech.

        Ecclesiastes chapter 10

        and by the way, how do you think he came to power (I’m asking for the first time)?..... you are our psychologist = political scientist .... young man, when you were still in kindergarten, I already worked as an expert in the Kremlin and raised Putin's rating
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 17 July 2022 08: 54
          0
          Quote: vladimir1155
          if you really knew President Putin (as I know him)

          If you really knew President Putin personally, then you would not be here on this resource. The same applies to Mr. Marzhetsky.
          1. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 17 July 2022 15: 45
            +2
            I don’t know President Putin personally as well as his close associates, friends and close relatives (although I am a very distant relative of him), but I certainly know him better than Sergei Marzhetsky knows, if only because I understand that not everyone can with very limited initial opportunities to become president, wrest power from the oligarchs, hold on to power, defeat terrorists in Chechnya, even piss them in toilets, bring adequate people to power in Chechnya and make them fighters for the glory of Russia, lead the country for so many years, gain worldwide fame, the love of the people (in in any case, parts of the people) and respect for subordinates, as well as stop paying tribute to America and are not afraid to resist the Nazis in Ukraine, Putin received a poor, impoverished country, and made it again a great independent power .... these are all facts and not emotions
            1. Garri_ Offline Garri_
              Garri_ (GARRI) 18 July 2022 16: 11
              -1
              ..you’re normal .. wrest power from the oligarchs .. 23 years old, but didn’t wrest it out .. they probably grew together ..
              ..and we are still paying tribute to America ..
              1. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 18 July 2022 16: 18
                +1
                in January 2022, the budget rule was canceled, that is, a tribute to America .... I personally drew up the code of the Russian oligarch, 1 do not climb into power 2 pay salaries on time 3 pay taxes ... Khodorkovsky immediately violated, where is he? Berezovsky where? the rest fulfill the status quo and therefore live well ... and Putin has long been in power, and not the seven-bankers .....
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 July 2022 20: 11
      0
      And that Putin shines with his mind? He shines rather with the ability to speak loudly and then quietly merge
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 04: 01
        0
        Putin shines, which is why the majority of the Russian population chooses him.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 29
          -4
          He is chosen because no one gives us any other alternative. As a political scientist, I am well aware of all these mechanisms of manipulation of public consciousness.
        2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx (Aslan) 16 July 2022 09: 30
          -2
          Are you sure?
        3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 16 July 2022 11: 53
          -2
          If he had a brilliant mind, then how an intelligent person prepared for himself a worthy and reliable replacement, and this "smart" one is not even able to understand the situation on the outskirts in front of the NWO, because of him and his sycophants so many people were put to death in the first weeks
      2. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 16 July 2022 22: 09
        +5
        become at least a minister or a general, and only then judge those who have reached the heights of power ......

        "Eh, eh!" Pug replies to her:
        "This is what gives me the spirit,
        That I, absolutely without a fight,
        I can get into big bully.
        Let the dogs say:
        “Ay, Pug! know she is strong
        What bark at the Elephant! ”
  12. FGJCNJK Offline FGJCNJK
    FGJCNJK (Nikolai) 15 July 2022 19: 33
    +4
    Quote: Wasya
    This is mistake.

    I would like not to be mistaken, like 2014, after seven Ukrainian cauldrons - 1. Izvarinsky cauldron (up to 8000 punishers), 2. Ilovaisky cauldron (up to 5000 punishers), 3. Cauldron in Donetsk Airport (up to 1500 punishers at different times), 4. Debaltseve cauldron (up to 8000 punishers), 5. Amvrosievsky cauldron (6000 punishers), 6. Yelenovsky cauldron (2000 punishers), 7. Encirclement of Ukrainian troops at the Lugansk airport (2000 punishers).
  13. steelmaker Online steelmaker
    steelmaker 15 July 2022 20: 01
    0
    An offer will follow

    I agree with the author. But in order for the puzzle to work out, this proposal is needed. After the pension reform, betrayal from the authorities can be expected at any moment.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 July 2022 03: 46
      +2
      Steelmaker, what's wrong with the pension reform? What, retired in the old way and live bastards doing nothing and getting money from the state. Like you, this is a separate sort of people who are betrayed by this very hatred of pension reform, the essence of it is that such people did not really work before retirement, and even after retiring before the reform, all the dust that the pension is small is not the same as that of pensioners in Europe. And they can live happily ever after and travel to retire all over the world! They probably forgot the saying that says - In the wrong hands, the bolt is thicker!
      Here I am different and do not complain, because work for me is the meaning of life. I have been retired for fifteen years, and I simply cannot not work. Whoever wants to work will find a job and be satisfied that there is still the strength to work and feel like a full-fledged person!
      And what do you see as a betrayal of power from which you can expect at any moment? How did the government betray you personally, give examples of this betrayal. Otherwise, your words are just shameless slander!
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 17 July 2022 09: 19
        0
        So give up your pension, you are a patriot of the country, help the officials.
      2. sat2004 Offline sat2004
        sat2004 17 July 2022 20: 28
        0
        For 10 rubles. Yes, there is no price for you.
  14. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 July 2022 20: 11
    +3
    Quote: steel maker
    I agree with the author. But in order for the puzzle to work out, this proposal is needed.

    Believe me, I am writing this and deliberately running into the negativity of the "guardians" only with a timid hope that somehow it is possible to influence the situation and prevent this "drain". At least my conscience will be clear.
    As in 2014-2015 I wrote to nowhere, telling how all these Minsks would end up, getting a continuous hatred, so today I see that everything can repeat itself a hundred times worse. Let them better hate me, but I will somehow try to prevent this "drain".
    I'd rather be wrong in the end and personally apologize to Putin for the slander than everything goes according to what is written in the text.
    1. steelmaker Online steelmaker
      steelmaker 15 July 2022 21: 09
      -1
      I am writing this deliberately

      So I hope that there will be no such proposal.
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 35
        +4
        Even the very idea that it is possible to negotiate something with this criminal Nazi puppet regime in Kyiv is already a crime against the memory of our soldiers who died during the NVO and against all adequate and positive-minded citizens of Russia.
    2. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 16 July 2022 05: 53
      -2
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Believe me, I am writing this and deliberately running into the negativity of the "guardians" only with a timid hope that somehow it is possible to influence the situation and prevent this "drain". At least my conscience will be clear.

      And don't expect to keep your conscience clear. You, as a political scientist, are obliged to be more insightful than at this point in time.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 30
        0
        Yes, I just do not write everything that I could. hi
    3. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 17 July 2022 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      I'd rather be wrong in the end and personally apologize to Putin for the slander than everything goes according to what is written in the text.

      strong statement!
  15. FGJCNJK Offline FGJCNJK
    FGJCNJK (Nikolai) 15 July 2022 20: 22
    +4
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    everything will go according to the text.

    And so it will be if this collective Medyn rubbish is again allowed to negotiate.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 July 2022 21: 31
      +4
      Do you really think that all this Medyn rubbish speaks in its own name, these people will not take a step on their own, I immediately recall the former curator of the Donbass Comrade. Surkov, how they rinsed him, but it was clear that he was acting not on his own behalf, but on his boss, Putin
  16. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 15 July 2022 20: 31
    +2
    Shock in NATO, it turns out Russia can hit very hard. There will be no truce unless conditions are met.
  17. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 15 July 2022 21: 57
    +1
    there is no doubt that the Anglo-Saxons are using Ukrainian Nazism as a war of attrition against Russia, no doubt they tried to buy time in 2014 to arm the Nazi regime, there is no doubt that if necessary they will do the same now to start a war with the best conditions in three or four years, on the other hand, we are trying to do the same to buy time, to confront the collective West from a better position, to buy time, so that China overcomes American omnipotence economically, and the West further weakens the initiative to cease hostilities will contain four conditions. control 1 demilitarization of Ukraine, means that The Russian regime will not have the right to maintain the armed forces, it will not have the right to maintain foreign troops on its territory, it will only have the right to maintain internal security forces (militia) and compliance with these obligations will be strictly observed and monitored. 2 recognition of the Russian language as the second state language means that the Kyiv regime will not have the right to deny the Russian origin of the citizens of eastern Ukraine. 3 recognition of Crimea, Doba and Lugansk as Russian territory. Putin already knows that, unlike the Europeans, the directors of the current regime in the lower dungeons of the CIA will refuse, and then what the Serb said will happen
  18. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 15 July 2022 22: 20
    +1
    meanwhile:

    MOSCOW, July 15 - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that the first batch of American-made M270 multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) transferred by the UK had arrived in Ukraine. British Defense Minister Ben Wallace announced the UK's intention to supply guided missiles with a firing range of up to 70 kilometers for these systems.

    but all the time "conclusions" were made:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier that Russia, in the event of deliveries of long-range missiles to Kyiv, will draw its own conclusions about strikes against those objects that have not yet been hit.
    Russia has previously sent a note to NATO countries because of the supply of weapons to Ukraine. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted that any cargo that contains weapons for Ukraine will become a legitimate target for Russia. The Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation stated that the NATO countries are "playing with fire" by supplying weapons to Ukraine. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov noted that pumping Ukraine with weapons from the West does not contribute to the success of Russian-Ukrainian negotiations and will have a negative effect.

    and a commentary on the above from an ordinary Russian woman, as the quintessence of common "misunderstandings":

    I have a modest question: why are all these military equipment not affected by our high-precision weapons at the moment when they cross the border of Ukraine? in the first meters? WHY?
    July 15, 20:31 Milana Vyatskaya RIA Novosti

    if it dawns on housewives that something and somewhere is not as it should be ... if the "destroyed" (from 200 to 500 per day) APU are hitting Donbass and Russia more and more often (by the hands of Western instructors, mercenaries and the NATO military), and the equipment is getting more and more deadly, and the West is ready to go to the end, because its goal is the destruction of Russia, and someone just continues to "mind-blow", engages in strange business showdowns, plays grain and other muddy negotiations, drives resources to the West, pays for transit to the Ukrobanderites, and stirs the air in the stands and in the media, not wanting to admit that this is a war with the West, NATO, and not the NWO or the like?! and that in war - as in war. And there are more and more questions, because the heroic actions of the Russian army and allies contrast sharply with the actions of persons in power and who do not bear any responsibility ... and who do not want to clearly and very clearly indicate the ultimate goal of what is happening, without vague and "nothing" statements , and act in accordance with the laws of war, and not "twitch situationally" "from love to hate" to "colleagues and partners" ... in the hope that "maybe it will cost", we will slow down, talk and agree .... Otherwise, one gets the impression that the housewife will manage the state better than some of the persons who manage it ...

    The State Duma proposed equating the change of sports citizenship with treason. State Duma deputy Roman Teryushkov from United Russia proposed equating the change of sports citizenship with treason

    Defectors are always evil, but one would like to ask, but who, instead of a boycott (as it should be for a strong and independent state), encouraged and sent Russian athletes to games and other competitions without a flag, coat of arms and anthem in recent years ?! also inventing a bunch of excuses for such a shame?!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 03: 57
      0
      Ivan why do you hate Russia so much?
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 17 July 2022 09: 14
        -3
        If you write the truth, it is to hate Russia. And why do you hate Russia with your cheers for patriotism, which will not lead to good.
  19. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 15 July 2022 22: 31
    +7
    If the Kremlin surrenders after the liberation of Donbass.. It will be a total betrayal, a drain on the Russian world and Russia itself. It will be a disaster for our country..
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 July 2022 23: 50
      -6
      Quote: Cooper
      It will be a disaster for our country..

      Don't worry, the disaster has already happened.
  20. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 15 July 2022 23: 04
    0
    The author, Sergei Marzhetsky, certainly deserves respect for his point of view, as well as for the fact that he wants to defend it.

    ...Vladimir Vladimirovich actively exploits the image of a "Strong Personality" who can "soak anyone in the toilet." However, fair questions will arise, where did he look for all 8 years, while the Russophobic Nazi regime grew close by in Ukraine ...

    These fair questions arose a long time ago. "Readers" and "writers" on VO, who know how to separate flies from cutlets, perfectly understand what is the meaning of what the author of the article said. Those who, foaming at the mouth, try to pass off any, to put it mildly, Putin's mistake as another "multi-move" of the great "grand master" of foreign policy, and with loud "goons" to earn themselves another "military" rank in VO, bring great harm to society, yes and to ourselves.
    Do you really want to get to Putin's "paradise" as soon as possible?
    Or does someone doubt that in their "hell" it will be completely different from in our "paradise"?
    I dare to assure you, and there, and there, it will be exactly the same! And this Putin's stupidity is very much liked to be quoted, yes, however, like many of his other "pearls". No need...
    So, I repeat.
    We seem to have only two options left: one option is with Putin and his camarilla straight to "paradise". How soon is only a matter of time.
    Another option is to live happily ever after without Putin and his gang.
    And if I am given a choice, I will choose the second one ...
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 03: 54
      -5
      That is, you already agree to become a traitor to the Motherland?
      Or do you dream that instead of Putin, someone like you will come and everyone will be happy?
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 17 July 2022 09: 17
        0
        You are not a secret enemy, you provoke people into illegal statements. And you turn out to be a mishandled Cossack. Who do you work for
  21. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 15 July 2022 23: 06
    0
    The author of the article is not a vangovator, but a gloomy pessimist. What a horror "Because", "most likely", "suppose" - these are logical reasoning, and not "vanging".
  22. Nord11 Offline Nord11
    Nord11 (Sergei) 15 July 2022 23: 27
    +3
    Now we need to thoughtfully and carefully destroy the entire industry of Ukraine, the EU can arm it and arm it, but it will definitely not restore the economy. And the independence will quietly turn into a European garden-garden ..
  23. Navigator Offline Navigator
    Navigator (Andrei) 16 July 2022 01: 35
    +3
    so much text about nothing, solid fantasy.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 31
      -2
      This is just not your level of content, Andryusha. Under yours there is plenty in Runet.
  24. Polente the Wanderer 16 July 2022 02: 10
    -2
    Maybe the Author will immediately announce another option - If there is no truce and we will go to the final goal set out before the start of the special operation.
    What will happen in the end?
    It is good that the author only states on paper, but cannot make decisions.
    Politics is a dirty business ... and it is not always possible to fulfill all your fantasies and wishes.
    On the scales are the lives of Russians first of all ...

    Russia should seriously think about how our power capabilities correspond to the ambitions that we demonstrate. Otherwise, you will have to turn back, as in 1962.

    There can be no winners in a nuclear war ... unless someone survives in some deep bunkers for the elite (as in films) ...
  25. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 16 July 2022 03: 49
    +2
    Author or alarmist or provocateur. Nothing written in reality can not be in principle! When will it reach the author?
    What kind of truce has he been talking about so many times? The author is excluded! There can be no question of any delays and preparations for revenge until Ukraine capitulates. Maybe you just don't want it. But it won't be the same, no way! Whether you like it or not. If you really want to povangovat, then describe what will happen to Ukraine and the West after the surrender of Ukraine. Or weak?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 July 2022 09: 33
      -1
      In fact, I write about it every day. hi
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 July 2022 07: 59
        +1
        Yes? And why have I not yet read your article that those convicted by the Kyiv-2 Tribunal on the square in Kyiv do not hang Bandera from Zelensky and his ilk to foreign mercenaries - accomplices, as was the case when the Nazis and their henchmen and Bandera were hanged, by the way, too. And the final words - Some History teaches nothing!
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  26. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 16 July 2022 05: 29
    -4
    Quote from Mikhail L.
    The West intends to destroy the Russian Federation as a state entity in order to get cheap access to its natural resources!

    Instead of the West, the cheap natural resources of Russia should be given access to: the entire Soviet people (under socialism in the USSR); oligarchs, entrepreneurs, officials (under present-day capitalism in Russia). Missed nothing? Please correct me and teach me if something is wrong. Who finances Russia's military spending in Syria, in Ukraine? Notice I don't ask "how much?" I can only guess It is interesting if a person is already an adult and behaves responsibly in society.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 16 July 2022 09: 48
      +1
      Unfortunately, the confusion is not able to correct.
      Excuse me!
  27. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 16 July 2022 05: 36
    -1
    Quote: Spasatel
    Do you really want to get to Putin's "paradise" as soon as possible?

    I don't feel like it. I have my own paradise, in which there will always be a place for Putin (persona grata) and others of his level.
  28. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 16 July 2022 10: 35
    +3
    Everything that the author described is logically justified. But, dying for Ukraine is not included in the plans of the United States, and even more so of Europe. In conventional weapons and in population, Russia is actually inferior to the Western world. We are well aware that Russia's nuclear weapons are still holding back the West's aggression against us. Moreover, Russia has 7000 nuclear warheads and hypercarriers that are an order of magnitude superior to the American ones. Russia is a whole continent and it is simply impossible to control what will fly from where and where.
  29. eskkimo Offline eskkimo
    eskkimo (eskkimo) 16 July 2022 11: 02
    +1
    This article makes a lot of sense. So... what's next on the part of Russia? Much more so when it is clear that the US-UK agree with Walesa about what should the fate of Russia be. It might also be that the US-UK want through the same process Ukraine to shrink, too
  30. Vlad Petrov Offline Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 16 July 2022 12: 03
    +4
    Why, then, was it necessary to start the NWO in order to stop halfway and start bowing to the West. What was it like in Syria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia? Why don't the Russian leadership understand that this will be a catastrophe for our country. Such that the devil will break his legs. That the West will begin to restore the economy of Ukraine after the truce? Of course not. Will it begin to arm, train, and support the army of Ukraine? It is doubtful in the first place it is expensive and why to start a nuclear war? At the beginning of 2014, Ukraine had the potential of the economy, Bandera idiots, Ukrainians rushed to Europe, and what is now a stub of Ukraine. It is no coincidence that talks about a truce began in the West. Putin said "We haven't started anything seriously yet"
  31. guest Offline guest
    guest 16 July 2022 14: 58
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    It seems like they promised 10 hours, no ..?

    Who promised you this? I ask you to name the position of the one who promised in the government of the Russian Federation.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 16 July 2022 15: 53
      +1
      This is it about the "promise" in the publication of S. Marzhetsky.
      Above, I have already given a full quote from it, where I showed that S. Marzhetsky's "promise" was torn out of context and ... distorted!
  32. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 16 July 2022 17: 33
    +3
    I support the author, take up the tug, don’t say that it’s not hefty, if you get into a fight, go to the end, ..... I hope President Putin has the courage and determination, and the liberals need to be driven with a filthy broom
  33. Roust Offline Roust
    Roust (Rouslan) 17 July 2022 01: 10
    +1
    What is panicking? There will be no more ruins! The West is already turning on the back because of the crisis, both economic and political. Mistakes, such as Minsk-1,2, we will no longer allow. We will send the Nazis to Bandera.
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  35. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 19 July 2022 09: 18
    +1
    Destroy Anti-Russia to the end.
  36. vicvic Offline vicvic
    vicvic (VicVic) 19 July 2022 11: 06
    +2
    Quote: aslan642
    And you believe in these data. My family has three people who didn't vote, five brothers and sisters, five wives and husbands, 5 nephews and no one voted. The list goes on.

    And why should I not believe if my family and relatives (although not as suspiciously large as yours), for the most part, regularly go to the polls and, for the most part, support the incumbent president.