Kazakhstan decided to trade with Europe and China bypassing Russia: about the reasons

Kazakhstan decided to trade with Europe and China bypassing Russia: about the reasons

They say a friend in need is a friend. For example, Belarus, together with Russia, found itself under the yoke of Western sanctions and, to the best of its ability, is helping the RF Armed Forces in conducting a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. But our other ally in the CSTO and the Eurasian Union, Kazakhstan, sharply dissociated itself and, forgetting about the militarypolitical support, decided to become a new "multi-vector center" at the junction of West and East, North and South. What will eventually come out of this for the "ungrateful" President Tokayev?


Nothing foretold trouble?



Here it is necessary to recall that it was the former President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, who stood at the origins of the integration processes in the post-Soviet space, being one of the founding fathers of the Customs Union and then the Eurasian Economic Union. However, from a certain moment, Elbasy himself began to play the notorious “multi-vector approach” and pursue a national policy of softly squeezing out ethnic Russians from the territories of Northern Kazakhstan, which not so long ago were part of the Russian Empire in historical terms.

President Nazarbayev was ruined by the issue of "transit of power", which sooner or later all irremovable national leaders have to decide. He himself handed over the post of head of state to his successor, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, placing members of his clan in key positions. It seemed that everything went quite well, however, in the first days of the New Year holidays of 2022, mass protests quite unexpectedly began in Kazakhstan, turning into large-scale riots with numerous casualties. President Tokayev himself asked Moscow for help through the CSTO, and for the first time this organization activated its collective security mechanism. All its members sent their peacekeepers to Kazakhstan, but Russia undoubtedly played the main role in stabilizing the situation in the country. Remember, back then we warnedthat the mistake will be not the entry, but the subsequent withdrawal of Russian troops from Kazakhstan.

And so it happened. The peacekeeping contingent, although not directly involved in the suppression of protests, played the role of the most important political factor. There is not the slightest doubt that against the backdrop of street riots, a real “top coup” took place in the ruling elites of Kazakhstan. All members of the Nazarbayev clan were removed from their posts, Elbasy himself lost his powers and regalia. President Tokayev has turned from a "nominal figure" into a real head of state. And very soon he had the opportunity to prove himself for real.

Even before the start of the special military operation in Ukraine, Tokayev appointed the convinced Russophobe Askar Umarov as the Minister of Information and Social Development, and the ethnic Russian Alexander Danilov, who is the so-called “sorosenko” and actively cooperated with the media, recognized in Russia as a foreign agent, as his deputy. After the start of the NWO, the new president of Kazakhstan has finally “uncovered”.

New "buffer market"



Under Tokayev, Kazakhstan not only did not support the Russian special operation, but also assured that it would steadily implement the Western sanctions regime. Timid hopes that the southern neighbor, located at the crossroads of trade routes and bordering on China, will be able to replace Russia's sanctioned Belarus, quickly melted away. On the contrary, President Tokayev proposed to the countries of the European Union to replace the Russian oil that had fallen from the market:

Kazakhstan could contribute by playing the role of a kind of "buffer market" between East and West, South and North.


And in order to “sprout” from the Russian Federation, which has become “toxic” for it, Kazakhstan begins the process of diversifying its trade routes around our country, de facto declaring an “oil war”. The day before, Tokayev gave his government the following instruction:

The priority direction is the Trans-Caspian route. I instruct KazMunayGas to work out the best option for its implementation, including the possibility of attracting investors from the Tengiz project. The government, together with Samruk-Kazyna, should take measures to increase the capacity of the Atyrau-Kenkiyak and Kenkiyak-Kumkol oil pipelines.

The Tengiz field is located in the Caspian oil and gas province, and its recoverable reserves are estimated at 750 million to 1 billion 125 million tons of oil plus 1,8 trillion cubic meters of associated gas. Initially, the share of Kazakhstan in a joint venture with Western partners to develop this field was 50%, but today it has decreased to 20%. The rest is owned by Chevron Overseas (50%), Exxon Mobil (25%) and LukArco (5%). It is not surprising that under their pressure, official Nur-Sultan decided to increase the volume of oil pumped around Russia.

Kazakh oil is exported to Western markets through the infrastructure of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC). "Black gold" enters the oil pipeline mainly from the fields of Western Kazakhstan and is pumped to the sea terminal near Novorossiysk, where it is loaded onto tankers for shipment by sea. It was President Tokayev who complained about excessive dependence on Russia in this matter:

Kazakhstan has never been a maritime country and therefore has not fully utilized the possibilities of maritime transportation. Now is another time. I set a strategic task for the government - to transform our ports, turning them into one of the leading hubs of the Caspian Sea. Conceptually, I agree that it is necessary to strengthen the marine fleet and create a container hub in the port of Aktau.

The Trans-Caspian International Transport Route (TMTM or Middle Corridor) is an infrastructure project for the delivery of goods from Asia to Europe, bypassing Russia, going from China through Kazakhstan, the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey to the Old World. Delivery is carried out both by rail and by sea. The throughput today is a modest 10 million tons per year, including up to 200 containers. Products of petrochemistry, metallurgy, agriculture, coal, etc. go past our country. Now, at the suggestion of Western and possibly Eastern partners, President Tokayev intends to expand the port infrastructure in order to turn Kazakhstan into a new “buffer market”, through which cargo from Southeast Asia and Kazakhstani oil will go to Europe to replace Russian oil. By the way, tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine run on diesel fuel, produced, among other things, from Kazakh raw materials.

Interestingly, the Kremlin does not see any problems and political underpinnings in what is happening at all. Apparently, everything is kept under control there and everyone has calculated many moves ahead.
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  1. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 9 July 2022 15: 09
    0
    Basmachi created go-in! ! Tatar \ leader - mummy.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 21: 43
      -6
      The Kazakh Khanate was formed in 1564. These templates about the gifts of Lenin, Russia are now in vogue in Russia: ".... they created a state." Insert any republic of the former USSR instead of an ellipsis. Khokhlam created a state, created a state for Belarusians, Lithuanians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis Tales of Lenin's bombing Russia
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 9 July 2022 22: 13
        +4
        The Kazakh Khanate was formed in 1564. These templates about the gifts of Lenin, Russia are now in vogue in Russia:

        Statehood, in fact, was returned to the Kazakhs by Lenin, it is stupid to dispute this ..

        Under Tauke Khan (1680-1715), the Kazakh Khanate was divided into zhuzes, each of which was ruled by its own branch of Janibek Khan's descendants. Since the 1770s, the Kazakh khans became dependent on the Russian Empire.

        In 1847 year Khan's power in the Kazakh zhuzes was abolished, and the territory is included in the Russian Empire as an administrative unit.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 22: 29
          -8
          Since Russia as a state was formed later. In 1582. With such success, we can say that the Bolsheviks created the RSFSR. And it was they who created the industry that is now privatized on the territory of the former USSR
          1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 9 July 2022 23: 01
            +4
            Since Russia as a state was formed later.

            Only you forget that Russia took place and did not fall apart.
            Unlike the Kazakh Khanate.
            By the way, the territories of the jus are greatly exaggerated, by the time they entered the Republic of Ingushetia as an administrative unit, everything was more than sad there.

            With such success, we can say that the Bolsheviks created the RSFSR.

            Do you think otherwise?? belay
            1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 23: 35
              -9
              Or maybe it was the Golden Horde that created the statehood of Muscovy. When did the Russian princes establish themselves in the Horde?
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 13 July 2022 23: 01
                +1
                Or maybe it was the Golden Horde that created the statehood of Muscovy

                Find me the Golden Horde on a modern map and we will discuss on the topic of statehood .. smile
                1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                  Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 27 July 2022 14: 23
                  -1
                  Find Russian principalities on the map
            2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 23: 36
              -6
              The Russian Empire did not collapse? Maybe the Bolsheviks reassembled everything?
      2. Hot Dyusha Offline Hot Dyusha
        Hot Dyusha (Dyusha) 10 July 2022 16: 28
        0
        True, she is not always pleasant. get used to
  2. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 9 July 2022 16: 16
    0
    I think it's about rollbacks. Other people in power, other schemes. The old schemes waved to Uncle.
  3. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 9 July 2022 17: 18
    +3
    I wonder how container ships got to the Caspian?
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 July 2022 19: 00
      0
      How, how - by planes.
  4. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 9 July 2022 17: 20
    -8
    In the Kremlin, it’s not that they don’t see problems and keep everything under control, rather they can’t do anything, and therefore the hockey player can only portray a good face in a bad game, if the Sultan can be thrown suckers, then why should a Kazakh
    you can’t, that’s why they endured
  5. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 9 July 2022 17: 24
    +5
    As far as one can understand from a lengthy publication: in the roundabout actions of the President of Kazakhstan Tokayev: "Nothing personal, just business."
    But the offended Author is trying ... to reason with the Kremlin, offering nothing but a reproach for the withdrawal of troops from Kazakhstan!
    "You won't be forced to be nice!"
  6. Pavel Mokshanov_2 (Pavel Mokshanov) 9 July 2022 17: 31
    +6
    The East is a delicate matter, as the famous hero Sukhov said. I would also add treacherous. To betray the Asians, like two Poles on asphalt. For them, the main thing is to get their own benefit. That's why the Kazakhs put money on us, they terrorize the Russian community. What they built under the advice they have long forgotten. now they blow in the tune of the Yankees. And what a mess, again, we are called. It would be necessary to restrain them so that they do not imagine much about themselves. Otherwise, we will have another problem in the underbelly.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 21: 36
      -12
      Is this how the Russian community of Kazakhstan is being terrorized? Were the Russians relocated to the ghetto and surrounded by barbed wire? Many Russians who moved to Russia are returning.? Have you heard enough of Zhirinovsky? In Almaty, all the bars and restaurants are occupied by tattooed visitors "Russo tourists". Half of the rental housing and hotels are occupied by Russian citizens who decided to sit out the special operation and "liberation" away from home. Ukraine. Who oppresses them here? and housing. Who betrayed whom? The Slavic presidents ruined the union. impose sanctions against Kazakhstan, then the January events will seem like flowers. And no one needs it here. And Russia too
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 9 July 2022 22: 34
        +4
        In Almaty, all the bars and restaurants are occupied by tattooed visitors "Russo tourists". Half of the rental housing and hotels are occupied by Russian citizens who decided to sit out the special operation and "liberation" away from home. Ukraine

        Are you speaking about Russians or talking about Russian speakers??
        When the "Russians" arriving in the KO begin to call their native ditch a ditch, I understand that they are not quite Russians .. winked

        If the West starts imposing sanctions against Kazakhstan, then the January events will seem like flowers. And no one needs it here.

        A good example of how "independent Kazakhstan" differs from Russia.
        In January, the Kazakh authorities lay on the street and Russian intervention saved Tokayev.

        Next time we can and take your time , why??
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 23: 44
          -9
          Yes, no. It is the citizens of the Russian Federation who "come in large numbers" to Kazakhstan. Some leave for Turkey, and some remain here. I have been living in the world for many days. colors of hairstyles for ladies. And the independence of Kazakhstan is no more than that of Russia itself from the whole world. Apart from a couple of car factories, the rest do not work in Russia. Import substitution failed due to the lack of imported spare parts. Your production stops and this is not a secret. it is a fact.
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          2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 13 July 2022 23: 16
            0
            Yes, no. It is the citizens of the Russian Federation who "come in large numbers" to Kazakhstan. Some leave for Turkey, and some remain here. I have been living in the world for many days. ladies hairstyle colors

            Um.
            And good riddance, even though they scratch to Antaktida.
            Your local "Kazakhs" can also bring down, because they went to "Europe", but here (in KO) a bummer and a blockade.

            There is an opinion that by autumn all this foam of the Kazakh canal will be pulled to where it is calmer. smile
            1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 27 July 2022 14: 17
              -1
              Local Kazakhs are fighting in a special operation. Unlike you
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 28 July 2022 20: 28
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                Uh-huh.
                Some Kazakhs are fighting ...
                I did not see any Kazakhs at the military cemetery in Medvedevka.
                Watch the broomstick, Vasya.
                1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                  Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 29 July 2022 11: 23
                  -1
                  Astrakhan, Orenburg, Omsk. There is a video on YouTube.
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            2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 27 July 2022 14: 25
              -1
              You'll have to blame it on a special operation. Isn't it a shame to scratch your tongue on the couch when there's a war?
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      3. goncharov.62 Online goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 10 July 2022 15: 58
        +3
        What does Alma-Ata have to do with it - you go to Ust-Kamenogorsk or talk to the people there. All street names and us. items have been renamed. They themselves hardly understand anyone, but the main thing is that it would not be Russian. You can also for Pavlodar, Semsk and further along the Irtysh. Some territory (probably your homeland) also began - country 404 ...
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        2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 22: 46
          -2
          And what is wrong in Ust Kamenogorsk, Pavlodar, Irtysh? The whole problem is in the names of the streets? As they want, they call it,
    2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 21: 50
      -9
      Explain about the betrayal of Asians? How did they betray you? But Russia never had its own benefit, or is it doing everything at a loss to itself? How should the Asians be reined in?
      to "protect the Russian-speaking population" and declare it an unrecognized republic with the capture of the mayor's office and the change of the flag?
    3. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 22: 33
      -9
      You need to take care, first of all, of your Russian population, its well-being. It is shrinking and dying out. And do not worry about the Russians of Kazakhstan. They do not need to be "liberated" from anyone
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 9 July 2022 22: 50
        +5
        You need to take care, first of all, of your Russian population, its well-being. It is shrinking and dying out. And do not worry about the Russians of Kazakhstan. They do not need to be "liberated" from anyone

        At the next Central Asian massacre, for some reason, the "Russians" yell Russia, save us.

        Vasya, once the state has already taken care of the general well-being of the population. winked
        The population of that state was safely buried.
        No empty slogans needed..
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      2. Adler77 Offline Adler77
        Adler77 (Denis) 10 July 2022 11: 26
        +2
        Are you Kazakh or Mankurt?
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 15: 54
          -3
          Are you a swindler or a traitor?
      3. goncharov.62 Online goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 10 July 2022 16: 05
        +3
        It is not for you to judge from your mosque where and how Russia should start. And for whom to worry - we will also figure it out ourselves. I, personally, am worried that I can’t look into your eyes. Very worried. Yes, and a couple of hundred boys from Ust-Kaman, I'm sure, they can't deny themselves such pleasure ... Something like that. IMHO.
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        3. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 22: 58
          -1
          What don't you like about Kazakhstan? No one keeps you here. Don't you like Tokaev? What are the claims against Tokaev or the Kazakhs? What do you want to present there or who to look into the eyes? Let's look into the eyes. Leave your phone number.
      4. Vladimir T_2 Offline Vladimir T_2
        Vladimir T_2 (Vladimir T) 10 July 2022 17: 28
        +2
        Are you a crest or a Kazakh?
  7. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 9 July 2022 17: 35
    +3
    Valentin Yurievich Katasonov -

    According to last year's data, the Netherlands invested the most in the country's economy - 5,44 (29,0), the USA - 3,17 (16,9), Switzerland - 1,92 (10,2) and China - 1,50 (8,0). Russia follows them with 1,36 (7,3) billion dollars

    This is the reason for the past unrest and bifurcation between the West and the Russian Federation.
  8. patxilek Offline patxilek
    patxilek (patxilek) 9 July 2022 17: 39
    +1
    Let it boil in its own juice.
  9. Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
    Kapany3 9 July 2022 18: 08
    +2
    Quote: rotkiv04
    In the Kremlin, it’s not that they don’t see problems and keep everything under control, rather they can’t do anything, and therefore the hockey player can only portray a good face in a bad game, if the Sultan can be thrown suckers, then why should a Kazakh
    you can’t, that’s why they endured

    Apparently, you also include yourself in the category of suckers? Otherwise you are on the opposite side... Yes.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 9 July 2022 18: 51
      0
      And you carefully read what is written and then you will understand who is who, and do not twist and think for others
  10. Chevrolet Camaro (Nikolay Lukashev) 9 July 2022 18: 22
    +2
    Tokaev is a coward, a vile coward!!!
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 22: 31
      -8
      He cares primarily about Kazakhstan, not Russia
  11. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 July 2022 18: 40
    -3
    Products of petrochemistry, metallurgy, agriculture, coal, etc. go past our country.

    Horror, horrific!!! How to live all this now. It is especially scary to be without Kazakh coal, etc.

    By the way, tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine run on diesel fuel, produced, among other things, from Kazakh raw materials.

    Yes Yes. If there were no Kazakh raw materials, the whole course of the war would have changed.

    And most importantly - where are the usual conclusions that it is necessary to increase and modernize the fleet in the Caspian?
  12. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 July 2022 18: 48
    +1
    Tokayev intends to expand the port infrastructure in order to turn Kazakhstan into a new "buffer market", through which cargo from Southeast Asia and Kazakhstani oil will go to Europe to replace Russian oil.

    Everything! Everything now! If Tokayev decided so, then the whole of Asia will follow the path indicated to it.
    After all, everything has been ready for a long time and they were waiting for Tokayev to make a decision. A new era has arrived.
    A couple of days will pass and the port infrastructure will expand. And a multi-billion dollar flow of goods and millions of tons of oil will flow. Kazakhstan will become the richest country in Asia, displacing Saudi Arabia and Singapore. And then it will launch the production of the most modern chips and Taiwan will go bankrupt.
    Russia will bite its elbows and cry uncontrollably.
  13. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 9 July 2022 18: 55
    0
    Kazakhs are free and no one forbids them the right to dispose of their resources. What's the catch? You gave her freedom and this state disposes of its freedom at its own discretion. If we don't like it, then as the saying goes - sleep, my beauty.
    1. goncharov.62 Online goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 10 July 2022 16: 09
      +2
      In Russian, it sounds a little different -

      Do not spit in the well, water is useful to drink

      And, judging by the tops, the inter-elite squabbles are far from over yet ... Whom will you call for help - the Turks? Oh well...
  14. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 9 July 2022 20: 29
    -1
    The situation has not been developing for the better since the late 80s and to the present in the areas of culture / ideology and economics. In particular:

    24.06.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX: At the V meeting of the Scientific Council of the International Turkic Academy in Nur-Sultan, a final decision was made on the general textbooks of the Turkic world.
    The meeting participants signed a protocol on the inclusion of these benefits in the curriculum of secondary education institutions in their countries.
    In particular, we are talking about the textbooks "General Turkic History", "General Turkic Literature" and "Geography of the Turkic World".
    The meeting also discussed the expansion of student exchange programs between the Turkic states, coordination of cooperation in the field of education and science from a single center, approval of the Academy's activity plan for 2022.
    The International Turkic Academy is a scientific center created to study the Turkic world. The headquarters of the organization is located in the capital of Kazakhstan, Nur-Sultan. The founding countries of the structure are Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey.

    You need to remember the background of recent events (for example, the dialogues at PEMF) and draw conclusions...

    07.07.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, Kommersant.
    Tokayev proposed to arrange oil supplies bypassing Russia
    Against the backdrop of risks of suspension of Kazakh oil pumping by Russian exporters President of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev instructed KazMunayGas to develop sea transportation of goods. According to the head of state, the government should also transform the Kazakh ports and turn them "into one of the leading hubs of the Caspian Sea."
  15. guest Offline guest
    guest 9 July 2022 20: 58
    +4
    Tokaev, of course, is a vile traitor, after Russia saved him, he gladly shoots Russia in the back.
  16. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 21: 25
    -6
    By the way, tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine run on diesel fuel, produced, among other things, from Kazakh raw materials.

    - maybe from Russian raw materials? Who pumps gas through Ukraine?
  17. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 9 July 2022 21: 25
    +1
    Interestingly, the Kremlin does not see any problems and political underpinnings in what is happening at all.

    Did Putin personally tell you this?

    Apparently, everything is kept under control there and everyone has calculated many moves ahead.

    Yes, something like that. It is foolish to take on all the problems at once. Usually 2-3 main ones are solved, the rest usually resolve either on their own or are easily eliminated.
    By the beginning of winter (or maybe earlier, this is how many reserves Putin will connect now), the Ukrainian military epic will end. And they will take, among other things, Tokayev. Yes, he himself will come running, squealing and wagging his tail, he will try to lick the right shoe.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 23: 54
      -8
      The navel will not untie? Only GOD only knows what will happen by the beginning of winter. 28 km in the LNR were covered in four months.
  18. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 July 2022 23: 10
    +1
    Capitalism in the yard.
    If Kazakhstan decided to trade "bypassing Russia", then it is profitable. Tariffs, logistics, etc.
    Who wants to give 2-5-10-30% to "uncle"?

    It already lies on the map between Russia and China, so through Russia with China is obvious nonsense, to unfasten money for nothing because of underdevelopment?

    With Europe, they kind of wrote about shutdowns, sometimes from not passing through the border ... We looked, and decided to develop roads, ports, logistics, and monopolists from Russia naturally do not like this.
    How is it, loads, and past their striped sticks and palms ... (with roads and pipes, I remember, we have historical disagreements ...)
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 9 July 2022 23: 55
      -8
      The author considers this a "betrayal." Putin endured and ordered everyone
    2. Dima Offline Dima
      Dima (Dmitriy) 10 July 2022 00: 18
      +6
      What are the "roads, ports, logistics,"? Kazakhstan has four routes, through Russia, China, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan. Turkmenistan is now like a powder keg, ISIS, Taliban. poverty of the local population. Without allies, the country can be torn to shreds. The Chinese route is a dependence more abruptly than the Russian one. There remains the way through the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan, and this is no less a problem, given the local specifics.
      In fact, Kazakhstan needs to decide whether it is among the smart or beautiful, multi-vectorism will not lead to good in our time.
      1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 00: 34
        -6
        Why is dependence on China so bad? So Russia also depends on China, and what's wrong with that? What's so terrible about transporting oil through Azerbaijan? What is the "local specificity"?
        1. Dima Offline Dima
          Dima (Dmitriy) 10 July 2022 12: 57
          +1
          And how can you deliver to Europe through China? Tokayev has a problem with supplies to the West, since the Chinese are not ready to pay a high price for Kazakh raw materials coming to the depressed regions of western China.
          Regarding Azerbaijan, it will be difficult to redirect the flow there against Russia's desire, Aliyev himself sits on two chairs and tries not to rock the boat. And then, why does he need a competitor in the Turkish market.
          1. Shmurzik Offline Shmurzik
            Shmurzik (Seymslav) 11 July 2022 00: 45
            +1
            Quote: Dima
            Regarding Azerbaijan, it will be difficult to redirect the flow there against Russia's desire, Aliyev himself sits on two chairs and tries not to rock the boat. And then, why does he need a competitor in the Turkish market.

            1. What can Russia oppose "not taking into account its desires" in the Caspian?

            2. Aliyev can sit on three chairs, but he sits firmly, and yes, he doesn’t throw out rash steps - he leads a clear predictable policy.

            3. Azerbaijan has no competitors on the Turkish market - all volumes, both gas and oil, are contracted. And in general, what kind of competition can we talk about today with the growing shortage of energy resources. But the dough and buns of various political ones will definitely be cut down from this transportation!
            1. Dima Offline Dima
              Dima (Dmitriy) 27 July 2022 22: 17
              0
              Didn't see the comment right away.
              1. Regarding Azerbaijan. There are at least three components.
              - Aliyev is a neutral player and is forced to take into account the possibilities of a "color" revolution. It is stupid for him to quarrel with the Russian Federation, having a common border.
              - Do not forget that the only connection between the Caspian and the oceans is the Volga. Without the consent of the Russian Federation, it will be necessary to build the entire marine component from 0. This is a stacker, supply vessels, etc. In addition, the Russian Federation and Iran can, if they wish, complicate the laying of the pipe by force. The Caspian is an indoor pool and it has a special status.
              - And the experience of Georgia and Ukraine has shown that the countries of the region that have chosen one of the sides of the confrontation lose many times more than the neutral ones. Russia, if desired, will be able to put pressure on Baku's sore corns, on the diaspora, on the Karabakh problem. The Ukrainian and Georgian "case" demonstrates that, if necessary, the Russian Federation will achieve its goal by force.

              And most importantly, this is not an Azerbaijani pipe, Aliyev does not particularly need it, the transit revenues are not worth the risk of conflict because of it.
              It is not for nothing that for so long, in more comfortable conditions, it was not possible to build pipelines from Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan by sea.
  19. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 10 July 2022 05: 02
    +3
    Quote: Spiritual
    The Kazakh Khanate was formed in 1564. These templates about the gifts of Lenin, Russia are now in vogue in Russia: ".... they created a state." Instead of an ellipsis, insert any republic of the former USSR. Khokhlama created a state, created a state for Belarusians, Lithuanians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis .Tales about the Leninist bomb under Russia. All these tales are designed for young people to distract from the failed policies of Eltsin and Putin over the past 30 years

    After secession from the USSR, the republics began to quickly invent a history of independence and shoot a circus with horses and chocks about this movie. And the ancient Ukrainians even dug out the sea. The Kazakhs turned out to be the descendants of Genghis Khan, with whom they conquered half the world. Then, by the way, they drank all the good they won in a tavern or dropped it in a toilet - this story has not yet been invented.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 13: 38
      -4
      The Kazakhs are the descendants of the Horde. Because as soon as the Kazakhs had khans. And the son of Genghis Khan, Jochi Khan, was buried near the city of Zhezkazgan. it's you about yourself. I drank the country, and now you are looking for extreme
  20. Georgy Klochkov Offline Georgy Klochkov
    Georgy Klochkov (Georgy Klochkov) 10 July 2022 09: 54
    +2
    Russia has not yet imposed sanctions against countries that cooperate with its enemies, and Kazakhstan may be the first. In the Caspian Sea, Russia needs to create a powerful fleet and bring to life the members of the CSTO who have defected to the side of the enemy.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 13: 39
      -3
      You still have to liberate Alaska The fleet will be wooden with DShK machine guns
      1. goncharov.62 Online goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 10 July 2022 16: 17
        0
        Yes, it looks like Kazakhstan will be the first in line. First of Pshekia. And this is not a small merit of such two-axis Vasya ... For you can’t keep an Asian with a knife behind your back. Even more so - such an underdeveloped mind, but full of hope and enthusiasm from the "relatives" of Genghis in the male line. He's laughing, right? Did you study at the Mohyla Academy? The logic and arguments are similar... The end is also clearly visible.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 22: 39
          +2
          A master to scribble on the clave, but you won’t drag people like you into a special operation with a lasso
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  21. goncharov.62 Online goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 10 July 2022 15: 52
    +3
    It seems that there, at the top, they are completely out of control of the situation. And there are no methods against Kostya Saprykin. Before they kissed and scared everyone to laughter with concerns ... Peacebearers ...
  22. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 10 July 2022 17: 08
    0
    Quote: boriz

    Apparently, everything is kept under control there and everyone has calculated many moves ahead.

    Yes, something like that. It is foolish to take on all the problems at once. Usually 2-3 main ones are solved, the rest usually resolve either on their own or are easily eliminated.
    By the beginning of winter (or maybe earlier, this is how many reserves Putin will connect now), the Ukrainian military epic will end. And they will take, among other things, Tokayev. Yes, he himself will come running, squealing and wagging his tail, he will try to lick the right shoe.

    You should not be so self-confident in making NWO forecasts without knowing the situation and analysis skills.
    As for Kazakhstan, there are not groundless doubts about the possibility of drastic steps on our part due to the negative reaction of the PRC!
  23. Vladimir T_2 Offline Vladimir T_2
    Vladimir T_2 (Vladimir T) 10 July 2022 17: 46
    +2
    It seems that Tokayev used the CSTO and Russia in particular to remove the Elbasy clan. Having seized power, he begins his game, perhaps through a sorosenka or someone who keeps in touch with the West, which is hostile to us. Another ass trying to sit on two or three chairs? Or maybe there is something we don't know. Although, I wouldn't trust it either. All these unions ... If our troops are not standing there, there is no faith, they passed
  24. zavhoz_rus Offline zavhoz_rus
    zavhoz_rus (Alexey) 10 July 2022 21: 28
    -1
    Another decided to sit on 2 chairs, Russia brought them civilization in their dense Middle Ages in the 20th century, pulled them into people, built cities, factories, schools, hospitals for them, and instead of thanking them, they spit into the well from which they drank well, well, well, well.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 10 July 2022 22: 40
      0
      When did you build what and where?
  25. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 11 July 2022 01: 20
    +1
    Unfortunately for Kazakhstan, the Kazakh elite (government) is not ready to risk their offshore companies and real estate abroad, otherwise they would have nationalized oil and gas and pumped not 20% of profits, but 100%
  26. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
    NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 11 July 2022 03: 45
    0
    And what is wrong? Why does everything have to go through Russia? Why a retort:

    The throughput today is a modest 10 million tons per year, including up to 200 containers. Products of petrochemistry, metallurgy, agriculture, coal, etc. go past our country.

    Why does all this have to pass through Russia? For what purposes? To settle in Russia? Or to pass through Russia (bashing Russia for this) but to the final foreign consumer in the end, but why? What's the difference through Russia all this will pass or other countries? Is there a difference? Is there anything for the author of the post to complain about?
  27. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 11 July 2022 11: 40
    +1
    only once confirms that our policy there is completely failed. What was under the former president, who became a bai. With this, the toady of the USA AND London.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 11 July 2022 14: 59
      0
      Muslim brothers will come, dress the women in a veil, and then the Kazakhs will remember Russia.
  28. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 13 July 2022 18: 43
    0
    Not understood! Is Russia a transit point, except for gas and oil? So it was not necessary to destroy the USSR. It's good that a memorial house was arranged for Yeltsin's razvalchik. Now it remains to take it out of the coffin and carry it around the country and kiss it in the place that was the most fleshy.
  29. atmospheric internet (Atmospheric Internet) 24 July 2022 16: 20
    0
    This is politics. How relationships are made is how they are maintained.
  30. Benjamin Offline Benjamin
    Benjamin (Benjamin) 15 August 2022 16: 13
    0
    Well done, cares about the economic situation of the country, friendship with 99 percent of the world economy is more important than with a country with an authoritarian regime