To return Ukraine, Russia will have to create a real Union State


The special military operation in Ukraine has been going on for the fifth month. Things are getting worse and worse for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and after the fall of the front in the Donbass, all directions will be open to the RF Armed Forces for further offensive without the risk of leaving behind a powerful enemy offensive grouping. In this regard, the periodically sounding statements by representatives of the Russian "elites" that the special operation can be stopped at any moment are very annoying if Kyiv meets Moscow halfway.


Everything can end...


In order not to be unfounded, here is a quote from one of the main “peacekeepers of all Russia”, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov:

The Ukrainian side can stop everything before the end of the current day, an order is needed for the nationalist units to lay down their arms, an order for the Ukrainian military to lay down their arms, and the conditions of the Russian Federation must be met. And it could all be over by the end of the day.

It must be understood that during these days the Russian army will not reach Kharkov, or Nikolaev, or Odessa with Pridnestrovie, or the Polish border, which means that the demarcation line, as of the cessation of hostilities, will turn into a new state border between Russia and Ukraine. We have repeatedly argued about what an unforgivable and criminal mistake this would be: the Russian residents of historical Novorossia, who were not lucky enough to be taken into the Russian Federation along with the Donbass and the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, will be betrayed a second time, and all Ukraine remaining on the other side of the cordon will turn into "Super-Anti-Russia", which will immediately begin to prepare for military revenge with the help of the collective West.

Some details of a possible "peace settlement" plan, which are sometimes seep to the press, allow us to conclude that our "strategists" do not understand very well what they should do with Ukraine after its liberation. If this is indeed the case, then let us make a number of constructive proposals, in case it will come in handy for someone.

Problems of state building


The problem of the post-war reconstruction of Ukraine, unfortunately, does not have a simple, frontal solution. On the one hand, Nezalezhnaya is very clearly divided into two parts: Russian Ukraine (Southeast, or historical Novorossiya) and Ukrainian Ukraine (Central and Western). On the other hand, Ukrainian Ukraine itself is very much internally differentiated. For example, in Galicia they generally consider themselves a separate people, above all others, and, say, the Rusyns are traditionally pro-Russian. Everything is very difficult.

Just like that, to take and annex all of Ukraine entirely to the Russian Federation, after depriving it of its statehood, it may seem to someone the simplest and most correct solution, but this is not so. In the case of historical Novorossiya, this will indeed work. The example of the Azov region shows how quickly the local population can rebuild. The need for the reunification of the South-East with Russia does not raise the slightest doubt.

But if we take away Central and even more so Western Ukraine, then we will get a huge number of problems with a multi-million disloyal population, which will find it difficult to recognize and accept that their country no longer exists. There will be especially many problems with young people who were born after the collapse of the USSR and grew up in an atmosphere of hatred for Russia, artificially cultivated after 2014. But there is no way to leave Central and Western Ukraine to the enemy, since they will be used by the NATO bloc as a springboard for military revenge against our country. Then what to do?

In a number of articles, we consistently try to point out the need to use a differentiated approach to solving the problem of post-war Ukraine. If Russia can “digest” Novorossia quite comfortably and quickly, then this number will not work so easily with Ukrainian Ukraine. Other integration instruments are needed here, and the Union State of Russia and Belarus can and should be used as such.

The agreement on the creation of the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus was signed back in 1999. Unfortunately, for many years this supranational association was a kind of fiction, which was successfully used by Minsk to obtain economic preferences from Moscow. Everything began to change after the events in Ukraine in 2014, and also as 2024 approaches, when the problem of “transit of power” in Russia should be solved. From words in the Kremlin, they finally turned to deeds, and the process of real integration of the two friendly Slavic states nevertheless began. In the fall of 2021, 28 programs of in-depth economic cooperation were signed at once.

The thing is that the real integration of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus into a single state is now uncontested. After the brutal suppression of the Belomaidan attempt, President Lukashenko became persona non grata in the West, and all his usual games with the “multi-vector approach” ended. After Belarus was involved in a special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, having provided its territory for the deployment of Russian troops and missile attacks on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is no way back for Minsk. In the context of economic sanctions and the escalating global crisis, there is no alternative to the integration of our countries. What is this very Union State?

One of the most controversial points is the question of the form of its state structure, whether it is a federation or a confederation. In accordance with the agreement on its creation, the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus contains signs of both forms. It has in common with the federation that it has a common territory consisting of the territories of our countries, unified legislation, a single customs and economic space, two languages ​​- Russian and Belarusian - as state languages, as well as a common currency, coat of arms, flag and anthem. True, far from all of this, unfortunately, has been implemented to this day, for example, in terms of symbolism. However, Article 6 of the treaty states that each of the two states retains its sovereignty, integrity, Constitution, membership in the UN and other attributes of statehood that are more appropriate for a confederation.

Organizationally, the Union State should have a common parliament consisting of two chambers. The upper chamber of the Union will include 36 deputies from each country, the lower chamber of representatives - 75 deputies from Russia and 28 deputies from Belarus. The executive power should be represented by the Council of Ministers - the general government. The supreme power in the Union State will belong to a collegiate body, the Supreme State Council, which will include the heads of states, governments and parliaments of both uniting countries. Also, the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus will have a common court, the Accounts Chamber and the Standing Committee. All these supranational bodies exist, but operate on a non-permanent basis. Really functioning state structures include the Regional Grouping of Forces of Belarus and Russia, created on the basis of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus and part of the troops of our Western Military District.

So what do we see? There is already a supranational integration mechanism within which Ukraine can be taken away from the West and competently drawn into the Russian sphere of influence.

In particular, South-Eastern Ukraine should be annexed to Russia in the format of a new federal district, but Central and, possibly, Western Ukraine should be included in the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. Ukrainian Ukraine, which was not included in Russia, must be transformed from a unitary to a federal one, giving the Galicians, Hungarians, Romanians and Rusyns the rights of broad national-cultural autonomies. Russian and Ukrainian should receive the status of state languages, Romanian, Hungarian and Polish - regional. The education system, based on Russophobia and stupid historical myths, will have to be radically reformed. The denazification of the cultural life of post-war Ukrainian society should be overseen by a special Permanent Council. The passport of the Union State for residents of all three countries should become common. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard should be dissolved, instead creating the Self-Defense Forces from combat veterans who fought on the side of Russia and the People's Militia of the LDNR, including them in the Regional Grouping of Forces of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, which is the prototype of the Unified Armed Forces of the Union State. The former Independent will receive representation in Parliament, the Council of Ministers and the Supreme State Council of the SG. Lustration must protect post-war Ukraine from the fact that activists of the former, Nazi regime crawled into power. The deployment of military bases of the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of the former Independent network of military bases of the Russian Armed Forces will be a guarantee of preventing a recurrence of the Maidan.

All this is quite realistic, and for the reintegration of post-war Ukraine, it is already necessary to create appropriate administrative and law enforcement structures, which we will discuss in detail. told previously. The need for further development of the Union State does not raise the slightest doubt, and Ukraine should become part of it, completing the unification of the three fraternal Slavic countries.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 11: 50
    +2
    Some of the details of a possible "peace settlement" plan, which are sometimes leaked to the press, allow us to conclude that our "strategists" do not understand very well what they should do with Ukraine after its liberation.

    The author believes that some "strategists" will decide the fate of b. Ukraine?
    Not at all. One chief strategist who understands what needs to be done is enough.
    To frighten the opinions of "strategists" who will not make decisions (and it's not a fact that these are really their opinions) is a completely unnecessary thing.
    If this is a way to start another discussion about the future of the territory b. Ukraine? Then some new data and/or ideas are needed. There is no point in chewing old grass.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 11: 58
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      If this is a way to start another discussion about the future of the territory b. Ukraine? Then some new data and/or ideas are needed. There is no point in chewing old grass.

      It's not for you to decide

      Not at all. One chief strategist who understands what needs to be done is enough.
      To frighten the opinions of "strategists" who will not make decisions (and it's not a fact that these are really their opinions) is a completely unnecessary thing.

      This strategist has already made plans before a full-scale war. It's time for him to change advisers.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 12: 14
        +1
        This strategist has already made plans before a full-scale war. It's time for him to change advisers.

        It's not up to you to decide.
        1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
          Vox Populi (vox populi) 29 June 2022 14: 12
          +3
          Don't you think it's a bit strange and wrong that we don't really decide anything?! winked
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 16: 05
          -2
          Why? I will go and vote in 2024.
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 11: 54
    +4
    which means that the line of demarcation as of the cessation of hostilities will turn into a new state border between Russia and Ukraine.

    Well, with what fright? Borders are determined by negotiations. If the condition of the Russian Federation is the surrender of the Kyiv regime, then border negotiations are not needed. As Russia decides, so be it. Why so much panic in my head?
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 12: 01
    -2
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Well, with what fright? Borders are determined by negotiations. If the condition of the Russian Federation is the surrender of the Kyiv regime, then border negotiations are not needed.

    What are you talking about? And in our country Ukraine is already a sovereign state?
    Or is someone else doing it for her? And with this "other" our "elites" really want to agree on peace, friendship and chewing gum, "expert"?

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  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 12: 04
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    But if we take away Central and, even more so, Western Ukraine, then we will get a huge number of problems with a multi-million disloyal population, which will find it difficult to recognize and accept that their country no longer exists.

    There is a historical example that all these problems can be solved. GDR.
    Moreover, the Germans are not residents of the b. Ukraine. Much more difficult stuff. And they became the most reliable ally of the USSR.
    Another example - closer in time - Chechnya. Same story.
    Yes, and many other connections in order to establish relations with the inhabitants of b. Ukraine.
    As for western Ukraine... My mother used to say many years ago that "Westerners are greedy and harmful." You can hit the greedy with a ruble, but for the harmful we have sunny Yakutia.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 12: 08
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      Moreover, the Germans are not residents of the b. Ukraine. Much more difficult stuff. And they became the most reliable ally of the USSR.

      Yeah. Tell that to Chancellor Scholz and modern Germans who now hate Russians.

      Another example - closer in time - Chechnya. Same story.

      Exactly. The same story. It just doesn't teach some people.

      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 12: 53
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Exactly. The same story. It just doesn't teach some people.

        I hope you can say this to Ramzan Akhmatovich's face?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 16: 03
          -3
          And what does Ramzan Akhmatovich have to do with it, I didn’t quite understand, to be honest?
          PS
          Damn, you will laugh, but I read it not as Chechnya, but as the Czech Republic. laughing
          Vision minus large with astigmatism. Ramzan, I'm sorry. smile
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 16: 12
            -3
            In this case, if possible, please delete my post. :)
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 12: 11
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    Other integration instruments are needed here, and the Union State of Russia and Belarus can and should be used as such.

    Yeah. An excellent tool - for more than 20 years of official history, mostly just talk.
    Belarus even simply as a friendly state did not show itself in any way. And the Union is generally still a matter of the future. Maybe.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 12: 46
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      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Belarus, even just as a friendly state, did not show itself in any way

      But this is you in vain. The last example is a massive raid by Russian aviation the other day. The strategic bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces bombed and rocketed across Ukraine from the airspace of Belarus, without even entering the remnants of the Ukrainian air defense coverage area and absolutely not endangering themselves. Do you have more examples?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 12: 53
        +2
        Israel is constantly launching rockets from Lebanese airspace. Is Lebanon a friendly, brotherly country to Israel?
        Fraternal Belarus is the dream of Russian inhabitants.
        Old Man has been parasitizing on Russia for more than 20 years. In total, his concessions are only forced measures or bought by our resources. He is simply not an enemy of Russia. Only and everything. Neutral. And until recently sucked two queens.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 12: 57
          -2
          Ek you sausage! Did Marzhetsky tell you all this? Or read on the fence?
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 13: 20
            +1
            There are no arguments - you start to switch to my personality and discuss my sources of information. This adds no arguments. Tell us - maybe Belarus recognized the Crimea? Or Donbass? Ash!?
            1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
              k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 13: 43
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              Is this the main thing for you? And for me, a Russian citizen living in Belarus, it is much more important that I have almost absolutely equal rights with the citizens of this country, including, by the way, the right to vote (can Russia boast of this?). More important to me:
              - that Belarus sells to Russia only food almost 10 yards of greenery,
              - that Belarus is included in the club of selected states admitted to food trade in the territory of the PRC,
              - that MAZ buses go in crowds around the cities of Russia, a queue of Russian customers lined up behind the Borisov Stadlers for 10 years in advance, and you buy Mogilev elevators by the thousands,
              - that a Belarusian doctor is afraid to take a chocolate bar from a patient, because it is considered a bribe,
              - that in Belarus there is no scourge of modern Russia - collection agencies (simply, legal offices specializing in racketeering),
              - that from Smolensk people still go to Vitebsk for inexpensive high-quality knitwear and high-quality food,
              - that I do not notice the border between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus at all when crossing it.
              And many other things are more important to me than the recognition of Crimea (by the way, I myself am a Crimean)
              And here https://topcor.ru/25978-kogda-i-zachem-belorussija-prisoedinitsja-k-specoperacii-po-osvobozhdeniju-ukrainy.html#comment-id-251624 I mentioned only a small part of what Belarus has done for Russia in NVO. And in general, you are offended by Marzhetsky in vain - upon closer examination, you cannot find even a couple of differences between you.
              ZY

              Israel constantly launches rockets from Lebanese airspace

              Not from, but through. As they say in Odessa, these are two big differences. Also, Russia used Iranian airspace for the transit flight of "Caliber" in the direction of Syria. But Iran is also not an ally of Russia.
              BYE
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 13: 58
                +2
                Is this the main thing for you? And for me, a Russian citizen living in Belarus, it is much more important that I have almost absolutely equal rights with the citizens of this country, including, by the way, the right to vote (can Russia boast of this?). More important to me:

                Did I write that Belarus is a bad country or something worse than Russia?
                No, I wrote this. Why are you describing the advantages of Belarus to me?
                And Switzerland is a good country. And even Spain and Italy. But this does not make them allies or brotherly countries with Russia.

                Not from, but through.

                Many times I read what exactly from. However, you know better from Belarus.

                And in general, you are offended by Marzhetsky in vain - upon closer examination, you cannot find even a couple of differences between you.

                Am I offended by Marzhetsky? For what? I don't care, just curious.
                1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                  k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 14: 19
                  -3
                  Rollback counted :)
                  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 14: 48
                    +1
                    Rollback is a little different. If you use slang - then "Drain counted."
                    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                      k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 15: 20
                      -1
                      And here you are absolutely right. Thanks for the tip. I just rarely use slang and could not quickly find the right term.
                      And in general, we should reduce the intensity of passions somewhat, if, of course, Mr. Marzhetsky allows :)
                      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 16: 07
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                        And in general, we should reduce the intensity of passions somewhat, if, of course, Mr. Marzhetsky allows :)

                        In general, I am for a calm discussion. The topic of the article is serious, just someone stubbornly turns it into a farce.
                      2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                        k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 16: 16
                        -1
                        This is because in our mass we are Russian https://pikabu.ru/story/anekdotborodach_2207649 :)
            2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 16: 01
              -3
              And in general, you are offended by Marzhetsky in vain - upon closer examination, you cannot find even a couple of differences between you.

              The "expert" simply has too many ambitions and does not understand that I am writing exactly the same thing, but at a higher level.
              And so we have nothing in common.
            3. 1_2 Offline 1_2
              1_2 (Ducks are flying) 29 June 2022 18: 45
              -1
              Crimean? are you one of those who fled from the Crimea in 14 from the "Russian world (spring)"? this world and Luka hates, his words - "The Russian world is stupidity", there is a video where he squeezed this pearl out of himself. in general, he said a lot of things, for example - "the wars were not ours", we are talking about the Second World War, that is, he would have surrendered in 41 if he had been a prince on Russian soil then, as he is now.
              he would have surrendered to the West long ago, but only they apparently have an allergy to such types of hypocrites and the installation is to parasitize on the Russian Federation for as long as possible, if we beat you Luka from the clutches of the Russian Federation)). it’s not for nothing that he keeps the pro-Western cockerel Makei with him))
              Luke's "ally" still does not allow the deployment of a Russian base, which means that he is more afraid of the Russian Federation than NATO, since he received money from NATO back in 95 for the S300 sold, without the permission of the Kremlin, of course. Luka was the first in the CIS to introduce the Latin alphabet and forbade writing in Russian the names of streets, metro stations, road signs, etc. from a Pole Russophobe Kosciuszko made ... a hero of the Republic of Belarus)) the streets of the metro station and monuments are named after him.
              the principality of Luka - the Republic of Belarus is one of the five countries in the world in terms of the number of sanctions against the Russian Federation, but at the same time received more than 130 billion dollars in subsidies from the Russian Federation, arguing that it does not receive anything from the Russian Federation, but what they give, it is given not to him but to the people of Belarus)) however, he built 18 residences for his beloved with these grandmothers, built embassies of the Republic of Belarus in some countries, larger in area than the embassies of the Russian Federation, type "embassy of the Republic of Belarus in Kazakhstan" - you can’t distinguish it from a huge shopping center, he knows how to cut the money of the Russian Federation. and the budget is patched with loans, the debt of the Republic of Belarus is more than 42 billion

              and what is more important:
              - that Belarus sells to Russia only food products of almost 10 yards of greenery, as well as elevators, maz, mtz, etc. "- well, Luka should thank Putin for this, because, to the detriment of Russian producers, he allows Luka to dump, selling products without VAT (as for export), and Russian producers in their market naturally pay all taxes, nevertheless
              the quality of the goods of the Republic of Belarus has not been so hot for a long time, they also use palm oil, antibiotics and other rubbish, the Russians have long understood this.
              moreover, Luka sold exclusively Russian oil to the West (he received and resold a 30% discount), oil products, potassium and .. that's it. The West does not want to buy anything but raw materials, even from its puppets. so if the Russian Federation closes its market for industrial goods of the Republic of Belarus, all factories will stop in one day and Luka's "economic miracle" will evaporate, but the debt of 42 billion will only grow

              1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
                k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 20: 10
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                1. I left Crimea back in 1979, when I entered a military school. And don't blame me for that.
                2. Regarding the rest of your verbal diarrhea, there is a good saying - "Crap (more precisely, the rules of decency and the forum do not allow) are much easier to carry than a log"
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      2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 30 June 2022 16: 30
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        So Russia does not need allies, only the army and navy, "brought to the handle"
      3. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 6 July 2022 14: 29
        +1
        Expert_Analyst_Forecaster. At the beginning of the war, Stalin already knew what the Union would do after the war. During the war, he negotiated with colleagues at work which countries would withdraw in defense of the USSR. Stalin knew that nothing would end with this war. The trouble was even that Stalin foresaw what would happen to the party and urged the people to learn how to run the country. After having such a powerful defense left by the leader, everyone began to spit on the USSR, they began to think about banks, bottles of torn galoshes. If they thought with their heads, not their butts, if they didn’t build mausoleums for the destroyers of the country, I know this figure, when he worked at the plant, he was the secretary of the Uralmash party organization, that was a miracle of hell, then this war would not have happened. As Khoja Nasretdin said, anyone can climb a tree, but even a wise guy cannot find a way to get down from it. It was like that with Hodja. One man climbed a tree, but he could not go down, he was afraid. Then Khoja came up and said - throw him a rope, they threw it. Now he commands the boob on the tree, tie it around the stomach, tied it up. Now Hodge is in command, we all pull the rope together, pulled it. They plucked it from the tree and it crashed. Khoja, it's strange, I saw that in this way a man was pulled out of the well. So they are tied tightly, it remains to pull the rope and be saved.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 12: 27
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    The need for further development of the Union State does not raise the slightest doubt, and Ukraine should become part of it, completing the unification of the three fraternal Slavic countries.

    No, we don't need b. Ukraine, as a state or as part of our country. Donbass and some other regions may enter the Russian Federation. And in the Galicia and other parts of the b. Ukraine needs to create several territories tightly controlled by Russia. Fuck them the same rights as the Russians. Yeah, they will participate in the elections!
    Let the tax be paid for the restoration of Donbass. Someone more, someone less.

    But in five or ten years of a tough purge, it will be possible to talk about the Union.
    But not now, right after the war.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 29 June 2022 13: 00
      -3
      Nope. Five to ten years is too short a time - after the Second World War, how much time has passed, and the collapse of the USSR started by our elite and carried out with the direct action of Ukrainian party members is still hiccuping. 150 years and not a year less.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 15: 59
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      No, we don't need b. Ukraine, as a state or as part of our country. Donbass and some other regions may enter the Russian Federation. And in the Galicia and other parts of the b. Ukraine needs to create several territories tightly controlled by Russia. Fuck them the same rights as the Russians. Yes, they will participate in the elections!

      Infringement of people in their civil rights on ethnic grounds? Why are you fundamentally better than the Ukrainian Nazis?
      And still sneaking bully Oh no no no.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 June 2022 03: 32
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        And bully is also sneaking Ay-yai-yai.

        To whom am I stalking?

        Infringement of people in their civil rights on ethnic grounds?

        I am against residents b. Ukraine voted in the elections in Russia, against the fact that they have the same rights as the Russians. And what about infringement of rights? Let them become citizens of their new states and have their rights there. And residents of Donbass and other regions (very selectively), who will become part of Russia, will have the rights of a Russian citizen.

        I am categorically against trade in Russian citizenship. Especially for "bribery" of the population hostile to us.
        The right to Russian citizenship must be earned.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 30 June 2022 08: 17
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          I am categorically against trade in Russian citizenship

          Regardless of your desire, all states trade their citizenship
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 June 2022 08: 53
            +1
            Regardless of all states, I am against trade in Russian citizenship.
            And not abstract trade, but precisely for the purpose of bribing a population hostile to us.

            Perhaps you can give examples when a hostile population was bribed with citizenship?
    3. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 29 June 2022 17: 04
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      I agree with many of your previous posts, but in this one:

      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      or as part of our country. Donbass and some other regions may enter the Russian Federation. And in the Galicia and other parts of the b. Ukraine needs to create several territories tightly controlled by Russia

      and territories of what??? how to call it e = if it is not the Russian Federation and not Uaraina. and after all, the remnants of the population in these territories will identify themselves with Ukraine=Raina and engage in subversive activities. so I'm here with your thesis until I figured it out to the end
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 June 2022 03: 40
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        Areas b. Ukraine, friendly to Russia and wishing to become part of Russia, can and must become part of Russia.
        Other areas b. Ukraine should be divided into several parts - at least three. Create pseudo-states in these territories under the control of Russia. Control is needed to carry out denazification and exclude hostile actions against Russia. After some time, these new states will become independent and decide where to go next.
        No need to reinvent the wheel. The GDR and the FRG have gone this way.

        the remnants of the population in these territories will identify themselves with Ukraine = Ukraine and engage in subversive activities

        For those who will engage in subversive activities, there is sunny Yakutia in Russia.
        The majority, let them identify themselves even with the Roman Empire. Gradually, this nonsense will disappear from the heads.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 30 June 2022 08: 19
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          there is sunny Yakutia in Russia

          And what did Sakha-Yakutia personally do wrong to you?
        2. GIS Offline GIS
          GIS (Ildus) 30 June 2022 08: 29
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          so subversive and will engage the entire population of this outskirts. nope, I understand you, but I do not agree with you
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 June 2022 15: 16
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            Yes, you are a pessimist, my friend laughing
        3. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
          Vox Populi (vox populi) 30 June 2022 14: 20
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          "Expert_Analyst_Forecaster"! It seems that you are more of a singer of imperialism, or am I mistaken?! winked
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 June 2022 15: 04
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            Does one interfere with the other?
            1. runway-1 Offline runway-1
              runway-1 (V.P.) 1 July 2022 20: 59
              +1
              Let me intervene: strange, because imperialism and justice are two things that are incompatible. Kind of an oxymoron...
  • k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 12: 38
    +1
    To return Ukraine, Russia will have to create a real Union State

    A categorically wrong question. Not Russia will have to create, but all members of the Union State (acting and potential) must create one.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 29 June 2022 13: 01
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      And that's true too! And then they decided to blame everything on the Russian Federation, and then again a little something - it's the Russians' fault!
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  • Eugene Zaboy Offline Eugene Zaboy
    Eugene Zaboy (Eugene Zaboy) 29 June 2022 12: 41
    +2
    There was already a union state and it did not lead to anything good. In the case of Ukraine, only the option of joining the territories of regional division without superstructures, as in Russia, will work, especially since there are no differences between Ukrainians and Russians. Other options lead to sepatism and will appear again, if not Ukrainians, then Little Russians, or someone else, whatever you call them. There are no differences (except for dialects of the language) between western, central, eastern Ukrainians and Russians, only myths about it live. The country will disappear and only memories of unsuccessful experiments will remain. Of course, there will be difficulties with integration (years, perhaps decades), but it is better to overcome the difficulties than to fight the waves of separatism caused by delusional ideas of exclusivity built on the names of territorial entities and fooling around with local elites.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 29 June 2022 12: 56
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      Agree completely. Stop stepping on the same rake.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 15: 58
      +1
      There are no differences (except for dialects of the language) between western, central, eastern Ukrainians and Russians, only myths about it live.

      Yes really? My opinion is different.
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 18: 25
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        As a person who, by virtue of his first profession, managed to live in all regions of Ukraine, I categorically disagree with you.
      2. Eugene Zaboy Offline Eugene Zaboy
        Eugene Zaboy (Eugene Zaboy) 30 June 2022 01: 10
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        Apart from the opinion
        Do you have any other thoughts on this topic? Opinion would not hurt to substantiate.
    3. Pat Rick Offline Pat Rick
      Pat Rick 29 June 2022 17: 27
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      especially since there are no differences between Ukrainians and Russians.

      Mustache. Call the profile doctor.
      1. Eugene Zaboy Offline Eugene Zaboy
        Eugene Zaboy (Eugene Zaboy) 30 June 2022 01: 14
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        It is the doctor who will not find any differences between Russian and Ukrainian.
    4. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 30 June 2022 08: 42
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      Right. I support.
  • Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 29 June 2022 13: 42
    -1
    Russia should not give up its historical name in some truncated form for the sake of the unification and restoration of the USSR. Only Russia and no "unions"
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 13: 52
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      Does anyone offer it? The concept of the Union State implies the preservation of the historical names of its participants.
      1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
        Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 29 June 2022 13: 58
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        Will the "union" have its own government, its own president, its own capital?
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 14: 24
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          Does the European Union have all this, about the collapse of which you have been slandering for more than a dozen years? There will be coordinating bodies. Of course, in no case can one use the EU model 100%, but it is worth learning from them. No need to reinvent the wheel from scratch.
          1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
            Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 29 June 2022 15: 31
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            Well, there are already “coordinating bodies”. This is the EurAsEC, the CIS. Why reinvent the wheel? It remains to shove Ukraine there)
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 15: 57
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              Well, there are already “coordinating bodies”. This is the EurAsEC, the CIS. Why reinvent the wheel? It remains to shove Ukraine there)

              No, this is all purely a symbolic level of integration. The Union State is just what the doctor ordered.
              1. Eugene Zaboy Offline Eugene Zaboy
                Eugene Zaboy (Eugene Zaboy) 30 June 2022 01: 29
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                They don’t create union states between relatives, not the case. Ukrainians will again begin to be offended that they are not Russia, but something else underestimated, and separatism will begin again. Who needs it?
            2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
              k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 16: 03
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              1. The EurAsEC is a kind of European Coal and Steel Community, from which, in strict accordance with the position of Marxism on the basis (economics) and superstructure (politics), in principle, the modern EU has grown. So you are not far from the truth. To use the old adage, the "tail" (politics) cannot wag the "dog" (economics). And the way the "tail wags the dog" in the life of the modern West is a rather temporary phenomenon, not every "tail" has enough strength for this for a long time, and the "dog" will not want to engage in masochism for a long time. And, most likely, the EurAsEC will be a kind of economic basis for the political superstructure in the form of the Union State.
              2. CIS - initially stillborn education. And it is customary to talk about the dead either well or nothing. In our case, it is better to mournfully be silent.
              3. And there is no need to push anyone anywhere. You won't be forced to be nice. As a last resort, it is necessary to make an offer that cannot be refused. The above-mentioned Chechen Republic is proof of this.
  • Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 29 June 2022 15: 10
    +2
    The fact that all of Ukraine needs to be denazified is absolutely clear. And the fact that zapukria cannot be left to the Poles is also obvious. Tov. Marzhetsky realized this, which cannot but rejoice.
    In order to exclude the fermentation of unsatisfied Ukrainians in zapukria, they should be given autonomy so that they "pan on their native side" under the strict supervision of a big Russian brother. As they did in Chechnya, that she essentially lives according to Sharia, practically outside the legal field of Russia (in my value judgment), the same will have to be done with Ukraine. Let them panic at home, but tiiihenko, without fanaticism.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 June 2022 15: 55
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      The fact that all of Ukraine needs to be denazified is absolutely clear. And the fact that zapukria cannot be left to the Poles is also obvious. Tov. Marzhetsky realized this, which cannot but rejoice.

      Galicia has its own difficult fate. It is not known what it will be.

      In order to exclude the fermentation of unsatisfied Ukrainians in zapukria, they should be given autonomy so that they "pan on their native side" under the strict supervision of a big Russian brother. As they did in Chechnya, that she essentially lives according to Sharia, practically outside the legal field of Russia (in my value judgment), the same will have to be done with Ukraine. Let them panic at home, but tiiihenko, without fanaticism.

      You tell this to our touchy "predictor". He knows everything better.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 June 2022 03: 53
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        The ever-panicking one is afraid to make predictions that can then be verified.

        Galicia has an unenviable fate. These three regions will be singled out into a new pseudo-state, which has only local economic self-government rights. They will install missiles there aimed at the heart of Poland. There will be a tax - for the restoration of Donbass. In ten years, perhaps, they will receive the rights of a normal state with some restrictions prescribed in the constitution.

        If Poland intervenes, then Galicia will burn along with Poland.
  • Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 29 June 2022 15: 12
    +3
    Well, we will soon come to the need to revive the USSR, which I have been talking about for quite some time.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 15: 27
      -1
      Undoubtedly, but still it should be the Union State both de facto and de jure, and not only de jure, like the USSR, which was de facto a unitary state entity.
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    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 29 June 2022 17: 08
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      well written.
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    3. patxilek Offline patxilek
      patxilek (patxilek) 29 June 2022 17: 38
      -1
      Ukraine was robbed in 2014 by ordinary instigators. The universe of Rothschild-Soros-Bilderberg and Co. under the control of various organizations (NATO-UN-CIA-WHO, etc.).
  • vlad127490 Online vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 29 June 2022 16: 59
    +1
    In any process, especially when restoring the territorial integrity of Russia, there will always be dissatisfied people. Residents of western Ukraine will be dissatisfied and what, how many, 3% of the population of Russia. Here the author is cautious, refers to the inhabitants, but in fact, here the fear is to affect the interests of third influential persons who are not visible. These are the rulers of the world, officials, oligarchs, bankers, mafia living in different countries of the world, but having their own interest.
    The Soviet Union, this is already history, the European Union is heading towards collapse, the state must be monolithic with a center of gravity, this is how the universe is built. Stop stepping on the allied rake.
    Like it or not, but as a result of the SVO, changes have occurred in Ukraine that will lead to a change in the whole system as a whole. Making half-hearted decisions is the defeat of Russia.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 29 June 2022 17: 19
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      Another apologist for the sect #soon
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  • patxilek Offline patxilek
    patxilek (patxilek) 29 June 2022 17: 24
    -2
    This will help. Dominion Mother Russia

  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 29 June 2022 17: 33
    -2
    The Chechen version will be implemented in / in Ukraine. Well, with some cosmetic changes. But first you need to completely destroy this formation and push internal political groups against each other and support loyal (or at least neutral) Russia, which is actually what we are seeing. Most odious figures will be eliminated, Ze&K ° are dead and understand this very well. Their patrons will not let them escape. no. Just like the last illusions of the West have disappeared to turn the tide in their favor. And these are still flowers.
  • 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 29 June 2022 18: 47
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    there should be no union between the Russian Federation and its freeloaders, "whoever feeds a girl, she and her wife"))
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    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 30 June 2022 07: 40
      +2
      You should at least feed yourself, you are our breadwinner!
  • nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 29 June 2022 19: 27
    -1
    Why build something that has never been built?
  • Art Pilot Online Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 29 June 2022 22: 05
    +1
    The population of all territories that will become part of Russia must be informed that they will have the opportunity to live and work in peace. But at the same time, any, even microscopic, attempt of Bandera's revenge will be mercilessly punished. And maximum control at all levels, a testing ground for our special services.
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  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 June 2022 22: 56
    -1
    In general: all give up and we will capture you.
    Or don't give up and we'll take it too.
    therefore, "already now it is necessary to create appropriate administrative and power structures", such as the government of the new republics in Moscow

    Logically, it was the same in the Finnish, and in the Kurdish, Iranian, Turkish operations in the Second World War
  • Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 29 June 2022 23: 20
    -4
    You have to be an idiot to want to "return" Ukraine to Russia.
  • Victor Du Offline Victor Du
    Victor Du (Victor) 29 June 2022 23: 43
    0
    This goldfinch is clearly out of place. It is a pity that our President will not hear and listen to my advice. Only for his elephantine- "They got scared and left ..." in the address of our Russian bastards, I would have deprived him not only of his position, but also of his severance pay.
  • Victor Du Offline Victor Du
    Victor Du (Victor) 29 June 2022 23: 47
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    Quote: Observer2014
    You have to be an idiot to want to "return" Ukraine to Russia.

    Nobody will give it back to us. We ourselves must make her an ally. In any size. And, of course, purely isolated from the seas. You can't trust anyone these days. Even to yourself.
    1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 June 2022 00: 17
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      Nobody will give it back to us. We ourselves must make her an ally. In any size. And, of course, purely isolated from the seas. You can't trust anyone these days. Even to yourself. (That's what my friend said), adding that he only wanted to fart.

      Well, everything? freaked out? repeat :Ukraine is no longer needed. And by the way: for the future I came up with this: From the word in general The time is set by respected sites. Object. laughing If you can. bully
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 30 June 2022 07: 42
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      Did you assume that no one would notice the plagiarism?
  • gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 30 June 2022 10: 03
    +1
    Only the grave will fix the hunchbacked one - this is about the Galicians. The western regions should be a separate state. All the rest are part of the Russian Federation with the preservation of regional statuses.
  • gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 30 June 2022 10: 08
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    It is quite possible that even the central regions will have to be united into a separate state.
  • guest Offline guest
    guest 30 June 2022 15: 26
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    Quote: k7k8
    The above-mentioned Chechen Republic is proof of this.

    But where do you find an analogue of Kadyrov in Ukraine?
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 1 July 2022 09: 19
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    Problems need to be created by those who are not loyal and start creating them yesterday ... I don’t like the Russians and the Russian Federation, deprive them of their citizenship of the Russian Federation and let them go to hell from the Russian Federation, let's see how these paid clowns live abroad ... Not a few of them left for the West today there is in jail...
  • yakisam Offline yakisam
    yakisam (Alexander) 2 July 2022 17: 40
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    On what social basis should the new Union State be created?
    In fact, by spreading the power that belongs in the Russian Federation to a specific social group of people on the territory of Belarus and these "Ukraines"?
    And what to do with the relevant social groups that ALREADY exist in these territories, to whom power NOW belongs there? Will the Russian "group" accept them into its ranks? Or will they have to be destroyed under some pretext?
    The question of the state is the question of what social group the power belongs to, by what means it is exercised, and, most importantly, at whose expense does it function and AGAINST whom is it directed - against which social group?
    The author is a smart person, but ignores this topic in the "program" article
    And without it, all Wishlist remains just Wishlist. Even the prettiest ones.
    Waiting for
  • Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 2 July 2022 19: 57
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    Enough of the union republics already, put so many soldiers on the battlefield and grow another hohland!!!
  • Igor Viktorovich Berdin 4 July 2022 14: 53
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    Somewhere so. The strategy is correct. Adjustments along the way.
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