Ukraine has already lost the war. The secret plan of Putin and Zelensky


For fans of conspiracy theories, I have a somewhat extravagant and unusual version of what is happening, from the category of black humor, pure neighing. Have you ever thought, gentlemen, watching this whole circus that has been going on in the vastness of Ukraine since February 24 of this year, that this is pure agreement between Zelensky and Putin?


Just do not rush, gentlemen, to throw stones at me, I will explain my hypothesis. I don’t really believe in it myself, but what the hell is not joking if we already almost believed in an attempt at a palace coup on Russian bayonets, which Putin made in the hope of a relatively bloodless change political leadership in Kyiv, which failed due to errors in planning and underestimation of the strength and deceit of the enemy, then why is my version worse? And it consists in the fact that there is a cunning agreement between Kyiv and Moscow, at the 1st stage of which Putin helps Zelensky to launder millions and billions of hryvnias stolen during the construction of roads from the Ukrainian budget, buried and laid by the Sly Clown in asphalt, along which Putin famously swept on their tanks from the south and from the north, moving to Kyiv.

Where's the money? What money? There they are, wound on the tracks of Russian tanks, what claims to me?

This is how a lover of cocaine roads can say to the question of any regulatory authorities, checking the safety of his billion, which has suddenly fallen on him offshore, and not even Ukrainian, but American money in his foreign accounts. Just like in the movies: “Whose shoe? My shoe! (With).

The version, of course, is crazy, but I will continue nonetheless. What is the benefit to Putin, the attentive reader will ask me. And ask correctly. Putin's benefit lies in the fact that, in gratitude for this, our cocaine king, or rather his victim, allowed Putin to dispose of or, more precisely, denazify all Ukrainian Natsiks in the Donbass at the 2nd stage of the NVO, collecting them in packs from all over Ukraine and sending them for re-education or, to be more precise, for disposal in the Donbass. Without Zelensky's help, Putin would have had to gather them all on one ship for a long time, in order to send them all together to the next world. And so - with one blow to beat everyone. But even bribes from the Clown are smooth - we have a war, everyone is in defense of the Fatherland! It will be difficult for the Ukrofascists to accuse their commander-in-chief of working for Putin. Who, if not them, should defend their homeland in the face of an aggressive aggressor? Well, the fact that there are no shells and there are several times fewer guns than the enemy has, so this is a war! Nobody promised that it would be easy. Who is to blame that all the dill-patriots carefully collected throughout Ukraine by Zelensky were ground on the front end by the villain Putin with his cannon and rocket artillery? So it's the vile allies who are to blame for not supplying poor Yorick with their heavy artillery and shells for it in the right amount. But Yorick asked them so, so he begged. You see, our Yorick has an alibi, what questions can he have?

And so, everyone is happy, everyone laughs. America imposed sanctions on Russia and bent the whole of the once well-fed Europe into the “Zu” position (in a strange way, this position coincided with the designation of the Z special operation carried out by Putin in Ukraine). Putin, in turn, in one fell swoop utilized on an industrial scale and in commercial quantities all the Ukronazis available in the 404th, thereby completing the previously seemingly impossible task of denazifying the part of the territory of Ukraine that he inherited as a result of a special operation (we’ll see where he stops, no matter how on the western borders of this territorial misunderstanding). And our hero, a victim of cocaine addiction, as a result of a twisted scam, will be able to provide himself with cocaine for the rest of his short, I hope, days that he is going to spend somewhere in Washington or Montreal, if Grandpa Joe does not forget to indicate it in his will, given his services to the decrepit Stronghold of democracy. What will the Poles and Balts who signed up for this project get from this? I think nothing. They will wipe themselves off and go to rake out the nishtyaki they inherited from the Russian bear, which they drove out of the den, along with the loss of its energy carriers and transit. Stupid people, apparently, have forgotten the eternal truth - there are a thousand ways to drive a bear out of its den, but no one has yet figured out a single way to drive it back. What will the leader of these inglourious bastards, Boris Johnson, do? I think he will resign in disgrace, where he will spend the rest of his days in alcohol abuse, poring over memoirs under the general title: "Me and the Genius of Villainy Vladimir Putin." So, closer to December, according to my forecasts, the SVO, begun by the Kremlin "villain" in February of this year, will end.

Ukraine has already lost the war


In confirmation of this version, I will quote from one respected American publication, the Washington Post is called. A column published there the other day is entitled "Ukraine Lost." The author, US Army Colonel, former Senator Richard Black, assessed Ukraine's chances of winning the current confrontation as follows:

Yes, the war is not over, but it is lost. Let's tell you why. Artillery duel: Russia fires 50 shells every day, 10 times more than Ukraine. Its speakers recently stated that as a result of three months of fighting, their country has lost almost all heavy weapons and they no longer have any analogues they inherited from the Soviet era. In addition, on June 9, Mikhail Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine, said that his country was suffering thousands of losses and from 100 to 200 killed a day. At the same time, losses doubled in just three weeks. With a population much smaller than the US, Ukraine loses 6 soldiers every month, 12 times more than America lost in the Vietnam campaign. The Ukrainians fought bravely, but no nation can bear such huge losses for long. Ukraine - the end!

Such a 404th verdict was put forward by former US Senator Richard Black.

Help: For those who do not know, I will remind you: the Vietnam War lasted 20 years, from 1955 to 1975, America entered it in 1965, the active phase lasted until 1973, after which the Americans crawled out of there for another two years. It all ended for them with an inglorious flight in April 1975. The US Army, without losing a single battle to the NLF (National Liberation Front of South Vietnam), as a result, suffered irreparable losses only about 361 thousand people were killed and wounded - 58 were killed, missing and died from wounds and diseases (of which 220 combat losses and 47 non-combat) and more than 434 thousand wounded. And that's not counting the 10 to 786 American veterans who committed suicide and failed to cope with PTSD after the Vietnam War. The fact that Vietnam lost from 303 to 100 million people in this war, I will not even say anything here.

Summary


If retired US Army colonel and ex-senator Richard Black, in his post for The Washington Post, referred to the data of Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine, who, in an interview for the Air Force, said that the losses of the Ukrainian side in the current conflict range from 100 to 200 people per day (total extrapolation: 6 thousand people per month), then I have other data on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

On June 1, Zelensky himself, in an interview for Newsmax, said that "60-100 Ukrainian soldiers are killed at the front every day and another 500 are injured." The same figures were confirmed by the Minister of Defense of Nezalezhnoy Alexei Reznikov 8 days later on his Facebook page (a resource banned in the Russian Federation). But on the same day, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the OPU, doubled this figure in a commentary for the BBC, and a week later, during a visit to America, the head of the Zelensky faction in the Verkhovna Rada and the head of the Ukrainian negotiating group in negotiations with the Russian Federation, David Arakhamia, in an interview for Axios, brought it up to 500 people, stating that "the losses of the Ukrainian side are from 200 to 500 people killed" with total irreparable losses of up to 1000 people in laziness.

As you can see, the figures vary greatly, only the total losses per day are common - up to 1 thousand people (killed and wounded). Total: for 120 days of the war we get 120 thousand irreparable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These figures are also correlated with classified data from the Pentagon (oddly enough, it is better aware of the losses of the RF Armed Forces than of the losses of Ukraine, but nevertheless it has its own statistics). As of 06.06.2022/50/127, only confirmed irreparable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, according to the American side, amounted to 61 people killed. With those missing, that figure rises to 451. With a forecast for the lack of data due to an interrupted data exchange connection, plus another 5-7 thousand. Total: about 65-68 thousand rubles.

In principle, it is very similar to the truth, if we take Arakhamia's figure of 500 people killed per day and multiply it by 100 days of war, we get 50 thousand from the beginning of the operation. If we add to it the number of wounded, which is calculated with the existing average intensity of hostilities from a 1:3 ratio of 150 thousand people, then we get the total irreparable losses of the Armed Forces of approximately 200 thousand people since the beginning of the war. And now let's compare these figures with the losses of the Americans in the Vietnam War. For 10 years, the United States lost 58 thousand people in it only killed, missing and died of wounds. In three months of fighting with the Russian Federation, according to the American side, Ukraine has lost approximately the same number - 61,5 thousand people killed and missing. At the same time, the population of the United States in those years was about 200 million people, and Ukraine has unofficially 7 times less (since a population census has not been conducted since 2001, according to the norms of bread consumption, the number of eaters of Nezalezhnaya was empirically established last year at the level of 28-30 million people).

Now answer me one simple question - if the United States, which at the time of the Vietnam War had a population of more than 200 million people, without losing a single battle to the Viet Cong troops, nevertheless lost that war, unable to cope with the losses of 58 thousand people, under by the pressure of a powerful anti-war movement in their homeland, being forced to withdraw their troops from Vietnam, then what can we say about Ukraine with a population 7 times smaller, which has not won a single battle so far and has lost only dead in three months of the war, according to the same American data, 50 thousand people plus 150 thousand wounded? I think the answer is obvious - Ukraine has already lost the war! I don’t even stutter about the anti-war movement at that level of usurpation of power and the fight against dissent on its territory, it’s only in America that Zelensky’s regime can be considered democratic, among my readers, I’m sure there are no such idiots. In the meantime, denazification and demilitarization in the 404th will continue. I think that by winter, Putin should manage and close this issue once and for all, along with the disappearance of this territorial misunderstanding from the political map of the world.

This is where the report ends. All patience and peace. Your Mr X.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 June 2022 09: 44
    +6
    Well, if you look at the fact that Zelensky is calmly strolling around Kyiv, freely receiving Western guests on the lawn there, and Putin does not give an order to calibrate this whole process, although he can do it so quickly that they won’t even have time to gasp in Kyiv, then may be very similar to some secret agreements between Kyiv and Moscow. So to speak - zrada zrada! And they could conclude this agreement somewhere in Minsk or Istanbul, after which they stopped bombing Kyiv and withdrew troops from there. Maybe one Ukrainian negotiator was liquidated because he was against it and could not keep silent?
    And so, Biden and Putin, taking a large log (ram) with the name Ukraine, jointly break through the gates of the EU fortress. And from there (from the towers and walls of the fortress) Macrons, Scholts and other characters look at this process with horror and incomprehension ...
    Well, right on the canvas of the battle painter, such a picture suggests itself!
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 24 June 2022 14: 00
      +1
      I liked your allegories ... and presented the ancient castle in which this pack sat down and around the moat. and they have nowhere to run from the submarine.
      and to be honest, most likely these are just fantasies, unfortunately, about the agreement. most likely such actions (to grind all the Natsiks in one place) were dictated by the mistake of the first part of the SVO, when they encountered fortified defenses and stubborn resistance (including detachments)
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 25 June 2022 19: 52
      -1
      And so, Biden and Putin, taking a large log (ram) with the name Ukraine, jointly break through the gates of the EU fortress.

      Neither Biden nor Putin needs to break up the EU.
      Biden needed to rob the EU a little. He did it.
      It would be more convenient for Putin to have an EU run by sane people. Hence the rumors about the return of Merkel.
      Only the World Bank needs to destroy the EU in order to try to put together a currency zone from the wreckage. But they don't have the resources. And Putin is against it, and now also the United States. Too many WBs have crossed red lines in recent months.
  2. sat2004 Online sat2004
    sat2004 24 June 2022 10: 09
    +1
    Nonsense of the highest brand inherent only to Biden. This is his war before the last American, Englishman, Pole, Ukrainian, Baltic. What not to do for the sake of the prosperity of democracy. Now it’s so desperate, before the landfill in real conditions. We started from Artsakh and will end up in Berlin as always. This story, as you know, develops in a spiral.
  3. Andreysradinsky Offline Andreysradinsky
    Andreysradinsky (Andrew) 24 June 2022 10: 30
    0
    Should drink less. And preferably alcohol.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 June 2022 14: 16
      +1
      It is unclear whether to drink less or drink only alcohol?
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 24 June 2022 17: 17
        -3
        One lady came to the doctor and asked for help. You see, I'm so weak, I can't refuse, but I'm afraid to fly into it. The doctor says clearly, I will prescribe pills for you. And when to take them, before or after? Doctor - instead!
      2. Andreysradinsky Offline Andreysradinsky
        Andreysradinsky (Andrew) 24 June 2022 17: 57
        -1
        When alcohol is dissolved in water (vodka), the head suffers a lot, and similar ideas arise (such as this article). Pure alcohol is much less harmful, it even dissolves blood clots.
        1. shinobi Offline shinobi
          shinobi (Yuri) 25 June 2022 17: 38
          +1
          Together with the stomach and intestines.
          1. Andreysradinsky Offline Andreysradinsky
            Andreysradinsky (Andrew) 25 June 2022 23: 06
            0
            You should also only drink alcohol.
  4. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 24 June 2022 10: 49
    +3
    Dreaming is not harmful, but the essence prepared by the West is different. What is happening now is a prelude to the main villainy of the West. In recent decades, hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians have passed through Soros' structures. Processing comes from kindergarten, school in the spirit of mortal sin - pride. Everything is built through "Ukraine on top of the mustache." Now there is an destruction of a layer of Ukrainians who knew the USSR and remembered the previous relationship among all nationalities. Namely, the multiple destruction of grandfathers, fathers, brothers should be the trigger for the "eternal, bleeding ulcer for Russia." Revenge is what the impudent Saks are betting on, as they once did in Afghanistan. This is where the biggest losses await us. That is why, children from the "navel" are taught to use weapons, create sabotage and other meanness. The real war hasn't started yet. Right now it is necessary to look for ways to neutralize, to involve all the intellectual forces in the rehabilitation of the youth of Ukraine, if we do not want to receive massive losses from around the corner.
    Right now, an analogue of the "bloody regime of Pol Pot" and its young Khmer Rouge army is being born, and for this there should be as many victims as possible.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 25 June 2022 12: 49
      +2
      Yes, they say the same thing on the Russian Spring resource ... Only in more detail, with a photo.
      https://rusvesna.su/news/1656006331

  5. Pavel Mokshanov_2 (Pavel Mokshanov) 24 June 2022 10: 55
    +3
    Politics is such a muddy and dark swamp that those who do not enter it can only observe the process and draw their own conclusions.
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  7. Ivan Vetrov Offline Ivan Vetrov
    Ivan Vetrov (Ivan Vetrov) 24 June 2022 16: 06
    +1
    Too small Ze for such a role, nonsense
  8. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 24 June 2022 16: 15
    0
    Some nonsense. Okay, Zeli's brains are constantly under the influence. Why write bullshit? We are taking losses. Every day. There is no room for humor.
  9. Andrey petrov_3 Offline Andrey petrov_3
    Andrey petrov_3 (Andrey Petrov) 24 June 2022 16: 54
    -2
    "Ukraine has already lost the war," but it will still last 10-20 years ...
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 24 June 2022 17: 24
      -7
      This war has not stopped since the First World War. She was hot, cold and collaborative. in Bukovina. Those who knew that the war was and read about it from history books for the school. Read about Bandera and so on. They built houses with two floors. In the words of Mykola, if there hadn’t been a Radyansk government, there wouldn’t have been a blink of an eye to make your own house. In a minute, if only the Muscovites would burn down. So you set up a hut for the Muscovites. Well, sho, sho having delivered, sho teper robyty, yakscho nema de pratsyuvaty. And the Russians are guilty of this. There is some truth in this.
    2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 June 2022 19: 01
      +2
      but 10-20 years will still last ...

      By winter, everything will be over if the Poles do not send troops into the territory of the former Ukraine.
      If the Poles lose their minds, the war will end before the beginning of December. And for Poland in the most fatal way. We will write - on the territory of former Poland.
  10. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 24 June 2022 17: 14
    -5
    It's strange that they supported me. As soon as the Russian troops were withdrawn from Kyiv, the thought came to my mind and did not want to disappear, that the matter was not clean. So many wins, and the constant "levelling" of the front, in German. They drive the ZSU into the boilers. Promises of help and of course the planes do not fly. Shelling of their cities. Explosions of their bridges, which do not allow the ZSU to move away, that is, to wash off. With constant crying that we need help, otherwise we will not invest in the deadlines and finish earlier.
  11. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 24 June 2022 18: 01
    0
    In my opinion, I already once said in the comments that this is an agreement on the disposal of Bandera, which Zelensky himself could not handle.
  12. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 24 June 2022 18: 09
    0
    I think that no agreement exists. The drug addict is under the hood of the British and he is closely guarded, and these Britons overestimated the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, and now, as in agony, they order the clown to drive and drive to slaughter everyone who can hold a machine gun in their hands. This is not an agreement, but stupid miscalculations. And by December, the NWO will not end, it will reach the banks of the Dnieper and there will be a couple of branches to Kiev and towards Odessa to the south. I think everything will end in autumn-winter 2023, tobish in a year with a penny and on the border of western Ukraine with Europe. And then there will be consequences, as above, the person wrote about Soros and about the youth of the independent, which is drugged by Nazism and other heresy. Moreover, through NPOs, widows and their children will be dripping on the crown so that they drive their offspring to take revenge on the Muscovites and their widows will be sent to carry out terrorist attacks. We still have to a lot of work on this and it’s not a fact that the fall-winter of 2023 is the end of the NWO. The Anglo-Saxons can push both the Poles and the Balts into the heat of the war, whom they and Europe don’t feel sorry for at all, and then the window deadlines I live in the dashing years. I was born in the USSR, captured perestroika, the war in Afghanistan, the collapse of the USSR, two Chechen campaigns, the dashing 90s, the war on 08.08.2008/24.02.2022/46 and now also on 15/75/90 NWO. What will happen next I can’t even predict, but maybe at my XNUMX I will be able to live quietly for XNUMX years as I lived from XNUMX to XNUMX? Well, maybe my children will avoid these fun slides.
    1. cooper Offline cooper
      cooper (Alexander) 25 June 2022 07: 42
      -4
      You greatly overestimate the fighting ardor of all sorts of Poles-Balts and supposedly inconsolable Ukrainian widows.
  13. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 24 June 2022 19: 53
    0
    Ukraine has already lost the war. The secret plan of Putin and Zelensky

    This is not even funny ...
  14. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 24 June 2022 21: 39
    -3
    Presidential elections in the Russian Federation will be held in 2024. The war in Ukraine will end with Putin's victory in an election year.
  15. Taras Offline Taras
    Taras (Taras) 24 June 2022 22: 58
    -2
    Well, it’s standard to see “VICTORY” where it doesn’t exist))) for 4 months they can’t go to the borders of Donbass and Luganka .... but Lend-Lease didn’t come there ...
    1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 25 June 2022 00: 47
      +2
      That her, do not worry so Ukrainian. Express to Bandera works. There are no crashes.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 25 June 2022 19: 03
      -1
      For 4 months they can’t go to the borders of Donbass and Luganka .... but Lend-Lease didn’t come there ...

      There is no task to quickly liberate the territory. There is a task to quickly knock out the APU. The second task is practically completed. Qualified and motivated soldiers have already been knocked out. There were those who did not have the mind (or conscience) to dump before the start of the massacre. But they do not want to fight, they are already surrendering by the hundreds.
      There will be no lend-lease. It is stolen, and what is left is quickly knocked out or falls into trophies.
      Russia is also interested in pulling more iron in / out, since the matter will not end with Ukraine. And when Europe realizes that there is nothing to fight with, and the United States jumps off the topic, the further process will go more calmly.
  16. Dart2027 Online Dart2027
    Dart2027 24 June 2022 23: 02
    +2
    The theory is interesting, but the fact is that you can negotiate only with those who make decisions, and Zelensky does not pull on such a person.
  17. Siegfried Online Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 24 June 2022 23: 32
    0
    in the end, the struggle is for the brains of the Ukrainians. And it's not all as bad as it might seem at first glance. The sympathies of Ukrainians for the authorities (not only the current, but the entire zoo of elites) are completely absent. Ukrainians were simply waiting for the West to somehow magically save their country from poverty, insanity and Russian influence. For this they endured their power. The EU seemed to them the light at the end of the tunnel, something so omnipotent and saving that they were ready to endure the bullying of the authorities and the decline of their country.

    But now the first cracks appear in this faith. The very perception of the EU in Ukraine, especially the possibilities of the EU, its financial and economic omnipotence, is already changing noticeably. There is a discrepancy between expectations and reality. The last positive burp for Ukrainians was the granting of candidate status to the EU. There is no doubt that everyone will very quickly realize how insignificant this event is in comparison with the expectations of changes, at least some improvements in something.

    Disappointment in the EU will grow, because it is obvious that against the backdrop of those gigantic problems and crises, the EU is not able to finance Ukraine even at the minimum required level, the economy of which not only hit the bottom (it reached the bottom even before the NWO), but deflated to values, while which the country simply cannot exist. And the way the West (in particular the EU) will be ready to "help" Ukraine after the completion of the NWO will further disappoint the Ukrainian society.

    The population of Ukraine is extremely embittered. This anger is currently directed against Russia. But soon, maybe even very soon, this anger will affect the current government, and then the West. And then there will begin a real large-caliber commotion.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 June 2022 07: 14
      0
      After winning Eurovision, the inhabitants of b. Ukraine hoped that Russian troops would flee from the front. How, how, how - after all, such a resounding victory! And on the information front - the most important of all fronts.
      It turned out that the Russian army continues to grind the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other bandits.
      Moreover, even on the information front, the victory at Eurovision was not counted.

      However, residents b. Ukraine have found a new victory, whose taste they are now savoring.
      They were almost accepted into the EU. Isn't that a victory? Oh, and now they will live! The Russians are jealous.
  18. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
    Omas Bioladen 25 June 2022 04: 27
    -2
    Falsch. Ich habe das hier schonöfter geschrieben, daß ich glaube, daß Zelensky ein KGB-Agent ist.
    1. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 1 July 2022 21: 32
      -1
      Wer zum Teufel bist du?
      1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
        Omas Bioladen 20 July 2022 14: 03
        0
        Steht daughter da. Lern lesen.
    2. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 1 July 2022 21: 36
      -1
      auf Russisch schreiben
      1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
        Omas Bioladen 20 July 2022 14: 04
        0
        Übersetzen lernen.
        1. General Black Offline General Black
          General Black (Gennady) 21 July 2022 15: 44
          0
          Ek takes a long time to reach you.
          1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
            Omas Bioladen 23 July 2022 09: 26
            0
            Good things will take a while.
            1. General Black Offline General Black
              General Black (Gennady) 25 July 2022 20: 32
              0
              If before these good things there is a place in the cranium. hi
  19. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 25 June 2022 07: 37
    0
    The project "Ukraine" will be finally closed without options.
  20. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 25 June 2022 08: 44
    -2
    Putin could not agree with these goats. Minsk 1.0 / 2.0 Istanbul 1.0 ... Ze agreed with the Amer and they will rob with Lend-Lease for years what they can leave from Dill. Ze gets a kickback for what AS seems to have come through a bunch of intermediaries and seems to have been destroyed. So much funnier...
  21. Chervony Biker Offline Chervony Biker
    Chervony Biker (Red Biker) 25 June 2022 15: 28
    +1
    Dear author, correctly noticed the strangeness of what is happening in the world. But the conclusions made are unnecessarily simplified/straightforward. In an article on VO back in March, I wrote that miraculously, there is a COINCIDENCE of the interests of the antagonist participants.
    1. the destruction of the possessed part of the coming out-roguls is definitely BENEFICIAL for both Zelensky (they are his tool, over which he loses control) and Russia (they are enemies and must be destroyed) and the collective West (they are completely useless for Western civilization. stupid, evil and unwilling to work ) Everything is obvious!
    2. millions of refugees from Ukraine. Beneficial to Zelensky's junta as an opportunity to steal funds allocated by the West. Beneficial to the West as even a slight but improving the demographic situation. Middle-aged women with children - beggars and disenfranchised - will be useful to the West in every way. It is beneficial for Russia - people who, even if forced to come to Russia, have made their civilizational choice and are worthy of all kinds of support both by the state and society.
    You can continue on with many examples, and all this will be a coincidence of interests, but of course not some kind of secret agreement.
    Everyone can afford to lose in this situation, except for Russia.
    America can "take offense" at everyone and return to isolationism and self-sufficiency.
    Europe will remember its self-sufficiency and remember that it is exciting and profitable to be friends with Russia.
    Ukraine, which received statehood like a bolt from the blue and, as a result, turned out to be not ready for such a test, will be divided into its natural borders according to interests. That in the future will save the nerves and health of millions of descendants.
    Russia, and only she cannot stop halfway. The minimum stop lines are the borders of the Empire, followed by the throwing of Galicia into Poland and the subsequent bone of contention, the redistribution of the borders between Poland and Germany. It is in this vein that, by the way, the problem of Kaliningrad will be solved
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  23. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 25 June 2022 17: 02
    +1
    Quote: Red Biker
    America can "take offense" at everyone and return to isolationism and self-sufficiency.
    Europe will remember its self-sufficiency and remember that it is exciting and profitable to be friends with Russia.
    Ukraine, which received statehood like a bolt from the blue and, as a result, turned out to be not ready for such a test, will be divided into its natural borders according to interests.

    This is unlikely, too dubious assessments of the situation and, accordingly, a dubious forecast for the next 5-10 years ...
  24. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 25 June 2022 17: 51
    0
    In the West, especially in the US, politicians are out of touch with reality. A vivid example of this is the discussion in the United States at the state level of the division of Russia. At the moment, there are no internal prerequisites for this, rather the opposite, but they are discussing it. What the EU politicians were thinking about while participating in the rejection of Russian gas is generally beyond my understanding. For almost 40 years, their industry has been sharpened for Russian oil and gas, and the simultaneous rejection of them is now equal to economic suicide. And if US politicians are old people with dementia, then European just downs.
  25. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 25 June 2022 20: 38
    +1
    The version is too contrived.
    In fact, everything is easier. During Zeli's visit to London, he was called to the mat at MI6. And he went without even taking the head of the SBU with him.
    After this visit, he leaked everything. With all the bastard nature of Poroshenko, even he has some edges beyond which he diligently did not go.
    1. Earth.
    2.Language.
    3.Full-scale military conflict with Russia.
    Zelya leaked it all.
    Apparently, during the quarrel at MI6, he was presented with some offshore accounts, which he, as president, cannot disclose. And they could simply threaten to arrest them. Everything "acquired by overwork"! Or they could promise problems with the safety of the family ... These are impudent Saxons.
    Now English-speaking guards follow him (escorts?). And he does what the WB needs. For the United States, Ukraine is no longer interesting. They have their own problems. Over the past 2 years, they have lost Latin America from the word "absolutely". And now it is not clear whether they will have enough resources for their currency zone.
    And Zelya is clearly in anguish from the fact that he got involved in the adventure of the presidency. He already knows for sure that he will be disposed of soon. Like knowing too much. They will arrange a heroic death for the victim of Putin's "bloody redhead".
    Although Putin needs him alive and in office.
    In my view, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation after the Donbass will take Nikolaev, Odessa and then go north and west, to the border with Poland. Leave the middle for now.
    And when everything is clear to everyone in Kyiv, Yanukovych's lawyer (dressed all in white, but possibly on a tank) will arrive and demand that the case on Yanukovych's illegal removal from the presidency be brought to an end in the district (I don't remember which district) court in Kyiv. The application was submitted in the fall. This case, from a legal point of view, is absolutely unambiguous, they will consider it very quickly and positively (you want to live). Then questions about loans and other property claims (such as "I bought this land") are redirected personally and personally to Pans Turchynov, Poroshenko, Zelensky.
    After that, it will be possible to finally liquidate the statehood of the former Ukraine.
    As unnecessary.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 27 June 2022 16: 06
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      How is this not necessary? Who, then, will do their favorite work, waving a whip?
    2. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 27 June 2022 17: 06
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      Perhaps I will join this version. And the version of the author of the article is unrealistic, and the author himself hardly believes in it, he just wants to make out this option.
  26. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 27 June 2022 14: 35
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    Cool version, but no more. Thanks to the author for the humor)))! It just works out that way because God is with us.
  27. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 29 June 2022 02: 00
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    At any moment, "Slavic blood" can play among the Ukrainians, which will tell you about the senselessness of the war, this is exactly what the Anglo-Saxons are afraid of and put a Jew in charge of the country, the lards are thrown into the info war. But here the strategist is not a strategist, but support from the Almighty is needed.
  28. patxilek Offline patxilek
    patxilek (patxilek) 30 June 2022 17: 08
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    What you say is what I said during the first month of the special operation, although you exaggerated a little. It's about connecting the ends or strands and finding things that are not reasonable, disorderly behavior, incomprehensible decisions for the leader of the nation, who must protect the interests of his nation and his people.
  29. Artie Offline Artie
    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 1 July 2022 01: 26
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    which failed due to errors in planning and underestimation of the strength and deceit of the enemy

    Only a cretin can argue that a 10k group near Kyiv tried to take a 3 million city surrounded by protection of 30k soldiers coming out. That voyage near Kyiv was a maneuver that fettered the central grouping, so that it would not come to the Donbass and crush the LDNR, while we were doing the main goal of the 1st stage in the south - the Crimea-LDNR corridor. Mission accomplished, troops gone. The operation is proceeding strictly according to plan, even with a slight lead, according to the General Staff. And there is no underestimation, more likely even an overestimation. 1300-1400 losses per day in Ukraine, of which about 600 are corpses. In Russia, for comparison, up to 12-15 per day on average. At the same time, Russia operates in a small grouping of 12% of its armed forces, and Ukraine - all 100% of its armed forces + reservists + theterodefense + 4 waves of mobilization + foreign mercenaries + foreign supplies and intelligence assistance + mass sitting behind civilians, because of which we hardly use bombing. You are a bad analyst
  30. Artie Offline Artie
    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 1 July 2022 01: 33
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    The classified data of the Pentagon also correlates with these figures (oddly enough, it is better aware of the losses of the RF Armed Forces than of the losses of Ukraine, but nevertheless it has its own statistics

    The Pentagon does not have this information. In general, Russia has about 2.6-2.8k dead, Ukraine has more than 72k. Over the past month, Russia has around 400, Ukraine has about 18k killed, not counting the wounded
  31. Bloshka Offline Bloshka
    Bloshka (Konstantin) 8 July 2022 12: 23
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    Well, it's quite the place to be. Since 2016, there has been talk about the global problem of the Kyiv regime of the national battalion. Denazification is underway.