"Second front": why do Kazakh elites lead their country along the path of Ukraine


Kazakhstan has now become the main troublemaker in the CIS, if we take Ukraine, which has exhausted everyone, into brackets. Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, who “got stuck” as his benefactor, President Nazarbayev, made a resonant statement at the international economic forum held in St. Petersburg, and also allegedly refused to accept the Alexander Nevsky Order. The consequences were not long in coming.


It should be noted that neighboring Kazakhstan is still quite a friendly state for Russia, but in recent years it has been steadily drawn into the camp of our country's opponents, and after the start of a military special operation in Ukraine, this process has noticeably intensified. The last statements of President Tokayev at SPIEF-2022, who frankly answered the question of Margarita Simonyan about the impossibility of Kazakhstan recognizing the independence of the DPR and LPR, can be considered the watershed point, because this would violate the principle of the territorial integrity of the state, laid down in international law:

Apparently, this principle will also be applied to quasi-state territories, which, in our opinion, are Donetsk and Luhansk. This is a frank answer to your frank question.


Judging by the facial expressions of Mrs. Simonyan and President Putin, they expected a different answer in a different form. In addition, a few days earlier, in an interview with a VGTRK journalist, the Kazakh president said that he did not consider himself indebted to Russia for the assistance provided in early 2022, since it was provided by the entire CSTO bloc:

In Russia, some people misrepresent this situation, arguing that Russia saved Kazakhstan, and Kazakhstan should now forever serve and bow at the feet of Russia. I think this is completely unjustified reasoning.


Recall that in January of this year, events took place in friendly Kazakhstan, very reminiscent of the Ukrainian Maidan of 2014 and the attempted Belomaidan of 2020. Then Tokayev himself turned to Moscow for external assistance, and the CSTO structure was put into practice for the first time, and successfully. The ruling regime survived, large-scale purges took place in the ruling elite of Kazakhstan, and the peacekeepers, most of whom were Russian military, went home. To this point, we will return further.

In relation to the resonant statements of Tokayev, opinions in Russia itself were divided. There are at least two theories explaining why relations between Moscow and Nur-Sultan began to noticeably heat up.

"Putin-Tokayev Pact"?


According to the first, conspiracy theory, there is a kind of "agreement" between the Russian and Kazakh elites, and all these verbal escapades are just a game for the public.

To substantiate this theory, they point out that Moscow has lost Minsk as a reliable intermediary through which it could previously calmly resolve many issues and circumvent sanctions restrictions. But now Belarus itself has fallen under the hood of the West for the company with Russia, and now the Kremlin needs a new “gateway” through which sanctioned goods and services will go through secret paths. A big plus for Kazakhstan is that it is located on the road between Russia and China, objectively being a kind of buffer zone.

Well, perhaps so. But there are other opinions on this matter.

It happened


I would like to draw attention to how President Tokayev justified the impossibility of recognizing the independence of the DPR and LPR (by the way, Moscow itself also delayed this decision for 8 years). As a professional diplomat, Tokayev referred to the conflict between two fundamental norms laid down in international law at once - the territorial integrity of the state and the right of nations to self-determination:

It has been calculated that if the right of a nation to self-determination is actually realized throughout the globe, then instead of the 193 states that are now members of the UN, more than 500 or 600 states will arise on Earth. Of course it will be chaos.


Allegedly for this reason, official Nur-Sultan does not recognize the independence of not only the DPR and LPR, but also Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Taiwan. True, for some reason this did not prevent Kazakhstan from recognizing the independence of the new European states formed during the collapse of Yugoslavia. And the Kazakh ruling elites themselves are extremely sensitive to any encroachments on the sovereignty of their country, which arose in 1991 with the openly illegal collapse of the USSR. Recall that at the referendum on the preservation of the Soviet Union, the overwhelming majority of the population of a single country voted in favor. A very flexible position is obtained: here we recognize, here we do not recognize.

Considering that Northern Kazakhstan is historically part of the Russian Empire, the concern of the Kazakh ruling elites can be understood. Especially against the backdrop of a special military operation, during which the Donbass and the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov have already been actually torn away from Ukraine, and, hopefully, the process of disintegration of UkroReich will not stop there.

It is not surprising that today Kazakhstan proudly and independently sticks out its chin, completely forgetting that just a few months ago it could turn into Ukraine-2. On the contrary, the official Nur-Sultan itself embarked on this path. Having barely retained power in his hands, President Tokayev appointed the Minister of Information policy note Russophobe Askar Umarov, and his deputy - ethnic Russian Alexander Danilov, who was closely associated with the structures of the Soros Foundation and collaborated with Radio Azattyk (a branch of Radio Liberty, recognized in the Russian Federation as a foreign agent). Nur-Sultan and London intend to soon conclude a trade agreement, the prospects of which were enthusiastically described by the Ambassador of Kazakhstan in London Yerlan Idrisov:

We will continue our partnership. We are expecting the visit of the Foreign Minister of Kazakhstan to the UK soon. We hope to sign a new bilateral trade agreement, the so-called strategic partnership agreement.


But right now, in the period from May 29 to June 9, Turkey hosted the joint exercises "EFES-2022", in which the military personnel of the United States, a number of European countries, as well as Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan took part. They have worked out the skills of conducting land and sea operations, including the landing of troops on the coast. Everyone was satisfied. By the way, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan are both members of the CSTO.

Coincidence or not, but after the speech of President Tokayev at SPIEF-2022, the shipment of Kazakh oil was suspended in the port of Novorossiysk under the pretext of finding 50 potentially dangerous munitions from the Great Patriotic War that need to be defused. Almost immediately after that, information was leaked to the press that Kazakhstan was suspending the transit of Russian coal through its territory under the pretext of complying with Western sanctions, although they come into force only from August.

According to doctors, the dynamics are negative. I remember that back on January 7, 2022, the Reporter released publication under the telling heading “Why it will be a mistake not to bring in, but to withdraw Russian troops from Kazakhstan” with a detailed substantiation of this thesis. It hasn't even been six months.
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  1. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 20 June 2022 12: 20
    +6
    they don’t lead anywhere, they just follow the orders of their masters, that is, those who control their palaces and grandmas in the West, there are many such puppets and surrounded by the Tsar, but that’s why the Tsar “works” with them and was afraid to remove Tokaev’s mutt USA - this one the question needs to be sorted out
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 16
      +6
      In order not only to remove - but also to live on, it is necessary - 1. To have your own pro-Russian elite. "2. The elite must be educated. 3. Education - the Russian classical school. 13. Finally, take off your white gloves... 17. Take off your rose-colored glasses. 21. "Strike first, Freddy!"
    2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 21 June 2022 10: 42
      +1
      Yes, the influence of the West in Kazakhstan is very significant. At least, it is more significant than the Russian one. But the Turkish influence, if considered separately from the Western one (and rightly so), is even more significant. But even together with the West, the Turks in Kazakhstan play a smaller role than the Chinese. They own almost all key sectors of the economy and control most of the deposits. And Tokayev's latest escapade should be understood as a fact of China's transition to active actions against Russia.
  2. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 20 June 2022 12: 33
    +4
    For NATO, Kazakhstan is just a tasty morsel. This is an outlet to Russia, and to China, and to Iran, among other things. Surely Tokaev has already received offers, because he has so much ambition
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 18
      0
      20... No - 25 rams....
    2. EMMM Offline EMMM
      EMMM 20 June 2022 19: 50
      0
      The naval base in Alma-Ata is cool!
      It is probably easiest to dig a shipping channel from Russia, but whether the latter wants to agree is not even a question.
      Air? And how to fly, only through Turkey and the Caspian, controlled by a bear?
      Land? Well, if only robots, no supply.
      Kazakhstan, welcome to NATO!
  3. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 20 June 2022 13: 27
    +2
    V.Yu.Katasonov writes

    The dominance of Western investors in Kazakhstan's economy (especially from the US, the Netherlands and the UK) is a major obstacle to Russia's further economic rapprochement with its southern neighbor. Moreover, the large-scale presence of Western capital in Kazakhstan increases its vulnerability to subversive operations from abroad. And the task of the latter is to finally oust Russia from the economic space of Kazakhstan, torpedo the rapprochement of these two states and, if possible, make them enemies.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 20 June 2022 18: 57
      +2
      The dominance of Western investors in the economy of Kazakhstan (especially from the US, the Netherlands and the UK) is a major obstacle to Russia's further economic rapprochement with its southern neighbor. Moreover, the large-scale presence of Western capital in Kazakhstan increases its vulnerability to subversive operations from abroad.

      Let's ask ourselves how independent our own oligarchs are from the States, who decide where to go behind Putin's back. The international venues where they profit from Russia are, by definition, controlled by the Hegemon.
      Understanding this alignment, which is perfectly seen by everyone around, including Kazakhstan itself, it is probably overly presumptuous to demand marital fidelity from him according to Sharia law. Can he, when choosing a leader, rely on our own independence from the same Hegemon?
      We probably shouldn't distract ourselves with other people's houses just yet. It is much more important to put things in order in your own
  4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 13: 28
    +1
    If Kazakhstan is not under Russia, it will be under China. And learning Chinese is more difficult than Russian. In the end, China and Russia can divide China into zones of influence.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 20
      +3
      Kazakhstan - you mean? Yes, China will simply cut them out on occasion (well, it will assimilate them, if it disgusts you) ...
    2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 21 June 2022 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: Bulanov
      If Kazakhstan is not under Russia, it will be under China.

      This is a long-standing fact. True, the Chinese are not so stupid as to force everyone to learn Chinese literacy right off the bat. So far, they are satisfied with dominance in the economy and politics.
  5. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 20 June 2022 13: 33
    +4
    What is Kazakhstan? These are nomadic tribes that were forcibly driven into Russian cities. The Kazakhs did not have a single city of their own at all and roamed the steppes until the middle of the last century. Alma-Ata - the city of Verny, Astana - Tselinograd, Aktau and others - just changed their names. Common parasites.
    They never had statehood, but at the expense of a generous gift from the recklessly drunk BNE they received Russian territories.
    1. Pat Rick Offline Pat Rick
      Pat Rick 20 June 2022 23: 00
      +2
      They received territories back in the 20-30s of the last century, and BNE is out of business here.
    2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
      whitebeard 24 June 2022 12: 01
      0
      There is no need to blame everything on EBN - for all its shortcomings, the situation with the independence of the republics was objectively created by the entire policy and entire existence of the USSR in the previous 10 years: it went bankrupt under the unbearable load of the power sector, and fixed the national basis of the republics in the USSR, although communism as the doctrine denied both nationalism and indulgence to it. Well, what would EBN do with all the detached respawns, go to war with them? Yes, the Russian Federation, even in Chechnya, was not able to win at that time, to say nothing of other respawns. And by the end of its existence, the citizens of the USSR were already so fucked up with deficits, lack of money, lack of rights, lack of freedom, international and international aid, etc., that no one would have gone to fight for the "Russian lands" in the former Soviet republics. And even now there is little point in fighting for these lands, if only the Russians are left alone there, because it’s not worth the hat - it’s not worth it for a reset resource-rent backward state to forcibly drag new territories to itself - it would have to deal with the existing ones
  6. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 13: 45
    +3
    In the meantime, Kazakhstan is thinking about which way to go, Ukraine fired at the drilling platforms of Chornomorneftegaz.
    I wonder if the decision-making centers in Ukraine will be hit? These are not some houses. These are Russian drilling rigs, which means a lot of money!

    The head of the Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, announced the attack on the drilling platforms of Chernomorneftegaz. Saved five people, he wrote in his Telegram.
    “This morning, the enemy attacked the drilling platforms of Chornomorneftegaz. I am in touch with colleagues from the Ministry of Defense and the FSB, we are working on saving people. 5 people were rescued, three of them were injured. The search for the rest continues,” Aksyonov said.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 22
      -1
      How could you?! These are our deceived gods! ... Not like ours in bast shoes and with a stolen W-10. They are almost accomplished Europeans ...
    2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
      whitebeard 24 June 2022 12: 04
      0
      You are so worried about the "money" of drilling platforms, as if it is your money or you can get it)) Better keep track of your taxes and how much you pay directly or indirectly to your native state - you definitely won’t see this money anymore for the most part, after you take it to the tax office;)
  7. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 20 June 2022 13: 55
    -8
    True, for some reason this did not prevent Kazakhstan from recognizing the independence of the new European states formed during the collapse of Yugoslavia. And the Kazakh ruling elites themselves are extremely sensitive to any encroachments on the sovereignty of their country, which arose in 1991 with the openly illegal collapse of the USSR.

    The countries that had the right under the constitution of the SFRY (FEDERATION!) to secede from the federation were recognized. There were no violations of international law there. The collapse of the USSR was technically absolutely legal, and most of the republics certainly wanted an exit. Kazakhstan was against it, but it would be strange if, having gained sovereignty, it treated it indifferently.
    Russia did not recognize LDNR, so why should KZ recognize? Give a green road to the separatists that Russia can organize in the north of the country? It is much more convenient for Tokayev to put behind his back China (which is also against the violation of territorial integrity) by the example of Taiwan.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 June 2022 15: 17
      +4
      The collapse of the USSR was technically absolutely legal, and most of the republics certainly wanted an exit.

      Come on? And the opinion of the population, expressed in a referendum, does not mean anything anymore?
      Are you a lawyer to discuss such topics?

      Russia did not recognize LDNR, so why should KZ recognize?

      Russia has already recognized the DNR and LNR.

      The countries that had the right under the constitution of the SFRY (FEDERATION!) to secede from the federation were recognized. There were no violations of international law there.

      Woo-way, jumped out like a jack-in-the-box Israeli who will tell us about international law while his country illegally annexed the Golan Heights. smile
      Whose cow would be mooing. He got out here, a Russophobe-anti-Soviet with his own opinion.
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 25
        +1
        Liquid however. As my grandfather, a war veteran, used to say...
    2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 24
      +2
      The results of the referendums, apparently, were not announced to you ... Well, yes - at least in the eyes of a piss ...
    3. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 32
      +1
      The collapse of the USSR was technically absolutely legal, and most of the republics certainly wanted an exit.

      - not the republics, but the leadership of the republics, since it has long been proven that it is better to be the first in the countryside than the second in the city. The author is right, there was a referendum, the population voted against the collapse of the USSR, but the elites decided differently, the population endured, but in vain they endured ....
    4. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 20 June 2022 21: 28
      +1
      For the especially gifted. The withdrawal of the Republic of Kazakhstan from the USSR was possible only with a positive decision received at the USSR Referendum and the implementation of the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”.
      The USSR Constitution of 1977, including "Article 72. Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR" was adopted by all the peoples of the USSR, and only the entire people of the USSR could give permission for Kazakhstan to leave the USSR.
      The exit of Kazakhstan without a nationwide referendum in the USSR and the failure to comply with the law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations. As soon as the power coming from the 1990s disappears, this whole sovereign house of cards will crumble and NATO will no longer help them, because they have awakened the Russians.
      1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
        Vox Populi (vox populi) 21 June 2022 19: 26
        -2
        Eprst, but how did Russia "leave" the USSR and what happened with the declaration of sovereignty?!
  8. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 14: 11
    +3
    The Kremlin planted this bomb itself. Not only did he immediately withdraw the troops, he also left in power the British toady, a notorious Russophobe.
  9. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 20 June 2022 14: 29
    +3
    on the impossibility of Kazakhstan recognizing the independence of the DNR and LNR

    No problem. Immediately attach them to Russia in order to remove this issue. And it will continue to "bull" - to start distributing Russian passports, especially in northern Kazakhstan. There are 17 million people in Kazakhstan, 3 million are purely Russian northern territories. I understand that Putin does not have enough education to explain to this Tokaev that he is wrong. But not to the same extent. At "our table" and behave so impudently.

    does not consider himself indebted to Russia for the assistance provided at the beginning of 2022, since it was provided by the entire CSTO bloc:

    How is it necessary not to respect Putin and Russia to say this? I say: "Putin is a weak politician." If you don't respect yourself, why should others respect you?
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 28
      +2
      And what about East Kazakhstan forgot? From Ust-Kaman - Pavlodar-Semsk and further along the Irtysh - Russia!!! Yo...
  10. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 20 June 2022 14: 52
    0
    Fake information is actively spreading in the media space of the CIS that Kazakhstan has allegedly blocked 1700 wagons with Russian coal on its territory. The Transport Committee of the Ministry of Industry of Kazakhstan officially declares: these messages are fake stuffing

    - informs (https://www.gov.kz/memleket/entities/miid/press/news/details/390572?lang=ru) the Ministry of Industry and Infrastructure Development of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

    In fact, there are no 1700 wagons with Russian coal on the territory of Kazakhstan. There are also no wagons with coal on the tracks of Russian Railways, standing in the direction of Kazakhstan or from it.
  11. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 20 June 2022 16: 13
    0
    "Second front": why do Kazakh elites lead their country along the path of Ukraine

    - Yes, while we are fiddling with Ukraine and sparingly "grinding by hand" and participating in "noble artillery duels" - instead of shoveling everything for a long time and plowing it with the help of VKS and heavy bombs BETAB-500 M-62; and calibers ; and the Iskanders - all our "former sympathizers" - looking at all this burdensomeness - will also begin to choose the "path of Ukraine" !!!
    - The fourth month of the GUS - and "things are practically - and now there"! - For such a powerful state as Russia - this is already clearly - "not comme il faut" !!! - Well, and our "friends" - always "keep their nose in the wind"! - And they do not want, together with Russia, to be substituted under this "wind" !!!
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 29
      0
      Akela has grown old and lost his grip...
  12. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 20 June 2022 17: 06
    +2
    Kazakhstan has no future anyway. In 30 years of silence, they have not been able to create anything significant. There is no industry as such.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 June 2022 17: 33
      +3
      They are not sickly leaving on the remnants of the industrial complex of the USSR. And the titular nation Never worked in mines and factories. For this, there are Russians and others. They are lawyers-beznesmeny-businesswomen and finally ... And the SCC-TMK and other leading production facilities of the USSR are legal swag taken from idiots and they plow there. Go to Ust-Kamenogorsk ... Evil is not enough - this is another city with Alash people (Bandera), who believe that this city is theirs!
  13. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 20 June 2022 19: 08
    +2
    No one leads anywhere. This is the pattern of development of our society. If you treat some part of your country well and do a lot for it, then this part, if it suddenly gains independence, begins to dislike you. Just like it happens in a family. Spoiled children grow up not very good people. And until such children get hit on the head by their parents, they get worse and worse. This is an objective process and it is going on in all the seceded republics, whether we like it or not. It's time to take action! Otherwise, nothing will work. What measures - I do not know. I am not a politician. I guess, but I will not say that labels are not hung.
  14. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 20 June 2022 21: 02
    0
    Does everyone have to bow before the current government of Russia. This Russia is not the one that was in Soviet times. This is a completely different country, which is not for the whole people, but for those who are not brothers to the people and who have the same attitude towards those that were in the days of that country under the hammer and sickle. Now a double-headed eagle, which is a bird of prey that eats everything that gets in its eyes. Remember Shurik and his words - sorry for the bird, but it's not an eagle.
  15. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 20 June 2022 22: 28
    +1
    I always admired the ability of a geopolitician-hockey player to change the awl for soap, and here he also did not let us down with Tokaev-Nazarbayev, as the athletes say - stability is a sign of skill laughing
  16. Pat Rick Offline Pat Rick
    Pat Rick 20 June 2022 22: 56
    0
    and also allegedly refused to accept the Order named after Alexander Nevsky.

    I don’t know how he could refuse an order that no one was going to give him.

    that in the referendum on the preservation of the Soviet Union, the overwhelming majority of the population of a single country voted in favor.

    In March 1991, no single country actually existed anymore.
    In six republics, no referendum was held at all.
    There was a very famously twisted question about a renewed federation of sovereign republics, which had yet to be built, but it is obvious that with such "builders" as Yeltsin and Gorbachev it would never have been built.
  17. zavhoz_rus Offline zavhoz_rus
    zavhoz_rus (Alexey) 20 June 2022 23: 19
    -1
    How did the ungrateful creatures who owe their existence to Russia for the grave of their lives lifted up, but you are obliged to bow at the feet of Russia all your life because your skin was saved and your indiscretion with crowds of uneducated aborigines is fed at the expense of Russia
  18. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 21 June 2022 08: 03
    +1
    now the Kremlin needs a new “gateway” through which sanctioned goods and services will go through secret paths.

    Author, do you seriously think so?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 June 2022 20: 25
      0
      No. There is such an opinion.
  19. chop off the north - and good bye! Of course, we will leave a couple of regions in the mountains to them - let them eat koumiss with flies in smelly yurts!
  20. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 21 June 2022 09: 18
    0
    The British lackey grew bolder and thanked Putin for handing him power with a spit in his face.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 21 June 2022 20: 10
      0
      The very presence of the provocateur Simonyan near the presidents is already a reason for Tokaev to make his speech. Tokaev is no more "British" than the leadership of Russia
  21. ficshr Offline ficshr
    ficshr (Nikolai Anisimov) 21 June 2022 10: 55
    0
    I cannot get rid of the bitter feeling from the not entirely reasonable actions of our state in relation to Kazakhstan. The question is ... how long will we (the Russian Federation) indulge his leadership to make us soft-bodied and compliant fools. It is clear that they consider us, if not enemies, then certainly not "brothers", as our rulers try to inspire us. I will not list the many political, territorial and other OUR mistakes ... they are obvious to everyone. However, THEM must be corrected ... before it's too late ...
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 21 June 2022 20: 08
      0
      What is the indulgence? To force Tokaev to accept the Order of Nevsky or to shut him up in front of Simonyan, whose roommate a month before on YouTube threatened Kazakhstan to "deal" with them?
  22. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 21 June 2022 15: 06
    0
    the truth is somewhere in the middle, the Kazakh elite is divided into pro-Russian and pro-Western Tokayev is trying to maintain a balance The Ukrainian scenario is inevitable for Kazakhstan.
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 21 June 2022 19: 57
      -2
      So 3 million Russians in Kazakhstan are doomed to "denazification"! Will Russia have enough strength for another meat grinder? It is still unknown how the war in Ukraine will end. And what consequences this will have for Russia
  23. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 21 June 2022 16: 59
    -2
    Apparently in Russia, someone also needs to "watch the market": Keosayan, Nikonov, Fedorov. Constant hackneyed mantras "Russia has no allies, except for the army and navy." If allies are not needed, then why make claims to the leader of another country and express dissatisfaction. "Northern Territories"? Russia and Kazakhstan do not have disputed territories. This is the official position of both.
    1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
      Vox Populi (vox populi) 21 June 2022 19: 31
      +1
      Reasonable remark!
    2. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 21 June 2022 21: 11
      0
      The war with Ukrainians also began with Russian media propaganda about "originally Russian lands

      The war with Ukraine began 8 years after the start of shelling of "primordially Russian lands" ....
      No shelling, no war: the iron rule...
      1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 21 June 2022 21: 50
        +1
        The war with Ukraine began a little earlier, when Poroshenko was recognized as the legitimate president. Or maybe even earlier, when people like Chernomyrdin and Zubkov were sent there as ambassadors. all the "work" with Ukraine revolved around the gas pipe. And even earlier, Khrushchev released all kinds of rabble from prisons after the amnesty. And this can be done ad infinitum.
  24. House 25 Sq. 380 (House 25 Sq. 380) 21 June 2022 21: 09
    0
    Kazakhstan cannot be reproached for having "self-determined", and does not recognize...
    Kazakhstan was not even invited to Belovezhskaya Pushcha, but was stupidly confronted with the dissolution of the USSR...
    At the same time, Nazarbayev himself, back in the summer of 1991, disciplinedly arrived in Novo-Ogarevo to Gorbachev and disciplinedly signed all the papers given to him on the creation of a union on new conditions ....

    At the same time, the "guarantor" of the pro-Russian nature of Kazakhstan is not Russia, but China ... Since the hatred for China among the Kazakhs is present in the subconscious, at the genetic level, only Turkey and the West can "replace" Russia in Kazakhstan ...
    But Turkey itself is afraid of the nationalist of Kazakhstan - it will simply not be needed by the people, believers and Turkic nationalists, and China needs the West in Kazakhstan the least: all land logistics will be covered and there will be a threat of encirclement from all sides ....

    So to be "pro-Russian" for Kazakhstan, even if Mr. Tokayev personally or the local elites do not want this...
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 21 June 2022 21: 53
      0
      The main thing is not to incite or provoke Russophobia among the Kazakhs to the "Armenian-Russian patriots" from Russian TV and the sons of lawyers like Zhirinovsky
  25. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 21 June 2022 22: 13
    +1
    The Kazakh elite, that is, from the "shala and the company" everything stolen from the people in accounts abroad. There they are threatened to be squeezed out if they do not speak and bark at Russia. So Tokaev toils. And without money, they are nobody, but their warriors themselves steal and don’t choke.
  26. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 24 June 2022 17: 28
    -3
    Why should everyone love and obey Russia? For what good deeds, or sins? Each Ivan has his own plan.
  27. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 24 June 2022 20: 04
    0
    Looking at the problem more broadly:

    CSTO summit as a test for Russia's support.
    Ramil Garifullin

    https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=41736
  28. Ivan Endless Offline Ivan Endless
    Ivan Endless (Maxim Khoreshko) 23 July 2022 07: 28
    0
    Northern Kazakhstan is a historical part of the Russian Empire...

    The author should learn history. Russia became an empire in the 16th century during the reign of Peter the Great, and back in the 13th-14th centuries, the Horde owned these lands, which took these lands from nomads who did not have statehood
  29. Tixiy Offline Tixiy
    Tixiy (Tixiy) 4 September 2022 12: 53
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    Not why but why? Patamushto paid. Scenario is one