You can break through the defense of Avdiivka with “dagger” hypersonic strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces


emergency situation, caused by massive terrorist shelling of Donetsk, forced the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, to seek military assistance from Russia, which was promised to him. If you look at the comments on similar news, it is clear that many people sincerely do not understand why, as some authors suggest, aviation is not used against Avdiivka, Marinka and Peski, where the artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have settled, which is capable of leveling them to the ground. Why is this happening and will heavy concrete-piercing bombs fall on the heads of Ukrainian terrorists shelling the capital of the DPR?


Bombing Avdiivka from the air seems to be the simplest and most logical solution, but it has its downside.

At first, over the past 8 years, this suburb of Donetsk has been turned into a continuous fortified area, filled with layers of reinforced concrete. It is unrealistic to destroy these numerous bunkers and bunkers with the firepower of the artillery and tanks of the People's Militia of the DPR.

Secondly, it is there, in the suburbs of the capital of the DPR, that the most combat-ready forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard of Ukraine are concentrated, in particular the 25th airborne brigade of the Airborne Forces. The total number of the Avdiivka garrison is estimated, according to some sources, at 30-40 thousand people. These are professional soldiers who, since 2014-2015, have been trained for a “blitzkrieg” to capture Donetsk and conduct urban battles in residential areas. They use a very competent tactic of conducting artillery shelling of the neighboring metropolis: they roll out large-caliber artillery and MLRS from protected shelters, hit squares and quickly roll them back into cover.

Thirdly, just like that, it is impossible to take and raze Avdiivka to the ground for purely humanitarian reasons: before the start of hostilities, 80% of its inhabitants left this suburb of Donetsk, but the remaining 20% ​​remained there. These are people who either have nowhere to run, or they are simply not able to do this due to their age or serious illness. From carpet bombing, which would have been the simplest solution, the Avdiivka garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is saved by the same “human shield” built from its own fellow citizens.

In addition to everything else, we must not forget that for more than three months, the special operations of the RF Armed Forces and the RF Aerospace Forces have not been able to 100% reset the Ukrainian air defense systems. The most powerful ones, like the S-300, are now covering Kyiv and Odessa, but in the Donbas, in addition to numerous MANPADS on hand, the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have such serious systems as the Buk air defense system. Of these, you can easily shoot down not only passenger Boeings, but also Russian front-line bombers and attack aircraft. Theoretically, long-range strategic bombers can be adapted for dropping heavy concrete-piercing anti-bunker bombs. However, our Tu-160 "White Swan" and Tu-95 "Bear" are missile carriers, an integral air component of the "nuclear triad". As a matter of fact, the "strategists" and so regularly deliver missile strikes on the targets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without entering the zone of operation of the Ukrainian air defense.

Due to the impossibility of processing the Avdeevsk fortified area and similar aircraft, it remains to begin to gnaw through it with heavy-duty large-caliber artillery and mortars, to conduct a counter-battery fight. But there are big problems here too. As the relevant Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov recently acknowledged, Russia approached this large-scale war not fully prepared, since there are not enough drones in the troops:

I think that we have belatedly engaged in the serious introduction of unmanned vehicles. This is objective. Although the Syrian conflict prompted us to do this... We have almost all types of unmanned vehicles: reconnaissance, strike, tactical, operational and operational-tactical.

Yes, there are UAVs, but there are either very few of them, or they are prototypes. So, for conducting urban battles, the Russian military would now very much need reconnaissance and reconnaissance-strike drones capable of staying in the air for a long time and conducting surveillance. Having found an artillery battery that had entered the position, the UAV could quickly transmit data for target designation to its own counter-battery crew or a kamikaze drone like the Lancet or KUB. Alas, it must be admitted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, supplied by the NATO bloc, even surpass the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this component.

So, what do we have in the bottom line? Trying to raze the Avdiivka fortified area with aircraft will be dangerous for the Russian pilots themselves, while thousands of innocent civilians of the DPR who remain in this settlement will inevitably suffer. Conducting an effective counter-battery fight is hampered by the shortage of specialized unmanned aircraft. It remains only to gnaw through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine step by step with the help of heavy artillery and large-caliber mortars. However, there is still an option to "disappoint" the terrorists from Avdiivka with aviation.

Recall that on March 18, 2022, the Kinzhal hypersonic aviation complex was used for the first time to solve a real combat mission. The MiG-31K supersonic fighter-interceptor acted as the first booster stage for an aeroballistic missile, which at hypersonic speed hit the “Stalinist” underground bunker in the Ivano-Frankivsk region, which was turned by the Ukrainian Armed Forces into a protected warehouse of aviation ammunition and fuel. The enormous kinetic speed of the "Dagger" made it possible, even with a conventional warhead, to literally "fold" all the interiors of the most powerful reinforced concrete bunker.

The question arises, why not start targeted use of hypersonic missiles on the fortified area in Avdiivka, where the most “frostbitten” Ukrainian artillerymen settled down?

The MiG-31K will be able to shoot at a stationary target without even entering the air defense coverage area. And what kind of modern air defense, available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, will be able to intercept the "Dagger"? The Avdiivka garrison hides from retribution in protected bunkers, considering themselves completely safe. Also in the underground shelters there are warehouses with ammunition, which are fired daily in Donetsk and its suburbs. Instead of carpet bombing, it would be enough to “surgically” work out with hypersonic missiles the most important objects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, “piling up” the bunkers together with all their contents.

The inability to defend yourself is a strong demoralizing factor. If we add to such hypersonic air strikes the constant work of Malkami and Tulips, the Ukrainian fortified areas can be cleared much earlier than expected.
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  1. GIS Offline GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 17 June 2022 16: 01
    +4
    I hope this happens in the coming days
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 17 June 2022 17: 51
      0
      Quote: GIS
      The question arises, why not start targeted use of hypersonic missiles on the fortified area in Avdiivka, where the most “frostbitten” Ukrainian artillerymen settled down?

      Do you know the exact layout of the bunkers? Or do you think that Russia has "Daggers", like shoe polish at a shoe polish factory, in order to "point" wet, into the white light, like a pretty penny?
      The main problem is in the transmission of coordinates when artillery enters positions. At a minimum, aerial photography of dill positions is needed. For sure, where they leave, it has been trampled down to the bare ground (for 8 years they leave the same places). Aim at these positions in advance and at the first shot - wet. But on the ground, smart guys, they can guess for themselves. In any case, aerial reconnaissance and Betabs are needed according to the identified exits.
      1. skeptic Offline skeptic
        skeptic 17 June 2022 18: 26
        +4
        Quote: skeptic
        At a minimum, aerial photography of dill positions is needed.

        Just opened the Yandex map of Avdiivka (northern part) In the industrial zone, in one warehouse, part of the roof is raised vertically. Unfortunately, I could not attach a photo (they don’t publish it or I’m doing something wrong) Ideal. He raised part of the roof, fired a volley, closed it - look for fistulas.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 19 June 2022 09: 58
          0
          Quote: skeptic
          Just opened the Yandex map of Avdiivka (northern part)

          Yandex maps do not work in real time. Satellite images are updated no more than once every three months. And that's not all.
          "Use Yandex map"
          1. skeptic Offline skeptic
            skeptic 19 June 2022 20: 08
            0
            Who's talking about real time? Apparently, in the last picture, such a feed came across. If you look closely and you can transmit the coordinates... let ours pay attention. Still, it's better than waiting until they enter the territory and finally find out. By the way, the Ukrainians also seem to have had a hand in the opening roof of the BZHRK. The solution is not secret, but it seems to work.
      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 June 2022 19: 59
        +5
        Do you know the exact layout of the bunkers? Or do you think that Russia has "Daggers", like shoe polish at a shoe polish factory, in order to "point" wet, into the white light, like a pretty penny?

        All this has long been known. Avdiivka is a suburb of Donetsk, everyone in the DPR knows where everything is located.
        It is enough to hit a couple of the largest and most protected targets.
      3. GIS Offline GIS
        GIS (Ildus) 20 June 2022 17: 29
        0
        are you sure you're answering me?
    2. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
      Yuriy88 (Yuri) 18 June 2022 11: 39
      +1
      Putin answered everyone, including the author of the article, who was diligently gaining the number of printed characters .. "bypass and leave surrounded in the rear .." (approximately so) .. It's easier, (arguing quite frankly and cynically) it's easier to put several houses on the scales and killed civilians in Donetsk, than to put hundreds of military soldiers of Russian and militia (trained not only for the needs of Donetsk!) During the storming of Avdiivka. It is necessary to liberate not only Avdiivka, and not only Donetsk will be shelled! This is the logic of war and its laws.
  2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 17 June 2022 16: 12
    +3
    We must not just talk about it, we must do it, and immediately, we must get ahead of the enemy, not give him the slightest opportunity to seize the initiative.
  3. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 17 June 2022 16: 27
    +6
    They took Azovstal, surrounding it and depriving it of supplies. The same must be done in Avdiivka. If the blockade ring is not closed, then the shelling of Donetsk will not only not stop, but will only increase
  4. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 17 June 2022 16: 32
    +11
    There are a lot of “why” in this operation, why, for example, bridges across the Dnieper are still operating, because during the retreat the Ukronazis will blow them up anyway, then why then they allow equipment and ammunition to be brought up, maybe someone will explain this or again everything is done with an eye on Daraga partners
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 17 June 2022 18: 35
      +7
      Quote: rotkiv04
      There are a lot of “why” in this operation, why, for example, bridges across the Dnieper are still operating, because during the retreat the Ukronazis will blow them up anyway, then why then they allow equipment and ammunition to be brought up, maybe someone will explain this or again everything is done with an eye on Daraga partners

      Well, we can assume that the metallurgical magnates complained about the lack of metal, therefore they raised the prices for rolled products for the population. Apparently they decided to provide them (broken Soviet, foreign, Russian equipment). The further the more. And cement plants, enterprises producing ready-mixed concrete are not touched (and these are new fortified areas, and new heaps of stuffed weapons). Damn it. There is no other way to explain.
  5. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 17 June 2022 16: 49
    +6
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation demonstrate helplessness, admitting the existence of the Avdeevsky UR. All references to reinforced concrete are not from a great mind, this is generally about nothing!
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 18 June 2022 08: 18
      +10
      When they talk about the so-called "fortified areas" of Ukraine, they roll their eyes at the pronunciation of the phrase "from" reinforced! concrete" type, in the idea of ​​some such structures in the form of the "Maginot Line", "Atlantic Wall" or Finnish pillboxes "millionaires". And then, when these captured lines are shown, what do we see? And we see ordinary trenches, even from above not covered, in some places reinforced concrete floors from building slabs (I have a foundation in my country house from such), ordinary dugouts for rest and storage of supplies from the same slabs. That's the whole "terrible" "fortified line". There are no normal drones for correction, artillery is not equipped with fast and accurately calculating computer data with automatic input of this data. As the militias themselves say, they are forced to open sighting fire, But they have excellent artillery and shelling detection stations - they instantly spot our artillery and immediately, with the very first volleys, they cover it.And they can’t gouge it with planes for the same reason - there are no exactly aimed ammunition and to launch ordinary ones, you have to enter the zone of the Kaklyatskaya P VO, which, according to the vigorous reports of the Ministry of Defense, is already almost "destroyed" and "ineffective".
    2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 18 June 2022 14: 04
      -4
      Yes, everything looks much better from the couch than on the battlefield. How many sofa commanders are you here? Have you ever held a gun in your hands, strategist?
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  7. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 17 June 2022 18: 43
    -5
    There chemical production. "Wetting" is very fraught with disaster. Just surround...
  8. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 17 June 2022 18: 45
    +10
    It is necessary to radically change the policy of the war in Ukraine. Even before the start of hostilities in Ukraine, there should have been an adequate answer - something flew to Donetsk, which means something must fly to Kyiv so that no one feels safe there ..., I'm not talking about the shelling of Belgorod and Kursk regions. We need to start with this, and at the same time gnaw through the defenses in Avdiivka. Enough to stand on ceremony with the shortcomings in Ukraine!!!
  9. Nikolai A Offline Nikolai A
    Nikolai A (Nikolai A) 17 June 2022 18: 48
    +1
    The Lithuanians chipped in and bought bayraktar from the Turks for Svidomo for $5.5 million
    We will also sell, no problem.
    Business.
    Are we throwing off?
    So what?
    There are none of their own.
    Now, if you hang 50 bayraktars with planning ammunition over Avdiivka, then not a single scumbag will stick his nose out.
    And so they take advantage of our weakness.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 18 June 2022 09: 37
      +7
      Nikolai, Irina Allegrova did just that. I bought thermal imagers for our guys with my own money (hello to the "pontorez" Chemezov and his office with "efficient managers" ...).
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 18 June 2022 11: 31
        +3
        Exactly, but for now, only the conversations of all sorts of talking heads from the military-industrial complex, their bravura reports to the President about big plans and actively ongoing work on the serial production of new weapons, including UAVs, but in reality everything is completely different and there is no need to be big military expert, so as not to see all this.
  10. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 17 June 2022 19: 53
    0
    The question arises, why not start targeted use of hypersonic missiles on the fortified area in Avdiivka, where the most “frostbitten” Ukrainian artillerymen settled down?

    A dagger is not a projectile from a D 30. If, for example, there is a MLRS or a bunker 10 meters from a high-rise building, then what will remain of this high-rise building, even if the Dagger hits the target with jewelry? Have you seen the funnels from the Dagger? There are plenty of pictures on the net.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 June 2022 20: 01
      +4
      Unless someone offers to work on the areas?
      High-rise buildings are already being demolished there, just like in Mariupol. There will be absolutely nothing left of Avdiivka if the matter drags on.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 17 June 2022 20: 57
        +1
        I didn't write about squares. And if you do not pay attention to the houses, then there are toys, such as Peony (aka Malka). Just for such purposes. And orders of magnitude cheaper. And ammunition from the time of the USSR is simply unmeasured.
    2. cooper Offline cooper
      cooper (Alexander) 18 June 2022 00: 49
      0
      And what does it change. The author is XNUMX% right.
  11. FGJCNJK Offline FGJCNJK
    FGJCNJK (Nikolai) 17 June 2022 22: 05
    +5
    Quote: rotkiv04
    again, everything is done with an eye on other partners

    Exactly! And then, where are the blows to the decision-making centers? And what are the Russian guys dying for? And Ramzan Akhmatovich, what does he think about this and why do our Chechen brothers risk their heads every minute?
  12. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 June 2022 22: 49
    -1
    In general, now everyone writes reasons why not ....

    They have already modestly forgotten about the fact that they previously wrote that the tank detachments of the LDNR themselves would sweep away ukrov into the Black Sea ....
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 17 June 2022 23: 21
      +2
      About what was previously written that tank detachments of the LDNR themselves will sweep away ukrov into the Black Sea , already modestly forgotten ....

      Serge, you wrote about this, if my memory serves me (and it does not change me, because I read it from you).
      Maybe you can point me to another source of this nonsense?
      I look forward to it. winked
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 June 2022 16: 45
        +1
        Ulysses (a strange non-Russian callsign), this was stated by the "expert" Kedmi, which was cited here on the site ... Many others also spoke similarly

        And what many do not remember what was written in the media recently is their choice

        For many, the main thing is to find fault with commentators, and not discuss articles ...
        1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
          Vox Populi (vox populi) 18 June 2022 17: 34
          +1
          Earlier, some leaders of the LDNR also announced their readiness to reach Kyiv ...
  13. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 18 June 2022 00: 47
    +4
    This tough question regarding Avdiivka personally to Putin V.V. has long been overdue. What is he pulling, people are dying, Donetsk is being destroyed ...
    1. Pilot Offline Pilot
      Pilot (Pilot) 18 June 2022 06: 13
      +5
      Yes, everyone has a lot of questions.
    2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 19 June 2022 09: 21
      -1
      Do you want to put thousands of Russian guys? Well, come on, run to the front line, show how to fight.
  14. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 18 June 2022 06: 12
    +1
    Thermal bars should be hit if the distance allows.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 18 June 2022 12: 13
      +2
      We have special power ammunition in our arsenals, for example, a high-power aviation vacuum bomb (AVBPM) - the father of all bombs, in terms of its effect comes close to low-power tactical nuclear weapons, within a radius of 300 m. It is guaranteed to destroy any fortifications and structures, why not not to use such ammunition, or we again recall humanity and tolerance here, but in this case, these concepts should not exist in principle, because the enemy, no matter what, does not give up and fiercely resists, while our guys die every day, what here to hell can be humanity, what tolerance!!!
      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 19 June 2022 09: 26
        -2
        And how to deliver this bomb there? Haven't thought about this question? There are a bunch of Buk-1s and S-300s, they will instantly overwhelm any plane. No matter how cynical it may sound, the life of Russian children is more precious than the lives of the inhabitants of the LDNR. When this group is completely surrounded, then after a short time they will run out of ammunition and, accordingly, the shelling will stop. We have nowhere to hurry. These great commanders during the Second World War could put thousands of soldiers to take an unnamed height. The mustachioed leader said that women still give birth. Now they value the lives of their soldiers and officers.
  15. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 18 June 2022 08: 15
    -2
    This is popularly called: "from a very expensive cannon to sparrows"! Reading this was beyond my powers. Even Putin said yesterday that we would not hack. Expensive and materially and "spiritually." The area will be taken by encirclement and subsequent "suffocation" with the impact of powerful bombs and the heaviest artillery. Or by forcing the Ukrainian leadership to peace.. This is how it will turn out.
    And who has a lot of questions for Putin, that is, Vysotsky's classic:

    A rifle to you, and send you into battle,
    and you're sipping vodka with me...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 June 2022 19: 53
      0
      It would send you there
    2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 19 June 2022 09: 28
      -1
      So who is writing here? Children and housewives. 90% did not even serve as privates in the army, but here they are great sofa commanders.
  16. RB Offline RB
    RB (RB) 18 June 2022 10: 08
    +2
    This area is not taken for one reason - to stop shelling of Donetsk, people will say, well, that's enough to fight, the city is saved. And so everything has a formally legal right to continue hostilities.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 18 June 2022 19: 52
      0
      Who cares about people's opinion?
  17. Antey Offline Antey
    Antey (Andrey Telichko) 18 June 2022 11: 16
    +3
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Do you know the exact layout of the bunkers? Or do you think that Russia has "Daggers", like shoe polish at a shoe polish factory, in order to "point" wet, into the white light, like a pretty penny?

    All this has long been known. Avdiivka is a suburb of Donetsk, everyone in the DPR knows where everything is located.
    It is enough to hit a couple of the largest and most protected targets.

    APUshniki do not know? They sit in the same bunker and wait for the "Dagger". wassat We do not consider the most obvious answer to the question why dill is allowed to hammer in Donetsk? Because Putin doesn’t care, he may not even know about the problem, simply because they don’t report to him, because the one who manages the reports doesn’t care. He has his own priorities.
    Why is it not written anywhere about the exchange of "Taira" from "Azov" ?! If I'm not mistaken, this is the one that, in an attempt to escape from Mariupol, shot the parents of two children and pretended to be their mother. And now she's back home! After such a monstrous crime in terms of cynicism! And you ask why Avdiivka will not be "closed"?!
  18. Alexander J. Offline Alexander J.
    Alexander J. (Alexander) 18 June 2022 11: 41
    0
    You can’t reset arsenals, psheks are on the way, and the whole Nata is in line !!!
  19. akm8226 Offline akm8226
    akm8226 18 June 2022 11: 53
    -1
    They put labas on the wrong horse. And then they are surprised, they say, but why are we?)))
  20. oberon2000oberon (Evgeny Tikhonov) 18 June 2022 14: 09
    +2
    This is "dagger" nonsense. There is an old, from the time of the Second World War, but still a trouble-free way to suppress fortified areas. It is called "1000 guns per kilometer of the front." I believe the Russian army can afford it in a particular area. And the effectiveness of the KR, including hypersonic ones against field fortifications, is greatly exaggerated. They are not designed for this.
    1. oberon2000oberon (Evgeny Tikhonov) 19 June 2022 09: 48
      +2
      I'll add: just don't babble about "multi-story bunkers" (how long will they stay there if the upper levels are broken and filled up?). And about "humane considerations" is also not necessary, because this is nonsense, it's like chopping the tail in parts so that it "does not hurt so much".
  21. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 18 June 2022 15: 03
    -1
    Donetsk and the DPR must liberate their territories, Russia only helps, but with everything it can. This is in legal terms. You need to put the right emphasis. And it turns out that Russia liberates its own territory for the DPR. Donetsk certainly know where and what is on their territory. The prisoners from the Armed Forces of Ukraine also know this.
  22. vvnab Offline vvnab
    vvnab (Vitali) 19 June 2022 00: 41
    +1
    That is, the bombing is unacceptable for humanitarian reasons, but the MLRS and heavy mortars are acceptable?
    Where is the logic?
  23. kefi Offline kefi
    kefi (Irutup) 19 June 2022 01: 49
    +2
    Budget surplus, this is reported from all irons, and that drones cannot be purchased from Israel, Turkey, China ?????????
  24. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 19 June 2022 09: 52
    0
    So surround them and let them sit there for at least 100 years.
  25. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 21 June 2022 18: 40
    +2
    Why launch Daggers on Avdeevka, let's immediately apply a ballistic missile with a hypersonic unit Avangard, Russia has as many as six of them in service!
    With great difficulty, it is hard to believe in stories about the impregnable fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because during the 4 months of the war, none of the footage of the chronicle (I watch them from various sources) showed these "impenetrable concrete casemates" where the Nazis were hiding.
    Almost everywhere there are ordinary trenches and dugouts made of logs, boards and auxiliary materials.
    Why is the shelling of Donetsk not stopped?
    My personal opinion is that the whole problem is the poor training of DPR artillerymen who do not know and are not able to conduct counter-battery combat.
    While the intensity of shelling was low, for every shelling from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the DNR responded sluggishly, and it suited everyone, whether they hit or not, it doesn’t matter.
    No one even thought of forming several batteries of 152 mm guns for counter-battery combat, inviting experienced artillery officers (not for 15 rubles of course) to form an artillery reconnaissance service, targeting the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from where they are firing.
    In a combat situation, an artillery battery costs a whole battalion, but it seemed to be more profitable for someone to maintain "trench inmates" for 15 thousand per month than to form combat-ready artillery units capable of giving a decent response.
    It became clear to everyone about the fictitiousness of the Minsk agreements in 17-18, only the Armed Forces of Ukraine used this time to learn how to fight, and in the republics they learned to keep statistical reports properly (how many mines and shells flew in, where they fell, what was destroyed, how many victims ....) then on TV the "talking head" will tell about everything.
    1. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 23 June 2022 22: 33
      0
      They all said it right. I have the same thoughts. It is for this "army" of the DPR, consisting of "trench inmates" and brought to degradation, that the leadership and command of this republic must be dispersed or imprisoned. They are primarily to blame for the deaths of Donetsk residents.
  26. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 21 June 2022 20: 02
    0
    We need a law for Ukraine.
    It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
    Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples.
    The presence of the Law will designate the goal, give certainty about the future to the citizens of the Russian Federation and citizens of Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime.
    All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    Referring to the Law, many military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will go over to the side of the Russian Federation, there will be less blood.
  27. Elephant Offline Elephant
    Elephant 22 June 2022 10: 29
    +1
    Or maybe it is necessary to transfer the factories for the production of UAVs to round-the-clock work? Ukraine excels in drones. disgrace
  28. Elephant Offline Elephant
    Elephant 22 June 2022 10: 53
    0
    And instead of the expensive Dagger, Iskander will not do?
  29. Evgeny_8 Offline Evgeny_8
    Evgeny_8 (Evgeny Stupak) 22 June 2022 22: 02
    0
    There is a coking plant, a shitty cloud of chemistry, you probably can’t go there with a dagger.
  30. badavim Offline badavim
    badavim (Badavi Musaev) 23 June 2022 13: 59
    +1
    A system of bunkers built in 8 years, over a large area, to be destroyed with piece rockets? The best option, I really think to take it into the ring and slowly squeeze it. In terms of UAVs, we are far behind Ukraine. If there were enough of them, including shock troops, then the problem of Avdiivka would have been solved long ago. They would have hung over Avdiyivka for days and immediately destroyed whatever came out.
  31. art573 Offline art573
    art573 (Artyom Vladimirovich Yarovikov) 23 June 2022 20: 57
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    There are Solntsepek, Pinocchio and other similar TOS systems. Avdiivka needs to be razed to the ground long ago, and Russian systems can do it. The author of the article writes some kind of crap, defending the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian army. There are completely different systems for striking and destroying artillery systems, they just don’t do it ... There is, after all, the Head of the Main Directorate of Artillery and Missile Forces of the Russian Army, he has MANY assistants, units personally subordinate to him, who can make a march and inflict such a blow that it will not even be possible to move there and use the roads and all logistics support ... The weakness of the leadership of the Russian Army is visible only from this episode, the mediocrity of the head of this department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is generally off scale ...
  32. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 23 June 2022 22: 15
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    roll out large-caliber artillery and MLRS from protected shelters, hit squares and quickly roll them back into shelter

    As for "quickly", you need to ask the residents of Donetsk, Gorlovka, and other cities of the DPR, who often have to be under continuous half-hour and hour-long shelling. And then, when the rescue and repair services arrive to eliminate the consequences, they start shooting again at the same places. This suggests that there is no organization of counter-battery struggle in the DPR. As well as the fighting efficiency of the "people's militia", which has been marking time in one place for four months now near this ill-fated Avdiivka. All these stories about "solid reinforced concrete" are not confirmed by any video material from the already captured positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In fact, they show ordinary trenches and trenches with dugouts for shelter. It would seem that in 8 years the command of the DPR and its authorities should have studied all the habits of the enemy, places of deployment, combat positions, firing points, where he hides and uses equipment, artillery and manpower. There were no secrets to be left. An no. The next shelling for them is still a surprise. And the Bandera people shoot at people whenever and wherever they want, almost with impunity. One gets the feeling that our army is helpless, that it does not have a radar for counter-battery combat, a lack of UAVs, poor intelligence and untrained artillerymen, if they cannot determine their exact coordinates and suppress them even in half an hour of operation of enemy batteries. Where are these our "hawks", "penicillins"? Do they not exist or do they not know how to use them? So at least protected communication radios were distributed to our people on the other side of the front, so that they transmitted information about the movement, shelter and advancement of Nazi artillery. And firing "daggers" at the fortified area, as the author suggests, or, as we are doing it now, firing iskanders at individual MLRS, air defense systems, this is out of hopelessness.
  33. Olga Ru Offline Olga Ru
    Olga Ru (Olga Grenz) 24 June 2022 14: 18
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    I think that they need to be caught on their weakness - money. Since they are afraid that they can be caught by detachments, and the commanders want glory and are drugged, they will look for loopholes, when the very terrible Russians begin to negotiate with money, the fear of standing to death will dissipate. Why can Americans do it and we can't? In the leaflets, promise not only to surrender, but also to pay half at the beginning, half after, for the surrender of a particularly large group to these special warriors, give contacts of Viber or another source, discuss the number of people who have gone over to our side; negotiate other conditions, that firstly they are not paid, they are detained, secondly we have powerful weapons and our side is waiting ...
  34. When Koba Thrice the Greatest took Koenigsberg, he demolished the Teutonic fortifications with 300-mm cannons! That would be useful now! Hey, spy general Sir Borisoff, get busy!