Why won't Russia raze the Avdeevsky fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the ground?


On June 13, Donetsk was subjected to the most powerful artillery strike since the beginning of the conflict, the DPR representative office in the JCCC said yesterday. More than 300 heavy shells, including rocket artillery, were fired by Ukrainian fighters on the capital of Donbass in just two hours. Residents of the city hid in basements and underground passages all day, afraid to go outside.


I would point out here that there have not been shellings of this intensity not only since the start of the NMD, but in general in the entire 8-year history of the armed conflict in Donbas, since 2014. On the evening of June 13, the bloody pandemonium continued, as a result of a massive artillery strike, including from howitzers supplied by NATO countries, at least 5 people were killed (including a woman with a child), more than 30 were injured. Basically, the blow fell on non-military facilities, hospitals and infrastructure facilities (trolleybus depot, etc.). On the morning of June 14, the valiant heroes of the ukrovermacht continued what they had begun, inflicting a missile attack on Donetsk, Makeevka and Yasinovataya from positions in Avdiivka. In the direction of residential areas, the militants fired 40 BM-21 Grad MLRS rockets. As a result of shelling in N. n. Zaitsevo suffered housing construction on the street. Heroic, as well as the building of kindergarten No. 74. During the shelling of the Kirovsky district of Makeevka on the street. Shevchenko in the village. Dugouts wounded four civilians. On June 13, the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, turned to the Russian Federation for help, asking Moscow for additional allied forces.

I will not write here that such barbaric shelling of civilian facilities, such as the maternity hospital at the hospital. Vishnevsky, do not have military goals or objectives, rather they are purely political or optional military. Even the Ukrainian press writes about this, which, reluctantly, admits that the strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are carried out in violation of the rules of war, in violation of humanitarian law. I will cite only the words of the Donetsk people themselves, with whom I have been corresponding in a private chat for all these 8 years (sorry, with the preservation of the style of the authors):

gene: And our fighters are thrown out of hospitals in order to treat carrion from Azovstal ... They still need to organize a traveling circus in the pre-trial detention center ...

Igor: And who shoots Donetsk? Zelensky? No, Ukrainian criminals who do not have the right to life.

I tried to object:

Igor, as a former commander of the most terrible weapon in service with the Ukrainian Reich, the 203-mm self-propelled 2S7 "Peony", I can tell you who is shooting you. Specifically, only one division of the BM-21 "Grad" shoots you - these are two vehicles with 40 barrels on a gun carriage, 2 people each. crew in each, plus SOB - senior battery officer. Total: 5 people. Plus one battery 9K57 "Hurricane" - this is generally one machine carrying 16 barrels on a carriage, 4 people. crew, plus GDS. Total: 5 more people. Plus, a battery of NATO 155-mm M777 howitzers is three more barrels, 7 people each. servants each, plus SOB, total: 22 people. In total, as a result, we have: 32 ushlepki, who do not even see who they are shooting at, because target designation gives SOB. That's the whole fortified region of Avdiivka, which has been terrifying you all this time. You also say thank you that other self-propelled guns of the flower series - 122-mm 2S1 "Carnation" and 152-mm 2S3 "Acacia", which previously worked for you, ended with BC (2S7 "Pions", you, thank God, did not have due to barrel wear, which only the Russian Federation does).

If I were you, I wouldn’t curse the Ukrofascists, but I would ask Denis why this fortified area has not yet been razed to the ground? The Russian Federation has EVERYTHING for this! I know how it's done. Near Kharkov I saw with my own eyes - my ground was shaking and the 5-storey building was shaking, and I was 20 km from the place of the attack. Rocket fire lasted 2 hours non-stop, the red glow was half the sky, and it was night. This is how the RF Armed Forces work when there is an order. Why there is no order to raze Avdiivka to the ground, I don't know!

Igor: Each of these 32 organisms knows where they are shooting, at least approximately ... The officers know exactly where they are shooting, and they know that they are engaged in terrorism, but they were appointed ... Appointed the highest leadership, which was chosen by the people, i.e. you! Why the Russian Federation spits on us, I don't know. Probably, sacred sacrifices are needed... And for whom? For the West? So they have been singing for a long time that we are shelling ourselves ...

gene: I'm sure that without Zelensky's knowledge there would have been no shelling. Why the Kremlin is inactive, I don’t know either. If they had once banged on Bankova or de-energized Kyiv for a couple of days, it would have been more effective than covering the art warehouse. I’m not saying that for a long time no one remembers that citizens of the Russian Federation are being killed, although, starting the SVO, they only talked about this.

Igor: I agree - they know where they are shooting, at least approximately.

I tried again to argue, but all in vain:

They don’t know from the Grads - weapons of indiscriminate fire, they work in areas, although in dense urban development it is difficult to miss, and fly somewhere. I’m not sure about Zelensky, he’s nobody in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, others are in command there. One thing I can say for sure - if the Russian Federation didn’t like it, then this wouldn’t have happened, it’s impossible to intercept Grads in the air, like Tornadoes, but it’s possible to raze to the ground and flood the fortified area where they are located with glass wool, and for this RF has EVERYTHING

gene: Leverage from the Russian Federation to immerse the ukroreich in the Middle Ages with a shaft, but everything is like in a parade with them - they still play nobility with the Nazis ...


The question - why the Aerospace Forces, MLRS and Iskanders do not work in Avdiivka, remains open. "Iskander" will silence anyone, this is the most terrible weapon, except for nuclear weapons, which the Russian Federation has, why it is not used in Avdiyivka, I do not know. In Kharkov, for example, they used it.

The weapon that everyone fears!


In order not to be unfounded, in my defense I will say that I do not at all call for storming the Avdeevsky fortified area in the forehead, laying down fighters and dispersing forces. I am also in favor of outflanking him, leaving him behind, and forcing him to surrender due to the futility of resistance (the 25th brigade of the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, reinforced by artillery and MLRS, holds the defense there). But to make them shut up, so much so that they could not raise their heads, is entirely within our power. And if we cannot smoke them out of their concreted long-term fortifications in depth even by the forces of our Aerospace Forces with their high-power concrete-piercing bombs (I’m not even talking about MLRS and heavy-caliber artillery), then the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are armed with such weapons, which before convulsions, up to hiccups are feared by all our enemies. I'm talking specifically about the development of already Russian gunsmiths, our pride is the Iskander OTRK.

This operational-tactical missile system, even according to our enemies, is the most dangerous among all non-conventional weapons that we have in service. Thus, The National Interest believes that the Iskander OTRK is the most dangerous weapon of the RF Armed Forces, since it has a very low barrier to non-nuclear use, and the long range of missiles and their ability to overcome missile defense can immediately lead to huge damage in the event of Iskander strikes airfields, logistics centers and similar facilities. Experts compare the massive use of the Iskander OTRK in terms of the scale of damage with the consequences of NATO bombings.

And here they do not at all exaggerate the striking power of the OTRK, since it simultaneously carries two missiles of different characteristics - Iskander-M and Iskander-K. The first is a high-altitude (up to 50 km) super-maneuverable (withstanding overloads up to 20-30 g) quasi-ballistic missile with stealthtechnology, dropped by an electronic warfare module and false targets (to bypass missile defense systems), with a firing range of up to 500 km. The second is the R-500 aeroballistic cruise subsonic missile with an ultra-low flight path (up to 6-7 m) and copying the terrain, the combat range is also officially 500 km, but no one knows exactly how much (the Pentagon suspects that from 2 to 5 thousand km).

The tactical use of the Iskander OTRK may include the simultaneous strike of the Iskander-M quasi-ballistic missile and the Iskander-K cruise missile to destroy highly protected targets. Our domestic expert, whom many here know, Konstantin Sivkov, believes that a salvo from the Iskander OTRK division is capable of destroying an entire US missile defense position area. Let's take his word for it. The Iskander OTRK uses mainly various cluster self-aiming submunitions to destroy enemy fortifications, but potentially OTRK missiles can also use tactical nuclear warheads (I think this will not come to the 404th).

Some authors of The National Interest and the Jamestown Foundation believe that the tactical characteristics of the Iskander OTRK are moving from defeating individual targets to a strategic advantage with Russia's ability to win in the local theater of operations in the so-called "Anti-Access Zone" (Anti-Access) concept. /Area Denial, A2/AD). Some foreign experts believe that the radius of the Iskander OTRK is significantly higher than the capabilities of the OTRK and NATO divisional artillery, therefore, there is a risk of causing unacceptable damage to NATO troops from the divisions of the Iskander OTRK even before NATO divisional artillery reaches the distance of the ability to fire. Indeed, the main NATO OTRK of the MGM-140 ATACMS type has a range of 200-300 km, which is significantly less than the Iskander OTRK.

There are opinions of experts from The National Interest that NATO ground forces cannot effectively fight the Iskander OTRK without incurring unacceptable losses, so aviation is supposed to be the main means of fighting the OTRK. However, an additional complication is the concept of using OTRK known to NATO analysts as “escalation-de-escalation”, which lies in the fact that in the event of a tactical success of NATO (escalation), the Iskander OTRK switches from delivering conventional strikes to tactical nuclear weapons again until delivering unacceptable damage resulting in stopping the continuation of the NATO operation (de-escalation). As you can see, our “partners” have nothing against Kostya Saprykin, I am already silent about their Ukrainian wards.

Analysts considering scenarios of possible local conflicts between Russia and countries with weak armies point out that an Iskander attack can quickly decide the outcome of a local war at the very beginning, since the destruction of local air defense radar positions known from electronic intelligence data opens up the opportunity for the Russian Aerospace Forces to start to massive bombardments by means of Su-34 and Su-24. In addition, the destruction of airfields, command centers, warehouses, barracks and hangars with equipment at bases by Iskanders turns the regular army into disorganized forces without centralized supply and control during the first minutes from the start of the conflict. The destruction of bridges by Iskanders and the risk of attacking troops in columns on the march limit the possibility of both maneuver and the arrival of reinforcements to breakthrough areas. In general, as some Western authors note, the scenario for the use of Iskanders is similar to the massive use of NATO cruise missiles at the start of an attack by weak armies, but cruise missiles can be destroyed by advanced air defense, while the Iskander itself is a means of destroying air defense. I would advise reading this paragraph to all those who do not see the difference between the NWO and the war. In the event of a declaration of war on the 404th, it would have been completed, as our sworn "friends" in the Pentagon expected, in 72 hours. But we prefer to play with non-brothers, as Gena said, to play nobility.

So that you understand that I am not joking, emphasizing the destructive power of the Iskanders, I will give only a few types from its large arsenal of combat units (warheads). "Iskander" can use a wide range of cluster warheads, allowing you to immediately hit a large area target, such as a military base, airfield, air defense / missile defense system. On average, 1 kg of fragmentation cluster munitions affects about 32 m², i.e., the estimated area of ​​destruction of the Iskander by a fragmentation cluster warhead is about 15 m² (that's almost two football fields!). The impact area varies depending on the type of cluster munitions and can be much lower for cumulative or volumetric detonating, but these munitions do not work in areas, but pointwise on armored vehicles or infantry / vehicles located in shelters.

I will not cite warheads designed to defeat enemy manpower and light armored vehicles (take my word for it, there is zero chance of survival, they penetrate armor up to 20 mm and their 54 fragmentation elements of non-contact detonation flying with a piercing whistle, exploding at a height of 10 m, from which no trenches and light armor can save, will be the last thing their victims will hear in their lives, since these cluster elements are partially controlled, are dropped from a height of about 0,9-1,4 km and plan, guided by the commands of the remote fuse 9E156 "Umbrella", which works on the built-in radio altimeter, rotating due to the location on the side of the combat element of the laser rangefinder that scans the surface). I will give only what we need to smoke the non-brothers out of their ambush and make their life unbearable. This is a volumetric detonating cluster warhead for destroying manpower and equipment hiding among buildings or in long-term fortifications. In terms of volumetric explosion power, the Iskander cluster warhead surpasses the ODAB-500P volumetric explosion bomb of comparable weight with continuous destruction and ignition of objects within a radius of 30 meters due to the fact that the generated gas cloud of cluster elements is not spherical, but spreads along the earth.

For those non-brothers who will survive after the cluster warhead, we also have non-cluster ammunition. Non-cassette warheads are designed to destroy point fortified objects, such as command bunkers, reinforced concrete warehouse buildings, barracks, fuel storage tanks, and the like. The anti-bunker ammunition is generally similar in weight to the BETAB-500U concrete-piercing bomb, due to kinetic energy and a hard shell designed to break through reinforced concrete floors up to 1,2 meters thick and detonate indoors. High-explosive fragmentation warheads, which are generally similar to bombs of comparable weight, such as the KAB-500, and hit lightly armored vehicles at a distance of 70 meters, and easily vulnerable vehicles, such as dug-in vehicles as part of air defense systems and communication centers, at a distance of 200 meters , I'm not even bringing it here.

After a massive volley of the Iskander OTRK division, only scorched earth and the simplest bacteria remain. If you still polish all this with a volley of Tornadoes, then there will be no bacteria left (in Kharkov they did it!). Please note that the range of destruction of the Iskander OTRK allows you to use it along Avdeevka even from the territory of the Russian Federation, you don’t need to drive it back and forth at all. And even more so, it is not necessary to use nuclear warheads with tactical nuclear weapons for this. For non-brothers with a head, ordinary ammunition is enough to make the living envy the dead. It is no coincidence that the Poles threw a tantrum at us when Putin threatened them for bad behavior with the deployment of our Iskander OTRK in the Kaliningrad region (the 152nd Chernyakhov missile brigade with 12 Iskanders carrying 24 missiles in a salvo has already been standing there since 2018) . Now the Finns at a low start are waiting for their turn. If Turkey does not block their entry into NATO, then they will wait. And what, one wonders, do people itch? We lived for ourselves, did not grieve, did not know grief, and here it is on you - I want to join NATO. Apparently, the example of Ukraine teaches nothing.

Well, we can repeat for an encore. I think that in six months there will be a sharp decrease in those wishing to join NATO. The example of Ukraine will make many people think. On this report on Avdeevka finished. Your Mr X.
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  1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 15 June 2022 18: 19
    +9
    Why won't Russia raze the Avdeevsky fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the ground?

    - Yes, who knows - why! - They probably don't want to!
    - One can only say with complete certainty - that if Zelensky had "Caliber", "Daggers", "Iskanders" - then the Armed Forces of Ukraine would now bring down all this on the peaceful cities of the LPR and DPR; and on the territory of the Russian Federation; and on the position of the RF Armed Forces !!! - They also use their "point-U" constantly "in any case"!
    - Today, Zelensky is constantly begging the West for weapons like Caliber, Daggers, Iskanders! - And he can succeed in these "begging" of his!
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 16 June 2022 11: 52
      +4
      Quote: gorenina91
      Today, Zelensky is constantly begging the West for weapons like Caliber, Daggers, Iskanders! - And he can succeed in these "begging" of his!

      Who can explain the stupid reluctance of the Russian Defense Ministry to bomb all the bridges across the Dnieper? Saving refugees? Violation of food supplies to the left-bank Ukraine? Nonsense is utter nonsense!!! On the Dnieper, as on any river, there is a sea of ​​watercraft. The supply of heavy weapons will be cut off. At least, they are sharply slowed down, which will lead to the accumulation of potential targets on the right bank. The logistics of foreigners will be loaded with the delivery of pontoons, which will reveal new goals.
      Why are cement plants and enterprises with the ability to produce ready-mixed concrete not destroyed? These are the new "Avdiivka and Mariupoli" all over Ukraine. This is a sea of ​​dead people and thousands of tons of ammunition.
    2. Anatol21 Offline Anatol21
      Anatol21 (Anatol21) 19 June 2022 17: 19
      +3
      I can assume that the destruction of the Avdeevsky fortified area depends only on one person - Putin, his cowardice in front of "partners", alas. The reference to big responses is just an excuse, or the victims of Donetsk are not so valuable in front of the Avdeevka "civilians" am
    3. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 20 June 2022 22: 42
      -1
      gorenina91. According to the agreement with Russia, he has no right to use these weapons. Zelensky was told so directly in the face - you shell Moscow, we will launch a rocket right into the toilet for you. He understands the Bank of Russia will not joke. Mr X knows what opera to sing. Flowers drop their petals on the sand. No one knows how lonely his path is. He is tired of warming himself by someone else's fire and he knows that there is a heart somewhere, that he will love him without melting on the table, there is pepper for fate grass.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 June 2022 18: 46
    +18
    The author himself seems to answer: if they didn’t equalize, then someone needs it!
    What could be? the same as all 8 years before. Artificially maintain tension. An extra trump card in their hands - they shoot and shoot, they say, around the city ...

    The author himself writes: there are not many people there, they shoot at the coordinates given out from the outside.
    They promised to kill everyone a long time ago, but in Russia the coolness of promises is compensated by impunity for their non-fulfilment - such a tradition
    1. Antey Offline Antey
      Antey (Andrey Telichko) 16 June 2022 13: 12
      +4
      Promises are nothing more than promises. There is no task to stop the shelling. This is not shooting at the Kremlin. Typical cynicism of the authorities, who left Donetsk and Luhansk in the enemy's close range in 2015. This is to keep the leadership of the republics for a soft spot.
      1. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
        assault 2019 (assault 2019) 21 June 2022 19: 28
        +1
        This is to keep the leadership of the republics for a soft spot.

        Why did the leadership of the republics themselves not form artillery batteries for counter-battery combat?
        Why did not provide intelligence of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and nat. battalions?
        Why didn’t the DPR artillery destroy the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Avdiivka during the 4 months of the war, also the Kremlin forbade it?

        Ensuring the safety of citizens is the main task of the leadership of the republics, if they do not fulfill it, but only scribble reports from where to where and how many flew in, what is the Kremlin to blame for here?

        There is no long-range artillery, they would have formed sabotage groups and from ATGMs, RPGs and Bumblebees they would have long ago shot and burned all the positions of artillery and MLRS from which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are shelling Donetsk.
        Everyone in the Donbass seems to know where and what is located and where they are shooting from, except for those who are supposed to know it.
        If the leaders of the republics are busy with other, more important things, in their opinion, than the security of citizens, then there is no need to blame problems on a healthy head.
  3. doc8673 Offline doc8673
    doc8673 (Vyacheslav) 15 June 2022 19: 37
    +7
    I’m wondering why ours don’t unhook the whole of Ukraine along the border in order to block any Western assistance to the Ukrainians?
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 16 June 2022 12: 08
      +3
      Quote: doc8673
      I’m wondering why ours don’t unhook the whole of Ukraine along the border in order to block any Western assistance to the Ukrainians?

      Purely for reference, the perimeter of the border of Ukraine is several times the length of the line of confrontation between the allied forces and the Ukronats. How do you imagine a real blockade of Ukraine from NATO countries? How many troops are needed for this, how to supply them? Are you willing to be there? For example - on the border of the Lviv region and Poland? Or ride in a supply convoy? By the way, the main losses of the initial period of the NWO fell precisely on transit.
  4. Yuri Neupokoev Offline Yuri Neupokoev
    Yuri Neupokoev (Yuri Neupokoev) 15 June 2022 19: 38
    +7
    Avdiivka is kind of like chemical plants - there are a lot of nasty things there (this is in addition to the Natsiks). If you bang thoughtlessly, then it may well be an eco-catastrophe, which we don’t need at all. Maybe this is the reason.
    The military knows better, but the resources are clearly insufficiently allocated to the NWO. It is obvious. Yes, and there is a lot of chaos in the army. Plus the "human factor" of individual leaders, which is costly, especially in war.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 15 June 2022 20: 41
      -1
      there is nothing obvious there ... roughly speaking, specific plans are known only to God and Putin ... the scheme for dividing the ruin into three parts has already surfaced and it is not a fact that the statement that a Ukrainian is a brother to a Russian is as true as those that they will be accepted into the EU and the whole world with crests. exclamations from the LDNR that the brothers, godfathers, matchmakers and others "deceived" by propaganda in the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already crossed. it is possible that in the future there will be depopulation and assimilation of the natives. Kharkiv and Kyiv are already flying by for the coming years. they may be waiting for the fate of the reservation and the final extinction. because there are three parts, and neither Russia nor the West needs crests.
    2. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 16 June 2022 05: 33
      +1
      If the problem was in chemistry, our generals would first of all voice it to justify the uselessness of all super modern weapons.
    3. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 16 June 2022 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: Yuri Neupokoev
      The military knows better, but the resources are clearly insufficiently allocated to the NWO. It is obvious.

      Have you ever had to deal with a "bully" when there is a crowd of his supporters nearby? When waving, do you constantly need to keep in sight of others? And will you put all your strength into one, not counting on the fact that the rest can join? Is it always "more visible" from the outside?
    4. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 19 June 2022 15: 39
      0
      If the Fortified area is not broken up, then it’s not a stream that flows at someone’s expense, but a river like the Volga.
  5. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 15 June 2022 19: 54
    +8
    More than 300 heavy shells, including rocket artillery, were fired by Ukrainian fighters on the capital of Donbass in just two hours.

    I wonder what the Russian Armed Forces were doing during these TWO hours: sleeping, conferring, calling Putin, was it a day off?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 15 June 2022 20: 44
      -2
      if it’s very interesting, then under a contract in the NWO ... though the tongue will be shortened with a piece of paper on non-disclosure. laughing
    2. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 16 June 2022 05: 27
      +2
      There are no turntables, no super duper drones. Once we made fun of the ISIS toy-combat quadrocopters throwing grenades at the Syrians. And now we can watch how our people throw grenades at ukrov in the same way and ... we admire!
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 19 June 2022 15: 43
        +1
        You are not in the know. Isis was banned and they were sold grenades without instructions. And our grenades with instructions are thrown, they are like Igilovites, but according to the instructions it is correct if they hit.
    3. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 16 June 2022 12: 21
      -1
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      More than 300 heavy shells, including rocket artillery, were fired by Ukrainian fighters on the capital of Donbass in just two hours.

      I wonder what the Russian Armed Forces were doing during these TWO hours: sleeping, conferring, calling Putin, was it a day off?

      The same as what the Soviet troops did during the 900 days of the siege of Leningrad.
  6. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 15 June 2022 20: 34
    +4
    We harness for a long time, but we drive fast, but as if what we were harnessing didn’t die before. But what an impulse we had that day, what inspiration when we learned that our troops had come to the aid of the rebellious and bloody Donbass. .... Let's hope that our troops are not controlled by captains and riders.
    1. svit55 Offline svit55
      svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 16 June 2022 21: 06
      +1
      Not captains and riders, but firefighters. They learned differently.
  7. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 15 June 2022 21: 13
    +10
    In this war, many "whys" can be asked, but there will still be no answer. The top political leadership, represented by the Ozero cooperative, does not consider it necessary to inform any mob about what decisions are being made and why. But after the finale of this terrible performance with elements of drama, with a funeral and the ballet "Swan Lake" on all TV channels, we will finally find out how many missiles, and from whom, the cruiser "Moskva" received on board, who and when, and for what money sold military secrets to NATO and Banderlog, which of the oligarchs and how much earned in this war, and so on down the list. In general, everything, as always.
    And in our history this has already happened, and more than once. Someone who, but Russia knows how to step on the same rake two or three times. For example, they just didn’t talk about 1941, how and why hundreds of thousands of Red Army soldiers were surrounded and captured, without leadership and without cartridges, although there were plenty of tanks and aircraft, at least comparable to their number in the Wehrmacht. Yes, the quality of equipment was not very good, but not in everything! The T-34 and KV tanks are an example of this.
    But the most important thing was something else, about which memoirists do not like to write, namely, the complete lack of communication. It was enough for the Germans to cut the wires between the headquarters for everything to collapse overnight! The blind and deaf Red Army could be taken with bare hands. The country in which the radio was invented found itself without pants at the most crucial moment ...
    In the 21st century, the army lives, I hope, without wires, but this is the only thing that pleases. The states with NATO stuffed Ukrainians with not only guns, drones and tanks, but also iPhones, and tablets, and laptops, and high-speed artillery radars, and their well-to-do oligarch Elon Musk hung satellites over the Nenka, which shine through the entire territory of hostilities day and night.
    And what about us?
    As some activists write, our soldiers on their knees, from Chinese spare parts from Ali Express, assemble drones to help themselves, their loved ones, on the battlefield ...
    But they prepared for a long time. Apparently, the concepts and theories of modern network-centric warfare in offshores, saunas, in dachas of three to five floors, are poorly absorbed by the brains of generals and senators with ministers. Yes, it’s understandable, somewhere in Abu Dhabi on the beach it’s better and calmer than on some godforsaken training ground, in some dense M u h o s o s r a n s e ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 15 June 2022 21: 35
      -4
      A drunk was captured near Moscow, throwing a wreath into the Eternal Flame, created in memory of the fallen soldiers in the city of Kurovskoye, Orekhovo-Zuevsky District

      The police quickly identified and detained the vandal, who turned out to be a 25-year-old resident of the city of Lyubertsy. He is taken to the investigating authorities.
      The prosecutor's office of the Moscow region began an investigation.

      apparently this "human" garbage also believed in the "lake" cooperative.
    2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 June 2022 09: 16
      +4
      and their well-to-do oligarch Elon Musk hung satellites over Nenka, who day and night shine through the entire territory of hostilities.
      And what about us?

      And how do the Russian non-poor "Abramovichs" help the Russian army fighting in Ukraine?
  8. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 15 June 2022 22: 43
    +4
    They can’t do this, there is an oil and gas pipeline, and this is money. And for money, in general, read Karl Marx. There he wrote what capitalism can do for profit. And women still give birth. As long as there is feudalism in the two countries, they are not subject to jurisdiction, they have not yet finalized their brains to a bright past.
  9. VladimirNET Offline VladimirNET
    VladimirNET (Vladimir) 15 June 2022 23: 41
    +1
    Quote: doc8673
    why don't ours unhook all of Ukraine along the border in order to block any Western aid to the Ukrainians?

    Because the delivery of ammunition (now) is a convoy of trucks 60 km long. Imagine that this column needs to move along the entire border of Ukraine, with the subsequent defense of this entire column, at a distance inaccessible to shelling.
  10. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 16 June 2022 05: 15
    +3
    From a cannon to sparrows when you can get by with slingshots. Where are our obsessed UAVs that supposedly can fly over enemies for days? And where are these kamikazes whose work was shown to us on video? Fake? And if not, why not apply? Kind of shameful.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 16 June 2022 08: 04
      -2
      Fake economy, and then everything else ...
  11. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 16 June 2022 08: 47
    +3
    Yes, nothing will be there for these devils, they are sitting in the basements of houses, heaps of concrete bunkers, etc. it will take a week to beat them.
    + Then there will be no stone left on stone from the village and a bunch of civilians will lie down, even more than the crests themselves
  12. Nikolai A Offline Nikolai A
    Nikolai A (Nikolai A) 16 June 2022 10: 17
    +7
    From the very beginning of the CBO, it is not clear to people why everything looks like an "agreement".
    It seems that those sentenced to death by the court are simply frightened, and soon they will be pardoned.
    Much is not clear.
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 16 June 2022 16: 40
      0
      The fish goes out from the head. Saw the bough you're sitting on. Grapes of anger ripen. And it's all about him.
  13. VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 16 June 2022 11: 40
    +7
    Who would tell me why they spare the infrastructure of Kyiv? Just two Iskanders are enough, one at a time, for Kievskaya and Darnitskaya CHPPs to force the Kyiv junta and the people of Kiev who support it to sit for a couple of weeks at the "splinter", forgetting about the Internet and TV, after which the patriotic spirit will evaporate from them in an instant.
  14. Nikolai A Offline Nikolai A
    Nikolai A (Nikolai A) 16 June 2022 12: 04
    +1
    In the Army of the Russian Federation, there is a catastrophic lack of UAVs from the word - there are none at all.
    If (yes, if only) 50 ÷ 100 strike UAVs with barrage ammunition were hung over Avdiivka at the same time, then not a single dill nose could stick out, but they are NOT.
    This view from the couch...
    In the Baltic states, $5.5 million was thrown in and the Turks bought bayraktar for Svidomo.
    Maybe we, too, chip in or pride does not allow, we will endure shelling.
  15. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 16 June 2022 12: 53
    +5
    So all the same - why are the Ukronazi murderers in Avdiyivka still not disposed of? Hello, Kremlin, how long??
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 16 June 2022 14: 39
      +4
      And in response ... silence, a rhetorical question and there will be no answer, since it is not the military who are fighting, but geopoliticians-hockey players in the Kremlin
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 16 June 2022 14: 59
      +6
      Of course, unfortunately, I’m not the Kremlin, but I can answer: while people are sitting in the Kremlin hoping to still agree with Western "partners" and save their property over the hill.
  16. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 16 June 2022 14: 38
    +1
    The author wrote a lot of words, but did not give an answer. In 2024, the presidential elections in the Russian Federation. This is the main reason for hostilities. Without a war, the liberal Putin-Medvedev system will lose 100%. The arrival of any other for them is tantamount to death, since there will be a redistribution of property and new ones will be supported by the NATO bloc. Look, Medvedev suddenly became a patriot of Russia, what happened to him. The United Russia party has fallen below the plinth. Only a war that will go on until the elections in 2024 can save the liberals.
  17. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 June 2022 15: 40
    -1
    How some people burn from the fact that the process of raking up the problem of "Ukraine named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin" is underway.
  18. Amper Offline Amper
    Amper (Vlad) 16 June 2022 16: 34
    +2
    All this is not being done, it seems to me, in the hope of concluding a peace treaty with the fascists on acceptable terms. They want to live in a "contractual world" in the children's hope EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD. And the use of decisive and destructive measures, in their opinion, will undermine this fixed idea. They are indifferent to the destruction of Donbass and the death of civilians in Novorossia and Russia, they have their own goals that are not related to our "well-being". Perhaps the business has its own interests here and there. To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear!
  19. JD1979 Offline JD1979
    JD1979 (Dmitriy) 16 June 2022 18: 38
    +1
    Such a text in terms of volume .... And the meaning ... It seems that it was done in a random text generator. I set the number of characters and in a second "the masterpiece is ready"
  20. Ivanushka-555 Offline Ivanushka-555
    Ivanushka-555 (Ivan) 16 June 2022 18: 43
    +1
    Did they really not understand the essence of Wofchik? He always didn't give a damn about little people (suffice it to recall eight years of unpunished murders of the civilian population of Donbass). To have vivid evidence of the criminality of the Kyiv fascist regime - that's why Avdiivka still exists, only thirty kilometers from Donetsk!
  21. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 16 June 2022 21: 25
    +3
    Strange war. The brave general (already a lieutenant general) reports every day on the combat successes and losses of the enemy. And in the West, they simply told the Ukrainians "we'll bring four guns" and in three days they are already hitting Donetsk. How long can you listen to nonsense about extraordinary maneuverability and camouflage in bunkers? And from ours, on TV, it constantly sounds "a shot and we quickly roll off, otherwise they will cover it," does it mean that the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is in permanent, tied positions? And our intelligence does not know about it? Yes, this is stupidity.
  22. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 17 June 2022 06: 56
    +1
    There are questions, no clear answers
  23. Avedi Offline Avedi
    Avedi (Ankh) 17 June 2022 07: 18
    +2
    Author, what are you talking about? Even the oil and gas pipelines in the territory where the war is allegedly going on are all intact. Business on the bones, nothing personal.
  24. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 17 June 2022 07: 23
    +2
    The deep knowledge of the author of the performance characteristics of all kinds of missiles is amazing ... well, it was necessary to dig up so much information !!! Appreciate, sofa guardsmen!
  25. badavim Offline badavim
    badavim (Badavi Musaev) 17 June 2022 10: 08
    +2
    Throwing Iskanders at Avdeevsky fortified area, these are not the goals. There is an acute shortage of shock UAVs here. In this case, strike UAVs are most suitable for destroying artillery, MLRS, mortars, since they do not stand still. They leave to shoot back and take cover. Counter-battery firing, or artillery firing on a tip from a UAV, could help. I think we simply do not have enough modern means of destruction to organize all this. Yes, and the enemy is prepared, equipped with modern reconnaissance equipment.
  26. Edward P. Offline Edward P.
    Edward P. (Eduard Popov) 17 June 2022 13: 13
    +1
    Most likely, they are doing it: what if the geyropa throws more sanctions, there will be no money for palaces and yachts. A shame
  27. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
    Sidor Bodrov 17 June 2022 15: 54
    0
    That's about the Finns. "... And what, one wonders, people are itching? ...". And the Finns have nothing to do with it. The State Department steers them - with threats and money, and the Finnish bought lackeys obey. And so the entire fonderlyalkin European Union - at the request of the striped ones, will eat shit out of itself. And the population - fooled - with their mouths open, listens to their lackey media about dictator Putin, who staged a worldwide karachun.
  28. Psychedelic Soldier 18 June 2022 02: 09
    +1
    There are a lot of wumniks in the comments of the level 80, reflecting on what they absolutely do not understand. And just a couple of good answers. Why are you minding your own business?
  29. obar64 Offline obar64
    obar64 (Oleg Barchev) 18 June 2022 15: 41
    0
    Yesterday at PEMF, in his speech, V.V. Putin again uttered his sacramental phrase:

    The tasks set for denazification and demilitarization will certainly be fulfilled.

    And no one dared to ask to clarify the meaning of this phrase. As it is understood, this goal is designed for the entire territory of Ukraine or only for some part of it, and if only for part of the territory, then which regions and cities will be denazified and demilitarized. When conducting military operations, clear and understandable goals are always set for each stage and approximate dates. I join the questions of my colleagues about how much longer the shelling of Donetsk must be endured, and yet our people live there with Russian passports. It seems that they are simply being avenged for what they are, and because of the Donbass, which became the trigger for the confrontation in Ukraine. And this confrontation put an end to the policy of "joining Europe", but apparently it was so desired. It seems that our leadership started this NWO not on the basis of the need to resolve the issue of Ukraine - anti-Russia, but with irritation and annoyance from the fact that entry into "civilized Europe" is canceled and now it is necessary to rebuild the entire economy and change the vector of development from the usual - "export is our everything," to move along the path of "not even import substitution, but the rejection of imports in critical areas." We all remember how the import substitution program was adopted a few years ago and what are its results - this is not a question, but a statement of the fact that at that time the country ignored this call. Let's see what happens this time.
  30. Gelos Offline Gelos
    Gelos (Gelos) 20 June 2022 03: 59
    0
    Well, here again is a series on the topic "to whom is the war ..." Or maybe the current General Staff should be CLEARED (with predilection and indicative)?
  31. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 20 June 2022 22: 32
    0
    Demolishing the fortified area is a dream. If it is demolished, the dream will disappear. How to live without a dream?!
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 21 June 2022 07: 58
      0
      Poroshenko also explained everything:

      The power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was nurtured thanks to the signing of the Minsk agreements in 2014. By this time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 6 thousand combat-ready soldiers

      In my opinion, the former president of Ukraine explained everything clearly and understandably to everyone.
  32. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 21 June 2022 23: 01
    0
    Intelligence, satellites, aviation, etc., can be destroyed, finally these calculations, civilians may suffer, but they will suffer anyway when taking Avdiivka. And do not take a single prisoner from this settlement.
  33. pan1 Offline pan1
    pan1 (Andrei) 22 June 2022 17: 25
    0
    If we adopt the detective method of Sherlock Holmes, the answer is simple - "they don't want to."
    If the stars are lit, excuse me, the shells are coming, then someone needs it.
    Hence the conclusion about the beneficiaries of this nightmare.
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  36. 89824024836 Offline 89824024836
    89824024836 3 August 2022 19: 12
    0
    Well - sensible, informative, interesting. As a former anti-aircraft artilleryman: urgent (S-60) and department, rem art. armaments I will insert my penny. Weakly touched upon the issue of wear and tear of barrels of cannon artillery and guides of the MLRS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This not unimportant factor knocks out the art. Armed Forces systems with worn-out barrels from counter-battery combat and pinpoint destruction of strong points and equipment of the armies of the LPR and DPR. These worn-out trunks, most likely, are firing into the white light, like a pretty penny from Avdiivka. From a distance of more than (10-15) km, it is problematic to apply them. In case of critical wear of the barrel, the elongation of the charging chamber allows the projectile to accelerate before entering the rifled part and cause the copper belt to break after the fuse is cocked along the live fuse, followed by the explosion of the projectile in the barrel. Perhaps after the capture of Avdiivka, our soldiers will see such guns with torn trunks.
  37. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 18 August 2022 05: 12
    0
    Our leadership is generally lacking spirit. They started the case, but something .. bench-press ..
  38. ig-mig Offline ig-mig
    ig-mig (Igor) 21 September 2022 21: 00
    0
    I'm from Siberia. It is necessary to hit on western Ukraine.
  39. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 2 January 2023 23: 32
    0
    The Russian armed forces today have a lot of means and capabilities to destroy fortified areas with high-precision non-atomic weapons. From fab-9000m, ODAB-500m bombs to various modifications of missiles, it makes no sense to even list them. But why they don’t do it, I think we will find out the reason only after the end of the SVO. But today, versions about impossibility, pity, or some other kind of nonsense simply do not roll. If you have already got involved in a war, then you need to achieve victory by any means and you need to feel sorry only for our guys who are fighting there.
  40. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 17 January 2023 13: 29
    0
    The answer to the question in the title was followed, even the approximate opinion of the author, who by the way did not sign .. A lot of quoting, a lot has been written about the performance characteristics of the OTRK Iskander, but the topic is not disclosed "Why ...." in the title. All the reasons "there is no desire, a heavily fortified area, multi-meter concrete structures, civilians and the infrastructure of the city, factories will suffer, it is not possible to break through concrete, a very large territory, there is no such weapon, etc. ..." this is all in the furnace, then fools no. It took place at the first stages of the NWO, but now there is a full-fledged war with NATO, they are shelling the territory of Russia, there is a threat to the country. If there is no order, but there is none, then at least logically explain the reason, and not tell fairy tales about many meters of concrete and a large territory. Constant shelling of Donetsk, Russia and nearby territories, civilians are dying, our soldiers are dying, even the supply of the fortified area is not interrupted, and so on. Or I can name types (not one, but a dozen) of non-nuclear weapons, the use of which, even locally, will quickly calm the activity of this fortified area or multiply it by zero. Surely there must be a reason? Such weapons were used in Afghanistan to destroy fortified areas, underground bases of spirits with underground passages under a many-meter layer of rocky soil (tens of meters), which the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not even dream of. On this topic, I would like, if not to hear an answer, then at least the opinion of an informed competent person.