Russia will have to denazify its new regions of the former Ukraine


The main goals of the special military operation in Ukraine are its demilitarization and denazification, while no one really explained what exactly this means. But if the first task can still somehow be dealt with by purely military methods through the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, then what to do with the second, there is no clarity. How is the Kremlin going to denazify Ukraine without its occupation? More importantly for you and me, how will those former Ukrainian regions be denazified, which, presumably, will join Russia itself in the near future?


The topic is extremely serious, not tolerating profanity. It is necessary to identify the most “bottlenecks” right now, on the shore, so that later you don’t tear your hair on your head, asking how it happened. To understand the complexity of the issue, one must turn to the historical experience of the denazification of the Third Reich, since the parallels suggest themselves.

Denazification farce


Formally, the denazification of the Third Reich was carried out: the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) and its subdivisions were liquidated, Nazi laws and doctrines in the education system were abolished, the promotion of such ideas was under the strictest ban, several tribunals went through war criminals. But with the denazification of the Germans themselves did not work out. Not only did many manage to sneak away and live safely the rest of their days somewhere in Argentina, but those Germans who remained in the country were treated too humanely, turning the process into a profanation.

The problem of denazification of the Third Reich was extremely acute, since at the end of the war the NSDAP had 8,5 million members, and its “subsidiaries” had another 10 million people. All those involved were divided into 5 categories: 1) major Nazi criminals, 2) Nazi criminals, 3) minor Nazi criminals, 4) fellow travelers (nominal Nazis) and 5) “persons who did not collaborate with the Nazis, anti-fascists”, who were automatically justified and denazified were not subject. Punishment depended on the degree of guilt. The general principles of denazification were defined at the Potsdam Conference, but the victorious countries carried it out in very different ways.
The fact is that defeated Germany was divided into several occupation zones.

Thus, the most lenient was the denazification in the French area of ​​​​responsibility, which was called "purification". Within its framework, three-quarters of the Nazi teachers were first dismissed from school institutions, but when the education system failed, they were all returned to their places. Only 13 Nazis were recognized as the “main criminals”, and since 1948 all former members of the NSDAP have been exempted from even nominal criminal prosecution. Such indulgence is not surprising, since very many French themselves during the Vichy regime actively collaborated with the German occupiers.

Denazification in the British occupation zone also turned into a pure farce. Former Nazi Fuhrers economics” received symbolic prison sentences of several months, and then were appointed to leading roles in managing the economy as “valuable specialists”. The discussion with everyone else was turned into a formality based on a questionnaire of 133 questions, the verification of which was soon left to the Germans themselves, who actively covered each other. As a result: 0,1% of the 12 million people surveyed were found guilty, 20% lost their posts, 75% got off with a symbolic monetary fine.

Note that the United States approached denazification using the scientific method. The well-known psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung was involved in its implementation. On his advice, the Germans were shown films about the crimes of the Nazis, forced to go to the former concentration camps, look at the corpses and rebury them with their bare hands. Some people even went crazy after that and shot themselves. Propaganda of "Western values" was carried out through controlled media, the licenses were taken away from the rest. However, the farce with questioning according to the British scheme has been preserved here as well. Because of this formalist approach, millions of criminals easily shied away from the responsibility they deserved. Everyone actively covered each other, corruption and bribery flourished. By 1949, 11 of the previously dismissed 12 Nazi teachers returned to their jobs. Almost all the "valuable specialists" of the Third Reich made an excellent career in the field of finance and the economy of post-war Germany in the American zone of occupation.

Real denazification took place only in the Soviet zone of occupation, since it was carried out by ideological anti-fascists and communists who had served time in concentration camps or returned from forced emigration. Former members of the NSDAP were deprived of their posts and not just like that, and then they also ended up in the NKVD camps. Their property was confiscated and transferred to local governments. Power passed into the hands of the Communists and left-wing Social Democrats, who took key positions in the justice and police. Nearly 100 Germans were arrested for their deeds and recruited as labor force to rebuild.

In a detailed study of the experience of denazification of post-war Germany, one has to come to the conclusion with great regret that it has essentially turned into a complete farce, and one is surprised that the grandson of the "veteran" of the Second World War, Chancellor Olaf Scholz, now clearly imitates Adolf Hitler in his speeches, and , it would seem that the refined peaceful Germans today have broken loose in their furious Russophobia, it’s not necessary.

Denazification of Ukraine and... Russia?


Now let's fast forward to our days. Obviously, without the victory and occupation of the territory of Ukraine, it is impossible in principle to denazify it. Even if some kind of agreement is signed between Moscow and Kyiv, this complicated process will turn into a sham and a farce. If we have already undertaken to denazify the Square, then it is necessary to use the Soviet experience as the most adequate. However, these are all questions of the future, when the military defeat will take place.

In the meantime, we have the opportunity to try our hand at the denazification of Russia itself, or rather, those former Ukrainian regions that may soon join the Russian Federation. Now many have euphoria in their souls due to the fact that historical justice is being restored, and the South-East of Nezalezhnaya is gradually starting to return to its native harbor. The process of distribution of Russian passports in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions has begun. It is not the first year that Russian citizenship in a simplified form has been obtained in the DPR and LPR. Undoubtedly, many do this, quite sincerely rejoicing.

But how many of them are ideological Russophobes who will soon receive Russian citizenship?

Even in the Russian Donbas itself, which separated from Ukraine in 2014, every fifth or sixth was the so-called "crypto Bandera". And what about the inhabitants of the Azov region, which until recently was considered a region quite loyal to Kyiv? Was it really enough to change the yellow and blue “cloth” to our tricolor and turn on Russian TV channels so that everyone would automatically “unbander”? No, alas. Among our new fellow citizens there will be a large “fifth column”, which has been formed over 31 years of independence and 8 years of active Russophobic propaganda. Yes, they will try to keep quiet now, but they will not give up their views so easily. The transition to Russian propaganda and the education system is, of course, a big step forward, but it is not enough.

There is a need for a comprehensive program of denazification of those former Ukrainian regions that may become part of the Russian Federation. By itself, nothing will settle down, just the problem will be swept under the carpet for the time being. Otherwise, in addition to our own "fifth column" from the domestic "liberda", which "did not understand and was afraid", we will also receive millions of fellow citizens of "crypto Bandera".

I want the message of this post to be understood correctly. The author of the lines is not against the annexation of Novorossia to Russia, on the contrary, he is in favor with both hands. But we must understand that now we will have to work closely with its population, starting right now. It is necessary to develop methods that will later be applied on the territory of Ukraine, which, apparently, will not be part of the Russian Federation, but may become part of a single Union State. Otherwise, we won't have problems later.
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  1. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 12 June 2022 13: 58
    +1
    Nothing, Sergey, as the ancient Greeks used to say, they knock out a wedge with a wedge. Remember the countries of the Warsaw Pact, and the betrayal of Mikhail Gorbachev, when he brought the entire two-million ZGV and GSVG "into an open field in the snowy steppe", leaving the leaderships of these countries loyal to us to be eaten by Uncle Sam , who immediately changed them to ardent Russophobes, and since then all of Europe, led by the United States, began to hate us, and the USSR, and then Russia became planetary outcasts, and even Yeltsin drank and sold all our strong trade and military ties with many countries of the world. We lost Ukraine 30 years ago, which was largely facilitated by our ambassadors to the "independent" - pharmacist Zurabov and accordion player Chernomyrdin, and now we will have to restore a new order on our own lands reclaimed, with a turn in the consciousness of the local of the population by 180 degrees, and God forbid that we meet the same 30 years, but in what hypostasis they will be all this time, it is up to our Guarantor and time, and our main enemy is Western Ukraine-Galicia, and this about 10 million people of the Catholic faith hostile to us, let them return to their place of former residence, to Poland, let them again crowd into the Commonwealth, and this will already be their problem.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 June 2022 14: 57
      -4
      Quote: Valentine
      now we will have to establish a new order on our own lands conquered

      Yep, Neuordnung
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 12 June 2022 15: 14
        -1
        No need to take out of context what is already in your blood.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 June 2022 15: 49
          +3
          Well, if Olezha calls our statesmen fascists, then what do you want from him?
          What's going on in this liberal's head? request
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 June 2022 17: 42
            -6
            Will you deny that the Nazis are statesmen? You do not know who the leftists are, although you consider yourself one of them. Do you know that the communists are anti-statists?
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 12 June 2022 17: 55
              +3
              Oleg Rambover, communists who develop their state in the hope that it will later be transformed into a commune where everyone is equal, can only be anti-statists in your wild fantasy.
              By the way, who are your anti-statists? laughing
            2. guest Offline guest
              guest 13 June 2022 15: 17
              0
              You have some kind of mess in your head confused communists with anarchists.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 June 2022 15: 45
                -1
                You're just not interested in the question, and climb. The goal of the communists is a stateless society, since the state is an instrument for the oppression of one class of others, and in a classless society this instrument is not needed. Communism is a stateless society.
                1. guest Offline guest
                  guest 13 June 2022 15: 49
                  0
                  Well, this is some kind of Trotskyism.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 June 2022 17: 07
                    0
                    This is Trotskyism too, but above all it is Marxism-Leninism.
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 12 June 2022 17: 58
            0
            Sergey Evgenievich, do not get infected with liberal stupidity. yes
        2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 June 2022 17: 46
          -4
          Why is it torn out. You are proposing genocide.
          1. Valentine Offline Valentine
            Valentine (Valentin) 12 June 2022 18: 04
            -1
            Well, yes, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine send "Christmas toys" to the local kids in the Donbass for "joy".
            Enough, tired of your chatter, you are our "peacemaker".
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 June 2022 15: 42
              +1
              Quote: Valentine
              Well, yes, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine send "Christmas decorations" to the Donbass, local kids for "joy"

              And in retaliation, you want to arrange a genocide of 10 million people, the vast majority of whom had nothing to do with the ATO? I still do not understand how you differ from them?
        3. guest Offline guest
          guest 13 June 2022 15: 15
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          He has certain substances in his blood that Zelensky shared with him.
  2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 June 2022 14: 07
    +2
    Quote: Valentine
    , and now we will have to establish a new order on our own lands reclaimed, with a turn of the consciousness of the local population by 180 degrees, and God forbid we meet the same 30 years

    This needs to be done right now.
  3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 June 2022 14: 22
    -5
    Real denazification took place only in the Soviet zone of occupation, since it was carried out by ideological anti-fascists and communists who had served time in concentration camps or returned from forced emigration.

    But for some reason, the surge of neo-Nazism in the 90s occurred precisely in East Germany, the former GDR. And where there was profanity, there was no such revelry at all.

    In the meantime, we have the opportunity to try our hand at the denazification of Russia itself.

    In some century I agree with the author. The denazification of Russia is probably too much, but the problem of the defashization of Russia rises to its full height. For example, the author adheres to right-wing views and his statements are quite extreme.

    How interesting does the author see this process in Ukraine? With concentration camps and gallows?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 June 2022 14: 29
      +3
      But for some reason, the surge of neo-Nazism in the 90s occurred precisely in East Germany, the former GDR. And where there was profanity, there was no such revelry at all.

      Oh really? That's what Scholz is straight crippling, shaking his fists like Hitler, talking about the greatest army in Europe.

      In some century I agree with the author. The denazification of Russia is probably too much, but the problem of the defashization of Russia rises to its full height.

      distort, liberal Olezhka smile It was about new regions that will join Russia.

      For example, the author adheres to right-wing views and his statements are quite extreme.

      I am leftist. Right, just one step away from the Nazis, it's you, Olezhka. smile

      How interesting does the author see this process in Ukraine? With concentration camps and gallows?

      Concentration camps and gallows in Ukraine have long been created by those whom you, Olezhka, so obviously sympathize with. For example, a secret torture room in Mariupol called "Library" and many other unpleasant places.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 June 2022 11: 03
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Oh really? That's what Scholz is straight crippling, shaking his fists like Hitler, talking about the greatest army in Europe.

        Do you define neo-Nazism on the fists? If you want, I will provide you with a selection of Putin from the fist. In my opinion, even the film was "this is our city" about the problem of neo-Nazism in eastern Germany.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        distort, liberal Olezhka It was about new regions that will join Russia.

        I could not take advantage of this Sergey. But this does not negate the fact that there is a fascistization of the Russian Federation. Won below dear 1_2 proposes to solve the Jewish question, I do not know definitively or not.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        I am leftist. Right, just one step away from the Nazis, it's you, Olezhka.

        The left, by definition, cannot be an imperialist militarist, the left, by definition, cannot call for an imperialist war, the left, by definition, is for freedom of speech and cannot welcome the closure of independent media, the left, by definition, is internationalist and cannot speak out like the problems of Ukrainians do not bother them. All this is characteristic of the right. What's left about you?

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Concentration camps and gallows in Ukraine have long been created by those whom you, Olezhka, so obviously sympathize with. For example, a secret torture room in Mariupol called "Library" and many other unpleasant places.

        Is this the same as going to the "basement" in the LDNR? I have always said that the parties in a civil conflict stand against each other.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 12 June 2022 14: 27
    +1
    Judging by the way our prisoners are "kissed in the open", everything is designed for the fact that it will resolve itself. Remember, I don’t remember exactly how our help was distributed in Melitopol or Berdyansk, and the Bandera people filmed them on the phone. And they also threatened that the people would not take this help. And what did our military do with these Bandera people? Just had a conversation and let go! Ukraine is not Crimea, where 97% supported Russia. And then, a pensioner was recently convicted of desecrating a grave. There are at least 50% of such stubborn people. Putin wants to stay with us, everything is "white and fluffy", so nothing serious will be done there!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 June 2022 14: 32
      +1
      Yes, with this approach, there will be big problems ahead.
  5. argo44 Offline argo44
    argo44 (mac) 12 June 2022 14: 56
    0
    In the first parliament of the GDR, more than 70 percent. the deputies were former soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht

    maciejsynak.blogspot.com/2021/05/spisek-drugowojenny
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 June 2022 15: 29
      0
      Alas, they got through...
      100% denazification did not happen anywhere, there were no other German people at that time, but the greatest results were achieved in the Soviet zone of occupation.
  6. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 12 June 2022 15: 00
    -2
    first you need to de-ionize the Russian Federation, this is an internal enemy and it will not allow denazification of Ukraine, even more - it will contribute to the hidden Zion banders and separatism in the regions of the Russian Federation, inciting national conflicts, etc.
    this enemy, like a cancerous tumor, has penetrated everywhere: into state structures, state theaters, the media, even in the business show they crap ... Shevchuks and other pastry chulpans with zemfirks openly call (at the command of the CIA, fearing to lose visa-free and grandmothers over the hill) for a boycott protection of the Russian people of the LDNR and in general the national interests of the Russian Federation. it seems that for the Tsar they are an inviolable caste of the self-chosen, who are allowed to desecrate everything sacred to Russians, even the monument to the Motherland
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 12 June 2022 15: 21
      +1
      he mixed everyone ... crests, Tatars, ... "down with the tsar", etc. can you give me a jump rope? the fact of depriving singers by mouth and others of the right to enter Russia for 50 years passed by the ears?
      1. 1_2 Offline 1_2
        1_2 (Ducks are flying) 13 June 2022 23: 52
        -1
        I listed only enemies with Russian passports, and I don’t give a damn about the rest, where they are not allowed there. Shevchuk-makarkas continue to spoil in the Russian Federation, posners - comb and urgant and other blue ones from Channel 1 have already returned to them, to help, but why should they be afraid? the self-appointed Tsar gave them a Russophobe letter of protection - let them continue to pour shit on for state grandmothers, including in your ears
  7. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
    Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 12 June 2022 15: 53
    +1
    This "every sixth" will still have five-sixths of the pro-Russian residents themselves! So it won't really come out to "roam around" with these "crypto-Banderites"!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 12 June 2022 15: 56
      +1
      in 2014 they roamed ....
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 12 June 2022 17: 05
        0
        Well, then this revelry was encouraged by the local authorities.
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 June 2022 20: 39
    +3
    All this is unpredictable.
    If we recall that one of our very famous politicians was a friend of Dudaev, and out loud called the Russians a synonym for "Artiodactyl Mammal", and many others also spoke out or participated in something nationalistic - and they didn’t get anything for it, then ...

    it will be like in the LDNR - the Communists are crushed, trade unions and labor movements too, the Russian spring is canceled, Edro and the oligarchs rule everything, the poor population and, possibly, the Cossack guards with chevrons, God is with us" ..
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 June 2022 07: 29
      +1
      All this is unpredictable.

      Everything is quite predictable, as war was predicted back in May 2014.

      it will be like in the LDNR - the Communists are crushed, trade unions and labor movements too, the Russian spring is canceled, Edro and the oligarchs rule everything, the poor population and, possibly, the Cossack guards with chevrons, God is with us" ..

      And there will also be a fifth column of crypto-Banderists, who will quickly sing along with such a liberda, like our Olezhka, and will be used at a difficult domestic political moment to build up the situation.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 June 2022 07: 51
        +3
        The war, yes, now everything is visible in hindsight, Purposefully prepared, full of analyzes on the Internet ..

        Both crypto-Banderists and liberda will be .. Poverty, lies and imperialism are very conducive to this, in any country.
  9. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 13 June 2022 10: 27
    0
    And what does the author intend to do with the population of another Ukraine, which will have to be cleared of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 June 2022 17: 54
      +1
      We have Putin decides everything, let him think. He has millions of advisers and scouts, super duper professionals.
      If someone needs my advice, let them contact me directly.
  10. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 13 June 2022 11: 49
    +2
    If part of the territory is left under the outskirts, then nothing will work in any case, only the annexation of the entire territory, maybe with the exception of the Galician region, let the Poles deal with them. Otherwise, the Galicians will again pollute not only the new outskirts, but also the annexed territories and the war will be inevitable, but it will be another war
  11. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 13 June 2022 12: 36
    0
    The virus of Ukrainian nationalism has spread too much to "swallow" it along with the territories. As part of the Russian Federation, it will boil and decompose society from the inside. And even a successful economic recovery will not be able to kill this virus, because the carriers of the virus will think that it would be better as part of the EU, that their future was stolen from them.

    Therefore, the only way to kill the virus is by comparison - between independent western Ukraine and those regions that will become part of the Russian Federation. This comparison will be illustrative not only for the east of the "former" Ukraine, but also for the most nationalist Ukraine.

    Let them, without the industrialized eastern regions, build their own Ukraine. This Ukraine will become a cesspool for everyone who is better not to have as a citizen of their country. It is the complete independence and self-sufficiency of Western Ukraine that will force Ukrainian nationalists to prove their worth by economic achievements, living standards - in comparison with the eastern regions. If this comparison is not in favor of the West, Ukrainian nationalism will disappear.