Each subsequent offer of Putin to Kyiv will be worse than the previous one.

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Among the near-political Russian public, it is widely believed that each subsequent proposal by the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin is worse for partners in terms of conditions than the previous one. Now representatives of the Ukrainian authorities can once again be convinced that this opinion is quite reasonable.


A source close to government circles told the publication "News"that in the event of a new round of negotiations between Ukraine and Russia, the issue of the further fate of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will not be discussed with representatives of Kyiv.

Moscow was ready to stop the special operation back in March, during the negotiations of the delegations in Antalya. Then Ukraine itself offered a neutral status and security guarantees without including Donbass and Crimea. Vladimir Putin was ready to take this step, but the West put pressure on Ukraine, and therefore Kyiv withdrew its offer

- the source explained this attitude of the Kremlin.

The new agreement between Moscow and Kyiv, if it sees the light at all, will no longer include the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, the issue on them has been resolved.

At the same time, the Kremlin refuted Moscow's similar approach on the Ukrainian track.

No, it's not like that. This is wrong information.

- said the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

Recall that the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are actually under the control of the Russian armed forces. The military-civilian administration of the Kherson region earlier publicly proclaimed a course towards integration with the Russian Federation. Similar sentiments take place in the Zaporozhye region.

On the example of Crimea, it is already known that the Russian leadership will listen first of all to the local residents and respect their choice. It is this approach that also explains the rejection by the Russian side of any negotiations on the issues of these territories without a direct dialogue between the leadership of Ukraine and the population of Zaporozhye and Kherson region.
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  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 7 June 2022 10: 45
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    It is likely that the Pentagon will liquidate Zelensky in the near future (like Kiva talked about this) in order to put Zaluzhny or another representative of the Kyiv authorities in his place in order to have time to negotiate with Russia on securing territories upon the presence of troops. And then, if the Russian Federation agrees, then everything will be on the current borders. The West wants to leave the Odessa and Nikolaev regions behind for access to the Black Sea. And let the inhabitants of Odessa and Nikolaev think about where it would be better for them to live. This has already happened before, when, under the next peace treaty with Poland, Chernigov remained with Poland. And how the inhabitants of Chernigov lived there - now they remember with a shudder. It is quite possible that even now Odessa and Nikolaev can fall under Poland in the event of its confederation with Ukraine.
    1. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
      Sydor Kovpak 7 June 2022 13: 14
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      Or the elimination of Zelensky will provoke the entry of the Polish army. Although they will remove Zelensky, they will put in a new Gauleiter, what do we care about Zelensky.
  4. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 7 June 2022 11: 01
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    Quote: Bulanov
    It is likely that the Pentagon will liquidate Zelensky in the near future (like Kiva talked about this) in order to put Zaluzhny or another representative of the Kyiv authorities in his place in order to have time to negotiate with Russia on securing territories upon the presence of troops. And then, if the Russian Federation agrees, then everything will be on the current borders. The West wants to leave the Odessa and Nikolaev regions behind for access to the Black Sea. And let the inhabitants of Odessa and Nikolaev think about where it would be better for them to live. This has already happened before, when, under the next peace treaty with Poland, Chernigov remained with Poland. And how the inhabitants of Chernigov lived there - now they remember with a shudder. It is quite possible that even now Odessa and Nikolaev can fall under Poland in the event of its confederation with Ukraine.

    Russia may simply not recognize the legitimacy of the newly appointed "president" and continue moving west. Poroshenko's confession was a mistake. It's never too late to correct your mistake.
  5. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 7 June 2022 11: 31
    +1
    Well, yes! Lavrov said that the more long-range weapons the Bandera people have, the further they "will have to" move the borders.

    So UkroReikh with curators can "get to Istanbul" to the English Channel, and even about Kyiv ... Fortunately, there was plenty of time to get hired as dishwashers by Ukrainians. And there - "who did not hide, I'm not to blame"
  6. Igor Viktorovich Berdin Offline Igor Viktorovich Berdin
    Igor Viktorovich Berdin 7 June 2022 11: 38
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    No concessions to the West. We act only in our own interests. I will even say more. Russia should be least of all interested in the opinion of the population of Ukraine. The security of Russia is important to us. we were told: Suitcase-station. So the return line arrived .... Who wants to go to the EU - buy a ticket and go ....
  7. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 7 June 2022 13: 46
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    MOSCOW, June 7 - RIA Novosti. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov, commenting on the media report about the refusal of the Russian Federation to discuss the status of Zaporozhye and Kherson in negotiations with Ukraine, said that "it's all wrong, this is wrong information".
    Earlier, Izvestia, citing a high-ranking source in the Russian Federation, reported that in the new agreement with Ukraine, if Kyiv nevertheless makes contact with Moscow, the status of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will not be discussed, just as the issue with Crimea and Donbass.
    "No, it's all wrong. This is wrong information," Peskov said in response to a request to comment on the media report.
    During the special operation, the Russian military took control of the Kherson region and the Azov part of the Zaporozhye region in southern Ukraine. Civil-military administrations have been formed in the regions, Russian TV channels and radio stations have begun broadcasting, and trade ties with Crimea are being restored. On May 25, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the simplified admission of citizens of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine to the citizenship of the Russian Federation. Citizens are not required to hand over a Ukrainian passport, a copy of it is sufficient. After filling out the documents, they are sent to Russia for a special check, after two or three months a person can become a citizen.

    https://ria.ru/20220607/kherson-1793720759.html
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 7 June 2022 14: 44
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      What? Again!?
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 7 June 2022 14: 57
      -1
      And again the mustachioed blizzard carries.
  8. Mks7 Offline Mks7
    Mks7 (Maksim) 8 June 2022 00: 36
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    Most likely the line which now will not change much. Deliveries of Western art systems are not yet massive, they simply allow Moscow to evaluate their effectiveness. But if the Kremlin indicates the threat of access to Transnistria, the supply situation will change dramatically and the losses of the RF Armed Forces will increase painfully. The West will not allow Kyiv to be cut off from the sea, as the geopolitical potential of Ukraine without the sea falls significantly. From Zatoka to the entrance to the Sevastopol Bay, 130 miles, anti-ship missile batteries completely lock the Black Sea Fleet fleet, for example.
    1. Igor Viktorovich Berdin Offline Igor Viktorovich Berdin
      Igor Viktorovich Berdin 8 June 2022 08: 57
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      It will change. Ukraine must be liquidated as Anti-Russia. Otherwise, this is not a victory. This is our defeat, just stretched out in time. The United States will arm even the remaining, small part of Ukraine, up to nuclear weapons. Russia and Anti-Russia cannot exist for a long time. Someone must disappear. Russia is not going to disappear.
  9. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 8 June 2022 04: 58
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    Some brainless rulers must understand that without the liberation of the entire Ukrainian territory of the Russian land, there will be no denazification. And there will be a reverse process.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 8 June 2022 15: 43
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      Well, I think GDP thinks like that, but about the rest...I'm not sure that they will agree to denazify.