Russia-Ukraine: no peace, no war


It would seem that quite recently the media policy and experts "on both sides of the barricades" summed up the results of the first days and weeks of a special military operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine. Then - the first month, the second ... The other day, 100 days have passed since its beginning. Such a date is considered to be symbolic, significant. After this period, they are already beginning to evaluate the activities of the presidents and governments that have recently come to power, the work of newly created companies or organizations. Still, people love symbolism and are very susceptible to the influence of the "magic of numbers" ...


As for the SVO, it is not so long for an event of this magnitude, which inexorably divided the lives of millions of people into before and after, a lot of things really fit into the period - hopes and disappointments, successes and failures, victories and defeats. I will not even try to analyze the purely military aspects of the special operation - for this there are specialized professional experts, they have the cards in their hands. In the literal and figurative sense. Let's talk about how the events that began on February 24 have changed the life of Russia and Ukraine, as well as about the hopes, fears and other moods that reign in them after hundreds of days that have passed without war and without peace.

Russian fatigue...


I will briefly talk about Russian realities, because I can only judge them indirectly, by media publications, posts on social networks and official statements by politicians. Based on all this, the NWO had practically no significant impact on the existence of a huge country. Western "crippling sanctions" turned out to be not so terrible at all (at least for now), mobilization (even in the most truncated form) did not happen, the battles rumble somewhere far away ... All this, after 100 days, gives a completely predictable effect - the initial jolt, which led to a certain outburst of patriotic feelings in some and an uncontrollable attack of panic in others, is a thing of the past. Emotions fade, fatigue from the topic sets in, SVO turns into everyday life, and, so to speak, “background”, in reality it does not affect the vast majority of people at all. This has already happened more than once, including the Afghan campaign of the USSR, the operation in Syria ...

Yes, "ours" seem to be fighting - but "somewhere out there, in the distance, across the river." According to recently published monitoring data from Russian media and social networks, interest in the special operation has already decreased by almost half, judging by the number of publications and posts. Alas, it never became the Patriotic War of our days. To a large extent, in my opinion, this is facilitated by the extremely vague and contradictory position taken by the country's leadership. Yes, there are constant narratives about “protecting the inhabitants of Donbass,” but what exactly it should consist of, and most importantly, to what extent the Russian army should reach in fulfilling this task, is completely unclear. "Demilitarization" and "Denazification"? Regarding the first, sorry, it's better not to stutter. For contrary to the promises made many times to smash the weapons coming to Ukraine from NATO countries before they are put into action, the Armed Forces of Ukraine stuffed them a hundred times more in the past days than in the previous 30 years of “independence”.

Reducing the concept of denazification to the liquidation of battalions like Azov, recognized as extremist and banned in Russia, cannot cause anything but at least deep bewilderment among people who think. And with this, by the way, everything is also far from “thank God” - the story of the Hydra and Hercules is repeated in all its “glory”. Poisonous heads grow back in a new way - instead of the militants destroyed and captured in Mariupol, new ones rise into the ranks. The vile formation is reborn before our eyes. That is why it is not at all surprising that in Russia the voices of those who are trying to convince their compatriots are beginning to sound more and more loudly: it is time to “stop” in the Donbass (well, maybe also part of the South of Ukraine). No, how much can you? Enough! We are tired! The DPR and LPR were saved, the inhabitants of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions were released - and the rest without the sea, industry and other things will scatter themselves (they will die of hunger, Zelensky will be dumped, and so on - underline the necessary).

To a large extent, the spread of this point of view is also facilitated by the constant statements about some kind of “peace agreement”, about negotiations with Kyiv, which are allegedly “frozen” (but not stopped!) purely through his fault. We are wholeheartedly for it. Such messages are heard from people not at all of the last category - either from Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, or from the speaker of the Federation Council of the State Duma, Valentina Matvienko, or even from the Kremlin. True, from the same Duma, words of a different kind are periodically heard - for example, about the annexation of the liberated territories "without any limit" and the like. However, in Kyiv they prefer to listen only to the Russian "peacekeepers", and therefore they are firmly convinced that Moscow does not even expect to achieve a final and complete military victory, and therefore all its efforts are reduced only to "making peace on the most favorable terms for itself." ".

... And Ukrainian hatred


That is why in Kyiv they repeat over and over again that “they will not make any territorial concessions”, that they will “fight to the last”, regardless of losses and costs. Shouting this, they squint over their shoulders towards the West: do they hear? Do they believe? Will they throw more money and weapons? Alas, they will throw it up - and how. I won't go into details, but the opinion of that very "collective West" that Russia actually opposes today has changed completely not in its favor over the past 100 days. And, let's just say, not for the benefit of the NWO. Initially, after the rapid rushes to Kyiv, the siege of Chernigov and Kharkov, our “sworn friends” measured off a few days, if not hours, of existence for the Kyiv regime and, as usual, insisted that “they would not interfere for fear of escalation.” Today they are talking with might and main about the possibility of a "military victory for Ukraine." And they do their best to ensure it.

A very clear example is Germany. In March, she did not want to transfer the decommissioned anti-tank systems to the “non-destructible”, and now she is ready to send her tanks, air defense systems and self-propelled guns. The position of our main enemy, Washington, has also undergone a no less striking and dangerous transformation. Deliveries to Kyiv of really serious MLRS and the accompanying statements that “the Ukrainians themselves will determine their range” leave no room for double interpretation. Zelensky’s regime, including all state bodies and, above all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is on the full financial support of the “Western partners” and they are not going to close the project without a fight, in which huge funds have already been invested and continue to be invested. Even the statements that periodically sound today from some of their representatives, in which “conciliatory” notes begin to slip again, are nothing more than a manifestation of the desire to take some kind of “time out”, during which Ukraine will be armed to the teeth, mobilized and completely reformatted for total war against Russia.

Separately, it should be said about the mood prevailing there now. I would very much like to write about the “overflowing cup of popular anger” directed against the Ukronazis and the puppet regime that has dragged the country into a bloody and hopeless confrontation. Or about panic, which marks the complete unwillingness of the absolute majority of Ukrainians to take up arms and die "for the glory of the nation." Alas, it is not. First of all, it would be as absurd to talk about some common state of mind for the entire territory controlled by Kyiv, as to measure the notorious “average temperature in a hospital”. Now there are three completely different Ukraine.

The first is its “front-line” regions, which feel to the fullest extent all the “hardships and hardships”, disasters and dangers that inevitably accompany any armed conflict. There people do not think at all about anything but survival. Most of them don't really care who comes - the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Russian army. The main thing is that they come "for good" and no longer shoot. It is clear that the destroyed houses and other property destroyed by "arrivals" no matter from which side (and often it is not possible to determine it, especially when sitting in the basement), does not contribute either to the support of the NWO as such, or to the understanding of its lofty goals. Western Ukraine is a completely different story. There, in the war, they are cashing in with might and main, being in almost complete safety. No one rushes to the front from there, preferring to nightmare the Russian-speaking "come in large numbers", from whom they tear three skins. There is also the rest of Ukraine, whose inhabitants are suffering more and more from problems accumulating every day. Lack of fuel, rising prices, loss of work and, with it, livelihoods. All this in no way adds optimism and peace of mind. And on top of the constantly accumulating stress in the minds and souls of these people, dill propaganda is hammering and hammering, climbing out of its skin to explain to them who exactly is guilty of everything that is happening.

The same Kyiv, in which I personally am, lives a seemingly normal life, which is distinguished from the “pre-war” one only by the lack of gasoline, a rather symbolic curfew and a reduced time for the sale of alcohol. In comparison with March, when MLRS and artillery batteries stood in the yards, and all the streets were blocked by checkpoints with armed and completely inadequate "theoreticians", life almost went back to normal. That's just in the city is accumulating intensely pumped hatred. It is all hung with self-made posters and official billboards of completely cannibalistic content, cursing the Russians, threatening them, calling for their destruction. Even if you do not take into account the abundance of profanity, for a normal person to see this coven of animal malice is unbearable. However, hundreds of thousands, millions of people are “boiled” in all this - and not only in Kyiv, but also in Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Nikolaev, and many other Ukrainian cities.

By the date of 100 days from the beginning of the NWO, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry burst into pathetic statements about the “defeat” and “punishment” of Russia. In Poland and Britain, by this day, they are mockingly saying that "no goals of the special operation have been achieved." They are sure that they will not... If the self-confidence of Kyiv and its Western masters is not broken, the special operation will turn into a protracted process in which "hundred days" will replace one another, as now - days, weeks and months. If the SVO is interrupted before the complete victory over the Ukronazis, then the bill will go for years. And this will already be the time of no special operation, but of the real war itself.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 6 June 2022 09: 31
    -3
    That is why it is not at all surprising that in Russia the voices of those who are trying to convince their compatriots are starting to sound more and more often: in the Donbass (well, maybe also parts of the South of Ukraine) it’s time to “stop”

    Nonsense. There are no such conversations among the population.
    And I didn’t hear from politicians, I didn’t read. The wave is raised by "journalists" who heard or read something somewhere.
    At the same time, everything is distorted from and to. It is clear that the "horror stories" go with a bang. MASS MEDIA. like urine, disposes of waste.
  2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 6 June 2022 09: 32
    -3
    the war against betrayal and Nazism of the aboriginal ruins has been going on for several centuries ... How is Shevchenko talking about shingle? kill your children because their mother is Polish? it’s not a fact that even genocide will fix them, but denazification is like a pellet to an elephant.
  3. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 6 June 2022 09: 34
    -2
    To a large extent, the spread of this point of view is also facilitated by constant statements about some kind of “peace agreement”, about negotiations with Kyiv.

    Yes Yes. Like in this offer. The media constantly writes about the negotiations. But where are the facts? Who is speaking? When and where did he speak?
    The media does not report this. Creates a virtual reality, and then fights with it and sometimes even wins.
  4. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 6 June 2022 09: 38
    -5
    Russia to end the war "on favorable terms" have to to play for raising the stakes, namely, to decide on the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Yes, this will finally formalize the split in the world, but there is NO other way out. Otherwise, deja vu, the second Afghanistan (
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 6 June 2022 09: 38
    -2
    Such messages are heard from people not at all of the last category - either from Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, or from the speaker of the Federation Council of the State Duma, Valentina Matvienko, or even from the Kremlin.

    Give a link to a source in which, over the past two weeks, the listed persons or someone from the Kremlin spoke about a peace agreement. And to make it clear and clear that an agreement is being prepared with the drain of the inhabitants of b. Ukraine. Just a mention of abstract negotiations - not to suggest.
  6. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 6 June 2022 09: 44
    -3
    A very clear example is Germany. In March, she did not want to transfer the decommissioned anti-tank systems to the “non-destructible”, and now she is ready to send her tanks, air defense systems and self-propelled guns.

    An excellent example. In March, I didn’t want to, but now I’m ready. And what has changed now, in June? Have the tanks arrived? Again - there is no fact of the transfer of tanks, but a virtual reality is being created that supposedly the situation has changed. And at the same time, not a word about the timing of the delivery of tanks, about their number, about training and repair. The main thing is to crow, right?
  7. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 6 June 2022 09: 46
    -2
    Even the statements made periodically today by some of their representatives, in which “conciliatory” notes begin to slip again

    Sure sure. They periodically sound. And we always smile
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 6 June 2022 09: 52
    -1
    If the self-confidence of Kyiv and its Western masters is not broken, the special operation will turn into a protracted process in which “stundnevki” will replace one another

    The war will be over by winter. Even if all the "journalists" who write about the war do not write another word. Because the population of Russia does not need to agitate for our victory, and the authorities do not give a damn about what they write in the media.
  9. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 6 June 2022 10: 04
    +2
    And this will already be the time of no special operation, but of the real war itself.

    in fact, whatever you call what we have - this is war. And it has been going on for over a decade. We are being destroyed, and quite successfully: under the USSR, there was no such thing as a child stealing money from a parent, and having received brains for it, ran to court with a lawsuit about domestic violence. Morality has already been perverted: freedom of action has been put forward in the first place, and irresponsible at that! But in no way responsible for their actions committed by this very person. What will leave us human? traditional values. Personality should not be artificially created - it must itself prove the right to be.
  10. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 6 June 2022 10: 27
    +1
    For contrary to the promises made many times to smash the weapons coming to Ukraine from NATO countries before they are put into action, the Armed Forces of Ukraine stuffed them a hundred times more in the past days than in the previous 30 years of “independence”.

    And someone is preventing the elimination of roads, bridges and border crossings through which NATO weapons are delivered to Ukraine?
    During WW2, partisans did this. Now Russia has a VKS and missile troops. Maybe they can't? Doubtful. Then what prevents to block the supply routes of NATO equipment?
    1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
      Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 6 June 2022 10: 36
      0
      Well, like on these roads, Ukraine exports grain to the starving in Africa) Putin promised the West not to interfere
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 6 June 2022 13: 16
      +1
      Or is someone preventing these supply routes from being blocked, well, and who is this someone???
  11. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 June 2022 11: 08
    +2
    So, what do you want?

    Nobody asked the population, everyone was tired of the pressurization of the media, the older generation drinks tranquilizers so as not to die - they still remember the "brotherhood of peoples", prices are flying up (although the dollar has fallen) ..

    Economic news - how profitably the oligarchs sell gas, oil to NATO and how they saved part of their yachts...

    And the Ukrainians then ... Who remembers, in the Second World War there was a direct slogan - kill the German aggressor ... and in other operations - with Finland, Poland, Japan - they did not stand on ceremony: "that night they decided ...... cross the border near the river .... and flew to the ground ...... under the pressure of steel and fire ... "

    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 6 June 2022 15: 15
      +1
      right ... but for now:

      Ukrainian troops shelled Donetsk from Grad MLRS. Rossiyskaya Gazeta
      According to Aleksey Kulemzin, head of the Donetsk administration, two schools and an indoor market in the center of the city were damaged as a result of shelling.

      and then:

      07.50 Governor of the Kursk region Roman Starovoit:
      “Today, early in the morning, the village of Tetkino in the Glushkovsky district was again shelled. Attacks were made on the bridge and local businesses.”

      meanwhile, instead of delivering the blows promised for two months already, the next statements and promises:

      RIA Novosti Lavrov: the longer-range rockets from Kyiv, the further Russia will push the Nazis

      wouldn’t it be easier to prevent the appearance of missiles, and not to “wave your fists after a fight”, receiving new “arrivals” and problems?
      and it seems like the Russian army is "pushing back", and arrivals are increasingly and with impunity so far, and the notorious "reception centers", even in Kyiv, are sleeping peacefully ...
      and some "characters" protect the nest of Westerners, liberals, traitors and collaborators - Yeltsin Center:

      “I know that he (Putin) visited it (the Yeltsin Center) at one time. Indeed, there was a visit. then you need to be strictly guided by the law, as every time someone is declared a foreign agent," Peskov said, answering a question from journalists about how Russian President Vladimir Putin treats the Yeltsin Center.

      "Provoking discussion?! What is the discussion about the traitor Vlasov and his accomplices, to whom the whole exposition is dedicated in the EC with the justification of collaborators-accomplices of Hitler ?!
      and it started a long time ago:

      Director of Science "Yeltsin Center" Nikita Sokolov said about the need to rehabilitate "Vlasov". “These are the dissidents of the 40s, the dissidents of the 30s. There were also real battle groups. They are not rehabilitated, although they did nothing. These are the Vlasovites. This is a big public problem.

      and this position is being introduced into training and educational programs by the employees of this very center, which cannot but disturb:

      It's a matter of national security since hundreds of children get this poison every day.

      N. Mikhalkov

      The time has come to draw a line under the modern form of Goebbels' propaganda. Our society cannot allow Vlasovism to make attempts to go on the offensive. Where this leads, he showed an example of rampant Bandera in Ukraine. I am convinced that by letting our past be mocked, we can cross out our future. Vlasovshchina must be stopped immediately

      D. Novikov

      In the same "Yeltsin Center" an exhibition about the events of 1956 in Hungary was opened under the title "For Freedom and Independence! Two Weeks of Freedom”, which does not mention the participation in the events of the US intelligence services that sponsored the pro-fascist post-war underground groups in Hungary, such as the Sword and the Cross, the White Guard, the Botond Division, the National Resistance Movement. That is, the events of 1956 in Hungary are an attempt at revenge by the Nazis, and not at all a struggle “for freedom and independence.” And can the tendentious exhibition at the Yeltsin Center about these events, in which such delicate and inconvenient facts are not mentioned, be considered an attempt to rehabilitate Hitler's former accomplices in Hungary?

      So it turns out that while Nikita Mikhalkov calls for a discussion about the exposition of the Yeltsin Center, the museum itself calls for the rehabilitation of the “Vlasovites” and holds exhibitions at which former henchmen of Nazi Germany are presented as “freedom fighters”.

      but, mustache in response:

      The press secretary of the Russian leader found it difficult to answer the question of how the head of state now relates to the Yekaterinburg Center.
      TASS

      ... with such mustaches and e-centers, there is no need for enemies ....

      ps in Ukraine, this is exactly how it began, when they made "national heroes" out of bandits and criminals and got what we are now seeing ...
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 June 2022 22: 05
        0
        If we consider this as a commercial-power project, then everything converges.
        (it used to be called imperialism....)
  12. ChopChop Offline ChopChop
    ChopChop 6 June 2022 11: 24
    +2
    A very clear example is Germany. In March, she did not want to transfer the decommissioned anti-tank systems to the “non-destructible”, and now she is ready to send her tanks, air defense systems and self-propelled guns.

    I completely agree. War is a commercial project (as the powers that be see it). No one will invest in a losing venture, and we will never be allowed to slip. It is necessary to change something in the brains of our rulers, or they (the rulers) will be changed, and it will not be the internal forces of the country that will change them.
  13. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 June 2022 12: 38
    +3
    From all the screens they blow into our ears that we are opposed to the whole of NATO, that there is a struggle for the survival of Russia, that we have been driven to the wall, etc. And recently Putin comes out and calls it NATO "partners". So we have a war or some kind of trade? Can you imagine Stalin calling Hitler a "partner" when the war was raging? And here we are breaking spears! So where will there be "neither peace nor war" when cooks and taxi drivers believe that they are at war with enemies, and Putin is at war with "partners"!
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 6 June 2022 17: 52
      +1
      Are you still surprised?)
      Officials continue to make "discoveries":

      17.20 From the Statement of Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Rashid Nurgaliyev:
      - The West sees as its long-term goal the collapse of the CIS into fighting with each other, puppet and colonial countries;
      - The CIS countries will prepare unified textbooks on the history of the Great Patriotic War in order to prevent attempts to distort these events.

      the former minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the current deputy of the Security Council, apparently spent the last 20 years in suspended animation?

      First - the CIS is already essentially a living corpse, and its members are already puppets and are fighting each other - for example, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan ?!

      About textbooks - it is interesting how this will look in practice, given the fact that in most CIS countries the Soviet period, and in particular the Great Patriotic War, are presented negatively, Russians are occupiers, and as heroes publicly, including at the highest levels, honored collaborators and nationalists - accomplices of Hitler?! There is nothing to say about the current ubiquitous nationalism and Russophobia ..
      And the presence in Russia of the E-center and other lovers of the rehabilitation of Vlasovites, and other traitors, also cannot but raise questions.
  14. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 6 June 2022 13: 45
    +2
    Russia-Ukraine: no peace, no war

    - Yes exactly !
    - Now we, Russia, have two definite paths!
    1. This is to overcome the Donetsk grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine; cross to the opposite side of the Dnieper; take possession of the Krivoy Rog basin; to gain a foothold there and start a campaign to liberate Nikolaev and Odessa.
    2. Trying to delay the "Donetsk operation" until winter; when the winter discomfort will visit all Western Europe and in this Europe there will be a lot of dissatisfied and non-supporting states of Ukraine (and those have already begun to appear). - As for Ukraine itself, it will soon lay out all its "trump cards-resources" (all "its mobilizations", all its own "technical capabilities", etc.)! - Mobilization in Ukraine can be carried out - once (well - twice) - and then it won't work anymore - the collapse of society is just coming! - And as for the weapons supplied to Ukraine and some kind of "volunteer mercenaries" - then "with all this resource" you won’t gain much for a long time and you won’t achieve victory! - And in winter conditions, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will practically remain one on one with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation !!! - Which does not bode well for the APU!
    - So - these are the two ways of development of events appear.
    - There is also a "third way" - these are the next "sudden negotiations" with "sudden adoption of peaceful decisions" and with "sudden results of these negotiations"! - But it's better not to mention it!
  15. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 6 June 2022 14: 10
    +4
    This is precisely why we are all once again even more firmly convinced that this military operation should by no means be suspended upon reaching the borders of the LDNR, but on the contrary, it must be significantly strengthened and accelerated if we want peace and tranquility on our borders with Ukraine, and in its face we want to see a pragmatic and loyal to Russia neighbor, we need to bring the work we started to its logical end, no matter how difficult and difficult it would be for us, but all this is done in the name of the future, otherwise after some time we again we can get a bloody massacre with much more tragic and difficult consequences for ourselves than now.
  16. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
    Neville Stator (Neville Stator) 7 June 2022 22: 36
    0
    Beware of the fifth columns who intend to deprive the army of victory.