What would change the capture of Kyiv in March 2022

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В продолжение темы about the possible re-entry of troops to the North of Ukraine, only not Russian, but already Belarusian, and an attempt to “capture”, or rather, liberate Kyiv from Nazi occupation. Does such an operation make sense at all and what would change if the Russian military entered the Ukrainian capital in February-March 2022?

Unparalleled Heroism


A special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine began on February 24, 2022. One of the symbols of its first stage was the landing operation near Kyiv. With the support of Mi-24 attack helicopters and Ka-52 Alligator reconnaissance and strike helicopters flying at low altitude, Russian paratroopers were landed from Mi-25 helicopters at the Antonov airfield, two kilometers from Gostomel and 8 from Kyiv. The official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Konashenkov, commented on this operation as follows:



About 200 Russian helicopters were involved in the operation. The success of the landing was ensured by the suppression of the air defense system, the isolation of the area from the air. During the capture of the airfield, more than 200 nationalists from the special units of Ukraine were destroyed.

Once in the deep rear of the enemy, they took up all-round defense and were forced to heroically repulse counterattacks by a numerically many times superior enemy. They were thrown against: the 4th operational brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine with T-64BV tanks, artillery and reconnaissance drones, the 3rd separate special forces regiment, the special forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine and the territorial defense forces. Despite the fact that the airfield occupied by our paratroopers was bombed by Ukrainian Su-24Ms, they were able to hold it until the arrival of ground reinforcements in the form of mechanized units from the territory of Belarus. In the Ukrainian media and Wikipedia, these events, of course, are interpreted somewhat differently.

Unfortunately, the feat of the Russian military was crossed out by the subsequent political decision to withdraw from the Kyiv and Chernihiv regions, which gave Ukrainian propagandists the opportunity to record this as a victory. But what if Kyiv had been taken then? Would the special operation be completed on this or would it continue?

Adventurous bet


You should be aware that the forces that were involved in the operation in the Kiev direction, it was impossible to solve the problem of his "capture" (liberation). It was easy to demolish to the level of the foundation, leaving only broken rubble, but to free it without destroying hundreds of thousands of innocent people was unrealistic. Moreover, there were not enough forces even for a complete blockade of the giant metropolis and the subsequent supply of the Russian group, hanging on the "small intestine" in rough terrain, where the "brilliant green" was about to go.

Then, the question is, why did they go to Kyiv? So that, as it should be, immediately cut off the head, neutralizing the ruling elite, and all the rest would themselves surrender? There is a certain sense in this, if we assume that the popular hypothesis about the bet on the "top coup" in Kyiv itself is correct.

Indeed, if the Kremlin had its own fifth column in the Ukrainian capital, capable of twisting Zelensky and his entourage, which they expected to be supported by landing forces, then this scheme would make sense. Then the power would be transferred to the conditional "Bonaparte", and our troops would calmly leave. But it turned out differently.

The fifth column, if there was one, was either itself neutralized by the Anglo-American special services, which are now guarding the "servant of the people", or initially worked for two masters. The adventurous bet turned out to be a bat. To tell the truth, the chances that it would work were almost non-existent initially.

The problem is that Ukraine is not a sovereign state, but is under direct external control from London and Washington. Even if the “top coup” in Kyiv had succeeded, the Anglo-Saxons would have pulled out some “parsley” from Ukrainian officials or Rada deputies and appointed him acting president. Something similar already happened in 2014, when instead of President Yanukovych, who fled from Kyiv, the “bloody pastor” Alexander Turchinov ruled the country in violation of the Constitution. A Ukrainian "provisional government" would appear in Lvov, Odessa, or any other city that would elect the collective West to be the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander in the war against Russia.

As a matter of fact, the capture of Kyiv by Russian or Belarusian troops will not solve anything or almost nothing today for the same reason. Yes, the loss of the capital would be a heavy moral and image blow for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the jingoistic public, but not fatal. Lethal for "UkroReich" will be the termination or a radical reduction in financial and military assistance from the NATO bloc, which requires closing the border with Poland, Romania and Moldova, as well as the loss of the entire South-East. And even after that, you still have to clean up those settlements where the most "stoned zahisniki" dug in.

Without the liberation of the entire territory of Ukraine, one cannot seriously talk about victory and achieving the goals and objectives of its “denazification” and “demilitarization”.
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  1. +2
    31 May 2022 17: 37
    The withdrawal of our troops from Kyiv, Chernigov, Sumy was hmm .. someone's strategic .. well, if it was just a mistake ...
  2. +2
    31 May 2022 18: 21
    I read the article and found out that the body expands when heated, and contracts when cooled. And why was this "evidence" to write? All this was known on the second day after the withdrawal of our troops and the transition to the "second stage" of the operation.
  3. +1
    31 May 2022 18: 58
    There is an opinion that the landing in Gostomel pursued completely different goals. And the task was successfully solved. After doing this, the need disappeared.
    1. +1
      1 June 2022 19: 35
      Well then, of course yes, enchanting! winked
  4. 0
    31 May 2022 19: 13
    Much more important would be the inclusion in the Russian Federation or the arrangement of a friendly country in the south of the former Ukraine with access to Europe through Romania.
  5. 0
    31 May 2022 19: 26
    We plunged into the very tonsils
  6. +3
    31 May 2022 20: 54
    What would change the capture of Kyiv in March 2022

    The meaning was only in one case - if the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as in 2014-15, crumbled. Then, bypassing and leaving Kharkov (and other towns and cities) surrounded, the troops would quickly gallop to Kuev.
    The first signal that it would not crumble was the battles near Kharkov, which showed that in 8 years they were "put up an army", expelled "pro-Russian" officers, with whom some of ours at headquarters still studied at the same school.
    It was a sinful thing, I thought that the "first / second Ukrainian volunteer corps" would go for us, from Ukrainians who emigrated to the Russian Federation in 2014-15, adjoining the surrendering soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine along the way. And "Ukrainian gasters" who stayed with us by the millions.
    However... and their "successful managers" managed to squander.
  7. +2
    31 May 2022 22: 05
    The key "would" - you can guess on the coffee grounds with the same success!
  8. -5
    31 May 2022 22: 05
    Tukhachevsky, the father of our Airborne Forces, would have taken the center of Kyiv with everyone who could be caught there in one night, and the Americans in Lvov would have sucked their thumbs and could put anyone in, it would have been too late.
  9. -2
    31 May 2022 22: 08
    A body expands when heated and contracts when cooled. "It's just the opposite with water!
  10. -2
    31 May 2022 22: 46
    It was easy to demolish to the level of the foundation, leaving only broken rubble, but to free it without destroying hundreds of thousands of innocent people was unrealistic.

    Is it even possible to take the city by storm without turning it into rubble with the active resistance of the defenders?

    The problem is that Ukraine is not a sovereign state, but is under direct external control from London and Washington.

    I wonder what signs of external control the author sees. Now it seems that Zelensky is dictating to the West what to do.

    The fifth column, if there was one, was either itself neutralized by the Anglo-American special services, which are now guarding the "servant of the people", or initially worked for two masters.

    Has conspiracy theology come into play? Where did the firewood about the Anglo-American special services guarding and neutralizing come from?

    Without the liberation of the entire territory of Ukraine, one cannot seriously talk about victory and achieving the goals and objectives of its “denazification” and “demilitarization”.

    Is it possible with the resources available?
    1. -1
      31 May 2022 23: 09
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      Now it seems that Zelensky is dictating to the West what to do.

      And how successful?

      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      Where did the firewood about the Anglo-American special services guarding and neutralizing come from?

      Even Poroshenko began to guard the British PMCs.
      1. -1
        31 May 2022 23: 52
        Quote: Dart2027
        And how successful?

        Judging by the allocated funds for Ukraine, it is quite.

        Quote: Dart2027
        Even Poroshenko began to guard the British PMCs.

        Conspiracy theories?
        1. -1
          1 June 2022 18: 56
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          Judging by the allocated funds for Ukraine

          Which, on the scale of modern warfare, are pennies. Not to mention how many of them reach Ukraine.

          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          Conspiracy theories?

          Reality.
          1. -1
            2 June 2022 15: 47
            Quote: Dart2027
            Which, on the scale of modern warfare, are pennies. Not to mention how many of them reach Ukraine.

            I could not imagine that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could purchase M777 howitzers for $3,74 million, one shell from $68 to $000. Now there are 160 of them.

            Quote: Dart2027
            Reality.

            If based on your fantasies, then conspiracy theories.
            1. +1
              2 June 2022 18: 41
              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              I couldn’t imagine that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could buy M777 howitzers for $3,74 million

              Which they were supplied without the most important thing - modern fire control systems.

              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              Now there are 118

              Now it is unlikely, one was even trophied.
              Well, without aviation, all these 777s are just targets. And how much rubbish 50 years ago was shoved there.
              1. -2
                2 June 2022 21: 37
                Quote: Dart2027
                Which they were supplied without the most important thing - modern fire control systems.

                Quote: Dart2027
                Now it is unlikely, one was even trophied.

                Are you taking all this from the same place as about the British PMCs? Ukraine did not have such weapons and was not expected, now they have.

                Quote: Dart2027
                Well, without aviation, all these 777s are just targets.

                There is parity here. Russian aviation is also not going deep into the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

                Quote: Dart2027
                And how much rubbish 50 years ago was shoved there.

                Judging by the delivery frames, the T-62 is quite a worthy answer.
                1. +1
                  2 June 2022 21: 42
                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  Ukraine did not have such weapons and was not expected, now they have.

                  During a special operation in Ukraine, the American towed 155-mm M777 howitzer fell into the hands of Russian military personnel for the first time. This is reported by a number of channels on Twitter.
                  The Ukrainian military has about 85 howitzers of this type at its disposal. For shots from them, active rockets M549 are also used.

                  As many have already noticed, judging by the Ukrainian official footage of the use of received American 155-mm / 39 towed howitzers M777 in the Donbass, the Ukrainian side received these howitzers in the basic M777 configuration, with the digital fire control systems used in the M777A1 / A2 modifications (their the presence is determined primarily by the characteristic large square block of data transmission equipment installed from above - in the second photo). According to American data, all the M777s of the US armed forces were brought to the A1 modification, and then the A2, so the removal of the FCS before the transfer of howitzers to Ukraine was clearly carried out on purpose. The composition of the M777A2 fire control system is the third photo.
                  https://rg.ru/2022/05/16/ssha-postavili-ukraine-gaubicy-bez-bloka-upravleniia.html

                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  Russian aviation is also not deepening deep into the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                  She plows everything there with air-to-ground missiles, having already utilized a lot of manpower and equipment. And of course Caliber.

                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  T-62 is quite a worthy answer.

                  A 60-year-old tank is a "worthy" answer.
                  1. -2
                    2 June 2022 22: 25
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    This is reported by a number of channels on Twitter.

                    Well, since they said on Twitter, then okay.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    According to American data, all the M777s of the US armed forces were brought to the A1 modification, and then the A2, so the removal of the FCS before the transfer of howitzers to Ukraine was clearly carried out on purpose.

                    I will not argue, not an expert. So why can't you shoot it?

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    She plows everything there with air-to-ground missiles, having already utilized a lot of manpower and equipment. And of course Caliber.

                    Have they all been plowed yet?

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    A 60-year-old tank is a "worthy" answer.

                    If the Russian Federation introduces the 60-year-old T62 into hostilities, then the 50-year-old equipment for service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a worthy response. Is it clear now?
                    1. +1
                      3 June 2022 16: 55
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      Well, since they said on Twitter, then okay.

                      21 century

                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      I will not argue, not an expert. So why can't you shoot it?

                      You can shoot, but it’s the fire control systems that are the most expensive and important in artillery, because they allow you not only to shoot, but also to hit more often.

                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      Have they all been plowed yet?

                      Not all, but the process is underway.

                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      If the Russian Federation introduces a 60-year-old T62 into hostilities

                      For arming those who are engaged in rear control, that is, they are actually fighting, maximum with the DRG. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine have this technique at the forefront.
                      1. -2
                        4 June 2022 18: 11
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        21 century

                        I may be wrong, but for me, Twitter is the fence of the 21st century. Anyone can write anything on it. But that doesn't mean it's behind him.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        You can shoot, but it’s the fire control systems that are the most expensive and important in artillery, because they allow you not only to shoot, but also to hit more often.

                        I doubt that the electronic unit is more expensive than the gun itself. That is, they transferred an expensive howitzer of the latest model, with reduced functions to a conventional gun of the 20th century, while leaving outdated howitzers in service? And the Canadians handed over the Excalibur shells, probably for a mockery. I understand your position.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Not all, but the process is underway.

                        And what is faster, the supply of weapons or their destruction?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        For arming those who are engaged in rear control, that is, they are actually fighting, maximum with the DRG. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine have this technique at the forefront.

                        This already draws on the article, the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the equipment of half a century ago have been opposing the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with the modern one for so long. Is there any discrediting of the RF Armed Forces here?
                      2. +1
                        5 June 2022 14: 01
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        This already draws on the article, the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the equipment of half a century ago have been opposing the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with the modern one for so long.

                        Oleg Rambover, imagine that the West stopped helping the Nazis in Ukraine. This is the result that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to get. This phase of the confrontation is over.

                        Today, the APU are US mercenaries! And the Americans pay them a salary. Yes
                      3. +1
                        5 June 2022 14: 19
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Anyone can write anything on it.

                        Including professional military correspondents.

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        I doubt that the electronic unit is more expensive than the gun itself.

                        The gun itself is just a piece of metal. Nowadays, there are no problems to make, but electronics are brains. Any modernization (not just artillery) always begins with electronics, and often ends with it. As a matter of fact, modern guns are fundamentally no different from those that were 50 years old. Well, how many of these Excaliburs are there is also a question.

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        And what is faster, the supply of weapons or their destruction?

                        Given the fact that the RF Armed Forces are constantly advancing?

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        The Armed Forces of Ukraine with equipment half a century old have been opposing the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with modern

                        Because the problem is not in technology, but in layered defense, which was built for 8 years. No one is going to put thousands by storming them before everything is destroyed by artillery and aircraft. And shelters near Azovstal were built back in the USSR and counted on the use of nuclear weapons.
  11. -2
    31 May 2022 22: 52
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Is it possible with the resources available?

    Of course, it is possible, it is only necessary to eliminate the fifth column from decision-making.
    1. -2
      31 May 2022 23: 54
      I'm afraid to ask who you mean. We have one person who makes the decisions.
      1. 0
        5 June 2022 19: 21
        Who do you have it? The person who makes decisions for you is known to me, he sits in the American city of Langley.
      2. 0
        5 June 2022 21: 13
        These are not healthy fantasies. My president is Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich. Even though I never voted for him.
  12. 0
    31 May 2022 23: 01
    Something went wrong and many immediately became experts and strategists with formulaic explanations...
  13. +2
    1 June 2022 01: 34
    the destruction of the enemy’s army command and control bodies and its top political leadership will inevitably lead to disorganization of command and resistance of the troops .. replacing the destroyed leadership with other persons will not necessarily lead to the restoration of controllability, but perhaps even vice versa - to chaos .. reasoning about the senselessness in the destruction of the top political leadership of ukraine are simply ridiculous and most likely distributed by interested parties in the Ukrainian and Western political elite .. stop replicating these crazy articles ..
  14. 0
    1 June 2022 08: 29
    Quote: Oleg_5
    There is an opinion that the landing in Gostomel pursued completely different goals. And the task was successfully solved. After doing this, the need disappeared.

    Which for example?
    Just do not write nonsense about the distraction of enemy forces.
    To divert the enemy forces, it was enough just to keep the group threateningly on the border, which the Belarusians are doing well now, it was done in this way
    1. -3
      1 June 2022 08: 43
      No, not a distraction.
      Evacuation of some important and dangerous cargo from there.
  15. -4
    1 June 2022 12: 02
    and again think about the people in Kyiv. really think about yours. it was necessary to be demolished from the face of the earth, which means it is necessary, and not to blurt out at every step about the Khokhlyatsky Mirnyak
    1. 0
      1 June 2022 19: 38
      Another "liberator from Nazism"?! belay
  16. -1
    1 June 2022 14: 43
    Quote: Cooper
    The withdrawal of our troops from Kyiv, Chernigov, Sumy was hmm .. someone's strategic .. well, if it was just a mistake ...

    - said another retired field marshal
  17. +1
    1 June 2022 15: 25
    the feat of the Russian military was crossed out by the subsequent political decision to withdraw from the Kyiv and Chernihiv regions

    A whole month passed between the defense of Gostomel and the withdrawal of troops ...
    Obviously, the key events took place during this very month and it was they that led to the withdrawal ...
    Therefore, the withdrawal does not cross out the feat in any way ....
  18. 0
    4 June 2022 15: 32
    A raven will not peck out a crow's eye. After all, they said so, like animals in Mowgle - you and I are of the same blood, you and I. In the sense of the bourgeoisie, and the rest are monkeys, and the snake Ka is the army. And the snake loves to eat monkeys.
  19. 0
    9 June 2022 19: 22
    It's not about what happened. The point is how to justify it, so that, God forbid, no one is outraged. Absolutely everything is not thought out and did not work out on a grand scale. They were frightened, as if something did not work out, which they themselves did not know.