“We must take”: What will the former Ukrainian industry give Russia

“We must take”: What will the former Ukrainian industry give Russia

There is a certain party in our country, which, tragically rolling its eyes and wringing its hands, is indignant at the proposals for the reunification of Novorossia, and even the whole of Ukraine, with Russia, fearing that then “these harem makers” will come and put their hands in their refrigerator. It was like that in 2014, when the Square throughout the Southeast was loyal, safe and sound. Exactly the same thing is happening now, in the cold and difficult 2022, when millions of comments are continuously scribbled, convincing that we will not be able to liberate all of Ukraine, nor then feed it. But is it really so?


It is an indisputable fact that the Ukrainian economy rather dead than alive, which is very convincing рассказал knowing the situation, as they say, “from the inside”, a respected colleague. In Kyiv, of course, they sin against Russia and "Putin's aggression", but this is a blatant lie. The truth is that the economy of Nezalezhnaya was killed by its post-Maidan authorities themselves, who came as a result of a coup in 2014, and they did it quite deliberately. Urged on by their Western masters, they have consistently severed all key trade ties and traditional industrial chains between Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

Yes, our country was seriously affected by this, a lot of problems arose with the import substitution of ship and aircraft power plants, as well as other equipment, which shifted many programs for the rearmament of the Russian Defense Ministry to the right. But Nezalezhnaya itself suffered much more. All its industrial enterprises were objectively oriented towards the Russian sales market, since under the USSR they were part of a single national economic complex. The Ukrainian high-tech industry, with rare exceptions, such as the Motor Sich enterprise, which both the Chinese and the Turks are interested in, cannot exist on its own, because there is no other market for it, except for Russia.

There remained metallurgy, owned by a few local oligarchs, and agriculture, which flourished on fertile black soil. Had it not been for the turn towards the collective West, Ukraine could have existed as some ordinary third-rate country, but they purposefully began to drive it into bad debts, forced it to open its domestic market to transnational corporations within the framework of the “European association” agreement, began to stifle it with continuous growth tariffs and prepare for the sale of agricultural land to foreigners. At the same time, the entire financial resource went to prepare for the war with Russia in the Donbass and Crimea.

The outbreak of hostilities on February 24, 2022, the blockade of seaports and the destruction of infrastructure only accelerated the inevitable economic collapse of Nezalezhnaya. However, there is no need to harbor illusions: Ukraine will still “not collapse on its own” because of this - the collective West will give it money for the war with Russia, but only for the war!

Revival



What will the accession of Novorossiya and the reintegration of the rest of Ukraine into the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus give Russia? Yes, a lot.

Some time ago we already toldthan Donbass and the Azov region are rich, which have a chance to be the first to reunite with the Russian Federation. Kherson and the south of Zaporozhye regions, as well as the southern regions of Donbass, are exceptionally fertile lands for agriculture. As they say, stick a stick into the local black soil, and it will bloom by itself. On the territory of the DPR and LPR there are powerful metallurgical enterprises: Alchevsk Metallurgical Plant, Enakievsky Metallurgical Plant, Makeyevka Metallurgical Plant, Ilyich Iron and Steel Works, Stakhanov Ferroalloy Plant, as well as Azovstal, the prospects for the restoration of which are still vague. Donbass is extremely rich in coking coal and lithium deposits. Mariupol and Berdyansk are convenient ports for the export of grain and metallurgical products, which are now located on the virtually inland Russian Sea of ​​Azov.

And all this can now begin to work specifically for Russia. Taxes will go not to Kyiv, but to Moscow - this is the question of whether someone will have to constantly “feed”. No, these regions will feed themselves perfectly, literally and figuratively. But is it necessary to confine oneself to “a tit in the hands”, Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov?

A lot of interesting things remain in the territories not yet controlled by Russian troops. For example, Kyiv still holds the Dneprospetsstal enterprise, which produced the metal necessary for the production of aircraft, tanks, submarines, ships and structural elements of spacecraft, including for the Soviet Buran, as well as one of the largest metallurgical plants in Europe Zaporizhstal. In Zaporozhye itself, there is a complex of enterprises Motor Sich and Ivchenko-Progress, which is engaged in the development and production of aircraft engines and high-power gas turbines. The Chinese and Americans fought for control over Motor Sich, and as a result, the Turks came there and began to buy engines for their drones and for a promising heavy helicopter. The return of this unique enterprise with its specialists will significantly increase the potential of the Russian aircraft industry, which is now under the tight cap of Western sanctions. The same can be said about SE "Antonov" in Kyiv.

The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, a few days earlier, compiled a whole list of Ukrainian high-tech enterprises that the state corporation is interested in restoring cooperation with. These are the Yuzhnoye design bureau and the Yuzhmash plant located in the Dnepropetrovsk region, the Hartron-Arkos scientific and production enterprise, the Polisvit special design bureau and the Kommunar Association research and production enterprise in Kharkov, as well as the Arsenal enterprises ”, “Kievpribor” and the Kyiv Radio Plant in Kyiv. All of them in the Soviet period were part of a single system of the space industry, and therefore the break in cooperation with them was a very heavy blow for the Russian Federation, no matter what anyone said.

You can also remember that not far from the already Russian city of Kherson is the city of Nikolaev, where there are the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant, the Zorya-Mashproekt enterprise, as well as the ruins of the Black Sea shipbuilding plant. Under the USSR, destroyers, submarines, large anti-submarine ships and cruisers were launched at the Nikolaevsky shipbuilding plant. By the way, the recently killed "Moscow" was built there. Destroyers, heavy cruisers, battleships, heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers, submarines, tankers, icebreakers, repair and technical floating bases, floating workshops and floating docks, bulk carriers, trawlers, scientific expeditionary and other special vessels were built at the Chernomorsky Shipbuilding Plant, which was liquidated last year. Zorya-Mashproekt produces power plants for Russian frigates, which, as it were, have been replaced by imports, but are actually produced “by a teaspoon,” which is why the shipbuilding program is stalling.

All this is necessary for our country, which found itself under the yoke of Western sanctions, forever, and Kyiv, which is under the rule of the Nazi regime, does not need it at all. The restoration of industrial cooperation with Russia will breathe new life into post-war Ukraine, which will feed itself and enrich our country as a result. You will have to invest only at the initial stage when restoring what was destroyed by the war. Such, alas, is the retribution for the short-sighted decisions of 2014, when Novorossia itself went into hands without a single shot being fired, but then it was pushed away. Gotta take it!
63 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 28 May 2022 10: 51
    +1
    The author raised the most important question.
    Ukraine is not taken into the EU and NATO, because it is destined for the fate of an agrarian appendage with a minimal population.
    Accordingly: the Ukrainian authorities, in the interests of Western "friends", destroyed the competitive Ukrainian industry.
    The Russian Federation will do a good deed if it carries out re-industrialization in the controlled territories.
    It will pay off handsomely!
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 28 May 2022 12: 00
      -4
      Quote from Mikhail L.
      if it carries out re-industrialization in the controlled territories.
      It will pay off handsomely!

      Can we start with Russia?
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 28 May 2022 12: 06
        +4
        In Ukraine, there are a lot of unique industries, thanks to which it will be easier and easier to carry out what you offer.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 28 May 2022 13: 50
          -2
          We were told that they had been gone for a long time.
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 28 May 2022 15: 35
            +3
            Do you believe everything that is written on the fences?
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 28 May 2022 23: 35
              -2
              I am sure that Ukrainian factories are no better than Russian Soviet-built ones. And on those Russian ones that I visited, everything was sad.
              1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 29 May 2022 16: 49
                0
                Yes, you have not been anywhere further than the sofa
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 29 May 2022 17: 24
                  -1
                  Not that he was, but even took part. For example, our company participated in the dismantling of buildings on the territory of the NPF "Pigment". It was a gigantic enterprise, now it has disappeared, almost the entire territory is built up with a residential complex. Been to the Red Triangle, life there was barely glimmering, half rented, half empty. Type in Yandex-pictures "Red Triangle" - shots worthy of Mariupol today.
                  I visited the Vereteno factory, one of the oldest enterprises in the city, as far as I know, shows no signs of life. I have been to many smaller ones, there are tenants everywhere, activity in the profile is minimal, desolation and devastation. Probably somewhere everything is different, but I did not manage to visit such enterprises. Only on new foreign ones. (Philip Maurice Izhora, Bosh)
                  1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 30 May 2022 03: 57
                    +2
                    Although I did not take part, I visited the gas processing plants in Sabetta Novy Urengoy. I am familiar with the Bovanenkovo ​​Zapolyarny gas processing plant. The latest plants. All equipment was produced at the Ural plants. Heaven and earth. Do not be a pessimist. Over the past 70 years, almost fifty new chemical plants have been built. At the very least, Putin is slowly nationalizing the leading industries. Not everything is so bad.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 May 2022 10: 26
                      -5
                      You can't argue with that, the Dutch disease is eating away at our country's economy. I honestly tried to remember a successful enterprise originally from the USSR. "Admiralty Shipyards" seems to be moving, but still it is the shadow of a Soviet enterprise.

                      Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2
                      At the very least, Putin is slowly nationalizing the leading industries.

                      You say that like it's a good thing.
                      1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 30 May 2022 13: 55
                        +1
                        What's wrong? The tsar, for all his stupidity, for the state-owned monopoly on tobacco, sugar, salt, alcohol, held on tight. I'm not talking about total nationalization. Military-industrial complex enterprises should be owned by the state
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 May 2022 21: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2
                        What's wrong? The tsar, for all his stupidity, for the state-owned monopoly on tobacco, sugar, salt, alcohol, held on tight.

                        State monopolies + serfdom, according to many researchers, have become the main reason for the industrial backwardness of the Republic of Ingushetia from other European powers. But we can repeat.

                        Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2
                        Military-industrial complex enterprises should be owned by the state

                        Arguably, the state is not the most efficient owner.
                      3. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 31 May 2022 00: 14
                        +1
                        Oleg Rambover, stupid, effective owner without the state becomes an easy victim of the gentlemen of fortune. laughing

                        And according to your first remark, that many researchers believe ... let them think that they are paid money for this. The opinion of not many, but objective ones is interesting. yes
                      4. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 31 May 2022 06: 40
                        0
                        At school, a history teacher tortured me by forcing me to do an essay on the work of V. I. Lenin. "The development of capitalism in Russia" Vladimir Ilyich is ready to argue with you even now. the state did not intervene ... for example .. The Tagil Tank Plant would have been allowed around the world long ago. Well, the one that allegedly produces wagons sad
                      5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 31 May 2022 10: 26
                        0
                        The state built according to the precepts of Lenin was not viable. His arguments were refuted by life.

                        I know that Kurganmashzavod is in a state of permanent bankruptcy. Although it would seem military orders.
            2. guest Offline guest
              guest 30 May 2022 13: 50
              0
              And who destroyed these enterprises? Your favorite liberals.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 May 2022 20: 53
                -2
                Do you consider our president a liberal? He has been in power for over 20 years.
                Of course he claimed it.
                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2014/570416189a794761c0ce5bf4?ysclid=l3t10tagnt
                But I think he is lying.
                1. guest Offline guest
                  guest 26 November 2022 02: 45
                  0
                  Come on, everything was already destroyed before him.
    2. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 30 May 2022 08: 45
      +1
      Absolutely right, the author first said that they say that the entire industry in Ukraine has been destroyed by the insidious "West" and immediately writes that there are many ready-made enterprises that can quite successfully take part in Russian "import substitution". wink
  • Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 28 May 2022 12: 19
    +2
    The Russian Federation and Ukraine were part of a single national economic complex.
    If in Russia there is also a need for re-industrialization, then it is quite logical to do it in sync!
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 28 May 2022 13: 59
      -4
      The key word was "were".
      In fact, something else is interesting, all previous industrializations of Russia took place with the help of Western "partners". How can your re-industrialization take place in isolation? Hope for Chinese comrades? It may well turn out that they are not our comrades.
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/27/05/2022/6290b53a9a7947300bc0fc87
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 28 May 2022 15: 10
        +2
        Oleg Rambover, industrialization begins, conducts and controls its course by the power of the country. The role of diplomats is to facilitate finding and attracting assistants.

        I hope I don’t have to explain to you that the West won’t even fart for nothing? But when they celebrate their benefit... So don't worry, the West will do as always. laughing
      2. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 28 May 2022 15: 25
        +5
        In fact, "industrialization" and "re-industrialization" - when there is a basis for such - "these are two big differences."
        But it would be surprising if Mr. O. Pitersky did not try to humiliate his country.
        Even if the Western comrades "wedge white light" - exaggerated isolation because firms return to the Russian Federation in a roundabout way, for example: changing brands ...
        How is K. Marx about capital: "at 100 percent, he tramples all human laws, at 300 percent there is no such crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows."
        1. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
          Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) 28 May 2022 18: 58
          +3
          Mikhail L, this is not his country. It stinks monotonously in all the blogs where the hand reaches, obviously resting on the only point of the Kyiv (Washington) training manual.
        2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 29 May 2022 00: 30
          -5
          Quote from Mikhail L.
          In fact, "industrialization" and "re-industrialization" - when there is a basis for such - "these are two big differences."

          And what's the difference? The plant is primarily equipment and personnel. More specifically, personnel and equipment. If the staff has long been retired, and the equipment has long been cut into metal, then you actually need to create an enterprise anew. The building is just a box.
          Now let's look at the industrial power of the Russian Federation. Our country is in dire need of civil aircraft, will our country produce at least 50 (and not 250 as in the days of the RSFSR)?

          Quote from Mikhail L.
          But it would be surprising if Mr. O. Pitersky did not try to humiliate his country.

          Where do you see humiliation?

          Quote from Mikhail L.
          Even if the Western comrades "wedge white light" - exaggerated isolation because firms return to the Russian Federation in a roundabout way, for example: changing brands ...
          How is K. Marx about capital: "at 100 percent, he tramples all human laws, at 300 percent there is no such crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows."

          Karl Marx was wrong. Most firms left not because they were ordered by the government, but of their own free will. I have a friend who works at the Mars factory. Their firm all profits from activities in Russia will be sent to humanitarian aid to the citizens of Ukraine.
          1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
            Michael L. 29 May 2022 09: 07
            +3
            Karl Marx was wrong

            - where is he up to O. St. Petersburg!
            The answer to verbal diarrhea can be adequate: to discuss with a demagogue - do not respect yourself!
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 29 May 2022 21: 24
              -4
              Thomas Joseph Dunning said it first.
              Secondly, that this is not true, we can observe right now, most Western companies left of their own free will, without coercion by their governments, which directly contradicts this thesis.
              Thirdly, your rudeness characterizes you badly, as the respected said isofat

              Quote: isofat
              The dumber a person, the faster he condescends to insults.

              It simply means that you are not able to defend your position and you understand this, otherwise you would not have stooped to rudeness.
              1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
                Michael L. 30 May 2022 09: 09
                +1
                "Thirdly": I did not write that K. Marx said this, but: "How is it with K. Marx."
                And K. Marx in this quote also has a reference to T. Dunning.
                So don't overdo it!

                Subjective assessments are worth nothing, as are unfounded accusations of rudeness: a quote from isofat can be attached to anyone for no reason!
                Such approaches are called: "demagogy"!
                I do not argue: in this area, Mr. O. Pitersky is out of competition! ;-(
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 31 May 2022 09: 16
                  0
                  Quote from Mikhail L.
                  Subjective assessments are worth nothing,

                  Are there non-subjective assessments?

                  Quote from Mikhail L.
                  unfounded accusations of rudeness:

                  This is my subjective assessment.
                  Then refrain from looking for dirt and diarrhea with you, and justify your position with normal arguments, and not turning to the identity of the subscriber. Otherwise, it indicates the weakness of your position.
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 29 May 2022 09: 30
            0
            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            Their firm all profits from activities in Russia will be sent to humanitarian aid to the citizens of Ukraine.

            Oleg Rambover, you forgot to clarify which citizens of Ukraine your friends will help. If Zelensky and his gang, then they steal without outside help. yes
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 28 May 2022 11: 19
    0
    The restoration of industrial cooperation with Russia will breathe new life into post-war Ukraine, which will feed itself and enrich our country as a result. You will have to invest only at the initial stage when restoring what was destroyed by the war.

    I agree with the author. Only narrow-minded people talk about what would need to be fed to Ukraine. The first years will have to be invested, but in the long run it will justify itself.
    1. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 28 May 2022 12: 10
      -4
      And why did you decide that Ukraine would be ours or loyal? To join somewhere, you need at least a referendum, but I’m not at all sure that the majority will be in favor. In addition, you will have to pay heavy reparations for the taken away factories.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 28 May 2022 12: 27
        +2
        If Ukraine does not join "by referendum", then what kind of taken away factories can we talk about?
        In addition: reparations are paid not to the owners of factories, but at the interstate level, the countries defeated in conflicts pay!
      2. Andrey Gladkikh Offline Andrey Gladkikh
        Andrey Gladkikh (Andrey Gladkikh) 29 May 2022 08: 55
        0
        Reparations are paid by the defeated to the victors. What reparations did the Soviet Union pay Germany for the exported factories (equipment and machine tools)? These factories were reparations. There is no logic in your statement - if Russia is not the winner, then what kind of taken away factories can we talk about, and, conversely, if Russia is the winner, then what kind of reparations can there be to Ukraine?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 29 May 2022 09: 44
          0
          Someone is already trying himself to be a victim of the Holocaust. I guess that these could be the "indigenous peoples" of Ukraine, led by Zelensky.
  • k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 28 May 2022 12: 03
    +2
    Are there really sober-minded authors here who are immune to jingoism and #everything is gone? This article was a pleasant surprise.
  • Scharnhorst Offline Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst (Scharnhorst) 28 May 2022 17: 54
    -2
    To invest even little things in the development of someone else's industry is to grow a competitor for yourself. The analogologist said "to the morgue", which means to the morgue. The country B / Ukraine called itself an agricultural superpower, self-determined, so to speak - nothing more complicated than a cannery or sugar factory should be restored there at the expense and to the detriment of Russian high-tech industries. There is no need to try to do good to the banana republic, under the Union they tried to make a showcase from the Baltic states ... The adventure of reindustrialization of B / Ukraine will turn into an even greater collapse for Russia compared to the Union.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 28 May 2022 18: 01
      +1
      Whoever spoke about a foreign industry, we are talking about territories that sooner or later will become part of the Russian Federation.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 28 May 2022 18: 11
        +3
        What to talk about with a person who calls a "pathologist" an "analogopath", and at the same time resorts to intimidation?
        If the economy of Ukraine is added to the economic potential of the Russian Federation, Scharnhorst's friends have something to fear!
      2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 29 May 2022 11: 41
        +2
        Whether or not they will become part of the Russian Federation is another question. And what parts will be included is also a question. The fact that we will not conquer all of Ukraine is very possible. In addition, in any complex enterprise, the main thing is people. Skilled engineers, technicians, skilled workers. If they have not been raised for 15 years, and besides, those who were not engaged in real work, and have also retired, then there is nothing to catch. In Yuzhmash, for example, there is nothing to catch. This is already the best in Russia. Soviet cadres have been retired for several years.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 29 May 2022 20: 59
          +1
          Well, in the West there is not even a special industry. The main industry on the territory of Novorossia, which should be fully incorporated into Russia.
  • Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 May 2022 22: 38
    0
    These arguments would be good for socialism - you seized factories, you produce products for the country.

    But for imperialism, the rules are different. He captured the plant - and you pump out all the juices, then you "optimize" so that you are not a competitor,

    There has been no flourishing of the economy over these 8 years in the LDNR. The impoverishment of the population, the export of coal and metal to the left, the corruption of customs officers - which is now being written a lot, the closure of enterprises, accidents and low wages in the mines. Edro, the end of the Russian spring .....

    Imperialism is the export of capital, not the development of territories.
    For example, where are the Chechen buggies once promoted ??? you know where...
  • vo2022smysl Offline vo2022smysl
    vo2022smysl (Common sense) 29 May 2022 18: 22
    -1
    Quote: guest
    Whoever spoke about a foreign industry, we are talking about territories that sooner or later will become part of the Russian Federation.

    But what about the world without annexations and indemnities?! winked
  • FGJCNJK Offline FGJCNJK
    FGJCNJK (Nikolai) 29 May 2022 20: 14
    +1
    however, she was then repulsed.
    And who pushed back? Who stopped Donetsk and Luhansk 8 years ago in their desire to reach Kyiv? Who is the bastard who signed the order? Give the name and surname of this freak of the human race, because it is precisely because of this order that the best people of Russia are now dying.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 29 May 2022 21: 01
      +1
      Is the presence of a fifth column in Russia news to you? If not, then you have the answer to your question.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 29 May 2022 21: 21
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Quote from Mikhail L.
    if it carries out re-industrialization in the controlled territories.
    It will pay off handsomely!

    Can we start with Russia?

    What about working with TWO hands instead of one? When did you clean the Augean stable in your head?
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 May 2022 14: 37
      -1
      Quote: dub0vitsky
      When did you clean the Augean stable in your head?

      In your head? This feat is worthy of Hercules, and not of my humble person.
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 30 May 2022 17: 06
      0
      Quote: dub0vitsky
      When did you clean the Augean stable in your head?

      Victor, liberals are not engaged in "dirty" work. laughing
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 29 May 2022 21: 22
    -1
    Quote from: vo2022smysl
    Quote: guest
    Whoever spoke about a foreign industry, we are talking about territories that sooner or later will become part of the Russian Federation.

    But what about the world without annexations and indemnities?! winked

    And you need to go to the mausoleum and ask the author of these lines.
    1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
      Vox Populi (vox populi) 31 May 2022 18: 00
      0
      There is essentially nothing to answer or imperialism in action?!
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 29 May 2022 21: 29
    -1
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    These arguments would be good for socialism - you seized factories, you produce products for the country.

    But for imperialism, the rules are different. He captured the plant - and you pump out all the juices, then you "optimize" so that you are not a competitor,

    There has been no flourishing of the economy over these 8 years in the LDNR. The impoverishment of the population, the export of coal and metal to the left, the corruption of customs officers - which is now being written a lot, the closure of enterprises, accidents and low wages in the mines. Edro, the end of the Russian spring .....

    Imperialism is the export of capital, not the development of territories.
    For example, where are the Chechen buggies once promoted ??? you know where...

    Only people like you ... do not understand that the USSR died, and his corpse was dragged away in different directions, no less than 15 in their kurmish. Let me ask you a question - if you pull out your liver (and the collapsed USSR is nothing more than pieces of a single organism), then how long will it take you to restore it? Finding a donor is, after all, more reliable and with a decent guarantee for recovery. Competitor. If he has loot, and if the new government ALLOWS HE, he will be able to organize the restoration of production. But, most likely, this will not be done by a competitor, but by an owner already working in this industry. Having a credit history, and opportunities. Most likely, the state will allocate loans to him (or foreign ones, which I now doubt) than a dark horse.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 29 May 2022 22: 03
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    We were told that they had been gone for a long time.

    If, say, an assembly shop, or a procurement, casting metal or plastic shop is removed at any enterprise, then production will stop altogether. But there are elements that are quite suitable for restoration. The rest can be picked up quickly. We had a scandal in Russia. The production of nails disappeared. The entire construction industry could stand up, although for this it would be necessary to restore or purchase a couple of dozen machine tools throughout the country. No, your head does not work from the word ABSOLUTELY.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 May 2022 14: 47
      -2
      I wonder how old you are.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 30 May 2022 16: 58
        0
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        I wonder how old are you?

        Oleg RamboverYou are looking in the wrong place, the kindergarten is elsewhere. laughing
  • guest Offline guest
    guest 30 May 2022 13: 54
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Their firm all profits from activities in Russia will be sent to humanitarian aid to the citizens of Ukraine.

    This firm should be prosecuted in Russia for financing terrorism.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 30 May 2022 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    I wonder how old you are.

    75 years old. And experience as a design engineer for a quarter of a century. The profession THINK has taught.
    1. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
      Vox Populi (vox populi) 31 May 2022 18: 06
      0
      Old age and wisdom come with age, but sometimes old age comes alone... lol
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 30 May 2022 16: 36
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    When did you clean the Augean stable in your head?

    In your head? This feat is worthy of Hercules, and not of my humble person.

    If you don’t have the strength to do it IMMEDIATELY, start in parts, it’s still necessary. My dear man, it was never harmful to think. Learn, get information, from different sources, and THINK.
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 31 May 2022 07: 33
    +1
    By and large, there is nothing to take there, except for copyrights and technical documentation (this is what the Chinese need), since 20 years ago all Ukrainian production was extremely low, even by the standards of the Soviet automobile industry, in quality (I can judge this by the quality of parts on An-148, which went from Ukraine to Voronezh, to VASO... It was a marriage of almost 50%) And it is not yet known what will remain of these factories after the war. It is better to develop domestic motor building in Perm and Rybinsk, and to transfer the production of something not essential to Ukraine, or to leave what was done in Ukraine of normal quality, for example, a tire plant, in the city of Belaya Tserkov, Kyiv Region. Then somehow Matvienko said that in the Russian Federation Westerners ruined all the production of nails, so let them make nails in Ukraine. I hope they get through this without a hitch.
  • k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 31 May 2022 12: 06
    +1
    Quote: FGJCNJK
    And who pushed back? Who stopped Donetsk and Luhansk 8 years ago in their desire to reach Kyiv? Who is the bastard who signed the order? Give the name and surname of this freak of the human race, because it is because of this order that the best people of Russia are now dying

    I know the answer, but you won't like it. Even before the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in 2014, Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin personally asked the organizers of the referendum to abandon this idea. He then directly said that the purpose of the Russian Spring (later to become Crimean) was the Crimea and Sevastopol, and Donetsk and Lugansk were not included in Moscow's plans.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 31 May 2022 18: 11
    +1
    Quote from Vox Populi
    Old age and wisdom come with age, but sometimes old age comes alone... lol

    In youth, it also often does not happen. This is especially noticeable by the fact that the worn-out ALIENS, who expressed a hundred years ago, present it as their own. If only (c) put it at the end, you scoundrel. Distinctive citation mark.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 31 May 2022 18: 13
    +1
    Quote from Vox Populi
    There is essentially nothing to answer or imperialism in action?!

    And what, is retelling better than talking with the author? You can see the habit of waiting for prompts and cheating.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 31 May 2022 23: 50
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Not that he was, but even took part. For example, our company participated in the dismantling of buildings on the territory of the NPF "Pigment". It was a gigantic enterprise, now it has disappeared, almost the entire territory is built up with a residential complex. Been to the Red Triangle, life there was barely glimmering, half rented, half empty. Type in Yandex-pictures "Red Triangle" - shots worthy of Mariupol today.
    I visited the Vereteno factory, one of the oldest enterprises in the city, as far as I know, shows no signs of life. I have been to many smaller ones, there are tenants everywhere, activity in the profile is minimal, desolation and devastation. Probably somewhere everything is different, but I did not manage to visit such enterprises. Only on new foreign ones. (Philip Maurice Izhora, Bosh)

    Judging by the list of enterprises that you listed, you dealt with light industry. Privatization in the USSR concerned mainly services, trade, and industry, which was not considered strategic. It is these industries that have collapsed to a greater extent. Naturally, the state sought to throw off the branches that did not bring profit from its shoulders. sustainable. The defense remained in the hands and suffered less. Rosatom. Space. Railway. Energy. You could go on and on, but these are just examples.