Russia versus the West: what should be our victory?


Recently, we, and not only we, have clearly had serious problems with concepts. Here I do not mean "concepts" according to the definitions of the nineties, which, thank God, have long ended in Russia. Although in the nineties, the semi-criminal expression “life according to concepts”, which became widely known, meant nothing more than a relationship regulated by some written or more often unwritten, but, as it were, well-known rules. And these rules were established by those in whose hands then there was simply brute force, and therefore power (“order based on rules” - does it remind you of anything?), violation or going beyond which did not bode well for the guilty person. But their meaning, in principle, is the same - these are definitions of what is good, and what is bad, what can and cannot be done, is not accepted, etc.


In various open and closed debates there is also an active discussion about our ideology - do we have it or not? Does she need? What is it in general and what is it? What is a value system and what are these values ​​themselves? Here, again, I mean a certain type of these same values ​​- intangible. Everything seems to be clear with material things, and they remain just the same for centuries, if not longer - gold, for example, is a value, housing, land, food, water, energy and energy carriers, any, from banal firewood to high-tech liquefied gas or uranium rods to nuclear power plants, etc., are all material values. Everything is more difficult with intangibles. Values ​​or concepts such as family, faith (in God and not only), people, truth, lies, Motherland and much more, which are decisive in the life of every person, have recently changed literally before our eyes, during the lifetime of one generation. And it's really scary. We often blame the so-called West for the loss or erosion of traditional values, although we ourselves, to tell the truth, do not fare much better in this sense. We ourselves cannot (or for some reason do not want to) answer seemingly elementary questions: who are we? Where are we moving? What is our goal? If we fight, why?

I do not take the liberty of talking about all the concepts or values ​​and their real content. It's hard and long. As it turns out recently, even in such great and eternal books as the Bible, the Koran or, for example, the Torah, many concepts or values ​​are interpreted differently by different people. But in the light of the current events, namely the special military operation launched by the leadership of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, it seems to me that the word victory.

Personally, I am a politically absolutely irresponsible person, and as a freelance author I am not accountable and independent to anyone, so I will risk here, using the freedom of speech we have, to speculate about what, it seems to me, more engaged persons are simply afraid to speak out loud. But at the same time, they clearly cannot understand this.

Of course, all of us who consider ourselves part of the multinational and multi-confessional Russian people are sure that victory will surely follow us, because our cause is just. But with the definition of what exactly this victory should be, clearly there are certain problems. And the Russian leadership is here, I must say, both to its own citizens, and, I am sure, to a huge mass of sympathizers around the world, as, in fact, to our enemies, the concept and meaning of this very future victories, which we all look forward to, either cannot explain, or does not want to ...

With regard to the very territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief seemed to clearly say: "The goal is the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine." For us, those who still somehow know the history of the last world war, using the examples of the same Germany or Japan, it seems to be approximately clear how this, at least in theory, should happen. Already did. But then suddenly our Ministry of Foreign Affairs declares that the goal of the SVO “is not to overthrow the current Ukrainian regime” ... Excuse me, how is that? This is how we, excuse me, denazify and demilitarize the country, while leaving the ruling regime in it, which just completely nazified and militarized it? Or here's another - "our goal is not to seize or occupy the entire territory of Ukraine" ... And what is this? Let's reach, for example, the Dnieper, denazify everything there, and what else? Will it just pull up? Ideological fascists and Bandera, who have been nurtured there for decades with Western funds, will simply see that in the Kherson region gasoline and communal services are three times cheaper, that they again began to celebrate Victory Day and study history normally in schools, and they themselves will move into the wonderful “Russian world”, who was previously hated fiercely? Or will they promise us some kind of “neutral status”, and we will just take it and believe it? To those who have lied all their history and are lying not only to the whole world around them, but also to themselves, and then, in front of a blue eye, all this lies are just as easily justified?

Yes, I have heard many times and I understand that it would be politically incorrect in this case to set certain specific goals in advance. It’s like something won’t work out, and the people won’t understand, there will be internal problems ... Abroad, again, they will no longer be respected ... And so, they say, what we achieve, then we will declare it a pre-set and achieved goal - it’s convenient. Maybe. But it's definitely stupid and wrong. Yes, and our people in this sense should not be underestimated - they will definitely understand everything. But not the fact that he will. And will it even count? victory? We ourselves have been saying for a long time, even before the start of the special military operation, that Ukraine is only part of the problem. This means that CBO is only part of its solution. That is, even its most successful completion, whatever that means, victory will not appear yet. We all understand that we are at war, in fact, not with Ukraine and its puppet regime, but with what is collectively called the “collective West”. That is, and victory in this very, as it is called, either hybrid, or global, or indirect, in general, whatever, but still, there should be a war victory over this very West, and not otherwise. And here, too, there is some, it seems to me, deliberate confusion in these very concepts. At the same time, the intent is not ours - the enemy's. And for some reason we peck at him again. And, based on this intent, we are fighting almost against the entire "civilized world", ourselves in this world being an evil and aggressive outcast.

And this very "collective West", aka the "civilized world" - what is it anyway? Maybe it's the Poles and the Balts, constantly barking in our direction, spitting saliva of outright hatred? Are they really so powerful and brave that they allow themselves to offend great Russia, destroy our monuments, humiliate and poison people close to us in spirit and views? It is unlikely - on their own, without serious cover, they definitely would not have dared to do this. Well, not the same scale and not the same opportunities. The United Kingdom, which recently broke away from the EU, is great only in its incomprehensibly preserved historical name? A relatively small island with a couple of "trailers" off the western coast of the European continent, with a ridiculously large land army, some of the best, but far from the most modern Air Force and Navy, which nominally even includes a couple of American-made nuclear missiles, which we are even threatened with ...

Judging by the words of Dmitry Rogozin, the entire "great Britain" is an adequate target for just one "Sarmat", which these islanders, if anything, have nothing to stop. So it’s also not at all the right caliber, I’m sorry, for hitting the Russian Federation ... Maybe one of the largest state formations on the planet, the so-called European Union, which in fact has a single government and pursues a single foreign policy line? Well, yes, this is an association of a large number of truly highly developed and, by all intents and purposes, the richest countries in the world, as it may seem at first glance, with a population of almost half a billion people. developed Technology, industry... One of the members - France - even has its own nuclear weapons. Very little, however, and not the most effective by modern standards. But upon closer examination of each of the members individually, and especially recently, it becomes clear that in reality this is nothing more than a bunch of absolutely defenseless and completely dependent on external factors military forces.political dwarfs who, even huddled together, without additional powerful outside support, would not have dared to look askance towards Russia of the 2022 model. But they attack, bite, insult, even seem to be trying to “cancel” everything Russian. At the same time, all these wonderful states, already presumptuous in their Russophobia, are members of one really powerful military bloc - the North Atlantic Alliance, NATO. And the NATO bloc itself, in essence, is nothing more than a watchdog of a real superpower - the United States. And only America actually makes this whole alliance really strong, only it has the most powerful global the economy and armed forces capable of resisting other world giants such as Russia and China.

Yes, there are also Asian "tigers" - Japan and South Korea, which have such wonderful relations both among themselves and with all their neighbors that if there were no powerful American military bases on their territory, then there would have been no longer existing and these countries themselves. There are also quite large in terms of territory, but extremely sparsely populated Australia (26 million people) and Canada (38 million people), which in all respects are in fact semi-colonies of the United States. That's the whole "consolidated West", aka the "civilized world", but in reality only a private "sandbox for games" of one owner - the United States of America. And it is with them that we are at war, or rather, they unleashed a war of annihilation against us, and they don’t really hide it in any way. And for quite some time now. All the rest and everything else called “the West” are just the tools of this war, using and substituting which America itself hopes to survive, while destroying its enemy, that is, us in this case and first of all. And in the future, apparently, China.

And here I will return to the original topic of the article - to concepts, and specifically to the concept victories. Imagine if, say, in 1942, I.V. Stalin declared that the goal of the war, the Great Patriotic War, the USSR against Nazi Germany, and in fact, again, about the same “consolidated West”, with rare exceptions, is not to destroy enemy, but, say, preventing the complete destruction of our country ... Agree, a strange formulation of goals for the ongoing Patriotic War, isn't it? Well, that is, we would allow Hitler to even “bite off” something from us and calmly continue to exist for his entire misanthropic regime, if he still leaves us something and leaves us alone ...

Even now, as they say, we are told “from every iron” that this war is also Patriotic and also for destruction, for the destruction of all of us as a state, as a people, as a culture.

It seems to have arrived. Perfectly. There is, as it were, an enemy, and it is quite definite, from my point of view, the United States of America. There will be no USA, there will be no "raids" of Europe and NATO expansion, claims to the Kuril Islands or the Northern Sea Route, sanctions, insults, destroyed monuments, desecrated history and culture, humiliation of compatriots, there will be no all this shit, which without the American "roof" it’s just that no one’s hand will rise, nor, excuse me, the filthy mouth will not open ...

А victory for us in such a war - then what is it? Is it an attempt to sit out and partially survive? As the well-known joke says, “at least a carcass, at least a stuffed animal”? Hardly... Supreme Commander-in-Chief V. V. Putin personally stated: "... Why do we need such a world if there is no Russia in it?" But if there is an enemy who is trying to destroy us with all available forces, then what are the options victories over such an enemy? What, everyone is scared to say it out loud? And I will say, I will even write - victory for us in this particular case, it is the destruction of the enemy, that is (exclusively from my personal point of view, of course) the destruction of the United States of America as a state in its present form and condition. And nothing else will winb, which means that we will not be able to survive in this world.
And with such a formulation of the question, I have such an assumption, the number of our open allies along this path will increase dramatically.

In order not to be accused of excessive bloodthirstiness, I will make a reservation: the foregoing does not necessarily mean a variant like the “Stalin Name Strait”, that is, the physical destruction of a huge country, not at all. The USSR also collapsed and was not physically destroyed. I, as a person who survived the collapse of the Union and everything connected with it in my own skin, personally, with all my heart, the United States, I wish for about the same fate. And, again, as Soviet practice shows, the issue of the presence of a large number of nuclear weapons in a collapsed state can also be reasonably resolved under a variety of circumstances and contradictions. We will help. Just like they did to us then. As an option.
That's how it is somehow. Otherwise, dear friends, win we will not succeed in this war. And do not deceive yourself and others. As long as the main mortal enemy exists, victories will not.
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  1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 24 May 2022 07: 45
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    Painful?
    Set the task of destroying the United States: theoretically true, but practically impossible.
    "Catch up and overtake the USA" - that's the real prospect.
    But the current leadership of the Russian Federation is not capable of this!
    Hence all the vacillation "above" and "below"!
    1. Muscool Offline Muscool
      Muscool (Glory) 24 May 2022 08: 33
      +2
      Well, let's say in theory we caught up and overtook the United States in the economic component, then what? China, for example, has a larger economy than the United States (not per capita, but total), so what? The United States, as it climbed into foreign countries, continues to do so.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 24 May 2022 09: 24
        -1
        If the Russian Federation emerges as an economic leader, who will they be guided by ... the same Bandera people?
        1. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 24 May 2022 12: 04
          -3
          crests betrayed Russia and participated in all conflicts with Russia on the side of the enemies, when the United States was not even in the plans and they will spoil Russia when the United States is no more ...
          1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
            Michael L. 24 May 2022 12: 33
            +3
            There is no need to generalize: betrayal is not an exclusive property of only Ukrainians!
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 11: 28
      +4
      Y-yes ... It hurt. But if the task is not correctly set and initially considered impossible, then it will never even come close to it.
      Everything is doable. You can lie in front of an enemy bunker for a long time, crawl under bullets, be afraid to raise your head, wait, for example, until the cartridges run out there or the machine gunner wants to go to the toilet, understanding at the same time that both are unrealistic - the cartridges will be brought up, and the soldier is definitely not alone .. Or you can stand up and try to destroy it. Yes, you can die with it. "And why do we need such a world if there is no Russia in it?"
      While this bunker is standing, and everyone in it is alive and well, we cannot raise our heads.

      HOW is another question. They also have problems inside there, you can do it, push the buttons. Troops around the world need someone who needs the right weapons and equipment for destruction, etc. And do not be shy at the same time, just like they
      Against the scrap of no reception, if there is no other scrap.
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 15
        +1
        You are right - you need to set tasks CORRECTLY. Then their implementation will be easier (compared to impossible ones in principle).
        I was always surprised - WHY ARE WE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH SOMEONE in the economy, sports (which in itself (unlike FC) is harmful as such - as a teacher I know about it), in military strength, in scientific achievements, in prosperity of the population. ..etc.? What for? After all, this path INITIALLY leads to a dead end!
        To me, as someone who has already lived and seen (in the USSR I traveled across the whole country from east to west and all the way to the south ... almost lived abroad in Czechoslovakia), I see an option in which we should GENERALLY be so impregnable (in military and , smaller, in the economic sense), so that NO ONE EVEN THOUGHT to contact us! For the answer should be the INSTANT DESTRUCTION of that state, which will only try to OPEN THE MOUTH in our direction. To isolate themselves FROM ENEMIES (by making them absent for us as countries), forbidding their diplomacy and visiting our country, removing our diplomats and citizens from their countries. Without refusing to normal countries (who want to work with us to build peace) both in diplomacy and in visiting ... only we need to allow them with caution to our population (otherwise we know them! wink ). Maybe then something will reach them ... although it is unlikely .....
        For a visual demonstration, I propose to show the absence of small Britons ... (poke laughing ).
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 24 May 2022 13: 22
          -2
          Proposing "Closing Japan"?
          Life has shown the futility of such an idea!
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex 3 June 2022 08: 03
            +1
            Japan? Maybe, maybe ... And "the prospect of such an idea" ... is a question of the security of our borders, actually ... Is it okay that this is a Yankee "land aircraft carrier"?
        2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 13: 52
          +3
          In every joke there is a share of a joke - I'm for it! wink
          Well, I’m really tired of it all already ... And we all agree on something with them, we supply something else to them ... And at the same time, we’re at war with them ... How is it in general ??? I don't understand here.
          1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
            Michael L. 24 May 2022 14: 12
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            I do not want to dissemble that everything is clear to me.
            But the problem is probably in the primacy of politics over the economy of the collective West in relation to the Russian Federation.
            ...Battle for resources!
            Their business is guided by short-term mercantile interests, and politicians look longingly at the natural resources of vast Russia, and for the sake of such a prospect they are ready to make material sacrifices ... of their citizens.
            So isn't it logical: to use all available potential for our own accelerated development?
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 14: 44
              +3
              Logically. And you really need to do it. But I already answered someone here: let's see what the USA is doing - tough expansion around the world and suppression of any competition in the most unsightly ways, and inside everything is already applied by itself. They would never have lived so well inside, if half the world had not been under their occupation ... And all these words, they say, let's deal with our problems inside, and not be sprayed on the outer perimeter, etc. - this is unrealistic, and no one can do this for us will not give, from the outside will not give. And we will never live well inside without solving the problems outside.
              1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
                Michael L. 24 May 2022 16: 37
                +1
                According to the classical definition: foreign policy is a continuation of domestic policy.
                To solve external problems: you should pump up your (!) muscles!
                1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 18: 38
                  +2
                  Look at the history of the Second World War: we pumped up the muscles inside to strike out. Yes, and due to the loss of internal comfort. by tightening conditions for themselves. And if we kind of build internal welfare for welfare, then nothing will come of it. Outside just sort out our well-being.
                  And all this snot "let's build, let's take care of ourselves ..." this is actually pure enemy propaganda, the standard of living in the Russian Federation is now really high by global standards. It is clear that you always want better, but do you think the Germans or the Americans do not want to? The difference is that in the Russian Federation it has been constantly growing for the last at least 10 years, while in the USA and Germany, for example, it has been falling for the same time ...
                  You have to be happy with what you have. To be able and have desire to protect it. If this is not done, it will not be better to live - on the contrary, they will take away what is
          2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex 3 June 2022 07: 53
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            How, you ask? And this is how we fight with one hand against the former Ukrainian SSR, and with the other we agree on the transfer of Ukrainian wheat abroad (despite the fact that the sowing season DOES NOT GO on the same Ukrainian territory to the extent it should be), i.e. We provide Wishlist of the same West! Sheer absurdity!
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 11: 45
      -1
      Quote from Mikhail L.
      "Catch up and overtake the USA" - that's the real prospect.

      This is also not a realistic task. Our population is 2 times smaller, and productivity is at the level of China. In order to catch up and overtake, either the population must be increased several times, or productivity must be 2 times higher than that of the Americans. In the nearest historical perspective, this is not visible.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 24 May 2022 12: 40
        +2
        I thought that the slogan: "Catch up and overtake the USA" was put forward by N.S. Khrushchev.
        But it turns out: "Catch up and overtake" - often quoted words from V.I. Lenin's work "The Threatening Catastrophe and How to Fight It."
        There is something to think about in the context of the "immediate historical perspective"!
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 19: 48
          -4
          You promote dangerous things!

          The revolution did what in a few months Russia caught up with the advanced countries in its political system.

          Do you propose to catch up with the advanced countries in terms of political system? I do not think that the Russian elites share your ideas.

          In any case, this does not cancel the impossibility of "Catching up and overtaking the USA."
      2. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 24 May 2022 12: 59
        +4
        Oleg Rambover, in order to catch up and overtake the United States, in my opinion, there are several ways. I like the one where we move slowly, thoughtfully, while the US, as a result of our actions, is rushing in a different direction.

        Your reasoning repeater elementary school-primitive. It has long been known that they win not by numbers, but by skill. Ugh, on your "arguments". laughing
    4. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 01
      +2
      "Catch up and overtake the USA" - that's the real prospect.

      ....... One figure with a bald head was already struggling to "catch up and overtake", only for meat and milk ... The result of this was the destruction of the personal farmsteads of collective farmers, after which there was nothing to eat. And this is sabotage. Barely restored under Brezhnev! and that's not the end!)
      You are suggesting the same. And this is nonsense! Remember once and for all - WE DO NOT OWN ANYTHING TO ANYONE! Including playing catch-up with someone. We must JUST LIVE, adjusting this world to our tasks - no more and no less! And those who create problems for us should be destroyed - the author says correctly: the strait is not a strait, but the division into separate states (as they are REALLY called), this is the minimum that will allow us to BUILD THE WORLD for ourselves ..... ........
      Z.Y. There is one small UK that has exhausted its limit of statehood - IT OBTAINS TOO MUCH!!!
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 24 May 2022 13: 20
        0
        Dear,
        Please read my "comment" above (12.40), and don't dangle your feet! ;-(
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex 3 June 2022 07: 48
          0
          Hmm ... I actually wrote to Olezhik ...
    5. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 24 May 2022 16: 34
      0
      And did the US leadership create and develop all sorts of Microsoft and other Intels with AMD and McDonalds there? Or the Americans themselves without the participation of the state? Aren't you tired of this song about the fact that the state owes everyone?
      Take it and do it.
    6. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 May 2022 01: 22
      0
      Russia has only two ways: further down into the abyss, or up again - to the "mountain" peaks. There is no middle way. Maintaining the "status quo", striving for a calm economic development, "catch up and overtake" - this is a continuation of the fall. In a state of self-hypnosis. into a real abyss.
      We have no one who could bring us into an adequate state.
      We'll have to do it ourselves. Compare two points: the USSR in the seventies and eighties with the Warsaw Pact and the world socialist system and Russia in 2022 with its terrible "swamp", into which the country was brought by the power of capital. To finally sober up.
      To resume the rise, it is necessary to return to the path from which Russia left in 1991. You need to accept the fate of the mistake, return what is possible, and move on. To build people's power and a socially just society. A course towards building a communist society on the planet in the distant future. We are not alone on this path, and we will find real friends on it, who, moreover, are very close.
      As for the States, they will simply have to be removed from the road by the threat of nuclear weapons. This effective method was tested by the Soviet Union on the Americans back in 1962.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 May 2022 17: 39
        0
        The surrender of the country by the leaders of the CPSU to the West in 1991 and the capitalism imposed on its people by deceit were not our mistake, but a diversion of the States. Even if against the backdrop of colossal losses, she helped in something concrete.
        Our subsequent hope to turn the result of this sabotage into our victory was a mistake. Unfortunately this is not possible.
        We cannot change the system of coordinates and laws of the outside world, in which the direction mistakenly chosen by the country brings it a slowdown in movement and losses. It will continue to be so until we choose our own - the right one for us, such as we were, are and will be. This direction has already been chosen and tested by our great-grandfathers, protected and raised to a height by our grandfathers... and betrayed by us.
        The last 30 years clearly and clearly prove our mistake and the fact of betrayal.
        Mistakes must be acknowledged and corrected.
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  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 07: 48
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    In order not to be accused of excessive bloodthirstiness, I will make a reservation: the above does not necessarily mean a variant like the “Stalin Name Strait”, that is, the physical destruction of a huge country, not at all.

    The author is kind. Believes that "good" options are possible. But it is hardly possible to do without nuclear war.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 24 May 2022 13: 08
      0
      Expert..., new times, new technologies, new special military operations. It didn't affect you. laughing
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 13: 47
        -2
        What are your old illusions!
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 24 May 2022 14: 14
          0
          What really touched? laughing
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 14: 24
            -2
            No, I'm talking about your illusions about the new.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 24 May 2022 14: 36
              0
              Predictor, then do me a favor, voice my illusions to me, you can have any, but mine. laughing
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 18: 12
                -2
                I have already voiced. About new.
                I won't go into detail. You, too, only throw a few words, without decoding.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 24 May 2022 22: 14
                  0
                  ...Analyst..., brevity, the sister of talent, but not to the same extent. By the way, do you have any other relatives, or only one sister - Brevity? laughing
  3. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 08: 01
    +2
    And I will say, I will even write - victory for us in this particular case is the destruction of the enemy, that is (exclusively from my personal point of view, of course) the destruction of the United States of America, as a state in its modern form and state. And there is no other way to win, and therefore survive in this world, we will not succeed.

    Victory, in my opinion, is an opportunity for Russia to live its own life, to live by its own rules or by rules agreed upon with Russia.
    Yes, most likely, to achieve this, it is necessary to destroy the United States. This is - according to the author, but I am a more evil person, and therefore I also see the destruction of Japan, Great Britain, Poland. And at least. In order to preserve the historical memory for future generations, not only the main instigators will be responsible, but also the rest who have large debts to Russia.
  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 08: 17
    -1
    About achieving victory.
    I would start with a clear and simple concept.
    What Russia considers the red line and what will happen for violations of this line.
    It's obvious from my couch.
    We outline the territory - current Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Transnistria and South Ossetia.
    The appearance of NATO troops or some kind of military action by NATO (or other countries) in these territories is considered a declaration of war on Russia. Moreover, the war will initially be nuclear. Without any buildups and hostilities for six months.
    Moreover, a war with NATO implies immediately inflicting nuclear strikes on the largest urban agglomerations of all NATO countries. Twenty largest agglomerations in each country, I think that will be enough.
    At the same time, it must be expected that the destruction of these agglomerations must be guaranteed, even with a margin.
    And don't tell me it's impossible. Yes, several tens of thousands of warheads and several tens of thousands of carriers. Economically, this is the cheapest way to ensure the security of our country and our people. And the most reliable in the modern world.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 10: 20
      -4
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Twenty largest agglomerations in each country, I think that will be enough.
      At the same time, it must be expected that the destruction of these agglomerations must be guaranteed, even with a margin.
      And don't tell me it's impossible. Yes, several tens of thousands of warheads and several tens of thousands of carriers. Economically, this is the cheapest way to ensure the security of our country and our people. And the most reliable in the modern world.

      People like you are missing one small moment in this idea. They will bang back. What economy, what security? Russia will simply disappear.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 10: 38
        -1
        People like you are missing a simple thing. It is possible to attack Russia in the new conditions only with the aim of destroying it in the shortest possible time. Because otherwise Russia will be fucked up, and it will not seem to anyone. NATO will simply disappear.
        The balance of fear worked well for 40 years. Now some "partners" have lost this fear.
        I propose to return the balance of fear. What do you dislike about this idea? The fact that Russia will put in place the jackals and their master?
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 11: 57
          -2
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          It is possible to attack Russia in the new conditions only with the aim of destroying it in the shortest possible time. Because otherwise Russia will be fucked up, and it will not seem to anyone. NATO will simply disappear.

          NATO will disappear, along with the Russian Federation. Therefore, no one is going to attack. It's called Mutual Assured Destruction.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          The balance of fear worked well for 40 years. Now some "partners" have lost this fear. I propose to return the balance of fear.

          Fear to return in the form of a terrible reality? Then what do they have to lose.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          What do you dislike about this idea? The fact that Russia will put in place the jackals and their master?

          I do not like that, as a result of your bloody fantasies, he will fly to my country and my city. Even if you do not arrive (which seems unlikely), then the whole of Europe will turn into a radioactive dump, and radioactive fallout will not bypass Russia. And most likely it will turn into a universal karachun for humanity in general, regardless of Russian, American, Indian or Australian.
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 19
      +1
      I have a hunch that small britain would be SUFFICIENT for others to follow. And then on the planet it will not be possible to live on the surface.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 18: 16
        -2
        And I think that arrogance is only a NECESSARY example, and not as insufficient. Leaving Japan undestroyed is a strategic mistake.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex 3 June 2022 08: 05
          +1
          For starters, arrogance would be enough ... And japs ​​can be left if they catch them behind a puddle. And if they don’t understand, they will be lowered into the canal ... But what remains of nature is another question ...
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 08: 36
    -1
    The next step, after ensuring and maintaining security within the outlined boundaries, is internal affairs. Without regard to the rules of the West, without regard to possible sanctions. The Russian people must be built and trained.
    The Germans, Japanese and Koreans did not earn their high international reputation by democratic means. Americans, British, by the way the same.

    First, the foundation of the nation is laid by very harsh means, and then, when a reliable foundation has been laid, then the creative energy of the masses begins to work. Now it is useless to hope for an initiative from below. The whip is much stronger than the carrot. As education and personal development increase, this ratio will change in the direction of the carrot.
    That is, it is necessary (from my favorite sofa - this is obvious) to invest in human resources - education and development. And at the expense of economic well-being. The people will not agree to this, but the Power can and should.
    It remains to be hoped that we will have such a power.
    I drew a plan, it remains, all of you, to walk along the path I have indicated.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 10: 24
      -4
      It smacks of some kind of fascism.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 10: 42
        -1
        When there are no arguments, labeling begins.
        Here from such methods of conducting a discussion - it smells.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 19: 53
          -4
          There are always arguments.

          Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state

          Your "hard means are laying the foundation of the nation", "The whip acts much stronger than the carrot." "The people will not agree to this, here is the Power - it can and should."
          Quite out of that area.
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 May 2022 04: 06
            0
            That is, it is necessary (from my favorite sofa - this is obvious) to invest in human resources - education and development.

            And at the expense of economic well-being. The people will not agree to this, but the Power can and should.

            Well, yes, of course, this is definitely fascism wink
            What you don't like is necessarily fascism.
            Especially if it is written about educating and developing the Russian people, this is undoubtedly fascism.
            When the same thing that I propose was done in other countries, this is a civilized path of development.

            Your problem is a poor vocabulary and lack of logic.
      2. guest Offline guest
        guest 24 May 2022 14: 03
        0
        Why are you so stuck on fascism? Your favorite West is real fascists, but you are trying in every possible way not to notice.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 19: 54
          -5
          Quote: guest
          Why are you so stuck on fascism?

          I'm afraid of fascism in Russia.

          Quote: guest
          Your favorite West is real fascists, but you are trying in every possible way not to notice.

          You are deeply mistaken.
          1. guest Offline guest
            guest 24 May 2022 21: 24
            0
            And where and how am I wrong?
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 21: 33
              -3
              Read the definitions of fascism.

              Who says "liberalism" says "individual"; who says "fascism" says "state"

              Read the classics, Mussolini for example. He has everything intelligible.
              1. guest Offline guest
                guest 24 May 2022 21: 39
                +1
                Well, liberalism and fascism are exactly the same thing. It was from liberalism that fascism arose as its radical trend.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 22: 18
                  -6
                  You don’t understand anything about this, but you climb to adult uncles with your fantasies. I gave you a quote that describes the essence of the contradictions between liberalism and fascism. Fascism is anti-liberalism. And you will know that the founder of the fascist movement was a socialist in his youth. Communism is much closer to liberalism.
                  1. guest Offline guest
                    guest 24 May 2022 22: 21
                    +1
                    And who is the adult here? Usually such statements about adult uncles are made just by children.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 18: 35
                      -3
                      Then talk like an adult. If you claim such nonsense as "liberalism and fascism are the same thing," then take the trouble to justify it. And I'll laugh.
                      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex 3 June 2022 08: 32
                        +1
                        There is nothing special to work here - how do all modern liberals proclaim? But how - whoever is against their rules is "not on the right side of history." Who said this about Russia, do you remember? Well, let me remind you - the most liberal, most democratic president in the history of the planet - BH Obama. And what is this if not Nazism? Whoever does not accept their views is subject to destruction. They did it with Yugoslavia, with Libya, with Syria. What is it if not fascism, Nazism? The fact that they are not called fascists or Nazis does not mean that they are not so in essence. All this fascism and Nazism was grown by the West, prepared by the West, armed by the West and used by the West as a tool to suppress the disaffected or those who prevent them from establishing their control over natural resources, over strategic positions. Again, do not remind WHO FIRST carried out the genocide of the indigenous population? Are they not Anglo-Saxons? And what is the difference between the genocide of the population of the OCCUPIED countries among the Nazis and the Anglo-Saxons? Nothing! For the Nazis are diligent students of the British and Americans. They, the Nazis, adopted everything and "improved" what was given to them as an example! Or do you also give examples of the Nazi policy of the Anglo-Saxons?
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 24
      +2
      In principle, I agree ... One correction - everything has already been passed before us. We ONLY need to REMEMBER all the best that has already happened before us. And the people ... the people still, for the most part, live according to the moral code of the former USSR! Only our elite is fermenting in liberalism, but the people have not accepted this ...
  6. Kade_t Offline Kade_t
    Kade_t (Igor) 24 May 2022 09: 38
    -1
    Destroying the United States is an impossible task, it is possible to resist only in a military-economic alliance with China, individually we are vulnerable and will shake us non-stop.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 25
      0
      Hmm ... Who else would you suggest lying under? Under the Britons - they were, under the Germans - they were, under the Yankees - too ... Now under the Chinese? Have you tried it with your mind? Why do you always need a HOST from behind a hillock? What kind of slave psychology?
  7. wasp Offline wasp
    wasp 24 May 2022 09: 40
    +1
    I fully agree with the author!
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2022 10: 39
    +1
    And, instead of developing the economy, squeezing thieves, creating conditions ... - without getting off the couch, mentally gasp around Omerik ...

    The problem is that the oligarchs have power, and they live / lived over the hill ... Property, business, families ....
    but about them, who brought the country and failed everything - no, no, no way ... it’s better to dream of gasping ....
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 11: 05
      -4
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      instead of developing the economy, squeezing thieves, creating conditions ..

      Slogans, slogans... Some of the Soviet authorities adopted the worst thing - to throw general phrases at the masses. Sometimes even correct, but always absolutely useless.
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 11: 41
      +2
      And you, Sergey, do you think that everything is in order with the economy in the USA? Are there no thieves? Is there no corruption? Are the people happy? Are there any national/religious/political differences? Do there thieves / corrupt officials / politicians have no assets and tails abroad? There are no troops in various dark places, where anything can happen? Do people never get sick? Are there any vulnerabilities?
      They have it all. Only they beat us around all this, but we don’t ... Or at least not much ...
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 28
        +4
        The basis of the leadership of a country called the United States is lobbying for everything and everything.
        And lobbying is corruption built into the LAW !!!
      2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2022 13: 37
        0
        Naive objections.
        Mafia is immortal - everyone remembers.

        They have everything too. But the percentage ratio is important ... It’s not their Nashi who run to us, it’s not our dachas that the elite buys them ....... but about that shhh! bottom
        The main thing is that they have a developed industry and trade, which can build and maintain 12 aircraft carriers and a bunch of bases, a bunch of specialists, NASA, telescopes, etc., little inflation, (was), and the population is 2,5 times larger.

        China has developed the economy - and now aims to be the leader. also aircraft carriers, specialists, bases ...
        Only the telescope has not yet been in time ....
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 13: 56
          +2
          First, the mafia is very mortal. Especially if you act with her by her own methods.
          And what about the economy, etc., etc. - and the United States is mostly doing what in general? Fighting corruption within yourself and raising the standard of living of your own population, which you are constantly calling for, or is it still a rough expansion around the world, successful, I must say, and everything else is already attached? I just think that the second ... And in this we need to take an example from them, and not "adapt to new conditions" ... let's breathe even more through a straw ...
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2022 14: 38
            +1
            To know what to do, you have to live there. Since they can build 12 aircraft carriers for themselves without burning down and without drowning the docks, then they can.
            And expansion brings money, where without them. - trade, hard, soft, everywhere.
            The main thing is that there should be something - cars, tanks, aircraft carriers or turbines ...
            What place does the United States take in trade, for example, with India .. Germany ... Honduras ..
            And Russia, with its gas-oil-nickel?
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 14: 58
              +1
              They built these 12 aircraft carriers, etc., a long time ago, in a very calm environment for themselves and with the possibility of unlimited printing of dollars. Half of them are actually in service now. And today, even one for 10 years has not been brought to mind in any way.
              The share of US trade with developed countries is largely imaginary money turnover, in fact, until recently, and taking into account our energy resources, we had a comparable turnover with Germany. But what are the States themselves striving for with all their actions, or is it to supply these same energy carriers to Europe instead of us? Become that gas station...
              And in order to force someone to buy your product, it is necessary to force him ... This is what they do with Europe, and with India ... apparently with Honduras as well.
              This is not about the best quality, not about economic benefits, it's about corruption, raids, threats, etc., "rule-based order" = life according to concepts, concepts are set by godfather - the USA. You're a godfather, you can become one yourself. If we want to be a superpower and not go under anyone, it will not work out differently.
              And all this, they say, let's take care of ourselves, inside ... raise, develop, etc. - they will not let us do this until we crush them, in any way, even by military, even by collapse from within, even economically along with the same China. .. But for this it is necessary to show all potential allies the PURPOSE, and not chew snot. No one will join the chewing snot. For fighters, yes. If there is a chance to win, and he is. There are no eternal empires
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2022 15: 12
                +1
                Everything can be explained. Many aircraft carriers - that's how they stand.
                The turnover with Germany is in the first places, and Russia is in 10x - so this is incorrectly calculated ...
                and they are forced to buy ... Germany, China and India, by force ... they do not want, but they are forced ....

                Godfather - yes, strength. so you need to swing, everyone knows ... China is swinging, India is swinging.

                The media dream that someone will ruin it from the inside ... oh, ufologists, oh Mexicans, oh Turkey, oh blacks, oh Democrats, oh old Biden ...
                And the government declares that import substitution has failed, but quietly, without advertising, it sells gold, nickel, oil, etc. to them. Money doesn't smell, but let the readers keep reading...

                like in the old movie: "if you didn't steal everything, there would be Poland from sea to sea ..."
                1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 17: 34
                  0
                  ... I'm not even talking about the fact that they are worth, I'm talking about the fact that they are 50 years old ... And they didn’t cut their fleet in the 90s and didn’t sell it, but they forced us. As for import substitution, no one has it, and if they fight the United States in kind, then they cannot do it at all, even in theory.
                  It’s just that you really need to fight, and yes, don’t sell them anything, cut it on your nose that money smells. And the analogs of SMERSH and the NKVD, for some, the GULAG may also be trusted - they don’t win wars with liberal democracy ...
                  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2022 19: 53
                    +1
                    Naivety.
                    Who there we have said that he is the most correct Nationalist? and Liberal Democrat?
                    No Smersh will help, remember the Milliards of Colonel Zakharchenko ... and the thickness of the cheeks of various leaders, such as Serdyukov ...
                    To throw drugs on the poor - yes, to catch old scientists that they are interrupted on grants and blurted out something - yes too ....
                    And nothing will be done against the real Duma members who clapped for the amers ...

                    But they forced them to remember how much it costs to maintain a fleet.
                    Even the Americans, for what, take the ships out of the composition if they don’t fit ...
                    No one kept from the republics, all the surpluses were sold to India and China. Programs are still being cut. The Navy.
                    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 20: 22
                      0
                      ... you somehow write too abbreviated, for the initiated, apparently, I don’t get it very much ...
                      I know about the fleet, but in the 90s the ships were not taken out because of old age, but for the same reason, why the army from Europe ...
                      And the Duma and Serdyukovites - for this we need the camp ... And there will be the right people ... I wish I were in the SMER or the NKVD with pleasure, and there would be knowledge, but who will let me in ... laughing
                      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 May 2022 22: 34
                        0
                        1) said that he is the most correct Nationalist? and Liberal Democrat? - Guarantor.
                        And not once, and he is not alone. Peskov, for example, too.
                        + Kudrins, Sobchaks and other honored democrats are friends.
                        And what is Smersh then?
                        Even Ulyukaev, who was hiding from his own, left ahead of schedule honorably from captivity on 4 not weak cars ....

                        2) It costs money to maintain ships. They don’t advertise with us, they nod more to the west, but it flickers .... The nuclear submarine at the pier - for a million rubles a day, now it’s probably more ... The flight of the White Swan is also a crazy amount. Naturally, all the republics rushed to get rid of, or sell .....
                      2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 23: 27
                        +2
                        ... and which republics, excuse me, had nuclear submarines and White Swans ??? What about cruisers and destroyers? BOD? We only have ... and ours sold it, to the American tune. About this, I just know enough where and who has been sitting with us since the late 80s, unfortunately. Although many then, and our officers, really believed that they say peace-friendship-chewing gum ... And they just nodded and grinned, ...
                        I won’t lie, I don’t know how much a nuclear submarine’s day at the pier costs .... A good army is generally an expensive thing ...
                        Ulyukaev, nevertheless, sat down and left according to the law. They took money from him. Cars are garbage and not an indicator in our time. Sobchak was a friend of the pope, not Ksyusha from the word at all ... But Kudrin was not imprisoned, but removed from decisions. They planted other people's solutions at a price to check. So it's not all that bad. But I'm talking about something and say that you can do better. Here we are at war with them, here we sell something to them, here we wrap fish - I don’t understand this either. BUT, well done Americans after all! How cool they helped us get rid of the compradors! No worse than SMERSH, and they even collected money on foreign accounts, which we ourselves could not have done. wink
                      3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 May 2022 09: 34
                        +1
                        There was no nuclear submarine - they sold what they had.
                        Nuclear, as I remember, they took everything to themselves, i.e. cut and sell

                        Ulyukaev sat down, because he ran into Miller himself, and not into some kind of Kaspersky ... Kudrin -

                        And the Americans ... - They wrote here that they gave Russia a larger share from Rusal than it was under the pro-Kremlin oligarchs. That is, such lawlessness as it was is unacceptable for them ...
                  2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 23: 19
                    -4
                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    I wish I were in SMER or the NKVD with pleasure, and there would be knowledge, but who will let me in ...

                    Do you want to shoot fellow citizens? Just remember, at 37 comrades from the NKVD lay down next to those whom they themselves laid down and less than a year had passed.
                  3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 May 2022 13: 24
                    0
                    SMERSH, dear, appeared in 1943, and in 1937 the wrong ones died, those much later ... And it’s not at all necessary to shoot, many were treated differently, often used to their advantage. Learn history...
                    Although, of course, there are no kinks anywhere ... But this does not mean that the tool itself was ineffective
                  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 17: 01
                    -3
                    I have read something

                    head of Smersh Abakumov Viktor Semyonovich, a traitor to the Motherland, a member of the Zionist conspiracy. Shot.

                    People's Commissar of the NKVD Yagoda Genrikh Grigoryevich - a spy, a Trotskyist-fascist conspirator, was preparing an assassination attempt on Stalin and Yezhov. Shot.

                    People's Commissar of the NKVD Yezhov Nikolai Ivanovich - prepared a coup d'etat, prepared a terrorist attack against the leaders of the party and government during a demonstration on Red Square in Moscow, a murderer, a spy and a sodomy. Shot.

                    People's Commissar of the NKVD Beria Lavrenty Pavlovich - a traitor, spy, murderer, "using his position as People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR, secretly from the Soviet government, tried through the Bulgarian ambassador Stamenov to start negotiations with Hitler and the price of ceding the Soviet lands of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, the Karelian Isthmus to Nazi Germany , Bessarabia, Bukovina and the enslavement of the Soviet people, enter into a shameful agreement with Hitler to end the war", "Committed crimes against humanity, making experiments on testing poisons on living people." Shot.

                    Of the 37 people who held the title of Commissar of State Security in 1935, two people survived the repressions.
                    In 1938, 75% of the heads of the Republican NKVD, the UNKVD of the territories and regions and divisions of the central apparatus turned out to be traitors. Of the rank and file, every tenth was arrested at 37-38.

                    In what other body of power in the USSR were there so many traitors and enemies of the people!?
                    Worthy people you have chosen to follow.
                  5. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 May 2022 17: 12
                    0
                    If the result of my activity will be assistance in the successful defeat and destruction of the United States, to hell with it, let them shoot him later ... soldier
                    The victory was ours in the end...
                    But I will try not to make the mistakes of my predecessors, I love history and diligently study ... wink
                  6. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 25 May 2022 19: 44
                    +1
                    Alexey, the United States has the largest community of Jews in the world. She voted for Biden. We know how those elections were held, they showed it. There were no elections in Ukraine either. Then there was deception. People believed that the Jew and the Nazis could not be together, they wanted peace...
                  7. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 May 2022 22: 57
                    0
                    It's all true, but I don't understand what you're getting at?
                    And, by the way, many of the American Jewish community are already very disappointed by Biden's actions, I'm not talking about Jews outside the United States, in particular in Israel ... Although there are exceptions there too ...
                    But, by the way, some Jews also served in the Wehrmacht, in particular in a special unit called Brandenburg, while it had not yet turned into a field division, but was engaged exclusively in reconnaissance and sabotage, including in then British Palestine ...
                  8. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 26 May 2022 00: 26
                    0
                    Alexey, I tend to believe that people who call themselves Jews have mastered two forms of existence. The community, as a means of subsistence, has been used by them for a long time, and the state is relatively recent. Without the participation of this community, Israel was not on the map.

                    The last US elections only confirms their active participation and influence, the US community voted for Biden, they successfully appoint presidents.

                    Watching the behavior of this public, which wants to turn the whole world into a community, or at worst into a commune, one can try to predict what else can happen.

                    What is good about such a form of existence as a community and why has it survived to this day? How to manage it? I have many questions, few answers. smile

                    PS Whether liberals or communists, the community looms ahead. It looks like we just blocked the other way. laughing
                  9. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 26 May 2022 10: 38
                    +1
                    And what, apart from liberals and communists, there is no one else left?
                  10. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 May 2022 11: 43
                    -2
                    Of course left. There is still fascism.
                  11. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 26 May 2022 12: 17
                    +1
                    Ah... I thought they are now called "liberals"... Look at the NATO logo so slightly at a distance... Doesn't remember anything???
                  12. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 May 2022 13: 05
                    -3
                    No, what are you talking nonsense. Fascists are now called statesmen.

                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    You look at the NATO emblem so slightly at a distance ... Doesn't it remember anything ???

                    Wind rose?
                  13. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 26 May 2022 13: 25
                    +2
                    Look closely at the blue color in the star, focus ...

                  14. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 May 2022 13: 48
                    -4
                    Well I do not know. Emblem of the USSR


                    You better take a look at the flag of the Finnish Air Force, you will be bombed at all.
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 26 May 2022 13: 17
                0
                Alexey, cleverness speaks only liberal Oleg Rambover, get used to it.
                Without false modesty, I succeed so far. laughing
  9. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 May 2022 00: 19
    -4
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    If the result of my activity will be assistance in the successful defeat and destruction of the United States, to hell with it, let them shoot him later ...

    How can your fantasies about repression against your own fellow citizens help in "defeating and destroying the USA", if they suddenly come true? No, rather the opposite.

    Quote: Pyshenkov
    But I will try not to make the mistakes of my predecessors, I love history and diligently study ...

    What mistakes? The main mistake of Yezhov and his staff was that they ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the "Great Terror" is still arguing about the motives, then there are no questions for the subsequent purge in the NKVD, it was a completely logical action to deprive the NKVD of the political influence gained during the "Great Terror".
  10. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 26 May 2022 10: 37
    +1
    Yezhov's main "mistake" was that he was fundamentally stupid and unsuitable for such work, and when he got into it, like many by the way then, he worked for himself and for his career more than for the result. The main mistake of Beria, who was almost the complete opposite of Yezhov, was precisely the focus on the result and the omissions in the field of security, including his own - that's just who should have been rubbed into powder in time .... But both really died in the result of mistakes, although completely different. At the same time, Beria achieved most of the goals set for him, albeit with a lot of "side effects", while Yezhov had more "side effects" than real successes. And this was just reflected in the position of the USSR after Yezhov and after Beria - compare the difference. You have too superficial an idea about the history of various "purges", "great terror", etc.
    And about repressions against fellow citizens, firstly, I have no fantasy ideas, but there is a specific understanding of who and how helps the enemy, both directly and consciously and indirectly. Secondly, I didn’t say anything about repressions, this, of course, is also a method in certain cases, but there are other options for influencing the modern world ... SMERSH - 2022! laughing

    PS I would start at least with mandatory registration in any online communities under a real last name and first name, you will see how SMERSH will immediately decrease in work ... wink
    And there are many such things, simple, effective and without reprisals, but ... in relation to especially frantic ones, there is no way without repressions either!
  11. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 26 May 2022 13: 35
    +1
    Today we know well how to denigrate white and whitewash black. smile

  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 10: 44
    -2
    Quote: Kade_t
    Destroying the United States is an impossible task

    What hangover?

    Quote: Kade_t
    it is possible to resist, only in a military-economic alliance with China, individually we are vulnerable

    Why do you think so? Or do you think that immortals live in the USA?
  • andrey ivanov_2 Offline andrey ivanov_2
    andrey ivanov_2 (Andrey Ivanov) 24 May 2022 10: 58
    +3
    Our (Russian citizens) problem is that the attitude of the majority of the ruling elite (not the elite, but precisely the elite) towards the goal of the SVO is clearly conciliatory. Those. if the crests promise to leave the DPR, LPR and Crimea alone and something else like demilitarization, the Russian authorities will immediately conclude a peace treaty. And I am more than sure that our authorities were not going to take Kyiv, were not going to change the government and, as a result, the crests' attitude towards Russia. I am sure that the loss of victory began from the moment the troops were withdrawn from Kyiv (no matter who and what explained it. The conclusion is simple - starting the NMD, no one knew the specific purpose of this operation. And "denazification" and "demilitarization" are not carried out in such ways. And now I understand and (mostly) approve of Stalin's actions in relation to a certain category of citizens of the USSR .......
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 11: 42
    -4
    What a disgusting article. Like the Russian Federation has no goal. No goal = defeat.

    The USSR against Nazi Germany, but in fact, again, about the same "consolidated West"

    A little different. Germany then was the anti-West, the Germans themselves considered themselves the "East" fighting the decaying, divided, incapable of anything, soulless "West" for traditional German values. So the USSR, in alliance with the "West", fought against the "anti-West".

    Even now, as they say, we are told “from every iron” that this war is also Patriotic and also for destruction, for the destruction of all of us as a state, as a people, as a culture.

    This is nonsense.

    the destruction of the United States of America as a state in its present form and condition. And there is no other way to win, and therefore, we will not be able to survive in this world.

    RF is unable to do this. More precisely, it can deliver a nuclear strike and destroy the United States, but the price will be a retaliatory strike on the Russian Federation and its destruction. Economically, the USSR was unable to compete with the "West", to say nothing of the Russian Federation. At the level of ideas, ideologies, things are still worse, Russia by and large is a bad copy of the "West" in this respect.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 24 May 2022 13: 30
      +2
      fool wassat negative this is porridge!!!
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 12: 17
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    I do not like that, as a result of your bloody fantasies, he will fly to my country and my city.

    What am I doing here? Those who decide to attack Russia will be to blame.
    I did not propose to preventively destroy NATO, although this organization is dangerous. I propose to destroy NATO in the event of their attack on Russia.
    You stubbornly try to shift all the responsibility to Russia. And completely remove the responsibility of NATO for their actions. This is very familiar and understandable to me. I now know which side you are on and that you cannot be convinced by logic and common sense.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 14: 39
      0
      You propose, as far as I understand, if a NATO soldier finds himself on the territory of Ukraine (even at the invitation of a legitimate government) to commit a collective seppuku, taking the whole world with him. One problem, suicides don't go to heaven.
      Yes, I am on the side of common sense.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 18: 28
        -2
        Everything is very simple here. There is no legitimate government of the former Ukraine. There is a big Russia. Those who do not agree with this can send troops. At the same time, clearly understanding what the risks are for NATO countries or Japan.
        And there is no need to again shift the responsibility to Russia. The decision is made by two players.
        If the United States believes that the former Ukraine is worth the apocalypse, then it is a pity.
        If NATO member Spain believes that their ethical principles are worth a nuclear war, then it is a pity,
        Russia will no longer make stupid mistakes and exchange thousands of Russian soldiers for thousands of Romanians and Poles. 200 - 300 Mt UK, 300 - 400 Mt Japan, 2000 - 3000 Mt USA and Canada.

        Let the US decide. Is it worth it to bring the NATO army into the territory of Russia or still leave us alone.
        So it is you who write to your NATO friends that suicides do not go to heaven.
        You are on the side of the Westerners and their common sense. When as a result they feel good and comfortable.
        You do not care about Russia and the Russians. But I do not.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 20: 24
          -5
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Everything is very simple here. There is no legitimate government of the former Ukraine. There is a big Russia.

          How is there no government, if there is.
          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5236450?

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          At the same time, clearly understanding what the risks are for NATO countries or Japan.

          Of course, I don’t really understand your boil, NATO is not going to fight for Ukraine, Japan is not going to fight for the Kuriles.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          If the United States believes that the former Ukraine is worth the apocalypse, then it is a pity.
          If NATO member Spain believes that their ethical principles are worth a nuclear war, then it is a pity,

          The US has made it clear that it does not think so. I'm sure Spain too.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Russia will no longer make stupid mistakes and exchange thousands of Russian soldiers for thousands of Romanians and Poles. 200 - 300 Mt UK, 300 - 400 Mt Japan, 2000 - 3000 Mt USA and Canada.

          You forgot to continue 50 Mt Moscow, 10 Mt Peter, 5 Mt Yekaterinburg and Novosibirsk, 3 Mt Kazan Samara and Ufa. Etc.
          That is, Russia will not waste time on trifles with thousands of Russian soldiers, but will immediately kill all the citizens of Russia? Do you think this is logical?

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Let the US decide. Is it worth it to bring the NATO army into the territory of Russia or still leave us alone.

          As long as they are not going to. Are you seeing any signs?

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          So it is you who write to your NATO friends that suicides do not go to heaven.

          Apparently they understand this very well.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          You are on the side of the Westerners and their common sense.

          Common sense alone, there is no Western or non-Western.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          You do not care about Russia and the Russians. But I do not.

          It's obvious that you don't care. How else to explain that you want to send us all to the next world.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 12: 31
    -2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    And most likely it will turn into a universal karachun for humanity in general, regardless of Russian, American, Indian or Australian.

    Well, yes, as soon as you tell a NATO supporter that we will smash you all the same, oohs and sighs immediately begin. Never, mind you - never and no one will ask, but how can this be avoided?
    The reason is simple. We are offered to obey and fulfill all the demands of our enemies. Or we will be destroyed.
    But it is categorically impossible for us to defend ourselves with the means available to us. Because the whole world will suffer.

    The idea of ​​equality cannot occur to anyone in NATO.
    "What nonsense! For the Russians to work out the rules together with white people? For them to decide for themselves what rules they should live by, for them to determine their own borders? This will never happen! White people have such rights, but what does the Russian have to do with it?"

    For such logic and can destroy all NATO countries.
    And as soon as the "boundaries" are crossed - so necessary to destroy.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Well, yes, as soon as you tell a NATO supporter that we will smash you all the same, oohs and sighs immediately begin. Never, mind you - never and no one will ask, but how can this be avoided?

      Again, I'm a common sense guy. I don't understand what makes you difficult to understand. If we "destroy" NATO, then in return they will destroy us. Regardless of who is right and who is wrong. Or you will dispute it.

      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      The reason is simple. We are offered to obey and fulfill all the demands of our enemies. Or we will be destroyed.
      But it is categorically impossible for us to defend ourselves with the means available to us. Because the whole world will suffer.

      Your available means is to destroy the entire world, including yourself. And in general, what kind of defeatist mood? NATO near Moscow is worth listening to you like that. The question of the existence of Russia is not raised, especially since it was not raised three months ago.

      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      The idea of ​​equality cannot occur to anyone in NATO.
      "What nonsense! For the Russians to work out the rules together with white people? For them to decide for themselves what rules they should live by, for them to determine their own borders? This will never happen! White people have such rights, but what does the Russian have to do with it?"

      What is equality? Decide the fate of third countries without their participation? Let's start with ourselves. For example, we will talk on equal terms with Ukraine.

      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      And as soon as the "borders" are crossed, they must be destroyed.

      Ok, just don't forget to add, destroy at the cost of your existence.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 12: 57
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Our population is 2 times smaller, and productivity is at the level of China. In order to catch up and overtake, either the population must be increased several times, or productivity must be 2 times higher than that of the Americans. In the nearest historical perspective, this is not visible.

    What limited thinking!
    What you want can be achieved by other means.
    For example, to reduce the population of the United States by four times or (or better) to reduce the productivity of Americans by half.
    And ideally, you need to ensure that most of the profits go from the United States to Russia.

    PS: Do not accuse me of cynicism. I simply applied the enemy's logic, strategy and tactics to themselves. They probably won't like it. So we do not like it when such logic is applied to us.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 15: 22
      0
      I knew that you would offer a philanthropic, adequate and easily implemented plan. In short, you want the Russian Federation to become the new USA.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 18: 46
        -1
        No. I want the US, NATO to recognize that Russia has the right to its own interests.
        But the stronger economically, financially, organizationally, the West wanted to spit on the interests of my country. Moreover, since the 2000s, he has taken a clear course towards the destruction of Russia. And not only the state, but also its inhabitants.
        There are only two ways out - either the refusal of the West from these plans (under pain of death) or a nuclear war.
        You have a third option in your head - the surrender of Russia. A world for which the Russians must pay with the abandonment of independence and hope for the future.
        I am against your choice. Ideally, the West should include common sense. Well, no - then a nuclear war.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 21: 24
          -3
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          No. I want the US, NATO to recognize that Russia has the right to its own interests.

          Well, yes, yes ... At the expense of the interests of other countries.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          But the stronger economically, financially, organizationally, the West wanted to spit on the interests of my country.

          How did this manifest itself before the age of 14?

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Moreover, since the 2000s, he has taken a clear course towards the destruction of Russia. And not only the state, but also its inhabitants.

          This is some conspiracy nonsense.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          There are only two ways out - either the refusal of the West from these plans (under pain of death) or a nuclear war.

          Such plans are only in the minds of your kind. I'm afraid that our president is one of yours. It scares.

          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          You have a third option in your head - the surrender of Russia. A world for which the Russians must pay with the abandonment of independence and hope for the future.
          I am against your choice. Ideally, the West should include common sense. Well, no - then a nuclear war.

          No one demanded the surrender of Russia.
          He knows that Russia has a long history, and in this history it lost more than once, but it always overcame the consequences of a loss, revived and went to new victories. Or lose. You offer in case of loss to stop the history of Russia by destroying it, all the people that make it up. Today's problems in Russia are not worth even a fraction of the problems of the USSR during the Nazi invasion of 1941. The collapse of Russian statehood in 1917 is a hundred times worse than the current situation in Russia. But you breed panic that everything is gone.
          In my opinion, the current situation in Russia can be compared with the end of 1853. This can not be called a threat to the existence of Russia. And the consequences will be the same.

          In my opinion, we are living in the last convulsions of the Russian Empire. All empires are mortal. Ours is still a long-liver, much outlived her peers. We believe that we should be treated like an empire. But the empire died 30 years ago. And everyone around noticed it. But not the Russians, we still have the phantom pains of an amputated empire. And this makes the already dead empire perform the dance of St. Vitus.
          But the Russian nation has not gone away and will exist as long as nations exist. Russian statehood exists and will continue to exist until these same statehoods all over the world fall away. Unless, of course, we arrange a nuclear karachun and destroy the Russian nation and Russian statehood.
          1. guest Offline guest
            guest 24 May 2022 21: 45
            +1
            Russia can only exist as an empire, respectively, if Russia is not an empire, then it will cease to exist. If this does not reach you, then medicine is powerless.
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 May 2022 22: 19
              -3
              Russia has not been an empire for 30 years.
              1. guest Offline guest
                guest 26 November 2022 23: 45
                0
                This is where all the problems of the last 30 years come from.
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 May 2022 13: 45
    0
    And the NATO bloc itself, in essence, is nothing more than a watchdog of a real superpower - the United States.

    an ultrasonic repeller is used against vicious dogs. The more angry the dog is, the more frightening it then becomes and he runs away with fear. We need to come up with such a repeller for NATO.
  • Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 24 May 2022 18: 16
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    It smacks of some kind of fascism.

    Or at least half-mad chauvinism...
  • svetlanavradiy Offline svetlanavradiy
    svetlanavradiy (Svetlana Vradiy) 24 May 2022 18: 47
    0
    And the Russian leadership is here, I must say, to its own citizens, and, I am sure, a huge mass of sympathizers around the world, as, in fact, to our enemies, the concept and meaning of this very future victory, which we all look forward to, to explain either can't or won't...

    Excuse me, are you talking about Ukraine? But after all, if we had not started the WZO, American military bases would have been located in Ukraine at our very borders. What is incomprehensible here? Russia was forced to prevent this.
  • guest Offline guest
    guest 24 May 2022 21: 17
    -2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    How is there no government, if there is.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5236450?

    This frightened patriot does not carry such a blizzard.
  • guest Offline guest
    guest 24 May 2022 21: 19
    -2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    NATO near Moscow is worth listening to you like that.

    Not yet near Moscow, but already near St. Petersburg.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 26 May 2022 22: 53
      -3
      I live in St. Petersburg, I don’t watch something. Ahhh .. the Estonian army with an incredible number of 6,4 thousand people is a terrible force, where it is not possible to compete with the Russian army. I probably know the military more than their army.
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 27 May 2022 00: 56
        -1
        What kind of army is in Estonia, I'm not talking about the Estonians, although they now have a huge NATO contingent in the country, I'm actually talking about Finland, where NATO troops will now also be.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 27 May 2022 13: 26
          -2
          Quote: guest
          What kind of army is in Estonia, I'm not talking about Estonians, although they now have a huge NATO contingent in the country

          Dadada, a huge, simply incredibly gigantic contingent of 900 people, this fundamentally changes things.

          Quote: guest
          I'm actually talking about Finland, where now there will also be NATO troops.

          Do you feel how the security of the Russian Federation is growing through the efforts of Vladimir Vladimirovich?
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 27 May 2022 13: 36
            0
            Oleg Rambover, do not be foolish. Your accusations of Vladimir Putin in the aggressive expansion of NATO look like this. laughing
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 24 May 2022 22: 29
    0
    To decide "what should our victory be?" Russia needs to sober up first. Like a drunkard - from self-pity, self-hypnosis and self-consolation.
    She needs to see the full extent of her mistakes, and the full shame of retreating from her position in the world, for more than 30 years. From the very moment that we ourselves consider relatively prosperous in our history.
    We need to remember everything that we had then, made us strong and self-confident, and what we lost.
    Want to get it all back. And this will be the first step to victory.
    We need to be completely honest with ourselves in order to see again the purpose and "abyss" of our fall, and not a mirage. As it is. Further - painfully rise from the mud and humiliation.
    To do this number and cleanse Russia needs people's power, it takes time.
    But for this, it will be necessary already now by the threat of our nuclear weapons to force the main enemy to leave our path.
    And it will still not be a Victory, but only liberation from the obstacles and blockages of the long road to it.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 27 May 2022 23: 32
      0

      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      We need to be completely honest with ourselves in order to see again the purpose and "abyss" of our fall, and not a mirage. As it is.

      laughing
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 May 2022 02: 16
        0
        Just because you don't see what you're being told doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You may be blind to this, or you may not want to see it.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 29 May 2022 09: 23
          0
          Alexeydon't make excuses. laughing
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  • Praskovya Offline Praskovya
    Praskovya (Praskovya) 25 May 2022 03: 50
    +2
    Yes, turn off the gas and everything else in Europe and that's it. Their economy will collapse, we are familiar, we will hold out for a couple of months, but their people will break their power. Europe will forget about the United States, and lift the sanctions, and bring Ukraine on a silver platter.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 25 May 2022 06: 30
    0
    Crushing and furious. Such that the West on the move ... from fear and nervously looking around.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 May 2022 07: 26
    -1
    The tactics of the West are clear. Economic war and military threat from the NATO bloc.

    We cannot win the economic war. Simply because of the size of our economy.
    But we don't have to win. You can have a sustainable economy that creates enough resources for a comfortable life and development.

    But something needs to be done about the NATO bloc and Japan.
    We are being pushed into an arms race. Just in order to prevent the preservation of a sufficiently strong and stable economy. If we follow the path of increasing the army and simple, non-nuclear weapons, then we will lose this race. And we will be destroyed by military means. Totally.

    The answer may be simple and relatively cheap.
    One hundred thousand nuclear warheads. One hundred thousand of the most modern rocket launchers.
    This is quite realistic - both technically and economically.

    Next is the political part.
    It is clearly and precisely stipulated when Russia will use its nuclear weapons.
    When and by whom.
    When the army of any unfriendly country invades the territory of Greater Russia, the twenty largest urban agglomerations of each of the NATO countries, as well as Japan, will be destroyed.
    Regardless of their action or inaction.
    The same is true if some unfriendly country starts any military operations on the territory of Greater Russia.

    The enemy must clearly understand that the only way to destroy Russia is in a nuclear war.
    At the risk of unacceptable losses.
    The enemy must clearly understand that he will have to take into account the interests of Russia.
    Failure to take into account the interests of Russia is a guaranteed destruction of NATO and Japan.
    We now have no other means to save the country and people, except for nuclear weapons and the determination to use them in the event of aggression by NATO and Japan.

    If NATO and Japan do not want a nuclear war, then they should sit down at the negotiating table and negotiate their concessions with Russia. In the meantime, they are confident in their economic and military superiority. And they don't even want to hear about any Russian interests.

    They will probably have to clear their ears with the roar of nuclear explosions over Brussels and Washington.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 May 2022 07: 38
    -1
    Greater Russia is the current Russian Federation + former Ukraine + Belarus + Kazakhstan + Transnistria + South Ossetia.
    Unfortunately, there is no more to be said. We must be realistic and not demand too much. In order not to drive NATO into a corner. And it is not necessary or too late to claim something more.
    With this territory and society to deal with.

    That is, an agreement based on the fear of mutual destruction must be concluded.
    Well, NATO countries should clearly understand what they are risking. It may seem to some that the risk is excessive.
    And the US will have to be careful not to let any Poland try to bite the Russian elephant.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 May 2022 10: 27
    +1
    After winning the civil war on the territory of the former Ukraine, several million people will find themselves in enemy territory. Many of them wanted to join the EU, dreamed of NATO - and they will fulfill their desires.
    Only a few percent will do well. And we know who it will be.
    The rest will face a sad fate similar to those who fled Russia after the revolution and civil war of the early 20th century. Having sniffed and swallowed the real EU, many of the refugees will want to go back.
    Should they be supported? Or prevent a return?
    If the Russian "stars" who supported NATO should unequivocally be deprived of Russian citizenship and confiscate their property, then what should be done with ordinary people fooled by enemy propaganda?
    Personally, I think that they should be defeated in voting rights for ten years. This is not a critical issue for survival, but some sign that nothing is given for nothing. Nothing is forgotten and no one is forgotten.

    Well, I'm waiting for the purges. Not in the sense that executions and the Gulag.
    Just some restrictions. Like the same electoral rights, the right to live in certain areas, pensions, benefits provided by Russian law.
    Enemies of Russia, opponents of friendship between Russians and Ukrainians must leave Russia.
    And those who marked themselves with active actions should move to Yakutia in order to build bridges, roads, tunnels there, to develop deposits.

    After the victory in Civil War - 2, which is the initial stage of the 3rd World War, we will not be able to live as before. It's time to rebuild your mind. We will have to do a lot to survive and save our country.
  • k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 25 May 2022 11: 09
    +1
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    I drew a plan, it remains, all of you, to walk along the path I have indicated

    One smart person said:

    If someone on the street said that he will lead everyone to a brighter future, just follow him - go to the other side and call the policeman.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 May 2022 11: 37
      -1
      I hoped that this ironic phrase would soften the impression of my comments somewhat.
      We all have miserable crumbs of information, among which it is also unknown whether this is information or a fake. Therefore, I prefer to treat all comments with a slight smile. Including their own.
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 25 May 2022 12: 57
        +1
        The comment is accepted and understood. It's just very difficult in today's times to distinguish irony from narcissism. It's nice that you don't belong to the latter.
  • vo2022smysl Offline vo2022smysl
    vo2022smysl (Common sense) 25 May 2022 15: 16
    0
    And all this snot "let's build, let's take care of ourselves ..." this is actually pure enemy propaganda, the standard of living in the Russian Federation is now really high by global standards. It is clear that you always want better, but do you think the Germans or the Americans do not want to? The difference is that in the Russian Federation it has been constantly growing for the last at least 10 years, while in the USA and Germany, for example, it has been falling for the same time ...

    stop It's amazing, but some phenomenon is described here! Its clue is apparently that not everyone here knows about the constant growth of their incomes "for the last at least 10 years" and the standard of living that the Germans and Americans envy ... winked
  • vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 25 May 2022 21: 54
    +2
    The State Duma of Russia should adopt the Law on Ukraine.
    It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
    Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia.
    The presence of the Law will give certainty about the future to citizens living on the territory of Ukraine, they will not have to be afraid of the fascist regime. All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    The unilateral appeal adopted on December 5, 1991 by the Supreme Council of Ukraine “To the Parliaments and Peoples of the World”, by which it announced that “Ukraine considers the 1922 Treaty on the Establishment of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with respect to itself null and void” is void, since in 1936 a new The Constitution of the USSR, with the entry into force of which the Constitution of the USSR of 1924 ceased to operate, including the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922. The Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922 did not exist as an independent legal document.
    The withdrawal of the Republic of Ukraine from the USSR was possible only with a positive decision received at the USSR Referendum and the implementation of the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 No. 1410-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”.
    The USSR Constitution of 1977 was adopted by all the peoples of the USSR, and only the entire people of the USSR could give permission for Ukraine to leave the USSR.
    The exit of Ukraine without a nationwide referendum in the USSR and the failure to comply with the law of April 3, 1990 No. 1410-I is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations.
    The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine.
    The USSR - the successor - the right successor of the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation-Russia the successor - the right successor of the USSR. All of them are the same subject of history and international law (RF), which has a new name and a different socio-political system. The Russian Federation-Russia and the USSR paid off all debts, including those of the Russian Empire, for which there are court decisions or other supporting documents. For example, between 1997 and to 2000 From the budget of the Russian Federation, payments were made in the total amount of 400 million US dollars in favor of the Government of the French Republic for the debts of the Government of the Russian Empire. In August 2006, the Russian Federation fully repaid the lend-lease debt to the United States. There are no outstanding debts, we do not consider modern loans. This is a fact that the Russian Federation has unilaterally assumed obligations to be the successor - successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR.
    Russia did not transfer, sell or donate to the former Soviet republic of the USSR Ukraine its territories, as well as its foreign assets.
    It is urgently necessary for the Russian Federation-Russia, as the successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and as the owner of the territory of the former USSR republic of Ukraine, to secure Russia's ownership of this territory by legislative means, unilaterally.
    For example, in 2005, China passed the "Law on Anti-Secession of the State." According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
    The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows Russia's enemies to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia and allows NATO countries to annex this no man's territory.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 26 May 2022 10: 17
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    Do you know what will happen after our victory on the territory of the former Ukraine?
    Literally, hundreds of thousands of fighters against the Kyiv regime will appear immediately. In the social networks and in the media, the faces and pearls of the winners - local residents will appear.

    In a few years, legends will be created about partisan detachments, about urban resistance, and about proud, courageous fighters. They will receive orders, erect monuments, name streets and dead ends after Ukrainian heroes, whom we now do not suspect. The participation in the war of the Russian army, the armies of the DPR and LPR will be mentioned rarely and briefly.

    In a few more years, there will be critics, "scientists-historians", experts and eyewitnesses, who will increasingly at first hint, and then directly say that the Russian army did not know how to fight, too many losses among the local population and, in general, more interfered with local heroes than helped. Allegedly, the change of the Kyiv regime could be achieved by peaceful means. And the Russian barbarians climbed like an elephant into a china shop.