Lessons from the Mariupol operation


Yesterday, the remnants of the Azov regiment (banned in the Russian Federation), having broken through the echeloned cordon, fought (through the minefield themselves) left the catacombs of Azovstal and took up all-round defense in the Rostov pre-trial detention center. Thus ended the inglorious epic of the defense of the Azov Brest fortress, which lasted more than two months. It's time to draw some conclusions.


Cinema. War and the Germans ... More precisely, the Ukrainians


For starters, a little humor, (albeit someone else's). The author, unfortunately, is not me, but Vitalik Fry. He sculpted his sketch from the future on May 17 and embossed it on the Internet (I think it has already collected a million views and thousands of likes there since then). He was wrong only in the details. He has the right, he is the author, he sees it this way (I will reveal my vision below, for all the phantasmagoria drawn by Vitalik, he caught the essence correctly). So, I give the floor to the author:

Azovstal, summer.

There is a fight. Russian soldiers are trying to storm another production complex. At the last moment before the Russians burst into the building, a chubby head with a tattooed swastika on its forehead sticks out of it and yells:

- Stop the attack! We have Mykola wounded! Urgent evacuation required!

The attack immediately stops, the shooting stops, the fighters lie down where they were caught by the cry of a partner. At full steam, a "motorbike" with flashing lights flies into the battlefield, from where 8 doctors in snow-white coats with a stretcher jump out. The limping Mykola is led out of the gap towards them. The doctors immediately put him on a stretcher, put him on a drip, and carry 54 foreign correspondents under the cameras to the MTLB. Meanwhile, the forelock leans out of the window again:

We demand a continuation of the truce! Our brother has a toothache! We need dental services!

A second "motorbike" with flashing lights hurriedly flies into the area in front of the building, an autonomous dental chair is rolled out from there, and the doctor and assistants roll it inside.

An hour later, when the doctor (without assistants) leaves the dilapidated building, the Ural slowly drives into the site with a camp kitchen attached to it. The fat-faced cook knocks the ladle on the pan and yells:

- Dinner! Dinner! All for dinner!

From the building, not paying any attention to the Russian fighters, to the camp kitchen, a crowd of chubby well-fed lads in clean embroidered shirts with spoons and bowls in their hands come out. They get in line. An angry voice is heard:

- And the gorilka? Gorilka where? Yesterday was a gorilka!

Cook:

- Yesterday was a holiday! Day of drunken forces of Ukraine! And today is a normal day. Compote only. But who are the supplements? Come on, don't be shy!

Meanwhile, Russian soldiers - dirty, sweaty, skinny, spitting angrily, collect weapons and dejectedly wander to their starting position (an agreement was signed in Istanbul a week ago that after dinner and before breakfast, hostilities are prohibited) ...

Agree that Vitalik made a mistake in real trifles. All this war, which unfolded around the unprecedented defense of the Azov Brest fortress, was more like a cheap movie. Not even a movie, but a soap opera, a sitcom, when the script is written in the course of the play, and the actors themselves do not know what they will play tomorrow.

When these “heroes” crawled out of their catacombs to the surface, it turned out that there were even more of them than the besiegers, they were all moderately well-fed, at least I didn’t see those staggering from hunger, and what struck me most of all - didn’t leave me the feeling that all these cyborgs are mummers. At the same time, all of them turned out to be cooks, chauffeurs and passers-by who accidentally got lost in the Azov catacombs, innocent sheep, who were lured by vile Nazis to Azov (an organization banned in the Russian Federation), and kept there since 2015. One held to the question: “Why didn’t you run away?” So directly answered, sadly shaking his gray head: “So who will give it ?!”. Another “heroine” with the look of a hardened sniper and a callus under her eye from an optical sight stated that she worked there as the head of repair shops (and, looking at her hands, stained with fuel oil, somehow immediately believed in it, I think she doesn’t know exactly where the motorbike hides a motor), however, there was no staff in her workshop, and what she was doing there then, she could not say, explaining that she went to Azov for her husband so as not to break the family (such a family contract for blood). There were other ladies there, even of a very pleasant appearance, all of them, in their words, deeply pregnant, apparently, flew in deliberately in order to spend the next 2-3 years in prison in family-type mother and child homes behind barbed wire (for the benefit of potential fathers there there was more than enough to choose from).

But all the same, looking at all this audience, I could not get rid of the thought that all this riff-raff is somewhat small for such a brand as Azov. Where are the ideological Nazis with swastikas all over their backs? Where is all this elite of the Nazi ukroreykha? Even their commanders with rattles "Volyn", "Kalina" and "Radish" obviously did not pull on this honorary title - so, a mediocre riffraff, six, like, Blotters from the legendary "Meeting Place ...". All this time I was tormented by only one thought: “Where is their Humpbacked Man?!”. All this three-day surrender, which in international terminology is called "evacuation", was more reminiscent of the last scene from the same film "The meeting place cannot be changed", when Gleb Zheglov and his comrades from the Department for Combating Banditry of the MUR covered the thieves' raspberries, taking them hot, and I kept waiting for Zheglov's final phrase: "And now Hunchbacked!". But instead of him, under the mournful "On the shameful bench, on the dock ..." another Blotter crawled out of the dungeon.

If this all ends, then the sketch from the future of Vitalik Fry may come true, and in 2025 we will still be catching “non-evil cyborgs” from the Azov cache, who all this time will derail trains and sink ships entering the Mariupol port, not suspecting that the war had already ended for three years, and Elon Musk's Martians had won it.

And now Humpbacked!


Well, these were still jokes, but now let's talk seriously about past events and draw up a plan for the near future. All this gopota, who surrendered, clearly does not draw on the international brand of ideological fascism, which Azov has recently become.

"Volyn", Sergey Volynsky, major of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, since April 13, acting. commander of the 36th Marine Brigade (after the commander of the Hero of Ukraine, Colonel Baranyuk and the Chief of Staff, Colonel Kormyankov, surrendered to the NM of the DPR), he has nothing to do with Azov at all. I did not manage to escape in time with my commanders, as a result, I spent a month longer in the catacombs. "Volyn" professional military man, born in 1992 (30 years old), in 2014, as part of the 36th Marine Corps, with the permission of the Russian troops, left the Crimea (without weapons), refusing to change the Oath, (then out of 600 Marines stationed on the peninsula, only 200 people went to the mainland and Lieutenant Volynsky among them). In 2015 he received a starley, in 2017 a captain, in 2021 he was already a major (life is good!). Awarded the Order "For Courage" 3rd class (2015) and the medal "For Military Service to Ukraine" (2020). He received the Order of Bohdan Khmelnitsky 3rd degree already during his heroic sitting at Azovstal on May 3, 2022.

His accomplices "Radis" and "Kalina" are not even military personnel at all. Radish, aka Denis Prokopenko, born in 1991 (31 years old), lieutenant colonel of the National Guard, graduated from the Faculty of German Philology of the Kyiv National Linguistic University with a degree in English language teacher. He began his military career with the football ultras of Dynamo Kyiv in 2014 (like, in fact, his boss Biletsky, he began his ascent with the ultras of Metalist Kharkiv). Since 2014, he has been fighting with Russia as part of Azov, in 2017 he became its commander. On the Independence Day of Ukraine on August 24, 2019, on Khreshchatyk, Captain Denys Prokopenko received the Order of Bohdan Khmelnitsky, 3rd degree, from the hands of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky. As you can see, life was also successful, in 2019 still a captain, and just three years later already a lieutenant colonel, on March 19, 2022, together with the commander of the 36th infantry regiment Baranyuk, he received the Hero of Ukraine (the medal "For military service to Ukraine" was received back in 2015). Zelensky awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine to Baranyuk and Prokopenko in the hope that both of them would die heroically there in Mariupol, but they both preferred to surrender heroically (although I don’t know what Radish is counting on, they are unlikely to take him into account in the Rostov pre-trial detention center merit to the ukroreich). Hitler at one time also awarded the rank of field marshal to Paulus, in the hope that he would shoot himself (German field marshals had not surrendered until then, Paulus broke this tradition). History repeats itself twice, both times in the form of a tragedy.

The oldest in age among the top of the "Azov" was the deputy of the "Radish" Svyatoslav Palamar (according to the passport Ponomar), born in 1982. (39 years old), call sign "Kalina", captain of NGU. He has been fighting since 2014, and the only captain (life has not been a success!), Apparently, he graduated from the wrong institute (Lviv Trade andeconomic), or in the ultras of the Lviv "Karpaty" did not light up. But lit up on the Internet. The Instagram star (recognized as extremist in the Russian Federation), the media face of Azov, whined to the whole world to be released, got to the Pope. Of the awards, only the Order of Daniil Galitsky (2022) and the medal "For Military Service to Ukraine" (2019).

No one else from the Azov generals was found at Azovstal. Neither its founder, Biletsky, nor his deputy “Botsman” (Sergey Korotkikh, a Russian-Belarusian neo-Nazi who received Ukrainian citizenship in 2014), who prefer to lead the process from afar, much less the foreign generals that the Russian media have been writing about all this time.

A Brief History of Azov


The creation of Azov began on April 13, 2014, according to the decision of the Interior Minister Arsen Avakov at the time. The gang was created on the basis of the Kharkov neo-Nazi paramilitary organization "Patriot of Ukraine" (banned in the Russian Federation), which flourished for several years under the wing of the same Avakov, at that time the chairman of the Kharkov Regional State Administration.

Initially, "Azov" was a volunteer battalion as part of the special police patrol service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, then it became a regiment of the National Guard. In the structure of the NGU, "Azov" got the opportunity to be equipped even with artillery and tanks, which was not the case in other parts of the National Guard. The Azov militants have always been the “white bone” of the Ukrainian Reich, they stood apart, receiving the latest weapons and funding from the budget and local oligarchs (Kolomoisky and Akhmetov). Only idiots consider the Azov people to be Avakov’s sixes, in fact Avakov himself “sixed” to the West, which means that Azov, as his shock detachment, also “sixed” to him, for the money of the West, escorting and planting him in Ukraine policies.

The leader of the organization was the neo-Nazi Andrei Biletsky, nicknamed the "White Leader", who later became the commander of the Azov regiment. The newly-minted leader of "Azov" then just got out of prison, where he thundered together with his comrades after a knife fight arranged by them for ideological reasons. The same Avakov contributed to his release at the end of February 2014 from the Kharkiv pre-trial detention center.

"White Leader" was born on August 5, 1979 in Kharkov. In 2001 he graduated from the history department of Kharkiv University, having defended a diploma on the activities of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation). He worked as a teacher at universities, participated in the campaign "Ukraine without Kuchma". Soon he headed the Kharkov branch of the organization "Trident named after Stepan Bandera" (recognized as terrorist, banned in the Russian Federation). In 2005, Biletsky created the Patriot of Ukraine organization and became its permanent leader. Since 2008, he has also become the head of the Social-National Assembly (a neo-Nazi, racist organization banned in the Russian Federation). In 2016, he also heads the National Corps, which later became a party (also banned in the Russian Federation).

After the start of the Russian special operation in Ukraine, Biletsky almost completely disappeared from the information space, although he is actively promoted in the networks. Where he is located is not known, but definitely not at Azovstal. He entrusted the leadership of the "resistance" to the simpler Nazis - "Radish" and the company. Rumors that foreign curators were still there are still just rumors.

Where are the others?


So far, only one thing can be said for sure - at the moment, ukrovermacht soldiers surrendered to the Russian troops from Azovstal 2439 people. This is the largest surrender since the beginning of the NWO. And among them there is neither the commander of the 12th operational brigade of the NSU Colonel Denis Shlega, nor the commander of the 23rd detachment of the naval guard of the caper Nikolai Levitsky, nor the commander of the 109th separate territorial defense brigade Colonel Andrey Galdak, not to mention the foreign military declared previously, US Army Lieutenant General Roger Cloutier Jr. and retired Canadian General Trevor Kadier, who, due to allegations of sexual harassment and harassment, was unable to lead the Canadian Ground Forces in 2021 and was forced to retire from service (moreover, he filed on April 5, and Mariupol has been under siege since March 2, no one can explain how he could get there at the same time).

One thing is clear, there were foreign mercenaries at Azovstal, foreign generals - this is already a fake, what should they do there? Lead the defense? Like, the Ukrainians themselves can not cope? They do a great job - 85% of the city lies in ruins! All the fuss and gimmick arranged by Kyiv around Azov was caused solely by the promotion of this brand. Azov is more than a special purpose regiment, it is a symbol, a brand under which all the garbage from all over the world flocked. Bastards, sadists, neo-Nazis, fascists and racists from all over the world sought to get there, some to make money easily, some to satisfy their basest needs, some to shoot like on a safari. Even Kyiv is afraid to leave all this rabble alive, a good Indian is a dead Indian! The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave. Better for that world. The Rostov pre-trial detention center, in principle, will also suit.

Although there are no guarantees that there, in the Azov catacombs, there are no more irreconcilable people, who have all their arms and legs covered with swastikas, and for whom nothing good will shine in the Rostov pre-trial detention center, I cannot. What is it to them - Khan, what is so - Khan, it’s better then to try to sell your filthy life at a higher price. These can derail trains for a long time. They can, of course, they can, but only, who will give them?!

Summary


As a brief summary, I can only state an indisputable fact - the Mariupol operation was brilliantly completed. This is a strong blow to the image of the ukroreich, after which he may not recover. The very fact of surrender is important here. If the elite troops of the Reich are already surrendering, which definitely do not expect anything good in captivity, then what to expect from ordinary reservists who were taken to war without their special will? They certainly don’t want to die for the Reich, which means that further resistance will definitely go downward, these “heroes” will surrender at the first serious combat contact, no matter how much the ukroreich recruits them. Mariupol's "unscrupulous garrison" set a good example for them.

This is also understood in the West. There are already some voices in the iconic media (The New York Times and Politico) that America has already achieved its goals in Ukraine, it would be necessary to tighten the faucet of confrontation and turn it on, you should not drive Putin into a corner so as not to run into such an answer, from which it will become bad for everyone. The goals of the operation in Ukraine for our sworn overseas “friends” are not the prosperity of the rogue Ukraine, and not even the collapse of the Russian Federation and the removal of Putin from the levers of power (due to the understanding of the doom of these ideas), but the prosperity of America itself and its military-industrial complex. The last two targets have already been achieved. The prosperity of the United States will be ensured by eating the corpse of Europe, which has chosen this path for itself, embarking on a suicidal path of sanctions that no one will cancel for Russia. And the loading of the American military-industrial complex with military orders has already been legally sanctioned through Congress, and both of its chambers voted for it, writing off $ 40 billion for this matter and giving all the authority for this into the weakening hands of Grandpa Joe.

Life was successful and played for our overseas sworn "friends" with new colors. Now they have a new enemy - China and monkeypox. We will have to finish what we started in Ukraine, because there is no turning back. I think that the 2nd stage of the SVO will end with the localization and disposal of the Donbass grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, by closing the boilers and crushing them, followed by their destruction. Moreover, this will be done slowly, because time is already playing on us. The resources of the junta are not endless and it will only get worse, especially when the West is convinced that its food has gone “out of order”. After that, the 3rd stage will begin, which will be aimed at the southern face of the country of evergreen tomatoes, with the encirclement of Nikolaev and Odessa and the establishment of a land corridor with Transnistria. The task of the 3rd stage is to cut off the 404th from its Black Sea ports and take control of the entire northern Black Sea region, after which it will be possible to sit down and wait for the midterm elections to the US Congress, which are to be held there on November 8 this year. After the victory of the Republicans on them, which even their Democratic opponents do not doubt, the “partners” should be allowed to go. You look, they will let their saber-toothed mongrels, such as Poland and Romania, already sharpened their teeth on their former Ukrainian possessions. And then we, not even an hour, can thin out these teeth. But our armored train is still standing on a siding. Don't provoke us. Really, the example of Ukraine does not teach anything?

This concludes the brief review of the events that have taken place. All patience. Your Mr X.
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  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 May 2022 20: 08
    -7
    The lessons of the Mariupol operation are that storming large cities is very expensive, both in terms of losses and in terms of image. It is highly doubtful that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the leadership of the Russian Federation will want to repeat such a brilliant operation in a large city of Ukraine.

    Moreover, this will be done slowly, because time is already playing on us.

    Of course, I’m not a military man, but I don’t read the unknown Girkin, because he is very dissatisfied with the current situation, calling him a bloody push-pull. He says that a deep breakthrough is needed, a lightning-fast operation (like near Kyiv at the very beginning of the NMD), otherwise it would be a senseless "grinding" of infantry.
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 20: 39
      +3
      That is, I understand correctly that you stormed in the forefront and know the exact number of losses?
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 May 2022 21: 08
        -6
        Well, you, of course, I didn’t storm Mariupol, how should I say it, such an event for people of a certain warehouse, fortunately this is not my warehouse. I am not an expert, but I heard somewhere that such an assault (when strong resistance) cannot but be accompanied by significant losses, such as such an axiom of war.
        1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 21: 18
          +2
          Have you heard of the fake law? Therefore, if you do not know, then it is better to keep silent. Storms are different. If as in the First Chechen, then yes. The largest losses during the urban assault (although it did not exist as such) were suffered by the Russian Army in Kharkov. There was no such thing in Mariupol.
          Well, about the axioms. Who put after May 9 that the dungeon workers would not survive? I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST 2 MORE MONTHS. And it's like that. Son is war. It's not like solving algebra problems in school. There is also an important moral component.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 10: 47
            -2
            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            Have you heard of the fake law? Therefore, if you do not know, then it is better to keep silent.

            Do you think it has come to such insanity?

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            The largest losses during the urban assault (although it did not exist as such) were suffered by the Russian Army in Kharkov. There was no such thing in Mariupol.

            Street fighting is the most difficult type of combat. The most difficult = the biggest losses. Not?

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            Who put after May 9 that the dungeon workers would not survive? I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST 2 MORE MONTHS. And it's like that.

            You are a pessimist, I am an optimist and I thought the whole of Ukraine would not last a week, but it’s like that.

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            There is also an important moral component.

            It's true. Therefore, your beloved Strelkov is upset because of Mariupol.
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 25 May 2022 21: 30
              +1
              Street fighting is the most difficult type of combat. The most difficult = the biggest losses. Not?

              No, read the results of the assault on Königsberg in April 1945.
            2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 59
              +1
              Well, if you're talking, then apparently not.
            3. Smilodon terribilis nimis 26 May 2022 00: 00
              +1
              No. Because situations are different. The hardest fight is the fight in the mountains. The city can be taken, but the mountains?
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 27 May 2022 08: 56
                -2
                You can take everything, the question of price.
            4. Smilodon terribilis nimis 26 May 2022 00: 04
              +1
              Hochma about Ukraine is good, only the funny thing is that if they took it in a week, then Ukraine would be intact and have a great chance to live. Well, now with the destroyed infrastructure, with colossal human losses, with the awakened predators in the form of Poland and Hungary, what are her chances? You see, you wanted to joke, but got into a puddle.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 27 May 2022 09: 10
                -3
                Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
                Hochma about Ukraine is good, only the funny thing is that if they took it in a week, then Ukraine would be intact and have a great chance to live.

                Yes Yes. And if in 1812 they had agreed to demilitarization and stopped sabotaging the allied treaty with Napoleon against the Anglo-Saxons, then Moscow and Smolensk would not have burned down either.

                Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
                You see, you wanted to joke, but got into a puddle.

                Come on, I'm afraid we all of Russia sat in a puddle.
                1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 27 May 2022 17: 27
                  0
                  Duc Sasha defeated Napoleon. Why did you drag the Russian Empire, which already existed for at least 2 centuries with a loose formation called "Ukraine"? Uvas, Lviv’s common sense has completely disappeared?
                2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 27 May 2022 17: 28
                  0
                  No, it's you and your fosterlings.
                  By the way, you did not bring counterarguments about the fact that the quick completion of the special operation would have saved Ukraine. So I agree.
            5. Smilodon terribilis nimis 26 May 2022 00: 05
              +1
              Well, judging by the hosanna that you send him, it looks like he is your favorite in the literal and figurative sense of the word.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 27 May 2022 09: 29
                -2
                Well, what are you. This not a good person, the creator of the DPR (and without the DPR there would be no LPR), the trigger of the war will burn in Hell. A Black Hundred fanatic turned in the war (the very warehouse of a man of war), who dreams of reviving the Russian Empire, cannot evoke positive emotions in me. But in my opinion it is foolish to deny that a positional NWO will bring more victims than a rapid breakthrough.
                1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 27 May 2022 17: 31
                  0
                  He is also the king of Narnia and Dinotopia.
                  Without whom, the DPR would not have been like this without Zhoga, Givi, Zakharchenko, Motorola, the Sparta, Somali, and Vostok battalions.
                  By the way, your favorite Girkin threw Slavyansk in 2014, having escaped like a coward.
    2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 20: 40
      +7
      Just Mariupol showed that Russia can successfully take cities. If she needs it. Everything else is the howl of liberal losers.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 May 2022 21: 17
        -7
        Undoubtedly it can. But this has a price. I wrote about losses and image above. There is another example like this:
        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/05/2022/6285570b9a794798a9a47ee0?
        And I doubt that the Russian Federation will want to pay a similar price in the future.
        1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 21: 29
          +2
          Some crap you drove away. If there is a threat to the country's security, then images and prices are flying into the furnaces. Well, they appropriated the ZFR and beyond? And then only hemorrhoids for them. Image (their) is undermined, the cost of loss (them) is colossal. They will not want to pay such a price in the future.
          So don't hesitate. The current situation is zungzwang (for them).
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 11: 47
            -3
            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            If there is a threat to the security of the country, then the images and prices are flying into the furnaces.

            In principle, yes, but... As I said, I am an optimist and, despite recent events, I still have the hope that we are managed by adequate people and they correlate the degree of threat and the cost of eliminating it. Although it would seem...

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            Well, they appropriated the ZFR and beyond? And then only hemorrhoids for them. Image (their) is undermined, the cost of loss (them) is colossal. They will not want to pay such a price in the future.

            I am very glad that such caring people live among us, like you, who care about them. I'm not like that and I'm more worried about us, about myself, my loved ones, my acquaintances, my fellow citizens. And the scenario of the 2008 crisis seems to me too optimistic in the current conditions.

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            So don't hesitate. The current situation is zungzwang (for them).

            While I see zungzwang for the Russian authorities, a small victorious SVO did not work out, and the internal political situation, inflated by the way by the authorities themselves, does not allow it to be completed in its current situation.
            1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 41
              +1
              Well, what's stopping you from dumping on the blessed West? Oh, I forgot .. Russians are being lynched there now.
            2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 49
              +1
              Zungzwang for the West now, as Russia is the famous king of time. The longer the war lasts, the greater the chances for Russia. For Germany, France, Japan, even the Americas, a long war is death. So what did you do with your zungzwang. Zungzwang would be a peace treaty after leaving Kyiv. But the fool Zeleny did not finish with his meager mind, and the others either did not prompt, or did not want to. Well, in fact, they got Mariupol, Popasna, then the loss of the entire Lugansk region, the collapse in the Donbass and the fall of Nikolaev. And all we had to do was play a chess game against our liberal fools. Didn't finish... to our happiness.
              1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 51
                +1
                Given the size of Ukraine (let me remind you that it is the largest country located entirely in Europe), there could be no talk of any small victorious war. Well, if you do not take into account the myth that they were going to put manual oligarchs.
    3. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 20: 44
      +3
      Girkin is not the loser that Slavyansk threw in 2014?
      A breakthrough is not real in the Donbass, where there is solid urban development. At least you studied the cards before making nonsense. It's not like riding tanks across the steppe.
      The grinding of infantry from your ukrodruzhkov is taking place. After all, it is not Russia that is throwing the defense against the embrasure, but your beloved ukroreich.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 May 2022 21: 49
        -9
        I am a little interested in the history of the Second World War, and I remember that there was such a Donbass operation, it lasted a little more than a month and the Red Army advanced 300 km during this time. Just went through the same places. And operations such as Bagration or the Vistula-Oder took place in densely populated areas, but the progress was much higher. It seems to me difficult to challenge Girkin's words that a swift operation demoralizes the enemy, reduces one's own losses and increases the losses of the enemy.

        Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
        The grinding of infantry from your ukrodruzhkov is taking place. After all, it is not Russia that is throwing the defense against the embrasure, but your beloved ukroreich.

        Are we already on you? You calm down. Breathe deeply. Drink Valacardin.
        1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 23: 51
          +5
          There is something wrong with your history. Can you name the number of Soviet troops?
          But does Girkin know that in the Donbass there is dense, urban development, where it is easier to defend than to attack?
          1. k7k8 Online k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 24 May 2022 13: 48
            +1
            Do not confuse the Donetsk urban agglomeration and Donbass. Look at the map at least from the neighboring article https://topcor.ru/25833-rossijskaja-armija-nachala-zamykat-pervyj-kotel-na-donbasse.html - there are tens of kilometers from city to city.
            1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 24 May 2022 15: 28
              +1
              Don't confuse Donbass with Zaporozhye region. We remember how famously across the steppe most of Zaporozhye was occupied. Where there is high urbanism, water barriers or mountains, there will be difficulties.
              1. k7k8 Online k7k8
                k7k8 (vic) 25 May 2022 09: 43
                +1
                Did you look at the map from the link on the same resource? And where is Zaporozhye?
                1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 38
                  +2
                  Zaporizhia is meant - the region, not the city itself. Or can't we think?
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 17: 35
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            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            There is something wrong with your history. Can you name the number of Soviet troops?

            I'm glad it's better than yours.

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            Can you name the number of Soviet troops?

            I know, so what? Opposing the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is also not half a million.

            Quote: Smilodon terribilis nimis
            But does Girkin know that in the Donbass there is dense, urban development, where it is easier to defend than to attack?

            So, what is next? Was there no urban development on the way to Kyiv in February?
            1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 36
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              Duc in the city buildings of Kyiv and stuck.
            2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 39
              +1
              What's better? Tales of liberals?
              Opposes in an open field?
        2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 23: 52
          +4
          Yes, you breathe. So worried about the poor ukrov and loser Girkin.
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        3. Rustem Offline Rustem
          Rustem (Rustem) 24 May 2022 11: 14
          +2
          probably, the WWII operation, when ours drove the Nazis back along the already scorched earth, where the remaining population had nothing to lose, it is not advisable to compare with current realities
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 17: 40
            -3
            A ruined city is no better in terms of assault than a whole one.
        4. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 24 May 2022 12: 36
          +2
          The defeat of the Germans on the Kursk Bulge and the successful offensive of the Soviet troops in the Belgorod-Kharkov direction created the conditions for the expulsion of the invaders from the Donbass.

          The task was entrusted to the Soviet grouping of troops, numbering more than a million soldiers and officers, 21 guns, 000 tanks and 1257 aircraft. The Nazis could oppose the advancing about 1400 thousand soldiers and officers, 540 guns, 5400 tanks and 900 aircraft.

          Yes, just in case. And what was left on the surface of the earth after this operation?
          It is impossible to tear out any event from the context of history.
        5. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
          Indifferent 24 May 2022 14: 59
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          Should not be compared with WWII. Then 200 guns were concentrated per kilometer of the front. The front line was plowed up so that it was not visible where the trenches were. Under than together with people. And there was an army of millions advancing there. And now we have an army of 120 thousand, despite the fact that the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sits in concrete. And their commander-in-chief promises to bring the army up to 700 thousand people.
    4. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
      kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 23 May 2022 21: 38
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      I read the not unknown Girkin, because he is very dissatisfied with the current situation, calling him a bloody push-pull.

      Maybe you need to change the author?

      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      He says that a deep breakthrough is needed, a lightning-fast operation (like near Kyiv at the very beginning of the NMD), otherwise it would be a senseless "grinding" of infantry.

      Girkin - Strelkov graduated from the State Institute of History and Archives in Moscow.
      The young man served in the Air Defense Forces as a gunner in a security company. Having started serving as a private, by June 1994, Girkin received the rank of junior sergeant. He stayed on extra urgent, after 5 months he became a sergeant. A year in Chechnya, then he joined the FSB, took FSB courses and became a starley. From 1999 - 2005 service in Chechnya, the fight against the spiritual underground. He received a colonel, in less than 6 years - a good promotion. from 2005-13 he served in the FSB in Moscow and was fired due to seniority. Not a bad career, 18,5 years of service.
      "Breakthrough, lightning operation", coverage, capture, fellow with all due respect to him, he does not pull on a strategist. Combat at its best! hi
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 May 2022 17: 46
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        Quote: kapitan92
        Maybe you need to change the author?

        Who for example? Do not watch Russian television.

        Quote: kapitan92
        "Breakthrough, lightning operation", coverage, capture, with all my respect for him, he does not pull on a strategist. Combat at best!

        A strategist, not a strategist, but a deep operation according to the precepts of Tukhachevsky is clearly more productive than the trench warfare of the First World War.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 25 May 2022 18: 28
          +2
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          Do not watch Russian television.

          Oleg Rambover, Russian liberals are very far from Russia. laughing
        2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 25 May 2022 23: 56
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          Did Tukhachevsky advance on a continuous fortification against cannons, machine guns, grenade launchers, rocket launchers? I remember the Red Napoleon Pan Jozef drove through the fields of Poland. So what this loser was dragged into is not clear.
  2. vo2022smysl Offline vo2022smysl
    vo2022smysl (Common sense) 23 May 2022 20: 41
    -3
    In fact, there were a few fewer "priseltsev" at Azovstal than previously reported. Judging by the article, Mr. H. does not fully understand the current situation and the prospects for the NWO ...
    I also think that Strelkov is right in many respects.
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 20: 47
      +1
      Actually more. Thought 2000, but it turned out 2400.
      What is wrong with this loser? It would be better to take a machine gun and volunteer to help the Donetsk police. Ali was so scared in 2014 that now he sits and shits from the couch.
  3. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 23 May 2022 21: 48
    -1
    Data on foreigners was not disclosed (classified).
    Either they are already "singing", or they are simply no longer physically there - just for the sake of not singing.
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 24 May 2022 00: 04
      +2
      Or like a performance with Baranyuk.
  4. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 23 May 2022 22: 10
    +2
    The title of the article is intriguing, but the lessons of this operation are rather weak. Any action of the army must be enshrined in law. China has a law on Taiwan, Japan has a law on the northern territories (the Kuriles), Great Britain and Argentina have laws on the Falkland Islands... Why doesn't Putin issue a similar law on Ukraine? First main lesson, urgently:
    It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
    Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia.
    The presence of the Law will give certainty about the future to citizens living on the territory of Ukraine, they will not have to be afraid of the fascist regime.
    All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law.
    The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    For example, in 2005, China passed the "Law on Anti-Secession of the State." According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
    The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows Russia's enemies to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia and allows NATO countries to annex this no man's territory.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 24 May 2022 02: 25
      -2
      But this requires brains and will. And this is not. (
  5. Valery Vinokurov (valery vinokurov) 23 May 2022 22: 21
    0
    God knows what to do with them
    Our Defense Ministry knows better, they will figure it out without couch analysts, I think ..
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 May 2022 22: 47
    +1
    And, a complete win in the text, the author contradicts himself from the very beginning ...

    How do you like such a pearl, Elon Musk: "Thus ended the inglorious!!! epic!!! of the defense of the Azov!!! Brest fortress!!!, which lasted more than two months!!!."

    But there are many, many letters about everything, so that the article is bigger ....
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 24 May 2022 00: 09
      +3
      Well Duc and shameful surrender, isn't it an inglorious end? They could sit there for at least 3 months. The people of Azov ate red caviar with spoons! And the Brest defenders were gassed. And now we have no chemical weapons. Yes, even if it would not be used. Brest defenders:

      I am dying but not giving up!

      Adzhimushkay was taken only with gases. And the Azov cooks and drivers suddenly became scared.
      1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 24 May 2022 02: 29
        +2
        Well Duc with impunity to torture and kill the unfortunate is easy. They are fascists by nature. Just execute them. They are not needed either in quarries and even for fish food.
    2. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 24 May 2022 07: 42
      -1
      I read it. Lots of bookcoffs. For two months, a small group successfully defended itself, tied up Russian troops, and these are "unsuccessful actions"? Oh well. And what kind of losses, except of course the image ones, they inflicted on the Russian army, no one knows - the secret behind seven seals. And besides, where are the so-called Western instructors and mercenaries, whose number in the Russian media was determined as much as 400 people? Where are the NATO generals-admirals who allegedly were there? Well, the anecdote at the beginning is about the "forelock war" - well, that's it ... more hats, we all know that hats are the second main weapon, except for cartoons ... yes
  7. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 13: 27
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    Quote: vlad127490
    First main lesson, urgently:
    It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.

    On ..., sorry, but why? What is the purpose of this legislation? Why is it urgent?
    A lot of nonsense has been written, but I ask in that vein, what will happen if such a law is not adopted? And I answer myself - nothing! Chel poured his illusions on readers in a multi-letter way.
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 May 2022 13: 36
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    Quote: Monster_Fat
    For two months, a small group successfully defended itself, tied up Russian troops, and these are "unsuccessful actions"?

    You can write a lot about "successfully", but in the end there are a lot of prisoners. And your "successes" are cockroaches in your head.
    I am sure that when Russian troops occupy Kyiv and Lvov, you will also talk about the successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The cockroaches in your head are too big)).
  9. k7k8 Online k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 24 May 2022 13: 59
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    Quote: kapitan92
    Combat at best!

    You have now offended all the battalion commanders. In the conditions of modern mobile warfare, the success of operations depends on the commander of highly mobile and well-armed units as part of his battalion, on his knowledge and vision of the situation not only around him, no less than on the skulls of the General Staff. Long gone are the days when a battalion is larger - a battalion is smaller. A modern motorized rifle battalion is more than 400 detachments, armored and armed to the teeth. A modern battalion (and especially a reinforced one, which is the BTG) is up to the task, which during the Great Patriotic War was solved by at least one and a half to two regiments. If you really are a captain (even some kind of rear service), you should know this.
  10. k7k8 Online k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 24 May 2022 14: 22
    +1
    After the article, a rather unpleasant aftertaste remains. It seems that the words are correct, but everything in it is not right. Out of place woven tale about "Kin. The war and the Germans ... More precisely, the Ukrainians." Then another tale that the wrong ones were taken prisoner - there are few tattoos, you see (not to mention foreigners). If the author had watched at least one report about the surrender of the "dung people", he himself would have been convinced that in the vast majority of them there was no living place from rock art. Then, neither to the village nor to the city, is a retelling of either the film "Meeting Place ...", or the novel "The Era of Mercy." The article is full of hatred and underestimation of the enemy, and this in war (no need for songs about a special operation here) is no less dangerous than alarmism. The Red Army began to really beat the enemy not only when it gained combat experience, when it firmly mastered the science of winning, but also when the leadership of the country and the army finally realized that the Nazis had something to learn, and we became diligent students.
    Z.Y. The author, I hope, remembers who Zhoga, Motorola, Zakharchenko and other Heroes of this war were in civilian life? The author, I hope, remembers who Kovpak, Korzh and other Heroes were in civilian life - the partisans of that war?
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 24 May 2022 15: 32
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      There is no hatred.
      And what difference does it make who Motorola, Givi, Zakharchenko were in a previous life? They fought like heroes and died like heroes. But now all sorts of couch rats, mini-Medinsky ones are trying in every possible way to discredit Russia and the militias. Don't wait!
      1. k7k8 Online k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 25 May 2022 10: 21
        +1
        Sometimes chewing is better than talking. I wrote that war is a very special state of society in which seemingly completely civilian people suddenly discover such abilities and qualities that they did not even suspect.
        1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 25 May 2022 10: 34
          -1
          Yeah - in the form of "Spider-Man", "Captain - America", "Wonder Woman" and "Man of Steel". tongue lol
          1. k7k8 Online k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 25 May 2022 11: 56
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            The rock art in your post clearly demonstrates the level of the author's intellect.
  11. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 26 May 2022 13: 23
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    Good article, correct.