What will the unification of Ukraine and Poland lead to in "Rzeczpospolita 3.0"


In our publications we quite often consider possible options for the post-war reconstruction of Ukraine. To this, some of our readers, who three months ago rejoiced at the whistle of the flying "Caliber", now sagely declare that it is too early to share the skin of an unkilled bear. According to the personal opinion of the author of these lines, you should go hunting only when you clearly understand how you will bring down this bear and, more importantly, how exactly to share the trophies with other hunters, otherwise there will be big problems later.


The fact is that Russia is not the only one to enter the “hunting trail”. Poland also took a stand, by the way, which itself has some historical rights to Ukrainian territories, if they suddenly have to be shared with someone. And while the Kremlin continues to get away with laconic and incomprehensible formulations about “demilitarization” and “denazification”, without saying anything concrete to Ukrainians and Russians about the future fate of the former Square, Warsaw is acting consistently and decisively.

"Rzeczpospolita 3.0"


Poland was the first after the start of the Russian special operation in Ukraine to raise the issue of bringing NATO peacekeepers into its territory. Brussels evaded this, but the unspoken consensus was the decision that Warsaw could continue to act directly at its discretion, without affecting the entire North Atlantic alliance. And it began to act, while the "collective Medinsky" was trying to negotiate with the collective West on the terms of an honorable surrender.

President Andrzej Duda recently made an extremely significant statement:

For decades, and God forbid, for centuries. Ukraine is a brotherly state for Poland, and, as, I hope, Vladimir Zelensky prophetically said, there will be no more borders between our countries, Poland and Ukraine. This border will no longer exist! So that we live together on this earth, building and rebuilding together our common happiness and common strength, which will allow us to repel any danger and any possible threat.

The foregoing gave us reason to put forward hypothesisthat, under the threat of a military defeat from Russia, if Ukraine refuses to be accepted into the NATO bloc, Ukraine may try to unite with neighboring Poland into a kind of “Rech Commonwealth”, a new confederate state. It would be very appropriate to self-quote:

As part of President Duda's proposal to remove the borders between Poland and Ukraine, the two countries may well be united into a confederal union (union), where Polish (NATO) troops can be stationed on the territory of Nezalezhnaya.

Some of our regular readers, as "experts", immediately declared that all this was nonsense, nonsense, fantasy, and this could never be. Alas, maybe.

Recall that earlier Warsaw adopted a bill simplifying the situation for numerous Ukrainian refugees, which gave them all the same rights as the Poles, with the exception of voting rights. The day before, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced the adoption of a “mirror” bill for the citizens of the Republic of Poland who find themselves on the territory of Ukraine, commenting as follows:

Today, Andrzej and I understand each other perfectly. Our parliaments, governments and, in general, our peoples understand each other like never before. And it doesn’t matter if it’s Cyrillic or Latin, it doesn’t matter how we write “will” and “independence”. It is important that Ukrainians and Poles say these things in the same way. And equally ready to protect them. Ukraine is doing it already. At the very forefront. Protects not only himself, but the whole of Europe ...

Almost all of our cities are twin cities of Poland. Our peoples are also brothers. Our countries are sisters. We are relatives. And there are no borders or barriers between us. Mentally, they have not separated the Ukrainian and Polish peoples for a long time. Therefore, we have come to an agreement to translate this into an appropriate bilateral agreement in the near future. First, regarding joint border and customs control, and later on a single conditional border, when Ukraine becomes a member of the European Union.

What does this mean in practice?

"Two Seas"


This means the following. While there is a dispute in the Kremlin between its “towers” ​​whether or not to take the Sea of ​​Azov and Donbass into the Russian Federation after liberation and whether to go further, Warsaw and Kyiv have taken the first and absolutely real step towards uniting Poland and all of Ukraine into a union, “Speech Commonwealth 3.0". Jozef Pilsudski's long-standing dream of the emergence of the Intermarium, which has access not only to the Baltic, but also to the Black Sea through Odessa and Nikolaev, will begin to come true.

Now the most combat-ready grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is gradually ceasing to exist in the occupied territory of the DPR and LPR. Many are wondering why President Zelensky is sending more and more reinforcements there to be slaughtered and how he is going to fight with Russia later. In the light of the beginning process of the unification of Ukraine and Poland, a quite logical answer suggests itself. The dead Ukrainian soldiers and National Guardsmen will be replaced by volunteers from among the Polish "vacationers", who will take over the defense of the Black Sea region and Kyiv.

While the “collective Medinsky” is trying to bargain with the collective West, having no sane plan for what to do next with Ukraine or its individual regions, Warsaw is systematically beginning to take what it considers its rightful. At best, Poland will be able to take the Right Bank, at worst, it will keep Western Ukraine.

It will remain so until the Kremlin clearly and unambiguously declares its claims to the former Square and explains to its residents what exactly it has in store for it.
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  1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 23 May 2022 11: 01
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    respected Sergey Marzhetsky is right that it is necessary to state clearly and unequivocally, "all Ukraine should be under the protection of Russia", and that's all ... in principle, respected Sergey Shoigu has already stated, "any convoys with military assistance from NATO countries will become" a legitimate target "for the Russian military" and rightly so, I support the wise general and minister https://www.rbc.ru/politics/04/05/2022/6272410a9a7947ffefd913b6


    this has long been published by Deputy Milonov
  2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 23 May 2022 11: 08
    +1
    While the “collective Medinsky” is trying to bargain with the collective West, having no sane plan for what to do next with Ukraine or its individual regions, Warsaw is systematically beginning to take what it considers its rightful.

    It is quite possible that the West can pull off an operation with Ukraine to unite it with Poland, as it once did an operation to join the GDR to the FRG. Gorbachev was fooled like a child. Will modern Russia allow the West to annex Ukraine to Poland, as the GDR was previously annexed? After all, then the borders of NATO will stand at Kharkov.
    And how would Potemkin and Suvorov act in such a case, if they were now in Russia?
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 23 May 2022 13: 20
      +2
      Potemkin and Suvorov would have crushed both Poland and Ukraine, not caring about the balance of interests of the "Kremlin towers" or the image in the eyes of "partners" and the world community. For, they were guided in their plans and actions by the interests of the state, and not by commodity trade and "the production of oligarchs." And "if they were in Russia now", some would lose their posts, ranks and thrones, and even freedom, for "everything good" and for negotiations and other "curtseys" with the Nazis.
      remember:

      The Kremlin said that "professionals are engaged in negotiations, you need to trust them" and noted the "positive factor" of the negotiations. As the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov noted, "the Ukrainian side, at least, has begun to formulate concretely and put on paper what it proposes." “Until now, it has not been possible to do this,” Peskov recalled.

      again the sweet couple Peskov and Medinsky. + Slutsky with exchange.
      But:

      You can doubt the professional suitability of both Medinsky and Slutsky as much as you like, but the first one, and most likely the second one, was not engaged in gag. The first is because he is an aide to the president and has the right to act only on behalf of Putin. The second is also not a janitor from the gateway, he is acting. leader of one of the leading political parties and chairman of the Duma commission on international affairs, member of the group for negotiating with Kyiv.
      Note: Medinsky was not fired for the Istanbul quirks and was not even threatened with a finger. So, he acted according to the instructions. But this does not stop defeatism from being defeatism.
  3. Sydor Kovpak Online Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 23 May 2022 11: 18
    0
    Maximum Ukrainian Autonomous Republic and no NEDORUSSIA! otherwise there will never be order! And there is no question of any security .... In one country, fascism was missed, and if there are many, who will keep order there?
  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 11: 29
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    Some of our regular readers, as "experts", immediately declared that all this was nonsense, nonsense, fantasies, and this could never be. Alas, but maybe..

    Of course it can. But subject to certain conditions.

    To begin with, I note that when talking about Western Ukraine, people do not understand that Poland is not at all obliged to stop, capturing only three regions. For some reason, many are sure that Poland will stop where some Russian inhabitants want. The piece that Poland will try to occupy depends again on certain conditions.

    The second thing I would like to point out. The absolute illegality of Zelensky's actions. Neither he nor his retinue have the right to violate the Constitution of the country. And there are no such international laws that allow him to transfer the entrusted country to another state.

    And now about certain conditions. Yes, if Russia capitulates to the West, then Poland will gobble up the former Ukraine as a non-state. And this will be true for both Poland and Ukraine.
    But with a probability of 90%, Russia will not give up a single piece of Russian land within the boundaries of the former Ukraine. The introduced Polish troops will be destroyed by tactical nuclear weapons in the Western former Ukraine.
    But this will be true in relation to Russia, Belarus.
    1. Dima Offline Dima
      Dima (Dmitriy) 23 May 2022 11: 35
      +3
      And there are no such international laws that allow him to transfer the entrusted country to another state.

      - look at the process of unification of Germany. That's exactly how it was there.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 11: 45
        -1
        Everything is correct. Everything was so. But the unification of Germany did not become legal from this.
        This is what I mean by not having to live according to the laws of the West. And then some write here "it is necessary to be in time", but "otherwise ...". Spit on the Wishlist of Western countries.
        1. Dima Offline Dima
          Dima (Dmitriy) 27 May 2022 00: 34
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          Why, the unification of Germany is quite legal. The thing is that the law, it is written by people, if desired, it can always be corrected.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 May 2022 11: 38
    +2
    While in the Kremlin there is a dispute between its “towers” ​​whether or not to take the Azov Sea and Donbass into the Russian Federation after liberation

    And why did Putin announce to the whole world Lenin-Stalin in the creation of Ukraine, if he himself does not know what to do with it? I constantly pay attention to the level of education of the authorities and to them grunting. You read the comments, ask people's opinions and 90% will tell you that everything should be annexed to Russia without any referenda and take all of Ukraine. So that later there would be an opportunity to bargain with Poland on a land corridor to Kaliningrad. For our dead. But Putin is our "chess player".
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 24 May 2022 09: 46
      +2
      The chess game of giveaway is the king's hobby, a hobby. The situation is clean in 1917, everything is cracking, there is a war, tsarism is in a panic and does not know what to do, dignitaries whisper in the corners, many emigrate to Paris with stuffed bags, the patriarch prays day and night ...
  6. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 11: 52
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    However, I think that this "unification" is largely a bluff and a stupid attempt to give confidence to the population.
    That, they say, after they break the Armed Forces of Ukraine, other defenders will come. Polish. who will fight for them. And after the war, the former Ukraine will be restored.
    Yeah. And in Poland they will announce that the second state language is language.
  7. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 23 May 2022 12: 16
    0
    Because of the enmity between Russia and Poland, nothing shines in Warsaw. Russia will not allow the Poles even Western Ukraine. The best status of Western Ukraine for Russia is neutral Western Ukraine. Yes, and in Western Ukraine there is no special love for the Poles. The nationalist elements will go nowhere. If the USSR did not manage to do anything with Western Ukraine, the Poles and even more so too tough for the Western regions. Hatred between Poland and Western Ukraine will flare up with renewed vigor.
  8. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 12: 44
    +1
    According to the information that is circulating at the moment, the bill will have the following provisions:
    Citizens of Poland have the right to elective positions in Ukraine (up to the deputies of the Rada), citizens of Poland have the right to be appointed to any administrative positions. Including the command in the army and police. Also for defense companies. Citizens of Poland have the right to hold judicial positions. The Polish police have the right to restore order throughout Ukraine.
    That is, Kyiv surrenders its legislative, executive and judicial powers to Poland. Also the entire secret part and control over the country's armed forces.
    What else is needed to sell the country?
    We are waiting for the official text of the bill. It will be accepted by the Verkhovna Rada. Quite officially. As the saying goes: "A Jew sold a Ukrainian to a Pole."

    PS Detail for a still life. The anthem of Ukraine was written by a Pole. You don't even need to change anything.
    "Polska hasn't died yet" and "Ukraine hasn't died yet".
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 13: 16
      0
      Bakhtiyar, we know that there are group or collective forms of human life. One of them is the community. How strong is the influence of the "Jewish People" community in Poland?

      In Ukraine, if I understand what is happening correctly, only "non-Russian" Ukrainians could expel pro-Russian Ukrainians from their native lands. The community asks itself for this role, it is difficult to find the best candidate.

      I explain the emergence of Nazism in Ukraine by the fact that it is a tool for the illegal seizure of power and its subsequent retention. Who owns the instrument? The one who pays for it, and this is again the community and its chairman, Mr. Kolomoisky.
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 13: 26
        0
        The community is still a little not the tool with which to guide the development of the country.
        Maybe an ideology?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 14: 06
          0
          Bakhtiyar, I did not identify the community with the instrument, you did not want to understand me, then excuse me. yes
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 18: 05
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            Perhaps I didn't understand. But these are your words

            Who owns the instrument? The one who pays for it, and this is again the community and its chairman, Mr. Kolomoisky.

            I understand that Nazism is an instrument of the community.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 18: 12
              0
              Bakhtiyar, you understood me correctly. The State of Israel was created with the participation of the "Jewish People" community, then there were also Nazis.

              PS The Holocaust has been a sacrifice since biblical times. It became widespread, like the genocide of the Jews, only in the 1950s, thanks to the books of the writer Elie Wiesel. And after the emergence of Israel, 1948 release.

              Bandera with the Poles, which is unlikely, or two countries one community?
              1. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 19: 16
                0
                Ukrainians and Poles will not get along together. I'm not even talking about Bandera. It cannot be one community.
                Terminology is not important. A community, a nation... The Poles will quickly Polish all who live there. By historical standards, quite recently the haidamaks hung Poles, Jews and dogs on trees and left signs "Lyakh, Jew, dog - faith is the same."
                A lot has been said about what was happening in Volhynia recently.
                As for the Jews and the Holocaust, I don't think it matters.
                Nazism is still an ideology. It hardly has any bearing on the community.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 19: 35
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                  You reassured me, otherwise I, by a sinful deed, after reading that the largest community of Jews is in the USA, began to worry. Perhaps the reason for this is one handwriting in different places of the world. hi

                  PS I note that Jews and Bandera in Ukraine get along well today. sad
  9. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 23 May 2022 12: 58
    -2
    Putin did not say about the Poles that they are a fraternal people, so we will knead Poland with everything that is available, with the exception, perhaps, of nuclear weapons.
    I told you, they won’t let Russia stop at the Ukrainian-Polish border, they will force them to crush the whole of Europe (unless it itself turns its back on Poland).
    For the time being, I have a feeling that despite the allocation of 40 yards of greenery, the Americans are shriveled, stupefied, that their Minutemen are half rotted like the fleet. Based on this, there is a ghostly chance that Europe will not enact the fifth article when Russia hits Poland, as it asks for it.
    1. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 13: 28
      +2
      When will they stop raving about these nuclear weapons?

      Russia will use nuclear weapons only if its statehood is threatened.

      All. Dot.
      1. 1_2 Offline 1_2
        1_2 (Ducks are flying) 23 May 2022 14: 15
        -1
        no, it’s not a point, only good and good things can be declared in peacetime (we’ll hang them up later), so as not to help the West create the image of a monster country,
        and when it comes to saving tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers, it is necessary to use weapons of mass destruction, especially on enemy territory, and not on our historical lands. when the Yankees dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they justified it precisely by preventing large possible losses of the US army. The Russian Federation has hydrogen "eco" charges, so it can be dropped on frenzied Warsaw to confirm to the senile overseas that the Russian Federation can and will also use their experience in achieving victories
      2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 14: 35
        -2
        When will they stop raving about these nuclear weapons?

        Russia will use nuclear weapons only if its statehood is threatened

        All. Dot.

        Is the war with NATO a threat to statehood?
        Or is it necessary to shove the entire nuclear triad up your ass and not risk offending Poland or Estonia?
        They are members! And Russia is living its last days, as long as the gentlemen from NATO allow it.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 17: 15
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Is the war with NATO a threat to statehood?

          Expert..., in each specific case, you need to ask NATO about their goals and objectives. They attack or threaten everyone. fool
  10. alspas Offline alspas
    alspas (Alexander) 23 May 2022 13: 28
    +1
    There is a point, it's time to CLEARLY say that the former Ukraine will be under the protectorate of Russia and there will be NO partition (external, the Russian Federation is not an external section)!
  11. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 23 May 2022 13: 55
    -1
    the state of the Polish economy is critical, the debt is already 370 billion, there is nothing of its own, except for apples. almost the entire economy belongs to the Germans, they make kits for German machines and equipment, furniture from chipboard, etc. there is still an attack in the form of a loss of the Russian market and an increase in oil gas prices)) as well as the prospect of reducing EU subsidies. all this forces the government of Poland (proteges of the USA) to intensively look for a way out of the pre-bankruptcy situation.
    well, they decided to look not far away, but nearby, at Belarus)) more precisely, at Lukashenka’s experience of parasitizing on Russia, and they decided what is stopping us Poles from adopting this experience and creating a Union with Ukraine, similar to the Union of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, the whole essence of which for Lukashenka is is to live at the expense of the Russian Federation, but not to lose independence, his throne and the opportunity for his heirs to roll off to the West, betraying Russia. in Ukraine, of course, there is no oil and gas in large volumes, but there is black soil.

    the Poles apparently want to negotiate with the Zionists, we will continue to help you with instructors, mercenaries and weapons, but not for this, but in exchange for part of the black soil, which they are going to get after the victory over the Russians, such as sanctions will force the Russians to get out). they do not expect to win in the Russian field. the minimum plan is to leave the Zapadenschina behind, hoping that Putin will be frightened by the donkey ears of NATO sticking out behind them.
    but the experience in Syria has shown that the fear of a repetition of 41 years is much stronger, because the consequences of such a repetition can be hundreds of times more destructive than a local conflict with the dogs of the United States, so you need to hit the cowardly dogs first so that you don’t have to bring down half the world later
  12. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 23 May 2022 14: 41
    -3
    Unfortunately, the Author is 100% right.
    Here, as the poet said: "Your word is Comrade Mauser."
    There is no hope for the Kremlin: V. Putin has lost his leadership qualities.
    If Comrade does not say his word. Lukashenka: it's all over!
  13. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
    BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 23 May 2022 14: 58
    -2
    No matter how the desire of the narrow-minded to create an "intermarium" does not lead to the emergence of a strait with the same name in their place! laughing
  14. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 23 May 2022 16: 49
    -1
    Apparently, Poland will also have to be destroyed, only with other weapons. There is no need to protect anyone - neither military nor civilian.
  15. vo2022smysl Offline vo2022smysl
    vo2022smysl (Common sense) 23 May 2022 20: 31
    +2
    Numerous semi-crazy/provocative comments about the need for us to use nuclear weapons continue to appear here and on the Military Review website. Sofa "warriors-denazifiers-demilitarizers-bombers", you are generally able to reasonably assess the current situation, against whom and why you propose to "bang" nuclear weapons, and most importantly - you understand the consequences of such a step (at least for yourself personally and for your loved ones, if you don't care about everyone else?
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 23 May 2022 21: 24
      -1
      Nuclear weapons are different. Well, they will slander tactically in Poland. Are the others going to die too? So there is no need to sing about the steps. Poland is a pawn. And the fate of all pawns is the same - death. There's a big battle in Pacifica planned. And choosing between Taiwan and Poland, it is clear who will be chosen. And the Poles, if they climb, need to be fucked hard in a perverted form. To run to Svinoustse, dropping slippers.
  16. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 24 May 2022 09: 26
    -2
    The Ukrainian army is already almost defeated in the east. But the Polish army will be replaced and it will take over the protection of the Kyiv type. Polish troops are on the eastern front. In no case should the fucking Poles touch central and especially eastern Ukraine. For so many years, the hyenas of Europe pretended to be an innocent Dove , and as soon as they found an opportunity, they reached out to take it. Only in Lviv they will go nowhere else. The Kremlin must declare itself and tell the truth that we are not fighting against the Ukrainian army at the moment there are Polish mercenaries there are mercenaries from everywhere. a nuclear strike on Lvov. You hear there, the Poles will have access to the Black Sea.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 24 May 2022 10: 45
      +1
      Or maybe in Ukraine you need to look for or appoint your own Minins and Pozharskys to defeat the Poles?
  17. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 24 May 2022 14: 39
    0
    Such a union cannot exist in principle. And there are many reasons for this. And the first one is economic. Poland will not be able to pull Ukraine even to its level. There is no resource base. And the EU will not allow their resources to be wasted. So from one rogue there will be two. The Polish population will not like this. The power will be changed and Ukraine will disappear by itself as an unnecessary appendage. There is another option. The Poles will plant their Gauleiters everywhere and start milking the last, and then the Ukrainians will not like it with the same result.
  18. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 24 May 2022 17: 37
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    4 western regions of Poland. Northern Bukovina of Romania. Transcarpathia of Hungary. The rest of Russia. And nothing else. Well, you can have 2 semi-western (North-Western) Belarus.
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  20. Choro Kyrgyz Offline Choro Kyrgyz
    Choro Kyrgyz (Choro Kyrgyz) 26 May 2022 18: 51
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    It is worth taking into account that although NATO allowed Poland to act independently, they still put some kind of trump card under their sleeve, this needs to be clarified by Russian intelligence officers so that later it would not be a surprise. In this regard, I think Poland is acting confidently and systematically.
  21. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 29 May 2022 11: 05
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    Or maybe you don’t need to say anything, but poke your head and start destroying, but with a more powerful weapon. These are not to be regretted. There will be not only the Commonwealth and the interfluve, but also Poland itself.
  22. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
    igor.igorev (Igor) 31 May 2022 22: 23
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    The President of Russia clearly said that if someone decides to interfere with our NWO, he will regret it for a long time.