Poles begin to take power in Ukraine into their own hands

22 May 2022

On May 22, Polish President Andrzej Duda visited Ukraine and delivered a speech in the Verkhovna Rada. Before him, his colleague Volodymyr Zelensky rose to the podium, who announced the introduction of a bill in the near future in Parliament regarding the special legal status of Polish citizens on Ukrainian territory.

Zelensky thanked the Poles for the adoption of the law on assistance to the citizens of Ukraine. He called this decision unprecedented, since Ukrainians in Poland were given almost the same rights and opportunities as the Poles.

In the near future I will submit to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine a similar - mirror - project

Zelensky said, expressing the hope that all deputies would support him.

After that, legitimate questions arose among the local public and the media, and several functionaries close to the head of the Ukrainian state hurried to explain what the president said, but only confused everything even more. The explanations boiled down to the fact that the president's initiative is to adopt a law similar to the Polish one, and that's it.

Earlier in Poland, a law was adopted that concerns temporarily displaced persons from Ukraine, i.e. refugees. He practically equated Ukrainian citizens with Poles, but without the right to vote. Now Kyiv allegedly wants to make a counter gesture, and the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry is developing a document. At the same time, details regarding its content are not disclosed. This is the whole point of the situation.

The thing is that TG channels, close to various departments of Ukraine, started distributing insider information some time ago. The publications talk about numerous violations of the Constitution of Ukraine, which can be enshrined in the new law if it is adopted. Therefore, many Ukrainians suspected that the bill would not be entirely “mirror”, as the Poles begin to take power in Ukraine into their own hands, in order to eventually annex it to Poland.

For example, Polish citizens will be able to hold elected positions, be appointed to public authorities, to senior positions in defense enterprises, gain access to classified data, and even be judges. Polish policemen will have the right to monitor law and order in Ukraine, and Polish military personnel will become "refugees" on Ukrainian soil and will be able to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine if they wish. How true the Ukrainians' suspicions will become clear when the bill gets to the Verkhovna Rada. For now, we need to be patient and wait a bit, because European integrators from the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry are unlikely to delay such a historical turn in the fate of their country.

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Offline Bahadur

Bahadur (Stanislas) 22 May 2022 23: 08

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In the meantime, the essence and the matter of entih solvers, we must m * machit all transport routes between Poles and crests !!!
Offline shiva

shiva (Ivan) 22 May 2022 23: 16

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And let's call all Ukrainians coming out Americans? Although what to call, they are already almost blacks ...
Ukro-Europeans ... U-people ... Semi-Poles ... Nedolitovites ... Varvaropsheks
Well, to the end - to attach Zelensky to Poland, the lions - to Poltava, Poltava - to Dnepropetrovsk, etc. to Kherson, and there already Kherson and with it one fig, so sanctions - to Crimea
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  isofat (isofat) 22 May 2022 23: 59
  
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  Ivan, we must admit that Ukraine was born ahead of time. This state is a miscarriage. Only in an incubator is it possible to form and develop a premature formation. It is necessary to take the territory of Ukraine under the external control of Russia. I think that Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, should be responsible for rampant Nazism in Ukraine. And the treatment of Ukrainians who fell ill with this disease.
  1. Offline ZZZhuruk
    
    ZZZhuruk (Irina Zhuruk) 23 May 2022 13: 51
    
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    Western and Eastern Ukraine are two different countries, they were artificially connected, and they will never be like-minded. It's like water and stone. What should I do? It's up to the top to decide.
Offline Bakht

Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 May 2022 23: 25

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Zelensky surpassed Petliura. He gave the Poles only the west of the country. Zelensky is giving away all of Ukraine.
But the Poles are great. To annex the remnants of Ukraine without any sacrifices and sanctions... There are no words.
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  1_2 (Ducks are flying) 22 May 2022 23: 56
  
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  Poles will join the heavenly hundred and no more
Offline Volga073

Volga073 (MIKLE) 22 May 2022 23: 46

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Jew sold Ukrainian lands to Poles))
Offline Volga073

Volga073 (MIKLE) 22 May 2022 23: 47

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Ukraine was a country, it became the Outskirts of Poland))
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  guest 23 May 2022 13: 59
  
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  This misunderstanding has never been a country, but I agree with the rest.
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1_2 (Ducks are flying) 22 May 2022 23: 54

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Duda, as the grandson of a Bandera, decided to take revenge on the Poles for his grandfather)) by sending Polish mercenaries to be slaughtered, now he wants to dispose of the police with Caliber
Offline Siegfried

Siegfried (Gennady) 23 May 2022 03: 13

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the Poles stirred, because the Kyiv regime is on the verge, big zrada one after another. It will be difficult to imitate the existence of the Ukrainian state further. What to feed the Ukrainians, even if Arestovich no longer knows what to think of? The surrender of Azov as a "special operation", boilers in the Donbass, the terrorist defense refuses to fight, seeing bulletproof vests on sale and not seeing them on itself, big hello from the EU on joining, Borrell (we will solve everything on the battlefield) now "weapon stocks are all friends" , in the USA, 40 billion were allocated, as it were, but it is already clear that there will be no more. Yes, and out of 40 they will give exactly as much as the patient needs, so that he doesn’t die before he could deliver a couple more blows before he finally dies - while the states will determine this line very accurately (the CIA will tell you), so that not to give money to an already dead patient, but also not to miss the opportunity to further harm Russia.

The Kyiv regime has reached its finish, it would seem! But it's far from certain.

Sooner or later, the division of Ukraine between Poland and Russia will begin. It would be stupid for Poland to fight with Russia for territories, and NATO is unlikely to approve this. It would make more sense to agree. Poland is more suitable option, where there is almost nothing left of Ukraine, then she can safely swallow Galicia.

At this stage, the West is unlikely to harbor hopes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to contain something there, let alone recapture it. The damage that the Armed Forces inflict on the RF Armed Forces is very limited, even if sometimes they succeed in successful artillery strikes or single hits from ATGMs. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not yet on the verge of collapse. They, as follows from social networks, are preparing new frontiers and putting together new forces, trying to maintain a combat-ready squad. Reservists and terrorist defenders are sent to the front, purely for slaughter for the sake of gaining time and exhausting the enemy.

And here, of course, the question arises - how interested is Poland in general in stabilizing the front after the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of Donbass? Suppose the allied forces create a pair of boilers for 10 - 15 second-rate Ukrainian warriors, when, as a trap of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they can create something more or less combat-ready. If at this moment, immediately after the boilers and the draining of the mass of reservists, there is a public demand in Ukraine for negotiations, an end to the war, which will be supported by old Europe (Germany, France), then a situation may well arise where Ukraine will still have serious military capabilities, large territory and will remain as a state - requiring money and assistance. If Russia agrees to peace on its own terms not with Zelensky, but with someone else, how then does Poland think to roll up to this with its Wishlist on Ukrainian territories?

But this will not happen with the current Ukrainian regime, which will not be able to agree with Moscow, because then it will have to admit the loss of Donbass and Kherson and fulfill a lot of unrealistic conditions. Then the regime will end after the signing of peace. But the change of power in Ukraine (anything can happen) opens up these options through the nullification of responsibility for the past.

After the Donbass, if the Zelensky regime and the stability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are maintained, the hostilities will continue. Poland needs Russia to demilitarize Ukraine thoroughly, to the point of complete collapse, and that Russia would suffer losses in the process. Poland will receive its piece only after the collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Kyiv regime.

Another option is to involve the Polish Armed Forces in the fighting on the territory of Ukraine, in order to try to really stop Russia. But why is it for Poland, what will they get then? They want the collapse of Ukraine. In addition, the military operations of the Polish Armed Forces cannot be limited to Ukraine, it will be a war between Russia and Poland and NATO, because Russia will bomb the Poles when they cannot respond from their airfields. And just like that, the Poles will not substitute their units for the distribution of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Maybe they are now replacing the Armed Forces of Ukraine with their "volunteers" in other directions, the border with Belarus, the coast, wherever there is no contact with the RF Armed Forces. So that Ukraine could send everything it has to the front, and so that there would not be any Armed Forces of Ukraine on the territory "for Poland" that could interfere with joining. But this has its drawbacks - Ukrainians will die at the front, knowing that the Poles are already occupying their territory and waiting for Russia to finally finish them off.
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  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 07: 38
  
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  Sooner or later, the division of Ukraine between Poland and Russia will begin. It would be stupid for Poland to fight with Russia for territories, and NATO is unlikely to approve this. It would make more sense to agree. Poland is more suitable option, where there is almost nothing left of Ukraine, then she can safely swallow Galicia.
  
  Poland and Russia will never agree. It is even less likely that Russia can negotiate with Ukraine. For Poland, the minimum task is Western Ukraine. The maximum task is Kyiv. Many in Poland consider Kyiv to be a Polish city. It was under the rule of Lithuania and Poland for almost 400 years.
  
  Poland needs Russia to demilitarize Ukraine thoroughly, to the point of complete collapse, and that Russia would suffer losses in the process. Poland will receive its piece only after the collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Kyiv regime.
  
  Poland just does not need a complete collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They need the Armed Forces of Ukraine to create a front along the Dnieper. Therefore, they need to preserve the Ukrainian state, which will be their vassal (protectorate). Save Odessa and Nikolaev for Ukraine as an outlet to the Black Sea. They need a manual president and a manual parliament in Kyiv. Then the Ukrainian state is formally preserved, but in fact this territory (up to the Dnieper) becomes a province of Poland.
  
  In addition, the military operations of the Polish Armed Forces cannot be limited to Ukraine, it will be a war between Russia and Poland and NATO, because Russia will bomb the Poles when they cannot respond from their airfields.
  
  There will be no war with NATO, because even at the very beginning of the NWO, NATO (in particular the United States) announced that individual NATO states, on their own initiative, could send troops to the territory of Ukraine. But there is a factor of Belarus. Therefore, Ukrainians hastily build fortifications on the Ukraine-Belarus border.
  
  Kyiv is burning its troops to gain time. Therefore, after the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, Nikolaev and Odessa become the most important goal. They must be taken as soon as possible, regardless of any losses.
  
  In any case, we must wait for the text of the bill itself.
  
  PS Yesterday there was unverified information that two Polish battalions were already in Pavlograd.
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    Human_79 (Andrei) 23 May 2022 07: 58
    
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    I agree. Everything is written correctly.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 06: 01

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Quote: Bakht
But the Poles are great. To annex the remnants of Ukraine without any sacrifices and sanctions... There are no words.

There is no law yet. Those who will carry out this law are no more. But victorious reports are already being written.
You buried Russia too early. Too early.
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  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 07: 21
  
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  Your conclusions are strange. Where is it written that I "buried Russia"?
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    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 07: 56
    
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    And where did I write that you wrote "buried Russia"?
    I even gave you a quote.
    Your statement is based on the fact that the existence of Russia can be ignored.
    The Poles, they say, will come and take their territories without any problems. No one will interfere with them. Only some enthusiastic spectators will clap their hands.
    
    So I am writing to you in response to the above quote - you buried Russia too early.
    If the Poles take the risk, they will have both victims and big problems. And not only from Russia. Ukrainians, I would also take into account.
    And the seizure of the territories of the former Ukraine creates a precedent.
    After some time, perhaps Germany will want to occupy some areas of Poland in order to save them from the power of terrible Russia.
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      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 08: 05
      
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      Here is your quote
      
      You buried Russia too early. Too early.
      
      I would take into account the German factor if Germany had an independent government.
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        Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 10: 34
        
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        But the Poles are great. Without any sacrifices and sanctions to annex the remnants of Ukraine.
        
        Write as a fait accompli that there is a lie.
        Well, or not a lie, but an absolute certainty that this will happen in the near future. Confidence that no one will interfere with Poland, and even attempts to prevent the occupation will not be made.
        By saying that you buried Russia early, I mean that you absolutely unreasonably believe that Russia will not go into conflict with Poland on the territory of the former Ukraine.
        Russia is not dead either militarily or politically. And if not dead, then do not bury.
        
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        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 12: 10
        
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        You are using too strong words.
        Poland wants to annex the remnants of Ukraine. And he can do it. What to understand by the remnants of Ukraine, I did not write. It can be just Western Ukraine, or maybe something more. So it's not a lie. This is written almost every day by smarter people than you and me.
        Russia will go into conflict with any country that goes beyond the borders of Western Ukraine. What you attribute to me are your thoughts. Not mine.
        
        Imagine a situation. Kyiv officially invites one country to help. And this country is introducing troops, let's say, to the Dnieper. And compare with Syria. Then the Russian troops are in Ukraine illegally, and the Polish ones at the request of the legal government of Ukraine.
        Of course, everyone has given a damn about international law many times already. But in the UN Security Council, even China will not support Russia.
        
        Today, Russia can actually take a few more regions. She will not be able to reach the Carpathians. And he doesn't want to. There is a maximum possible at this stage. This does not mean that I "buried Russia". This means that I really assess the situation at this stage.
        As one of the deputies (whom I respect for his adequacy) said, after February 24, Russia took a one way ticket. Nothing but Victory is already impossible. Another thing is what to understand by Victory.
        
        And further. The president of Poland, who will be able to annex at least only Lvov, will go down in the history of Poland as a national hero. A monument of gold will be erected to him in the center of Warsaw. And in this matter, the Poles absolutely do not care about the opinion of the United States. This is what must come from.
Offline viktor goblin

viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 23 May 2022 06: 54

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Polish policemen will get the right to monitor the law and order in Ukraine" - But this is the case!
Offline Human_79

Human_79 (Andrei) 23 May 2022 07: 55

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Poland decided to get into Ukraine. Nothing good. This means that Polish military units or military units formed in Ukraine, but recruited from Polish citizens, will soon appear at the front.
Offline Muscool

Muscool (Glory) 23 May 2022 08: 40

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And what did you want from the corrupt 404, whoever gives the money will pull up the skirt before
Offline Bulanov

Bulanov (Vladimir) 23 May 2022 09: 25

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For now, we need to be patient and wait a bit, because European integrators from the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry are unlikely to delay such a historical turn in the fate of their country.

It is clear that Zelensky and the West can pull off a trick by Petlyura, who gave Western Ukraine to the Poles. Therefore, he orders his troops to stand and not retreat in order to quickly adopt a law on unification with Poland in the Verkhovna Rada and save more land for Poland.
Russia needs to have time to take the Black Sea coast before this adoption of the law, otherwise the West, on almost legal grounds, will stand up for the new formation of Poland-Ukraine (Ukropolsha) from sea to sea. Perhaps the offensive will be more pragmatic to carry out through the lands of the Kirovograd region until reunification with Transnistria. The remaining giant cauldron will probably be easier to take.
Offline Michael L.

Michael L. 23 May 2022 09: 30

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So the President of Poland A.Duda recently stated:

In the near future there will be no more borders between Poland and Ukraine.

While the Russian Federation is messing around in the Donbass: the Poles, with the consent of Ukrainian politicians, are coveting the Anschluss of the "rest" of Ukraine.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 10: 52

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Russia needs to have time to take the Black Sea coast before this adoption of the law, otherwise the West will almost legally stand up for the new formation of Poland-Ukraine

Oh, you're all trying to conform to Western laws. To be in time ... otherwise ...
A) Do not recognize any laws, associations, etc. On what basis are they recognized? What if Zelensky declares the former Ukraine part of the United States - will it be legal? He may issue at least two hundred laws, but they will not be worth the paper on which they are printed.
For Russia, the referendum is not the reason for unification, but for b. Is Ukraine enough of a law written in a bunker by someone there?
B) It is high time to consider the invasion of NATO troops into the territory of Russia, including b. Ukraine - aggression against Russia. And fight not against Poland, but against NATO. Which means only one kind of war - nuclear.
To warn, and in case of misunderstanding of the consequences by the Poles - to destroy the 20 largest urban agglomerations of Poland. The people in a democracy must pay for their democracy.

It is high time to clearly and clearly formulate what the West will pay for the war against Russia. Draw a red line, after which an invoice will arrive for payment. No need to aim at military facilities and cares about the well-being of civilians. This is hypocrisy. It's a burp of bad self-defense laws that take care not to harm a criminal, God forbid.

After all, everything is very simple. Don't go where you don't belong. Live how you want, in your territory.

I think that Russia can afford to draw borders: Russia itself, Belarus, Ukraine, Transnistria, South Ossetia, Kazakhstan.
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Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 12: 22

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So it's not a lie. This is written almost every day by smarter people than you and me.

Weak argument.
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  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 May 2022 13: 52
  
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  Strong enough. They don't just write, they write well.
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Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 12: 35

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Imagine a situation. Kyiv officially invites one country to help. And this country is introducing troops, let's say, to the Dnieper. And compare with Syria. Then the Russian troops are in Ukraine illegally, and the Polish ones at the request of the legal government of Ukraine.

You are cheating. It is one thing to conclude a military treaty, and quite another to annex part of the country to its territory. I can remind you once again how the conversation began:

But the Poles are great. To annex the remnants of Ukraine without any sacrifices and sanctions... There are no words.
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  isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 17: 40
  
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  Expert..., you are cheating. Format your answer so that your opponent knows what was answered and can read this answer in a timely manner.
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Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 12: 39

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Today, Russia can actually take a few more regions. She will not be able to reach the Carpathians. And he doesn't want to. There is a maximum possible at this stage. This does not mean that I "buried Russia". This means that I really assess the situation at this stage.

"Real" is your opinion? Or will time tell?
I am especially touched by your confidence that you know what Russia wants or does not want.
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Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 May 2022 12: 44

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There will be no war with NATO, because even at the very beginning of the NWO, NATO (in particular the United States) announced that individual NATO states, on their own initiative, could send troops to the territory of Ukraine.

I really like the logic that NATO can unilaterally decide whether there will be a war with Russia or not. Like guys, do what you want, there will still be no war. If Russia destroys Poland, then there will be no war with NATO? That's for sure? Can you really count on this?
Offline Jacques sekavar

Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 23 May 2022 17: 33

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The Poles are starting to take power in Ukraine into their own hands - it’s a pity that it’s not the Russian Federation
Offline Enoch

Enoch (Enoch) 23 May 2022 19: 19

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―Stop! Is Shere Khan the Leader of the Pack? Or are you jackals to grovel before him?

It's time for Ukrainians to understand that they are also Russians and stop kowtowing before the paths of non-rainfall.
Offline Siegfried

Siegfried (Gennady) 24 May 2022 18: 01

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I wonder how intensely the EU hints to Ukrainians that the path to the EU is closed. Various leaders of the EU countries, the head of the EC and others, constantly repeat about the impossibility of Ukraine's entry into the European Union. They say the same about the prospects for further military assistance from the EU.

One gets the impression that the EU is not addressing the Ukrainian regime (this has long been explained by everyone), but directly to the Ukrainians. Thus, hinting to them that since the path to the EU is closed, you will live with your Zefuhrer and corrupt regime, for which there is no point in dying. The EU wants Ukraine's military defeat not so that Russia would win, but perhaps fearing even more terrible scenarios that the USA, England and Poland could throw at Europe. A big war, the risk of which is quite high, will mean not only risks of a military nature. This will mean a complete halt of any supplies from Russia to Europe.

Knowing that in the EU a significant part of society is already inclined to believe the Russian narrative, such a scenario could have fatal or even lethal consequences for the EU. A social explosion from the economic consequences, protests against the participation of the armed forces in the conflict and a host of other unpredictable scenarios - the EU is trying to jump off the train, which is gaining momentum rushing to the cliff.

In this regard, Lavrov allowed himself a slight mockery

If the West wants to offer something in terms of resuming relations with Russia, then we will seriously consider whether we will need it or not.

thus commenting on the EU's rollback from the original Napoleonic plan against Russia.
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Yatva (I) 24 May 2022 18: 37

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Hugging - almost copulating!!!...