It became known about the use of laser weapons by Russia in Ukraine

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During a special operation in Ukraine, Russia uses laser weapons, which, due to their power, have great destructive power. In addition, the weapon allows you to save on expensive missile launches. Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov spoke about this in an interview with Channel One.


They are already starting to enter the army. Yes, the first samples are already being used in military operations in Ukraine

Borisov noted.

The laser complex used in Ukraine was named Zadira and is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 5 km. Its creation became known in 2017, when a contract was signed with the All-Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics in Sarov for the development of this combat installation. The then Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Yuri Borisov, also took part in the signing of the agreement.

The Bully is said to operate on some new physical principles. Apparently, the weapon is based on explosive magnetic generators that form powerful streams of electromagnetic radiation.

One of the priority areas of the institute's activities is research in the field of electrophysics with the aim of creating strong pulsed magnetic fields and powerful energy sources based on explosive magnetic generators.
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  1. GIS Online GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 18 May 2022 15: 47
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    something new for me. have to search))
  2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 18 May 2022 16: 06
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    This is really pleasing, but 5 km is extremely small, if the distance to hit targets could be increased to 9-10 km, this would be just an ideal result.
    1. Denisimo Offline Denisimo
      Denisimo (Denis) 18 May 2022 16: 44
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      Well, these are just sea trials in real combat conditions. There will be development. Eh, Sarov will bypass Tesla in curbing lightning)
    2. Vamp Offline Vamp
      Vamp (wamp) 18 May 2022 20: 31
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      Quote: sgrabik
      5 km is very little

      This is the most problematic distance, where every little thing will roam, for which an anti-aircraft guided projectile / missile will be too fat / uneconomical.
    3. Krilion Offline Krilion
      Krilion (Krilion) 19 May 2022 04: 30
      +6
      do not forget that if we talk about laser weapons, then the range of destruction directly depends on the line-of-sight range .. and now think about where you can find a flat place so that the target can be observed at a distance of 9-10 km? .. probably only in the case air-based such weapons .. so if we are talking about the land version, then 5 km is quite acceptable ..
      1. Victorio Offline Victorio
        Victorio (Victorio) 19 May 2022 18: 23
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        Quote: Krilion
        do not forget that if we talk about laser weapons, then the range of destruction directly depends on the line-of-sight range .. and now think about where you can find a flat place so that the target can be observed at a distance of 9-10 km? .. probably only in the case air-based such weapons .. so if we are talking about the land version, then 5 km is quite acceptable ..

        well, yes, from a height of 1 meter, the horizon line is at a distance of about 4 km. but a range margin would not hurt
      2. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
        Luenkov (Arkady) 24 May 2022 19: 44
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        On cell towers... the place... In the mountains, clean air. Armenia will be delighted
  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 May 2022 16: 52
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    And what about "Peresvets"? Can they shoot down Musk's reconnaissance satellites over Ukraine?
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 18 May 2022 18: 16
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      Not yet. Till...
    2. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 18 May 2022 19: 22
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      And what about "Peresvets"? Can they shoot down Musk's reconnaissance satellites over Ukraine?

      No. And without "Bye" Otherwise, it will no longer be "Peresvet"
    3. Vamp Offline Vamp
      Vamp (wamp) 18 May 2022 20: 32
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      Quote: Bulanov
      "Relights"? They can shoot down Musk's reconnaissance satellites

      He only blinds.
    4. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 03: 06
      +1
      They write that Peresvets are yesterday. They only blind the satellites and electronics of the aircraft. And the Bully burns the aircraft itself. Mostly drones.
  4. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 18 May 2022 18: 32
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    Undoubtedly a good step... The best weapons are those that have been tried and tested, with confirmed/changed characteristics...
  5. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 May 2022 19: 25
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    The Bully works on some new physical principles. Apparently, the weapon is based on explosive magnetic generators that form powerful streams of electromagnetic radiation.

    bully Oh, how many wonderful discoveries we have ....
    1. Victor frost Offline Victor frost
      Victor frost (Victor Frost) 19 May 2022 13: 16
      +3
      Observer, but inattentive. When people talk about new physical principles, they are not talking about some new, previously unknown principles. And about new functions that were not previously used in any types of weapons ...
  6. Eduard Viktorovich Offline Eduard Viktorovich
    Eduard Viktorovich (Eduard Viktorovich) 18 May 2022 20: 24
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    I really hope that this kind of weapon will become a breakthrough in civilian life, such as new technical processes in metalworking, electronics and composites. In the 80s of the 20th century there was a brochure of the Military Publishing House, Lasers in military affairs, it was written that any process associated with the destruction (evaporation) of metal is potentially a weapon.
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 03: 13
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      There is very little information about this laser weapon. But somewhere information flashed (I haven’t found it now) that the main drawback of laser weapons is a huge energy consumption. And between one use of this weapon in a few seconds, before its next action, a recharge of at least half an hour is required.
      Well maybe now something has changed and improved. Information, I repeat. no.
      1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
        Omas Bioladen 19 May 2022 17: 17
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        Ich habe irgendwo gelesen aber ich weiß nicht mehr wo, daß Rußland neuartige und sehr leichte und kleine Batterien erfunden hat, die zum Beisiel in starken Radaren an Bord ihrer 4G+++ und 5G Kampfflugzeugen installiert sind und deren Suchreichweite stark erhöhen. Diese Batterientechnologie schien neuartig zu sein und bisher ist darüber nichts von anderen Nationen verlautbart worden. Vielleicht könnte solche Btterientechnik auch die Grundlage sein für eine kampftaugliche Laserwaffe.
        1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
          Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 20: 47
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          Maybe . Although I read about other batteries that are quite powerful and durable, up to 50 years. These are nuclear batteries. but they emit radiation (radiation) and therefore they are placed only on satellites. In general, you probably noticed that there are no solar panels on Russian satellites, as it used to be. Perhaps they are atomic.
          There is also another type of energy production, which was invented in Russia. This is a synthetic fabric that, when heated, produces electrical energy. And the higher the heating temperature, the more received el. energy. For example, you can put such a rag on the radiator and charge your smartphone from it.
          But for a combat laser, of course, such energy is extremely small.
          I read somewhere that to drill a 1 cm hole in a steel plate, the laser will use 5 kilowatts ..
          Now imagine how much email you need. energy to burn through an aircraft at a distance of 5 km.
          1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
            Omas Bioladen 20 May 2022 13: 17
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            Gibt es Materialien, die Laser reflektieren oder absorbieren? Soetwas wie einen Spiegel?
            1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
              Roma Phil (Roma) 21 May 2022 01: 05
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              Yes. Exist. Basically, these are metal mirrors with special cooling systems.
              In this case, the laser beam loses approximately 2%. (sometimes more) of its power
              In addition, the power of the laser beam to be reflected is no more than 6 - 7 kilowatts
              Even a cooled mirror cannot withstand high power. It just twists.
              1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
                Omas Bioladen 21 May 2022 13: 24
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                Interesting. Thanks Thus, Russia will soon introduce flying frozen aircraft into its armed forces. ( : ha ha ha
    2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 19 May 2022 11: 36
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      Quote: Eduard Viktorovich
      any process associated with the destruction (evaporation) of metal is potentially a weapon

      Is there welding too?
      1. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
        Omas Bioladen 19 May 2022 17: 44
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        Ja, in Aswovstal und das Schweißgerät nennt sich Tos-2.
  7. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 09: 49
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    Quote: sgrabik
    This is really pleasing, but 5 km is extremely small, if the distance to hit targets could be increased to 9-10 km, this would be just an ideal result.

    Technical reasons (according to the source - PV Zarubin "Akademik Basov ...") consisted in the fact that at a micron wavelength of laser radiation it was practically impossible to focus the beam onto a relatively small area. Those. if the target is at a distance of more than 100 km, then the natural angular divergence of optical laser radiation in the atmosphere as a result of scattering is 0,0001 degrees. This was established in the Institute of Atmospheric Optics at the Siberian Branch of the USSR Academy of Sciences in Tomsk, specially created to ensure the implementation of the program for the creation of laser weapons, which was headed by Acad. V.E. Zuev. From this it followed that the laser radiation spot at a distance of 100 km would have a diameter of at least 20 meters, and the energy density over an area of ​​1 cm2 at a total laser source energy of 1 MJ would be less than 0,1 J / cm2. This is too little - in order to hit the rocket (create a hole in it of 1 cm2, depressurizing it), more than 1 kJ / cm2 is required

    At a short distance, where, in principle, accurate focusing on a small surface is possible, the angular movements of the target relative to the weapon do not allow heating to a sufficient temperature due to the short retention time of the laser spot at one point. And at 10 kilometers, the spot will be 2 meters in size. (Added by me).
  8. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 09: 55
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    Quote: Roma Phil
    They write that Peresvets are yesterday. They only blind the satellites and electronics of the aircraft. And the Bully burns the aircraft itself. Mostly drones.

    Where is it taken from? Find my post in this thread. The reasons for the impossibility of this in the ATMOSPHERE are described there. "Bully", as I understand it, is quickly made for the next shot. But the physics of laser radiation is common to all.
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 12: 55
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      Deputy Prime Minister Borisov presented a new laser complex "Zadira"

      From the technical characteristics of the "Zadira" it is known that it is capable of hitting a target at a distance of up to five kilometers and "absolutely freely" shoots down drones, burning their insides in five seconds. The laser weapon acts with a directed heat flow of high power.
      “This weapon does not kill, but burns out the electronics of enemy vehicles” ....... The fundamental difference between the “Brawler” and its predecessor “Relight” is that it does not blind the electronics, but destroys it. Borisov noted on the sidelines of the New Horizons marathon
  9. Andrey Berkut Offline Andrey Berkut
    Andrey Berkut (Andrei) 19 May 2022 11: 48
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    where are the usage stats? No? well, no legs, no cartoons
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 19 May 2022 20: 09
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      Quote: Andrey Berkut
      where are the usage stats? No? well, no legs, no cartoons

      now they will show and tell you everything, with calculations and drawings
  10. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 13: 06
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    Quote: Roma Phil
    Deputy Prime Minister Borisov presented a new laser complex "Zadira"
    From the technical characteristics of the "Zadira" it is known that it is capable of hitting a target at a distance of up to five kilometers and "absolutely freely" shoots down drones, burning their insides in five seconds. The laser weapon acts with a directed heat flow of high power.
    “This weapon does not kill, but burns out the electronics of enemy vehicles” ....... The fundamental difference between the “Brawler” and its predecessor “Relight” is that it does not blind the electronics, but destroys it. Borisov noted on the sidelines of the New Horizons marathon

    What do you say in the name of prestige. A bureaucrat who got pissed off in the production of weapons. Successfully failed in import substitution. I believe in mathematics and physics. You need to somehow get to the "innards". Really through cracks in a covering of the device? If you don’t understand, I emphasize, the laser beam is scattered in the atmosphere due to the physical properties of the atmosphere. And the main enemy is water, in the molecular state of any humidity in the air. Microdrops, instantly exploding, with their steam decompose the beam into a broom. To heat something with such a wide spot - 2 meters in diameter (per 10 km), power is needed in the square more than what is eating now. Megawatt lasers have volumes with high-rise buildings. There they add up the power by optical systems, synchronizing the flashes of hundreds. The aperture of the laser (in a simple way, the diameter of the front lens) should be several meters. In space (vacuum), the destruction of iron is possible even with the quite small-sized systems available today. There, the beam does not diverge and its power is not spread over a large area.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 19 May 2022 18: 26
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      I believe in math and physics

      Do you think military-industrial complex designers are less knowledgeable in these disciplines?
    2. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 23 May 2022 21: 50
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      Maybe it's a "laser armata"? She is, and she is not!? But she is!
  11. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 19 May 2022 15: 37
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    As always, there are no analogues, but the release is somewhere in the future. The engine on the An-3 will be ready after 2024, but here ....
  12. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 17: 02
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    Quote: aslan642
    As always, there are no analogues, but the release is somewhere in the future. The engine on the An-3 will be ready after 2024, but here ....

    In fact, these principles for obtaining an explosive magnetic generator using the energy of an explosion of a TNT charge were studied back in 1952. Soviet scientists. A pulse of electric current of 100 million amperes has been received. http://elib.biblioatom.ru/text/saharov_nauchnye-trudy_1995/go,72/
    At the same time, the possibility of throwing metal parts using such impulse electrical installations was investigated. An aluminum ring of 2 grams was fired at a speed of 100 km / s. True, the ring turned into steam.
  13. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 19: 16
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    Quote: Victorio
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    I believe in math and physics

    Do you think military-industrial complex designers are less knowledgeable in these disciplines?

    Listen to them. And not an official covering his ass with heresy. And think for yourself. Any speaker has some purpose, that is why he speaks. Only you yourself, armed with knowledge and able to think logically, can find the truth.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 19 May 2022 20: 04
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      And think for yourself.

      Yes, I see how you think for everyone. an hour not from these VPK designers?

      Quote: dub0vitsky
      Any speaker has some purpose, that is why he speaks.

      What is your goal yourself, "talking" so much here? exposing, settling scores or enlightenment?
  14. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 21: 06
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    Quote: Victorio
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    And think for yourself.

    Yes, I see how you think for everyone. an hour not from these VPK designers?

    Quote: dub0vitsky
    Any speaker has some purpose, that is why he speaks.

    What is your goal yourself, "talking" so much here? exposing, settling scores or enlightenment?

    Of course, I also have a goal. You are not mistaken. Designer, including orders from the Moscow Region. 25 years of experience, now a pensioner, and already with experience. It is impossible to think for another. Therefore, I do not undertake this task, but I suggest you think.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 20 May 2022 14: 39
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      It is impossible to think for another

      ? Every leader thinks for his subordinates. if you do not take on this task, then you are not a leader.

      Quote: dub0vitsky
      I suggest you think.

      to think means consciously, that is, turning on the mind and attention, actively and independently solve life or situational problems. therefore, here you are also passing by, there is more chatter, pastime, satisfaction of some of your ambitions or needs, well, or just getting information
  15. ZnahWest Offline ZnahWest
    ZnahWest (Ingvar b) 20 May 2022 10: 09
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    We are waiting for information about the practice ...
  16. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 20 May 2022 14: 45
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    Quote from Omas Bioladen
    Ich habe irgendwo gelesen aber ich weiß nicht mehr wo, daß Rußland neuartige und sehr leichte und kleine Batterien erfunden hat, die zum Beisiel in starken Radaren an Bord ihrer 4G+++ und 5G Kampfflugzeugen installiert sind und deren Suchreichweite stark erhöhen. Diese Batterientechnologie schien neuartig zu sein und bisher ist darüber nichts von anderen Nationen verlautbart worden. Vielleicht könnte solche Btterientechnik auch die Grundlage sein für eine kampftaugliche Laserwaffe.

    You are talking about the SIZE of the batteries. But it must be borne in mind that for a powerful laser pulse, and even, given its extremely low efficiency, barely reaching ten percent, a large source power is needed. But more power cannot be transferred to energy storage devices in a fraction of a second. HERE is the main obstacle - SLOW charging of batteries or capacitor banks. It follows that repeated "shots" can be made only after a long period of time, which is not acceptable for a real battle.
  17. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 20 May 2022 17: 24
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    Quote: Victorio
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    It is impossible to think for another

    ? Every leader thinks for his subordinates. if you do not take on this task, then you are not a leader.

    Quote: dub0vitsky
    I suggest you think.

    to think means consciously, that is, turning on the mind and attention, actively and independently solve life or situational problems. therefore, here you are also passing by, there is more chatter, pastime, satisfaction of some of your ambitions or needs, well, or just getting information

    Think for the subordinate. More stupidity cannot be imagined. The coryphaeus of cybernetics, Norbert Wiener, wrote in his writings that a leader should NEVER do the work of his subordinate. Even when he has absolutely nothing to do at the moment. Anyone should think only about how to do the job that he was entrusted to do in the best possible way. The chief designer of a product never thinks about the details. He thinks about the product in general. And for the study of components, parts, electrical circuits, hydraulics, design and other things, there are their own designers who deal with these things. and the higher the status of the leader, the less time he has left for trifles.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 21 May 2022 08: 57
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      More stupidity cannot be imagined.

      right, constructor constructor, because somehow
  18. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 21 May 2022 14: 27
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    Quote: Victorio
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    More stupidity cannot be imagined.

    right, constructor constructor, because somehow

    The principles of cybernetics are valid for any society, machine, individual. Find a book by this author - "Cybernetics, or Control and Communication in Animal and Machine".
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 22 May 2022 13: 41
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      Quote: Victorio
      Quote: dub0vitsky
      More stupidity cannot be imagined.

      right, constructor constructor, because somehow

      The principles of cybernetics are valid for any society, machine, individual. Find a book by this author - "Cybernetics, or Control and Communication in Animal and Machine".

      it just so happened that I, a graduate of the Faculty of Management, and having worked for a significant time as a manager, did not have a chance to read this undoubtedly important and fundamental document, and not only this one. and with the designers had a chance to work, and there is the same thing. you, as a leader, think, imagine, explain and set a task, control/correct/choose options in the process of design work, accept a drawing/project. and further continuation with manufacturing. testing, training and writing instructions for the user, control over the proper operation of the manufactured. Naturally, the higher the qualification, experience, responsibility of the performer, the less the participation / intervention of the head is necessary. the formation or search for such a performer is also one of the tasks of the leader.
  19. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 22 May 2022 16: 02
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    Quote: Victorio
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    Quote: Victorio
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    More stupidity cannot be imagined.

    right, constructor constructor, because somehow

    The principles of cybernetics are valid for any society, machine, individual. Find a book by this author - "Cybernetics, or Control and Communication in Animal and Machine".

    it just so happened that I, a graduate of the Faculty of Management, and having worked for a significant time as a manager, did not have a chance to read this undoubtedly important and fundamental document, and not only this one. and with the designers had a chance to work, and there is the same thing. you, as a leader, think, imagine, explain and set a task, control/correct/choose options in the process of design work, accept a drawing/project. and further continuation with manufacturing. testing, training and writing instructions for the user, control over the proper operation of the manufactured. Naturally, the higher the qualification, experience, responsibility of the performer, the less the participation / intervention of the head is necessary. the formation or search for such a performer is also one of the tasks of the leader.

    I re-read it three times and still don't understand what it's about? One thing is clear - a manager, and a graduate of a university with a degree in management. So, what do you have to do with management, if .....? What matters is not who you are, but what you are. Judging by the chaotic set of concepts, no.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 23 May 2022 12: 10
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      I re-read it three times and still don't understand what it's about?

      )

      Quote: dub0vitsky
      Judging by the chaotic set of concepts, no.

      ? It's not a concept, it's from practice. As for your rudeness, well, I've seen all sorts, it happens.
  20. Blast Offline Blast
    Blast (Vladimir) 23 May 2022 07: 18
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    If an electromagnetic pulse, then what kind of laser is it ... It is called a little differently - a maser, and it is unlikely with an explosion-based impulse, because most likely the impulse is not just electromagnetic, but high-frequency. This last time began to slip into the media, and it was about the prospect of air-based. The impact burns out all the electronics, but I think that this is not the main thing. Most likely, the main impact is the remote detonation of warheads stuffed with TNT. There are already such machines, but they do it locally, in close proximity, when clearing mines. If you managed to make a maser to detonate warheads at a distance of up to 5 km, then you yourself understand the capabilities of such a complex.