Why the surrender of Azovstal is unlikely to be the "moment of truth"

The beginning of the process of organized capitulation of the remnants of its motley "garrison" that settled in the dungeons of the Mariupol plant "Azovstal", which consisted of military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard, policemen, and, first of all, militants of the Azov National Battalion (recognized as an extremist organization in Russia and banned), predictably became the main media event of recent days. The general interest in what is happening is also fueled by the fact that from each of the parties, both Russian and Ukrainian, there are completely different assessments and formulations regarding this event. Forecasts about the future fate of his "main characters" are completely diametrically opposed.

Perhaps, it would not be worthwhile to overshadow such a long-awaited and joyful moment for all the Forces of Liberation with negativity, however, hushing up some moments that stand out from the overall victorious picture will clearly not benefit the cause. Unfortunately, we have to admit that in this case, some commentators' emotions take precedence over their usual inclination to a realistic assessment of the situation. As a result, forecasts are born, which, unfortunately, are unlikely to come true. I'll try to explain why.

Ukrainian formula: "a good hero is a dead hero"

In order to understand why the surrender of the “Azovites” will not in the least prevent official Kyiv from continuing the insane process of their glorification and will not become a “moral blow” for all other Ukronazis and “warriors” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, one should understand exactly how these individuals interpret the very concept of heroism and its manifestations. Believe me, everything here is more than peculiar. For a better perception of the essence, I can recommend people with a strong psyche to listen to a couple of Ukrainian "patriotic" songs - both from the old, Bandera repertoire, and something from the new one, born "on the topic of the day." The latter are especially nauseating, but what can you do. If you are in regime-controlled territory, they will torture your hearing wherever you are - from a bakery to public transport ...

So, the “heroes” of all works of this kind are, as a rule, “biytsy” with torn off arms and legs, who by no means valiantly bend over the “nenka” and, being at their last gasp, calling on everyone else to do the same. In the understanding of “Ukrainian patriots”, the hero is not at all a valiant winner (because there are simply no such victors in their history), but, pardon the rudeness, he “endured”. “Rolled”, “rotten”, “muzzled”, oppressed, crushed, trampled, but “unconquered”. Somewhere inside - very, very deep. At the same time, it’s not even shameful to whine, whine and complain to such a “hero” - on the contrary, it’s even supposed to. So, in the eyes of their compatriots nailed down by propaganda, the tearful pleas for salvation, with which the “Azovites” addressed everyone and everyone – from the Pope of Rome to Chairman Xi, do not devalue them at all. Take a look at the characters touring Europe in "bloody" underwear, and make sure that for such an audience, the roles of victim and hero are absolutely identical.

In addition, in everything that happens there is another, very nasty nuance. According to Kyiv, the prisoners of the Azovstal dungeons surrendered, as they were promised an indispensable “exchange”. This is exactly what Zelensky, the Deputy Minister of Defense Anna Malyar, who is “incompetent”, and especially the insane Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Irina Vereshchuk, who continues to repeat that Azovstal is not capitulating, but a “humanitarian operation” are stubbornly saying. Was there anything like that? Nobody agreed on anything? “And here is your lie!” – official Kyiv will yell, tearing off its throat and dropping abundant foam from its mouth, accusing Russia of “treachery”, “rejection of previously reached agreements”, “atrocity” and everything else. It has been like this a hundred times since the beginning of the NWO, and it will be like that a thousand more times - exactly until it ends. The fact that one of the “Azovites” will actually be exchanged for one of the Russian prisoners of war does not even want to be assumed. Such a turn will simply negate the entire victory over them as such.

I would like to believe that the proposal of the clever Wasserman and the State Duma will indeed be accepted and make such a possibility unrealistic in principle. However, one should not deceive oneself here either - in Ukraine, “heroes” from the imprisoned “Azov” will be sculpted with tripled, tenfold force. They simply adore the “prisoners of the Moskal dungeons” there - let's remember the same ones, not by the night, be remembered, Savchenko or Sentsova. Everything will be the same here, only with multiplication by a thousand at least. The Russian side will be accused of "torture and bullying", violating the rules for the treatment of prisoners of war, and many more similar things, along the way, dispersing the flywheel of completely frenzied propaganda. The confusion that Zelensky and his entourage are now experiencing will pass very quickly - and then something will pour out of their oral cavities that even take the saints out. Inside the territories controlled by Kyiv, no “comprehension of what happened” or “sobering up” from the militant Russophobic frenzy will occur - a 100% guarantee.

The West won't notice, the West doesn't care

There is even less reason to expect that the surrender of Azovstal will at least to some extent change the attitude of the “collective West” towards what is happening in Ukraine, its pro-Nazi regime or the public hung with swastikas and other similar paraphernalia (and professing corresponding views) , this mode is protective. Excuse me, but did they not know something about this infamous battalion or regiment before? They knew in the most beautiful way - both in the USA and in Europe. However, even accepting for show some declarations in their own parliaments, they continued to fill it with weapons and equipment, send instructors and their own citizens there as "watchers". What will change now?

Will the captive "Azovites" begin to testify about their own atrocities, war crimes and about the horrific orders that they received from Kyiv and not only? So after all, this is all that the Ukronazis, that their puppeteers and curators will immediately declare fake, Kremlin propaganda, and so on. All testimonies will be called knocked out under torture and threats, confessions - dictated by FSB investigators, and evidence (which, quite possibly, will be found in the same mobile phones of prisoners), of course, fabricated from beginning to end. You can not even doubt that everything will be exactly this way, and not otherwise. And in this situation, it doesn’t matter at all whether the Nazi bastards will be tried by a jury from the DPR and LPR or some kind of “international tribunal”. By the way, it is far from certain that at least one of the representatives of the West will want to participate in its work. And if so, then there he will be declared completely illegitimate, as well as all his decisions and conclusions. “Yes, they are bastards. But these are our scoundrels!” - in the present case, this formula will work, and no other.

To deprive the Kyiv regime of the increasingly active and large-scale support of the West, it is not at all that litigation is needed (albeit with the most sensational and shocking revelations). It will not weaken even if natural devils from the underworld with horns, hooves and everything else openly come out on the side of this very regime. Only the military defeat of the Ukronazi forces will help here, so large-scale and convincing that the West understands that it makes no sense to invest money and resources in this adventure. It won't "beat back"... That is why it would be senseless to hold any trials now and even, possibly, to the detriment of the cause. Organizing investigative actions, collecting evidence base, and such that it would be unrealistic to refute it, is a must. But it would be wiser to judge the scoundrels from the basements of Azovstal (and not only them) after the end of the SVO, drawing a line under it and proving to the world the necessity and validity of everything that happened.

With all this, it should be understood that the activity of “international figures” like Erdogan, Guterres and all others like them, seized with an insatiable itch, will very soon move to the plane of “rescue” from the well-deserved imprisonment of all this scum. Remember, again, the stories of Savchenko and Sentsov, or the same sailors - participants in the Kerch provocation. Russia will have to spend time and energy on repulsing these “attacks” as well. Excuse me, but the fact that Moscow will immediately and unambiguously send everyone who wants to take part in the “rescue of heroes” to the only possible address in this situation is somehow very doubtful. It is quite possible that another "negotiation front" will arise, on which some sort of bargaining will be conducted, which will irritate the Russian society to the utmost and will not at all contribute to strengthening the country's position within the NWO.

Without a doubt, by saving the worthless lives of Nazi fighters and allowing them to capitulate, instead of simply being wiped off the face of the earth with powerful bombings, Russia showed not only mercy, but also military nobility of the highest order. That's just not at all worth counting on the fact that it will be appreciated by at least someone and at least somewhere outside its borders. To our great regret, it is worth admitting frankly: by acting chivalrously with those who did not at all deserve such treatment, the Russian side, in addition, found quite a lot of problems for the very near future. Well, this is what distinguishes those who are conducting a special operation to denazify Ukraine today from those against whom it is being carried out.
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  1. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 18 May 2022 10: 40
    It's amazing why nobility is not in fashion now?
  2. wasp Offline wasp
    wasp 18 May 2022 10: 48
    Therefore, this world will perish, because the lie wins up.
  3. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 18 May 2022 11: 26
    In the meantime, "The DPR reported the surrender of 600 AFU soldiers from Azovstal" https://news.mail.ru/politics/51354543/?frommail=1
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  5. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 18 May 2022 12: 28
    Quote: zzdimk
    It's amazing why nobility is not in fashion now?

    Because this has not worked for a long time, just as no international law works. Now only the right of the strong works. From time immemorial, they have wiped their feet on the weak, and now they are trying to make us weak and hang all conceivable and unthinkable sins
  6. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
    Yuriy88 (Yuri) 18 May 2022 13: 23
    I believe that everyone who "prints" here .. all "bloggers, publicists, journalists", lawyers with red diplomas (three times!) First need to plow for 20 years at some factory .. Then the temptation to pour water will be greatly reduced .. From everything that happened in Mariupol, on Azov .. there is only one conclusion .. Here they are finally in our hands - Those whom we will take by the throat and ask for their deeds, for their atrocities .. And we will decide who will remain alive, and who to spend .. And what is there in Ukraine, in the World .. what is the "resonance, result" .. but it doesn't matter.???!!!. We forced the enemy to surrender shamefully, although with a visible "pathos for them" .. But all the pathos will end when they start being questioned .. Although the crests are true to themselves .. and here they cheated, spitting on all their Idea and ideology and Nenko too .. Live in captivity or die in hell .. they chose to live in captivity .. The process has begun and this is the moment of truth just .. If the ideological fanatics have already become liquid ...
    1. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 18 May 2022 14: 05
      Oooh! Well, there is at least one thinking person.
    2. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 01: 27
      I still gave you my like, but this is for the second part of your post.
      But with the first part, I do not agree.
      Posting with the right message. After all, the author is right, what awaits the Russians, if we remember Savchenko and Sentsov. Nobody in the West remembers their names, but in Russia they are remembered very well. And all because of massive Western propaganda. And all this will be repeated with the same Azov people.
      The only thing I would like: Well, let the Western media write what they want, but why should our media, our Internet resources tell, translate and savor what Western journalists and bloggers write on their pages. The Russians do not need to know this. When the West demanded the release of Savchenko, only a very lazy blogger or journalist did not write about it and did not post various photos and videos on this topic. And everyone got tired of it.
      And now, let Westerners write whatever they want, just don't translate their materials into Russian. and don't show us the videos of their bloggers.
      And for the most part, the author is right. I always read his publications with interest. with the opposing opinion of ordinary and mediocre.
    3. ChopChop Offline ChopChop
      ChopChop 19 May 2022 14: 15
      Unfortunately, as soon as the employees of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine acquired the status of a prisoner of war, they immediately became the subject of trade. Our military have done their job and now various politicians, funds, etc. will come out who want to amass political, and in certain cases, financial capital. To paraphrase: "Heroes win, bastards use the result."
  7. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 18 May 2022 14: 22
    Law is law. He is harsh. But he is the Law. For all. Therefore, if there is a criminal, especially a war criminal, and there is the Law, act according to the Law. And leave all the insinuations. Everyone will be judged in the LDNR. And there most likely a slow execution.
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  8. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 18 May 2022 14: 38
    Quote: Seas Boreas
    And there most likely a slow execution.

    Why be like the same Nazis? And in what way are you better than them?
    I am sure that the processes will be. They will take place on the territory of the LNR / DNR, as well as on other territories liberated and joined to Russia. There will be a minimum number of sentences with capital punishment and only for notorious sadists and those who gave criminal orders. Ordinary perpetrators will receive a sentence depending on the severity of the crimes committed.
  9. Bahadur Offline Bahadur
    Bahadur (Stanislas) 18 May 2022 14: 41
    = Alexander, I agree with you in almost everything and am proud of you: judging by the signature after your article, you are / live in Kyiv now, and, in spite of everything, you are not afraid of the Nazis who occupied the Russian Mother Cities and write Pravda. Bravo!
    But you are wrong in hinting that we Russians should now worry about any opinion of these 35 pirate countries of the West and their vassals. We should not give a damn about their opinion / words / threats! (There are more than 200 countries in the world, actually!) They started the war And continue against us, the war has been going on for a thousand years: and we Russians should think about how these fascist 35 countries will react to whether we will execute, judging, the same as they fascists incited by them - no need!
    We need to fight the war to the end. And especially notorious fascists like Zeli Avakov and Turchinsky should be judged in Uzhgorod: "Donbass against ukrofascism." And no representatives / negotiations / consultations before / on / during the trial! Let justice prevail on the ALL Russian Land!!!
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 01: 56
      It is unlikely that Alexander lives in Kyiv. Maybe he lived before, but not now.
      He has too many such publications, for which he would be threatened with life in Kyiv.
      Perhaps his most famous book is "Comrade Stalin .. Personality without a cult"
  10. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 May 2022 15: 12
    Actually, judging by TV, other troops are surrendering, not Azov. And with the Azov people, we'll see.
    1. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 18 May 2022 15: 46
      Sintsov said that they also came out, but so far the representatives of the media have agreed not to cover everything. if wrong, correct me
  11. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 18 May 2022 16: 19
    The West was waiting for Russia to storm Azovstal. So that the Russian army would wash itself with blood and so it would have been. Azov was supposed to become an icon for the heroes. And Russia used a purely Western vile trick, a blockade.
  12. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 18 May 2022 16: 47
    Why the surrender of Azovstal is unlikely to be the "moment of truth"

    - Everything is just very scary and terrible!
    - Many people and the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the Armed Forces of Ukraine are practically no different from the Natsiks) have the impression that you can shoot from everything that can shoot - at cities, at civilians - as much as you like! - Who is now non-stop firing guns (and using MLRS) in the cities and towns of the DPR and DPR? - It's all the same - "ordinary APU" !!! - Oh, yes - they are "forced by the Nazis" - right behind each artilleryman - there is a Natsik with a machine gun and "forces" (these gunners later - so they will "hang noodles on their ears") !!!
    - The fact is that just ideal conditions have been created for the Armed Forces of Ukraine - shoot as much as you want - until the ammunition and grub run out - and then "come to our fire" - we will meet you, feed you, warm you up, treat you and take care of you !!! - And we will listen to all your "tales for life" and sympathize with you !!!
    - Personally, I absolutely do not believe all this "mer_zot_ine" that is now coming out and giving up !!! - Some kind of "game-distraction" just started! - But what about the Nazis, who - just like that - took and released this batch ??? - And why then - in this situation - these Nazis did not stand behind them with machine guns and did not hold back these surrenderers (after all, they constantly write about this) ??? - What a mystery!
    - Now everyone will shed a tear - they will "let off steam" and begin to sympathize with the Nazis, who still remained in Azovstal !!! - And then the Nazis will release another "similar batch"! - And then the Natsiks and mercenaries themselves will slowly dissolve themselves - they will leave in secret "goat paths"! - If most of the Natsiks and mercenaries are not leaving at the moment, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine are surrendering !!!
    - I think - there is some kind of agreement:
    - Like, the Nazis and mercenaries hand over these "vsu-ears" - and they themselves are allowed to leave (well, some of them will fall - but it will be a small part and not leaders)!
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 02: 03
      And maybe you are right. It is quite possible that the leaders, at the time when the Marines and the Armed Forces surrender, are slowly leaving their underground shelters through secret paths.
  13. Moskal 55 Offline Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 18 May 2022 21: 14
    The fact that they surrendered, thereby stopping the diversion of our forces and means for blocking and destroying them, with some losses on our part, is a victory from a military point of view, and anyone, even dill, even dill. And in the information space, this is also a victory. An article that they will try to minimize our victory in the information space. And someone thought that the United States and the European Union would congratulate Putin on the completion of the military operation in Mariupol?
  14. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 18 May 2022 22: 58
    There has always been one law in the world - the law of the taiga, whoever is stronger is right, it has always been so and will always be so, and all this snot about truth and justice is for the weak and endured
  15. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 18 May 2022 23: 29
    How tired of all the propellers with their itching! What kind of court can there be now, if the investigation will go on for years. And the NWO will most likely end by winter, or even earlier, if they start to give up at such a pace! And you can simply ignore the cries of Erdogan and Guterres.
  16. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 19 May 2022 00: 42
    Russia can make a "Nuremberg trial 2.0" out of this if it tries. To do this, it is necessary to turn the trial of the most frostbitten Azov residents into a media product. The series is in the format of the "criminal Russia" type, one episode - one scumbag. In the series, present in detail the crimes, evidence and video footage from the trial (close-up of the face during the descriptions of the crimes). At the end of each episode there will be a verdict.

    The series will be translated into many languages ​​and distributed on the maximum number of platforms. There is no doubt that the interest in the world will be huge. The resonance will be huge. It is necessary to properly package this case, then the world will watch and see what the basics are, what neo-Nazism is in Ukraine, what the Kyiv regime is
    1. cooper Offline cooper
      cooper (Alexander) 19 May 2022 07: 27
      Don't be naive. The West will not give a damn about all these revelations and tribunals. And they will create the picture they need, and they will "make" the information .. No.
  17. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 19 May 2022 02: 51
    There is something else worth paying attention to. This is a changed rhetoric and most importantly !!! the real actions of Russia after February 24, more precisely - in May ... We (both the president and the whole country) stop paying attention to the "opinion" of the West.

    They say "evacuation", we (the deputy plenipotentiary to the UN) - "surrender without conditions."
    Who will listen?
    Answer: They can pretend as they like, but they will listen to Nebenzya and Polyansky.

    One can, of course, suspect that our deputy plenipotentiary is not "in the know." It can be suspected that Aksenov, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov and other officials are slandering the gag.
    But this, as they say: ... "oh, hardly"

    But, in general, the trend of goals is visible, and for some, more informed, it may already be "obvious", and the nuances and details of the current moment will not change the strategy:
    !!! Where Russia stops, there will be no "Ukraine". At all.
    There will be areas. Same as everyone else. No "national" autonomies.
    2. Russia will stop where "negotiations" stop it. More precisely, the outcome of the negotiations. There will be no negotiations - there will be no stops. The train left the station "Istanbul" express!
    3. No victories!, (hear - VICTORIES!), and even more so some failures or, God forbid, local defeats, will not stop this overclocked express train. They won’t turn their heads, the leadership won’t go into a binge, ...
    Russia is in cold-blooded fury!!! The soldiers are calm, the President is not verbose, and everyone, at the same time, rested his horn. Tryndets to Geyropa's dreams.
    4. After "Ukraine", most likely, there will be a continuation. But it will no longer be "Ukraine". And in this "non-Ukraine" it will be like with "Ukraine":
    Ready or not, here I come.
    And if, "not hiding", does not agree with point No. 4, let him start with point No. 1 ... And then in a circle ...
    5. The express has already accelerated to such an extent that any little things, such as seeming "zrad", will not even slow it down. Excite the people, of course. Karvalolchik with validolchik will increase consumption. But only...
  18. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 19 May 2022 07: 24
    This is mistake. Mix with concrete with powerful ammunition without any negotiations there.
  19. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 19 May 2022 09: 14
    The real result of the fight against fascism involves the trial of the Allied Forces and the hanging of the ideologues and the main criminals, following the example of Nuremberg. Articles that this is ineffective and bad Ukrainians will not understand are not real. They will understand everything and understand only strength, and not tearful punishments with apologies.
  20. Lis_Domino Offline Lis_Domino
    Lis_Domino (Sergei) 19 May 2022 10: 36
    I read about Genghis Khan, how he massacred those who surrendered to the root. Maybe that's why he was successful in the conquests?
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 19 May 2022 12: 30
      And the Papuans generally ate their prisoners.
      Will we be as bloodthirsty? Then back to the club and hide.
      The more civilized people are, the more humane they are.
    2. ChopChop Offline ChopChop
      ChopChop 19 May 2022 14: 29
      Genghis Khan slaughtered the prisoners only when there was resistance. Tithes (a tax of 1/10 of what was produced) simply awaited those who surrendered, the best artisans and scientists were taken away, and unconditional submission to the horde. Religion was not touched. Veiled slavery.
  21. VladimirTs Offline VladimirTs
    VladimirTs (Vladimir) 19 May 2022 13: 00
    interesting, Author, would you also consider Wasserman a clever girl if you suffered in captivity in Kiev and were offered to be exchanged for a soldier of Azov? Or would options be considered then? For example, it would be ok for the crippled?
  22. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 19 May 2022 14: 10
    Quote: Lis_Domino
    I read about Genghis Khan, how he massacred those who surrendered to the root. Maybe that's why he was successful in the conquests?

    Are we conquerors? belay
  23. Dmitry X Offline Dmitry X
    Dmitry X (Dmitry X) 19 May 2022 15: 28
    The trial of the Nazis of Azov is needed primarily by the residents of Donbass and Russia. We should not be considered naive, we do not even hope that the official West and the Ukrainian junta will take into account the decisions of the court and the facts that have surfaced. But water wears away the stone. The sprout breaks the asphalt. And God marks the rogue. Everything has its time. The truth will lead the way. This is the guarantee of our Victory.
  24. Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) 20 May 2022 05: 55
    And why is everything happening like this - because, first of all, our top politicians and diplomats are constantly trying to negotiate with "partners" and bargain for something.
    And there will be a drain. This is already evident from the actions of the Russian authorities. Okay, they screwed up at the beginning and created a problem for everyone, so if you get involved in a war, fight and beat the enemy and don’t engage in negotiations. Put all your strength into victory and not into agreements .. Damn it, either you yourself will be hanged and all the sins of the world will be blamed on you
  25. ZnahWest Offline ZnahWest
    ZnahWest (Ingvar b) 20 May 2022 10: 06
    What is the point of reasoning about what will be spewed out in the West???
  26. Trifonov Evgeny Offline Trifonov Evgeny
    Trifonov Evgeny (Trifonov Evgeny) 21 May 2022 09: 21
    When they call us individuals, this is fascism. When we call them special, this is the norm. author, what are you talking about?
    I will say this, they are told about us, perhaps with reference to this article, what kind of ghouls we are. We are told what their leaders say about us. In fact, 2 fraternal peoples are being pitted. And someone in the west will rub his hands.
    the author after you decide that the goals of the NWO have been achieved, do you think people will soon forget and forgive the loss of close relatives in this war? The worst thing is that every day brings new victims. How many generations will change before these wounds heal?
    Yes, even before the war, in Ukraine they said that we would never be brothers. Now I think in Russia every day there are more people who begin to think the same way. I think the real purpose of the war is precisely this, so that every nation thinks of its neighbors as individuals.
    Divide and conquer, that's what our enemies are guided by. And they are not in Ukraine, we are fighting not there, not with those. We follow our real enemies.
  27. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 22 May 2022 10: 36
    There is the DPR, where the highest measure is quite effective - the death penalty. And now the DPR tribunal issues a verdict - hang up the cow. The West naturally howls and beats in epilepsy. And Russia smiles maliciously and offers to resolve the issue directly with the DPR. It will be level XNUMX trolling - to see the impotent frenzy of all these ursul-derlein gynecologists, barrels and others. The expulsion of faeces from the West will be volcanic. And when the first ka-Natsiks are really up in the DPR, oh, it will be enchanting flatulence of the West.