Why Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov cannot be annexed to Russia without the rest of Novorossia


Over the past few days, the eyes of Russians and Ukrainians have been riveted to the South-East of the former Square, where it will be decided which way this country will go further. The future of Ukraine itself, Russia, our Union State with Belarus, as well as the entire post-Soviet space depends on what decisions the Kremlin will make regarding the fate of the Kherson and southern Zaporozhye regions, the DPR and the LPR.


Return to home harbor


Most interesting news comes from Kherson, where they directly declared their readiness to become part of the Russian Federation. Together with the Kherson region, the south of the Zaporozhye region can also return to its native harbor. The administrative capital of the former Ukrainian region of Zaporizhzhia, unfortunately, is still under the occupation of the Nazi regime. Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the former Kherson region, said that upon completion of the preparatory procedures and processes, she would ask President Putin to join Russia.

Presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov responded to this appeal very favorably:

Of course, to be or not to be such an appeal, the inhabitants of the Kherson region must decide. And the inhabitants of the Kherson region should also determine their fate. And, of course, this is a question that should be clearly and carefully verified and evaluated by lawyers and legal experts. Because, of course, such fateful decisions must have an absolutely clear legal background, justification, be absolutely legitimate, as was the case with Crimea.

The head of the Federation Council, Valentina Matvienko, also spoke approvingly about the initiative of the new authorities of the Kherson region:

Such a decision can only be made by the residents of the Kherson region. What decision they will make when is their right. What will be the power, what will be the structure of power, how they see their future, they will have to determine for themselves, no one forces, no one puts pressure on them ... It will be their will, their decision. What will it be, we will agree with it.

In general, there is a clear consensus at the very top of the Russian government that the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov should be taken for itself. There is nothing to be surprised here, because for all the years that have passed since the reunification of Crimea and Sevastopol with the Russian Federation, the problem of water supply to the peninsula has not been completely resolved. The transition of the Kherson and at least the south of the Zaporozhye regions, together with the DPR and LPR, into the Russian Federation will finally close many issues. True, at the same time new ones will arise, which we will discuss in detail later.

I would like to note that Dmitry Peskov, in his characteristic manner, cast a cloud over how exactly the formalization of the legitimate transition of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov to the Russian Federation should be carried out:

I said what I wanted to say. I didn't say anything about the referendum.

In Crimea and Sevastopol, nationwide referendums were held, during which the vast majority of local residents voted for joining the Russian Federation. Independence referendums were also held in the DPR and LPR, however, the issue of joining Russia was not brought up for discussion in 2014. How to legalize the process of secession of the Sea of ​​Azov from Ukraine and subsequent entry into our country?

In fact, besides referendums, there are other forms of direct expression of the will of citizens, for example, a nationwide poll or a nationwide discussion. Their results may well form the basis for the decision of the regional authorities of the Kherson and southern Zaporozhye regions to declare sovereignty and conclude an agreement with Moscow on accession on the rights of new subjects of the Federation. There would be a desire, but there are options.

On the old rake?


The prospect of the return of the Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov to their native harbor cannot but cause a feeling of joy among normal Russians. But what will happen to the rest of Ukraine? How about Nikolaev and Odessa, Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Kyiv? What will be Poltava and Sumy, Chernigov and Kirovograd? Even in Western Ukraine, not all Bandera, to be honest. What will happen to them if the Kremlin annexes only the DPR with the LPR, the Kherson region and the south of the Zaporozhye region to Russia?

And this is what will happen. The rest of Ukraine, as well as Novorossiya, abandoned under the rule of the Kyiv regime without Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov, is becoming even more radicalized and nazified. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard have already proved that they have learned how to fight. Now the West will pump them up with modern weapons and, after a minimal pause for regrouping, will begin the second round of the war for the future of Ukraine. But this time, Kyiv and its curators will have the initiative. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will hit missiles and aircraft not only at the facilities of the Russian Ministry of Defense, but also at our cities, do not even hesitate.

Conclusion: the return of only the DPR, LPR and the Azov region is a repetition of the mistakes of 2014, when Crimea was taken away, leaving the rest of Ukraine under the rule of the Nazis. We have already paid thousands of lives for this mistake, but if we jump on the same rake in 2022, the price will increase many times over. The criminal Kyiv regime should not be left a single piece of land where it could dig in and continue to poison everything around it.

What to do?


There are many projects for the possible reorganization or division of Ukraine, some of which we discussed earlier. The fundamental question that needs to be answered is whether Ukrainian statehood should be preserved at all?
The simplest solution now seems to be to annex all of Ukraine, perhaps with the exception of Western Ukraine, to Russia and calmly “digest” it, gradually denazifying it. However, this will entail many serious problems.

Then the UN member country will actually disappear from the map, and the collective West will never recognize such an annexation for anything. Ukraine itself within the Russian Federation will turn into an analogue of Poland for the Russian Empire, eternally restless, trying to gain independence at the first opportunity. According to the author of the lines, the following would be the optimal solution to this most serious problem.

The entire South-East, historical Novorossia, must be liberated as soon as possible and, together with the LDNR and the Sea of ​​Azov, annexed to Russia as a new Novorossiysk federal district. Of all Ukraine, this region is the most pro-Russian, and our country will be able to “digest” it with the least difficulty.

Also, by military means, the rest of Ukraine, Central and, if Poland and its allies do not enter, Western, must be liberated from the power of the Nazis. It is Central Ukraine, the historical Little Russia, that should become the legal successor of the current one, retaining statehood, membership in the UN and recognizing Crimea and Novorossia officially as part of Russia. The most expedient seems to be a change in its form of government from unitary to federal. To some, this decision may seem controversial, but the author of the lines would suggest that the Kharkiv region be included in this federation.

What for? Then, to move the capital from restless Kyiv to the Russian city of Kharkov, closer to our border. Recall that Kharkov in the period from 1920 to 1933 was already the capital of the Ukrainian SSR. Kyiv itself can remain just a million-plus city, an important financial and industrial center of the new country. This new federal state should be demilitarized as much as possible, directing all its resources to reconstruction and socialeconomic development. No European integration, the Little Russian Federation will have to become part of the Eurasian Economic Union, as well as the Union State of Russia and Belarus. The armed forces of the MF should be purely symbolic, its security will be provided by the combined Russian-Belarusian contingents under the auspices of the SG and the CSTO.

Two languages, Russian and Ukrainian, should receive the status of state, the educational system should be translated into Russian standards. Citizens of all three fraternal Slavic countries, Russia, Belarus and Little Russia, should be able to obtain passports of a single Union State. It will be very correct if the Red Banner of Victory becomes its symbol, under which our guys are now fighting for the future of Ukraine on their own initiative.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 May 2022 11: 59
    -2
    So like an official from EDRA spoke more directly.
    Regions - in Russia. No referendum. EDRO and period.
    And the local vice-deputy. confirmed.

    So that politicians can "honestly say" what they want, and everything goes to annexation.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 May 2022 13: 40
      +8
      What an annexation, learn about history, these are all primordially Russian lands.
  2. faiver Offline faiver
    faiver (Andrei) 13 May 2022 12: 12
    +6
    You can’t take it in pieces, you need to take everything, the former regime has not an inch of land ....
    1. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
      Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) 13 May 2022 15: 25
      -7
      faiver (Andrey), you, apparently, want the remnants of Bandera with machine guns to run around the Moscow region? This will be an inevitable consequence of the full accession of Ukraine. And Kharkov is not a Russian city. I've been there. Poles can envy the arrogance and narcissism of Kharkiv residents.
  3. zzdimk Online zzdimk
    zzdimk 13 May 2022 12: 19
    +3
    Quote: faiver
    You can’t take it in pieces, you need to take everything, the former regime has not an inch of land ....

    Why not give them land? Although, indeed, you can get by with a place in the columbarium.
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 13 May 2022 12: 24
      +1
      you are right about columbarium...
  4. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 13 May 2022 12: 31
    +1
    Why Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov cannot be annexed to Russia without the rest of Novorossia

    - Personally, I am not a supporter of "sharing the skin of a predatory beast"; who vomits and thrashes and whose fangs drip the blood of the victims and his poisonous shuna !!!
    - But, if the conversation on this topic has come up again; but still - I can speak about it! - Namely :
    - As an independent state - Ukraine completely loses its status;
    - A new region appears with the main regional city of Kyiv as part of Russia;
    - There are also - about ten new regions with regional regional centers that are part of Russia;
    - The newly minted republics of the LPR and the DPR - also lose their status and become part of Russia on the rights of new regions that are part of Russia.
    - And no new regional territorial formations (with autonomous regions included in them) on the territory of the current nationalist Ukraine (the territory of which should be completely part of Russia) - you can’t create more - in no case !!! - No regional territorial formations !!!
    - But, for this you must first defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and win a complete victory !!!
  5. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 13 May 2022 13: 06
    +6
    Ukraine in no case and in any form (federation, confederation) as a subject should not be left, otherwise everything will repeat itself, only a little later. Russian people live on the outskirts, there are no Ukrainians there
  6. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 13 May 2022 13: 24
    +2
    The liberation of the DPR-LPR and the referendum on the separation from Ukraine of the territories occupied by the Russian troops not only do not solve the problem of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, the promotion and deployment of NATO military bases on its territory, but will greatly contribute to the growth of Russophobia and Ukraine's entry into NATO-EU under an accelerated procedure.
    Mr. Peskov cannot say anything definite because he is not privy to the Kremlin's plans. It is quite possible that the liberated territories will be the subject of bargaining at the negotiations of Mr. Medinsky, the very fact of which gives reason to assume that the Russian Federation wants to complete the special military operation as soon as possible due to the advancement of NATO to the east at the expense of Sweden and Finland and the need to attract additional resources to stop the new threat, and in -Secondly, from whom will the West recover its billions of dollars in support of Ukraine if it loses its statehood?
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 May 2022 15: 33
      +1
      The billions of dollars spent by the West are his personal problems, which I personally up to one place.
  7. Rustem Offline Rustem
    Rustem (Rustem) 13 May 2022 13: 25
    +3
    If we adhere to the thesis of the primacy of the economy over politics, then it would be expedient for the Russian Federation to cut off Ukraine from sea communications. Then its export of agricultural products will become dependent on the Russian Federation. Having economically bled Kyiv and Western Ukraine, it will be easier later to take them with the forces of the LDNR and other liberated territories at the head of the LDNR. They will have 100% moral right. This backlog will bring down the moral support for the annexation of Western Ukraine by Poland. This will be a proxy war between the armed forces of the LDNR and Western Ukraine, pumped up by the West. But without a profitable economy in this area, their position will be precarious even with the armed help of the West. It is expedient to transfer the management of ports to the Russian Federation prior to the implementation of the NWO on the entire territory of Ukraine.
  8. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 13 May 2022 13: 41
    +4
    I think that if you leave at least a small piece of Ukraine, then in the future this piece will be another springboard with NATO against Russia. The fact that there will be one less vote in the UN than we would like is not very important, friends in the world need to be nurtured and added in various ways and methods. But to assimilate Ukraine into Russia is also not very good, because the West and the states will constantly whine to get back the money invested in the war. This is not so scary, because after the victory of Russia, the entire west and the overseas puddle can be sent further. But the restoration of destruction is a costly business. But there is one BUT - you need to decide what is more important for Russia - the increment of new territories and the return of its areas to pre-revolutionary times, or this issue is not considered at all. If Ukraine becomes part of Russia, then it will be possible to restore it slowly with the help of captured Ukronazis, let them work for the good of our country. In general, there are many questions, but we have adequate leaders who will be able to calculate everything and do what is best for Russia!
  9. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 13 May 2022 13: 43
    -2
    The author is building projects for reformatting Ukraine in the interests of the Russian Federation, ignoring the opinion of the Ukrainians themselves!
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 13 May 2022 14: 12
      +5
      at the moment, their opinion is worth nothing. Don't like the Russian world? Suitcase, train station, Warsaw. Europe is big, let them jump there ...
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 13 May 2022 14: 21
        -2
        Suitcase, train station, LDNR, machine gun, attack! ;-(
        1. faiver Offline faiver
          faiver (Andrei) 13 May 2022 14: 29
          +1
          I would write off a dozen years and go ....
  10. likas Offline likas
    likas (likas tyrlo) 13 May 2022 14: 13
    0
    everything must be decided as it arrives, unless of course you are in the crucible of power ....
  11. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 13 May 2022 17: 51
    +1
    Hit the entire infrastructure in order to stall the supply of weapons, hit the decision-making points, oil depots. Even just to remove the president's Jew is almost the only goal of the operation. The Jews do not have fraternal and spiritual closeness to the Ukrainian people, and they will drive the Ukrainians to the slaughter like cattle to the last. For them, this is a project. And if you remove the Jew, then the Ukrainians will come to their senses and put their own, and his Slavic blood will tell you who is the enemy and who is the brother.
    1. Anatol21 Offline Anatol21
      Anatol21 (Anatol21) 14 May 2022 16: 33
      +4
      Hitting the entire infrastructure would be nice, but not with the current Foreign Ministry and gas and oil magnates, and Putin seems to have a thin gut.
  12. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 13 May 2022 23: 12
    +1
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. No need to ask anyone for permission, do everything unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
  13. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 14 May 2022 05: 49
    +2
    Kharkov should be part of Russia. Like the whole of Ukraine.
    1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 14 May 2022 14: 13
      0
      Kharkov should be part of Russia. Like the whole of Ukraine.

      Yes, no question. Forward.. As a separate republic. Who is against. You can even get married with the Sumy Republic.
  14. Yatva Offline Yatva
    Yatva (I) 14 May 2022 08: 25
    -1
    Donbas cannot be annexed without all of Ukraine!!!...We need to think bigger!!!... bully
    1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 14 May 2022 14: 01
      0
      Oh, of course you forgot to ask laughing
      1. Yatva Offline Yatva
        Yatva (I) 15 May 2022 07: 08
        -1
        Quote: Observer2014
        Oh, of course you forgot to ask laughing

        Campaign your ancestors overstrained, digging the Black Sea. So do not flutter the descendant of the ancient Anunnaki !!! - everything is going according to plan - we will talk with your eternal masters on the Polish-Hungarian border !!! lol
  15. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 14 May 2022 10: 26
    +1
    Why can't Russia join Russia? What are the boundaries anyway? Ukraine is a foreign project and has completely outlived itself.
  16. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 May 2022 13: 54
    +2
    I don’t care about anyone’s opinion. Especially why you can’t annex Donbass to Russia without someone else. And all sorts of Sumy and Kharkiv residents first deserve to be in Russia with blood. And then fight such articles. Don’t repair tanks for the ATO. I was waiting for articles like this bully Been waiting for years. yes
  17. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 May 2022 14: 09
    +2
    Not only that. All the republics, with all due respect to the Donetsk and, of course, the Lugansk republics. Only separately. No more crowd. .ALL 1000%
  18. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 14 May 2022 17: 36
    +2
    Why Donbass and the Sea of ​​Azov cannot be annexed to Russia without the rest of Novorossia

    Or maybe, for a start, successfully complete the SVO as soon as possible, deal with its consequences and other excessively accumulated ones, incl. internal problems?
  19. Lev Rudey Offline Lev Rudey
    Lev Rudey (Lev Rudey) 15 May 2022 20: 45
    -1
    No need to think here. Not one, even the largest bear, will eat a wild boar in one sitting. BUT! There should be NO DURCAINS! Donbass, Tavria, Novorossiya, Sumy region, Chernihiv region, Slobozhanshchina are being gradually integrated into Russia. Each region has its own deadline. Kyiv is a separate unit. Why? in 1991, the Kiyans voted AGAINST the USSR (if anyone does not remember). Volyn - to give Belarus - because the same Bolsheviks from the Parasyukeviches created Parasyuks. GALICIA - IN NO EVENT ANY TRANSFER TO POLAND! Otherwise, we will get a second Kosovo on our borders. Only many times larger and more dangerous. Therefore, GALICIA is a special unit under the FULL military-political protectorate of RUSSIA! With the procurator endowed with emergency powers.
  20. Storm_2022 Offline Storm_2022
    Storm_2022 (Storm _2022) 16 May 2022 01: 08
    0
    Also, by military means, the rest of Ukraine, Central and, if Poland and its allies do not enter, Western, must be liberated from the power of the Nazis.

    Russia is not forcing the issue of joining the Kherson region and the DPR-LPR, most likely in order not to create a precedent again and not give Poland and Romania a reason to send troops to Western Ukraine and also hold referendums on accession in the occupied territories even before the arrival of our troops.
  21. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 19 May 2022 17: 57
    0
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    The liberation of the DPR-LPR and the referendum on the separation from Ukraine of the territories occupied by the Russian troops not only do not solve the problem of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, the promotion and deployment of NATO military bases on its territory, but will greatly contribute to the growth of Russophobia and Ukraine's entry into NATO-EU under an accelerated procedure.
    Mr. Peskov cannot say anything definite because he is not privy to the Kremlin's plans. It is quite possible that the liberated territories will be the subject of bargaining at the negotiations of Mr. Medinsky, the very fact of which gives reason to assume that the Russian Federation wants to complete the special military operation as soon as possible due to the advancement of NATO to the east at the expense of Sweden and Finland and the need to attract additional resources to stop the new threat, and in -Secondly, from whom will the West recover its billions of dollars in support of Ukraine if it loses its statehood?

    Baby talk. No NATO will annex a warring country. Peskov does not say anything about how to get the votes of the inhabitants of the regions of Ukraine on the issue of joining Russia. And he does it right. Say he is quite an official, and this will become the rule. What for? It would be just great through referendums, as in Crimea, but ..... If they decide THERE in a different way, through voting or polls, then why put up obstacles? The annexed ones are Russia, and the issue is closed on them, the rest is Novorossiya, or Little Russia. The name will be chosen, elections will be held, a constitution will be written, and so on ..... Russia's bases will remain there. They will not have access to the seas. So more reliable. Even if friends are forever. Lvov and Vinnitsa, if it depended on me, I would get rid of them. Give signs to the Poles, let them take them. But, subject to the non-deployment of NATO bases and weapons there. In return, get a corridor to the Kaliningrad region. And let them carry out restitution there, they cut Bandera. For all their crimes during the war. It is important to show initiative in the transfer. They may well do it on their own, you need to get ahead of them, then you can demand your own. If they enter, do not fight with them, we may not have the resources for this. For semi-empty areas, without resources, industry and almost 100% hostile. Those who will be squeezed out from the rest of the territory will run there. Ah, that's too much.