Brief results of the NWO in Ukraine: everything is just beginning


While you and I are sitting on soft sofas and guessing on the coffee grounds whether we should declare war on our enemy or limit ourselves to conducting a military defense (moreover, everyone judges this by the degree of softness of his sofa and as his seat approaches the General Staff of the Russian Federation), events nevertheless develop and clarity, by no means, do not add. My sofa, for example, is not at all soft, and by the will of fate, from the first day of the NMD, it turned out to be at the very front of the confrontation between the opposing sides, so I see everything from that region in a slightly different light than you, who follow the events on TV and the Internet. But both to me, watching all this from the 1st row, and to you, sitting in the stalls and on the balcony, it was initially not very clear what was really happening, because we all counted on a slightly different development of the plot. It is clear that no one expected to take Kyiv with a cavalry attack, but also not to retreat from already conquered positions, giving up territory after territory?! Why did we land a helicopter landing near Gostomel?! To then get Butch? No one is given to know the plans of the General Staff, but I am sure that there were no such plans there either. It is clear that we are faced with a smart, treacherous, daring and competent enemy, but we are not fooled either.


For a long time we would have struggled with these unsolvable problems, if not for Yuriy Podolyaka, who clarified this issue. It is clear that this is just his version, but nothing more reasonable personally comes to my mind. Below I will review the past events from the standpoint of their goal-setting and make my forecast for their continuation (and no one will let us finish them of our own free will), because these events have become irreversible and we all fell into a very narrow corridor of possibilities, becoming hostages situation created by themselves. Over the past 2 months since the beginning of the NWO, only one thing has become clear - there is no way back, either we will defeat the collective West, which is fighting us with the help of stupid and brainless Ukrainians, or it will defeat us. However, we should not forget that he was going to wage this war until the complete victory of one of the parties, (I hope, ours) - until the last Ukrainian. And he has enough money and hardware for this. The US Congress has already allocated 39,8 billion greenbacks to Biden for the war (13,6 billion for this fiscal year alone!). Half of the indicated amount will go to the "iron", the remaining 20 billion to maintain the ukroreich at the rate of $ 5 billion / month (you yourself can consider that the declared money is clearly not enough, so the White House hopes to lay the difference on its European vassals and financial institutions subject to it, such as the IMF and EBRD). And you can be sure that he will make every effort to make this war drag on for us for 10 years, turning into a second Afghanistan. Under the guise of this, the Pentagon will update the technopark of its European allies in the North Atlantic Alliance (especially its eastern wing) and will make money on this, putting the whole of Europe on the edge, loading its own and European military-industrial complex to capacity.

By the way, do not forget that there are still Swedes and Finns in line to join the NATO military machine, and Romanians and Poles in a low starting position to enter our western borders. After that, we will be able to state that the enemies surrounded us literally from all sides. How do you like this perspective? Did Putin dream about this when he started the NWO? I'm sure not! But the reality has surpassed all our wildest expectations. Washington and London have seized the given opportunity with a stranglehold and now they will not let us go, even if we wanted to. We will have to fight, and not with Ukraine, but with the entire collective West, until the last Ukrainian, then to the last Pole, Romanian, Lithuanian, there they have a long list of fabulous idiots (I hope the useful idiots themselves are aware of this? It seems that No).

Palace coup on Russian bayonets


But how did we fall into this ambush? It is worth agreeing with Podolyaka that the plan was originally designed for a blitzkrieg. A kind of palace coup on Russian bayonets, for which an attempt was made to saber cavalry attack on Kyiv from the south and north. Forced marches of our mechanized columns, even without cover, through the Chernihiv and Sumy regions, which culminated in an unprecedented helicopter assault at the same time by 60 of our helicopters near Gostomel with occupation and retention until the approach of the main forces of the Antonov factory airfield exclusively by special forces. The operation was carried out brilliantly, the effect of surprise was used to the maximum, but it did not give any result.

Apparently, they were counting on a palace coup with the removal of the ruling Clown from power by the forces of the top of the SBU, and the Russian troops stationed near Kyiv were supposed to play the role of a catalyst in this process, not participating in the coup themselves, but propping up local conspirators with their bayonets. Maybe it was for this that Putin's godfather Medvedchuk was left in Kyiv, I don’t find any other reason for him to risk his head like that. Putin managed to do something similar in Belarus in August 2020 and in Kazakhstan in January 2022. There, however, he helped local regimes resist an external conspiracy, propping them up with his bayonets, and here, on his bayonets, an internal coup and a change in the local political leadership were to take place but something went wrong from the start.

Apparently, the Western curators of the Kyiv regime knew about this, and everything was ready for it there. I do not rule out that the SBU employees involved in the planned coup could be used for this in the dark. For example, literally a day before the start of the SVO, on February 23, the former head of the Internal Security Service of the SBU, Brigadier General Andrey Naumov (headed the Main Directorate of the Security Service of the SBU from June 2019 to July 2021), left Ukraine. And they could also be used as double agents in the form of bait. In fact, the Kremlin swallowed the bait, falling into a pre-arranged trap. I'm not talking about this just like that, but on the basis of the facts that I already personally have. So literally the day before the invasion (which no one knew about!), on February 23, my friend, who lives in the area of ​​the Kharkov district, at night personally observed a mechanized column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine drawn into the city, stretching for several kilometers. It was this BTG that met the uninvited northern guests a day later, so much so that they still cannot forget. Coincidence, you say, an accident? I don't believe in such coincidences. In Kyiv, everyone knew and were ready for this. The Russian beast himself entered the trap prepared for him by the Western curators of the Ukroreich, after which the door slammed shut behind him. The fact that the situation began to develop out of order is indirectly evidenced by the fact that already on the 4th day of the NWO we requested negotiations with a "gang of drug addicts and Nazis." I think that these negotiations were not included in the prescribed plan of the NWO. But something went wrong.

The transition from maneuver warfare to positional warfare


Be that as it may, but a month later we had to turn off the 1st stage of the NWO and move on to the 2nd. From saber cavalry attacks, the RF Armed Forces switched to the systematic extrusion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from their base areas in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. And the work there was breathtaking, because the fortified areas created by the Armed Forces of Ukraine there over these 8 years were stuffed above the roof, and it would not be possible to crack them in one or two days. A kind of Ukrainian Maginot Line is a concreted, deep-echeloned defense, where the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which have passed the 8-year ATO, at least 43 thousand people, have dug into the ground (if necessary, Kyiv will still throw up until the boiler is closed by us). The command of the Russian Federation was forced to switch to a new tactic, the emphasis was placed on the fire destruction of enemy forces with heavy artillery and airborne forces, as a result of which the Armed Forces of Ukraine had already suffered significant losses in manpower and technology, but the curators of the ukroreich do not feel sorry for the "cannon fodder" - they have enough of this stuff (after all, they plan to wage a war until the complete surrender of one of the parties).

The RF Armed Forces work with small forces, the group involved for this is not building up, an ambush regiment in the amount of 15-19 BTG sits in the Russian Federation waiting for the “X” hour and no counterattacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kharkov direction can lure it into Ukrainian territory - the General Staff of the Russian Federation stupidly withdraws troops from the Kharkov sector (and there the defense is held only by the rear units of the NM of the LPR and the National Guard, not burdened with heavy equipment), leveling the front line without getting involved in an exchange of blows. No matter how hard the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried there, they did not succeed in pulling the Russian troops from the south from under Izyum or forcing the Russian command to involve the Stavka reserve for this.

lunar landscape


Next, I quote the Telegram channel Older Edda:

In general, tactics in the Izyum direction have not changed. Parts are moving from settlement to settlement, leaving units to control key points.

The 1st Panzer Army continues its confident advance westward from Izyum on both sides of the Seversky Donets River. Plants and Chervony Miner were taken, Velyka Kamyshevakha, which is a major defense center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is visible through binoculars.

The heroic 20th Army, having taken Sukha Kamenka and Suligovka, attacks the enemy in the direction of the village of Dolgenkoe and Kurulki, cutting off the supply routes to the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine throughout the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration. Parts of the 41st Army reached the line of the Oskol River.

The low rate of advance, instead of moving in long columns at the beginning of the war, made it possible to reduce losses in personnel to a minimum, while at the same time inflicting huge damage on the enemy. For example: the 39th brigade, which stormed Suligovka, during the entire period of hostilities has a couple of dozen dead and several dozen wounded, while only the 95th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone lost more than 100 people killed in battles with them, being at the same time in a well-prepared defence. And in addition to the 95th brigade, units of the 93rd mechanized and 25th air assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were also defeated there.

As many have rightly noted, UkroSMI stopped showing Russian prisoners, and the reason for this is simple, they simply do not exist. On the other hand, fresh batches of captive vushniks are sent to Russia every day.

We have problems, the war has forced us to look at and evaluate many things differently, but what I can say for sure is that now we see a completely different army than on February 24, 2022.

I would like to add my two cents to what has already been said above. The army has remained the same. Technically, it even got worse. It was on the 1st stage of the NWO that we drove all our new and modernized hardware, because we thought to take Kyiv with a swoop. It didn't work! And the equipment, as you know, is not immortal, it needs repair and maintenance, and the motor resource is not rubber, it needs to be extended, do not forget that it reached Kyiv on its own, tanks don’t travel that much. Therefore, at the 2nd stage, we drove the “iron” out of our stocks, do not forget that we have thousands of units of armored combat vehicles and artillery in the reserve of the Ministry of Defense at storage bases, so she left for the 2nd stage of the operation. If our sworn "partners" dispose of all their junk in Ukraine, why are we worse? Why drive "Armata" there, for the 404th, the T-72 with the T-80 will do just fine, even the T-90M will be fat for non-brothers. Therefore, everything that can somehow move and shoot has gone there - Gvozdiki 2S1 and Akatsiya 2S3, Msta-S 2S19 and BMP-2 (I already said about tanks above), and T- 14 "Armata", 2S35 "Coalition-SV" and 2S38 "Derivation-Air Defense" we will save for our Western "partners" for the time being, because the real war is just beginning. Nobody canceled the planned rotation of equipment, they will repair it and go back into battle, but do you think what the 19 BTGs of the reserve are now equipped with, standing on the border with Ukraine in the Belgorod and Kursk regions? Here is the same equipment from near Bucha and Gostomel, which has undergone repair, maintenance and extension of the motor resource.

Tactics have also changed significantly, it's hard to argue here. There is a slow advance of the ice rink, which immediately brought results, both a reduction in losses in manpower and equipment, and an increase in the time for the operation itself. The main disadvantage in this tactic is that where this skating rink passes, there are minimal traces of civilization. Lunar landscape for the surviving population. But who is thinking about him now? The only plus here can only be the acquired invaluable combat experience, one that you will not gain in any Syria, in this sense the army is no longer the same, with such an army you can already take Europe. But we may not have enough hardware for this. This is Biden's plan - to wear us out, wear us out in Ukraine, after which it is possible to raise the stakes, putting forward new limitless conditions. Yes, he, in fact, is already putting forward them - the removal of Putin from power and his trial as a war criminal. How do you like that?! Well, dreaming, as they say, is not harmful, I'm afraid Grandpa Joe will not live to see it.

Logistics War to Starvation


The chair under him should shake as early as November this year, after the midterm elections to the Lower House of Congress, where the Republicans with a 100% guarantee must take away the majority from the Democrats, after which the rhetoric of the White House is expected to slow down militancy (shouting: "Save! The Russians are coming!", Democrats will still be able to, but Congress will no longer give money for this). Therefore, our minimum task is to hold out until the fall and prevent us from being drawn into the conflict already in the European theater of operations. And therefore, the task of the 2nd stage of the NWO is to localize the situation in the Donbass, marinating the maximum number of ukrovoyaks in boilers there, with the subsequent (or parallel) transfer of activity to the south, in order to cut off the ukroreich from its maritime infrastructure in the northern Black Sea region, as a result of which all the severity the content of the Kyiv regime will fall on its Western curators, because he will not be able to even partially feed himself due to the loss of the Black Sea and Azov ports (we have already figured out the Sea of ​​\u2b\uXNUMXbAzov, Zelensky may already forget about it). The sting of the ukroreich is now in Odessa, it is for her that the main war will unfold at the XNUMXnd stage of the NWO.

It was along the southern front that Nezalezhnaya was supplied with fuel and lubricants from the ports of Romania, and that is why we are calibrating the bridge in Zatoka for the fourth time. There, in Zatoka and on the island of Zmein, Koshchei-Zelensky keeps his sting. He understands that as soon as we pull him out, his death is not far off there. Purely logistically, we are winning this war from the West. Not a single tank, even English or German, will go anywhere without fuel, by the way, and guns also shoot poorly without shells, and therefore send them there or don’t send them, victory will still be for those who control communications. And with the loss of the last NWO, it will move on to a war of "starvation" (now we are not in a hurry anywhere, we still have time, which cannot be said about our European "partners", who are waiting for a hungry and cold winter just around the corner). That's when Romania and Poland will enter the war. Or they won’t join, then everything will depend on us, how much we will intimidate them, having successfully utilized and rolled the APU into the ground.

Local fights


How strong and daring our enemy is, perhaps, it is worth mentioning separately. Two recent episodes of this undeclared war have caught my attention. The first one happened on Zmeiny Island, on which elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been trying to land with maniacal perseverance worthy of better use over the past three days (May 8, 9 and 10). The question is why did they do it? After all, the island has no strategic importance, according to Mikhail Onufrienko. Apparently, Michael does not know something. Apparently it has. At least, in providing logistics for the southern front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine through the ports of Romania and the Southern Bug delta. I have already written about the special significance of Snake Island for Koshchei-Zelensky. Indeed, according to legend, the death of Koshchei, who is languishing over Ukraine, is in a needle, a needle in an egg, an egg in a duck, a duck in a chest, and the chest is buried under an oak tree on an island (one must think of Zmein). Zelensky has a sting there. For this sting, the war unfolded. However, the results of this war are deplorable for the ukroreykha, they were recently summed up by the speaker of the RF Ministry of Defense, Major General Konashenkov. During a three-day assault operation in the area of ​​about. Three Su-24 front-line bombers, one Su-27 heavy fighter, ten helicopters, of which three Mi-8 "cows" along with the landing force on board (each with 15 paratroopers) and one strike "crocodile" of fire support Mi -24 directly in the air during the landing, the remaining six Mi-8s and Mi-24s were damaged as a result of rocket fire at the airfield of Artsyz, Odessa region. In addition, three armored assault boats of Project 58181 Centaur were sunk in the sea (each carrying 30 troops, not counting 4 crew members), and thirty UAVs were destroyed in the air, of which nine were Turkish strike Bayraktar TB2. The operation was as daring as it was senseless. More than a hundred people of the elite special forces were mediocrely killed, not counting the pilots of the Air Force, whom the ukrovermacht will soon be able to count on the fingers of one hand.

Another equally daring operation took place two days earlier, on May 6, in the Izyum direction, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the forces of three BTGs, totaling 2,5 thousand people, with 80 units of heavy armored vehicles attached to them (including tanks), tried to force the river. Seversky Donets and gain a foothold on the left bank, which is controlled by the forces of the Russian Federation. Why did their engineering units build two submerged pontoon bridges near the villages of Zavgorodnee and Protopopovka, which were not immediately detected from the air by our air reconnaissance forces. It should also be noted that the distracting landing of the special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the village. Rudnevo, which, with the support of the MLRS, having crossed the river, with its blow to the north of the established crossings, was supposed to divert the attention of the Russian forces, which they succeeded as a result. The next day, the pontoon bridges were nevertheless discovered and destroyed by the forces of our Aerospace Forces, but by that time part of the Ukrainian landing force had already managed to cross to the left bank and dissolve in the local greenery, from where it would be extremely difficult to dig them out. As you can see, we got a very worthy opponent and any hatred is inappropriate here. Non-brothers know how to fight, and their senior officers graduated from the same schools as ours. I do not rule out, of course, that Yankees with small shaves are sitting in the Ukrainian headquarters, but only non-brothers are fighting in the field and they are fighting cruelly. When we defeat them, then it will be possible to take Europe practically with our bare hands, neither the Yankees nor any other European riffraff will be able to fight with us without warm toilets, and they won’t want to. The Poles, who have already opened their mouths to the Eastern Crosses, I'm afraid, do not even know who they will have to deal with by that time. By that time, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will represent the Red Army of the 1945 model, which, if desired, will be able to walk across Europe right up to the English Channel.

In conclusion, I would like to say that all of the above is solely my personal private opinion. So I ask you to treat him. I am not the General Staff and it is not given to me to know its plans. In general, it is not given to anyone to know the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, at least there are no such people here. But no one forbade me to evaluate his actions. Why not? I have the right! So I ask you to treat this analysis. I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth, if you disagree with something, then under the text you can dispute it and state your vision. You also have a right.

What a great start it all was. On February 25, CNN stated that

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been taken to a bunker as Russian troops close in on Kyiv.

Where he took poison and handed over control of the country to Putin. But it did not work out, alas! Now we are facing a hard and exhausting war. I hope everyone understands this. I wish everyone to adequately survive this difficult time and make their own contribution to the common Victory.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 16 May 2022 18: 44
    -4
    it's only the beginning

    wrote 2 weeks ago...
    never happened and here it is...
    1. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
      Yuriy88 (Yuri) 17 May 2022 10: 51
      -1
      okay, give you everything at once ..! They made a mistake in only one thing .. in "brotherhood, kinship of the Ukrainian people" !!!!! Therefore, there was no one with loaves! In large cities, with a more or less high standard of living, almost everyone was reforged into Bandera .. This is not taken into account .. !!! And what is there in general "near Kharkov", what kind of "trap" ?? What a nonsense..!!!! Kharkov is practically on the border, so storming a millionth city near its border .. is absolutely .. stupid! He was simply bypassed where they could .. And He is waiting in the wings! Everything else is according to plan .. We take them out into the field, into their fortified areas and hammer them there !!! And what, how should Mariupol be bogged down in street battles .. adjusted for any grandmother, grandfather, dog .., basements with "peaceful" ?! Enough .. The field is freer and more visible. Everything will be A "analysis".afftora-. I always wonder how the snot can be smeared on the glass with such a thin layer ..
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 May 2022 12: 39
        +1
        So it's clear.
        Humor in the phrase "everything is just beginning", which I met more than once and relatively long ago...
      2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 May 2022 15: 22
        0
        Here about Kharkov it would be desirable more in detail. According to rumors, several armored cars drove into the city center and seemed to agree on something, but a bummer came out and they had to run away. It seems that if significant forces were introduced, which were not there, and which were near Kyiv, then Kharkov would have been captured. And as a result, the situation would be completely different.
      3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 May 2022 16: 31
        +2
        Apparently, the calculation was for a palace coup with the removal of the ruling Clown from power by the forces of the top of the SBU,

        If it has long been known that one of the floors of the head office of the SBU is occupied by the CIA, then what could the SBU count on? It's the same as counting on the help of the CIA. That is, with the help of the devil to cast out a demon. This is illogical.
  2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 May 2022 19: 24
    +1
    The Russian beast himself entered the trap prepared for him by the Western curators of the Ukroreich, after which the door slammed shut behind him.

    I fully agree with this analogy.
    Unfortunately, after our falling into a trap, the author immediately proceeds to reporting from this trap.
    It goes without saying that the whole world is in the article, and its philosophy is further limited to the inner space of this trap.
    Meanwhile, it is worth considering the question - has the United States achieved their goal after we fell into a trap?
    And most importantly - who will deal with the States themselves, our main adversary, left by us to the mercy of fate outside the trap?
    Does being in this trap protect us from further actions of our main enemy? Or vice versa?
    Another question - if the States are outside, and we are inside - why are we still zealously spending people and material resources inside this trap? Who enjoys this?
    Our main adversary stands next to the trap in which we flutter and exhaust ourselves, calculates the profits of our military-industrial complex and chuckles.
    Preparing new traps for us.
    Are we not able to do it for real right now?
    Do we really need conventional forces for this, and not a threat to the adversary with a real nuclear war?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 16 May 2022 22: 04
      +7
      - Bear caught!
      - Get it over here!
      -No way!
      - So you go!
      - Don't let me!
    2. special correspondent (oleg) 17 May 2022 12: 40
      0
      Also drew attention to this. The enemy is outside the trap and that's the first thing. Secondly, the chances of winning in this situation are minimal, history proves that if the USA + accomplices can freely provide military and economic support, then ... drain the water (recall that even the Nazis prevented this and drowned US caravans). Here, with complete freedom of supplies from Poland-Slovakia-Romania, I repeat, the chances are minimal. Therefore, you need to beat the Leader of the gang, and not mess around (for fun) with his guards. The first is a temporary withdrawal from the agreement on a ban on nuclear weapons tests in three environments. The second is demonstration tests in the North Atlantic and the Pacific. They will not understand - repeated, with an increase in power and approaching their territories.
      In the end, even BEFORE bringing the case to a territorial strike, they will have to think about what to do with the radioactive North Atlantic and the Golf Stream.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 17 May 2022 17: 39
        0
        You are absolutely right. This is true.
        But only if the country's leadership has the determination to defend the country to the end. Literally.
        Judging by the statement of Russia on January 3.01.2022, XNUMX that it, together with other countries of the "nuclear five", will not allow a nuclear war, THERE IS NO SUCH DETERMINATION, and this has already been officially announced to the whole world. Including our enemies from the same "five".
        The second "puncture" also already happened - we climbed into Ukraine, instead of stopping in the LDNR and continuing to operate with missile weapons and the Aerospace Forces.
        The US and NATO had to be kept from intervening by the threat of a nuclear strike. Would keep. And they would also force them to fulfill the conditions of the December ultimatum.
        It was a good chance. To match the one that was successfully used by the USSR in 1962
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 17 May 2022 21: 46
          0
          Now Medvedev has spoken: We will not allow a third world war.
          What is it like? Who are we comforting? Our sworn enemies?
          Yes - the poor are worried - what if the Russians decide to threaten them with a nuclear war, and ruin all plans, like Khrushchev once did.
          Do not worry fools - says Medvedev - act, this is our question - we will not allow a third world war. The same was said earlier by Lavrov and other Foreign Ministry officials.
          Do they even understand the meaning of their own words?
          Or are they deliberately cutting off our path to this facility?
        2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 17 May 2022 22: 25
          +1
          Those for whom the threat of nuclear war is the only way to defend their existence on the planet should not be afraid of defeat anymore, and even more so to demonstrate this fear to their enemy and the whole world
        3. Boris Podolko Offline Boris Podolko
          Boris Podolko (Boris Podolko) 22 May 2022 19: 10
          +1
          Stop at the border of the LDNR and receive shelling along the entire line of contact, these are thousands of settlements under constant attack. Dear, you froze stupidity. The author correctly said that they will bite us until we force them to capitulate or until we destroy them.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 May 2022 17: 00
            -1
            You screwed it up.
            Interesting - how do you imagine our victory in the conditions of an open border with Poland (a NATO country) and its practically solved protectorate over part of Ukraine?
            Are you seriously going to defeat NATO in Ukraine?
            Will the states let you?
            Or will they introduce the next trump card into the game? For example Japan.
            Did it not dawn on you that NATO can only be defeated by defeating the States?
            The encounters we try so hard to avoid
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 17: 32
              0
              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              Interesting - how do you imagine our victory in the conditions of an open border with Poland (a NATO country) and its practically solved protectorate over part of Ukraine?

              There are many options. For example, the division of Ukraine on terms that suit us... laughing
              1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 May 2022 17: 37
                0
                On terms that suit us.
                But what about the other side, which they should also approach?
                Ukraine?
                Or Ukraine and Poland?
                Are they both, or is NATO also?
                Finally, you will put our entire army in Ukraine in the war with NATO and "divide" it. But what about the States? Will they agree to close their interest in Ukraine? Or launch the next direction? Kaliningrad or the Kuriles?

                There are many options.

                Which? If the West has already stated that it needs a victory on the battlefield.
                It was specifically said for dreamers.
                That is - he needs EVERYTHING. And point
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 17: 50
                  0
                  Alexey, you are a person completely devoid of the opportunity to imagine something. You must understand me, I cannot help you make up for this shortcoming, alas. laughing

                  PS You added your comment after my answer, adding that the West needs everything.
                  All The West will never win! laughing
                  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 May 2022 18: 17
                    0
                    I try not to impose my ideas on the picture of the world, but to get them by the reverse process
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 23 May 2022 18: 34
                      0
                      Alexey, it is right. Take care of our world, and there are other places for the products of your processes. laughing
  3. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 16 May 2022 19: 38
    +4
    Even if initially the bet was made on a palace coup in favor of V. Medvedchuk, this did not exclude the need to provide for alternative options!

    Non-brothers know how to fight, and their senior officers graduated from the same schools as ours;
    we are faced with a smart, treacherous, daring and competent enemy

    And at the same time:

    The West, ... with the hands of stupid and brainless Ukrainians, is at war with us

    So is the enemy "smart" or "stupid"?
    Who is the author of this verbose opus?
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 17 May 2022 05: 47
      +5
      They are stupid and brainless because they skillfully and boldly fight against Russia, and not the West.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 17 May 2022 08: 01
        +4
        In any case: to insult the enemy is to admit one's failure!
    2. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
      Omas Bioladen 17 May 2022 08: 14
      -1
      Der feind ist ideologisch verblendet aber durch die Sowjetschule ein würdiger Krieger auf dem Feld. Also beides.
  4. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 May 2022 20: 13
    +11
    The analysis is interesting. But I don't agree with everything. If at all we mean something like a palace coup or another option for a change of power in Ukraine, then a logical question arises - why is Zelensky still alive and receiving masses of guests? Why is Bankovaya, the General Staff of Ukraine, the SBU, why are they all broadcasting whatever they please?
    Is it difficult to hit this rat's nest with a missile strike if there is a desire to change power?
    Will others come? They will come. And fuck them too. And then soon hardly anyone wants to. This is where power can change. Or she herself will change in a more acceptable direction, inevitably.
    ... and the oligarch-Medvedchuk, as a candidate for the leader of the new Ukraine, does not sit in a pro-Russian vein. Being the godfather of the GDP is clearly not enough for this. Putin is not a fool not to understand this ...
    ... and in general, our Foreign Ministry is talking some strange things - we, like, "do not strive for a change of power in Ukraine ..." And the main goal of the CVO is denazification, excuse me, how are we going to carry it out without changing this power? This is complete nonsense!
    1. Aa Bb Offline Aa Bb
      Aa Bb (Aa Bb) 17 May 2022 12: 28
      0
      So you forgot about the main thing - about gestures of goodwill. Yes, and the regime is normal - ordinary fascists, why not talk to them?
  5. vo2022smysl Offline vo2022smysl
    vo2022smysl (Common sense) 16 May 2022 20: 30
    +9
    If it were not for the obvious propaganda stretches, there would be a completely adequate analysis ...
    And yes, the Mi-8 is not a "cow"! Mi-6 is a "cow".
  6. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 16 May 2022 21: 24
    -1
    The author knows how to think that is already good. Only one question arises: what, the West and the United States will sit back and watch how the situation develops according to this scenario, or according to some other one? Over the ocean and on the island, there are people who are quite qualified militarily, who are able to quickly and efficiently respond to any situation that may arise. Yes, and in history there were many examples of how even Tsarist Russia in the Crimean War, and the USSR in Egypt and Lebanon, to put it mildly, the same actors fought a soft spot. Now Putin's kleptocracy has decided to try its hand at this touchstone. In a protracted conflict, 3% of Russia's global GDP will be opposed by a total of 40% of Western countries, along with the United States. Yes, and taking into account their cardinal advantage in technology and scientific and technical potential, not to mention space with the notorious Elon Musk. And we have no assistants and allies, and they are unlikely to appear in the near future. Even the old man sits evenly in Minsk, although he swore eternal fidelity and called Putin "brother" for a long time. What can you not say when it "locks" ...
    In addition, the Finns and the Swedes stuck a knife in the back, if they continue at this pace, the Baltic Sea and the local fleet (if you can call it that) will be closed like a tin can.
    Here's Ukraine...

    When we defeat them, then it will be possible to take Europe with practically bare hands ...

    Why do we need this Europe?
    Maybe it's still better to immediately pull the hegemon for a causal place?
    And there - come what may ...
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 17 May 2022 02: 31
      0
      The military is sitting in Fashington and making new Afghanistans, Iraqis, Vietnamese...
    2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 May 2022 16: 39
      0
      not to mention space with the notorious Elon Musk.

      But what about "Peresvets" capable of shooting down satellites to a height of 1,5 thousand km? Do not the commanders, strangers dare to tear off their uniforms (satellites) on Russian bayonets (laser Peresvets)?
  7. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 16 May 2022 21: 36
    +8
    I will repeat the thesis about our raw material weapons: once the "iron curtain" of deliveries of everything and everything to "sworn friends and partners" is dropped, then all their help and agility will inevitably decline, or maybe stop altogether.
    All the same, they don’t give us and won’t let us spend all these crazy billions, so we don’t really risk it.
  8. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 May 2022 22: 01
    +1
    When something went wrong in June 1941, Stalin removed Zhukov from the post of head of the General Staff, Pavlov was shot and other guilty people. And he took over the management of the country and the army. Now what does Putin do when things go wrong? And to the last he accuses Lenin-Stalin of everything to blame. And continues to play the role of "white and fluffy."

    now we are not in a hurry, we still have time

    May 8, 2022 — Every day of the war with Ukraine costs Russians $900 million. This was reported to Newsweek by the editor-in-chief of SOFREP news agency.

    Money crazy! Author, where did you buy your education? Is it necessary not to be friends with the head, so that he says that we are not in a hurry? I have a pension of 12 thousand, my wife has 11 thousand. rub. And you want me to agree to your fawning, justifying Putin's mistakes?
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 17 May 2022 02: 33
      0
      I won’t argue, but it seems that Zhukov was in the Far East at the beginning of the war and fought the Japs in Domansky ...
    2. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 17 May 2022 02: 51
      -1
      In vain you. The author just made an analysis of the beginning of the "special operation" and quite critically reflects on the first days of hostilities and Putin's decisions. So, it’s hard to blame him for being a sycophant.
      And then his thoughts boil down to the fact that it is not worth wasting human resources, but to gain a foothold on certain specific lines and conduct sluggish military operations without any offensive advances.
      And having waited for the autumn-winter period, when the EU countries feel a shortage of energy resources and food, they will supply Ukraine to a lesser extent, and Ukraine itself will be fed up with everything by that time. Kiev will ask them for more and more help - gas, fuel for engines, material and financial resources. And now Kyiv lacks all this, and by the fall, it will be a disaster for them.
      And then the Russian Armed Forces will be able to continue their offensive.
      And perhaps even up to Kyiv.
      And people can be saved, and as you write here, the costs of military operations will be reduced for a period of calm.
    3. ilya.muromczev2013 (Ilya Muromtsev) 17 May 2022 04: 54
      -2
      And where is Putin "blaming Lenin-Stalin to the last"? Did you come up with it yourself, or did someone suggest it? If he blamed Stalin for everything, then there would be neither Victory Day nor the Immortal Regiment now. And with Lenin, to whom the Russian people were absolutely ..., and who distributed primordially Russian territories at his expense, Putin is right. You probably think that if you don’t give a damn about the Donbass, give up the Crimea, and expose your bare ass to the Banderlogs, will your pension increase with your wife? At Putin. of course, there are mistakes, but the people choose it, and not the communists, who brought the country to empty shelves and collapse, and not the schizoid liberalism that licked the West's ass. Putin had no power under them, and now he is correcting their mistakes. Only and all...
  9. k7k8 Offline k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 16 May 2022 22: 14
    +2
    Quote: Spasatel
    Even the dad in Minsk sits exactly

    Well, actually, this is far from the case. And by the way, I remember an old joke.

    A journalist (f) of a serious Western media is interviewing Lukashenka (l).
    F - Mr. President, how long would it take you to restore order in Ukraine?
    L - 2 days.
    J - How is it?
    L - Yes. On the first day, I would shoot the Verkhovna Rada in its entirety, and up to a bunch of governors and the leadership of political parties.
    J - Is that all? But what to do on the second day?
    L - And on the second day I would shoot everyone who comes to the funeral!
    A curtain.
  10. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 17 May 2022 00: 04
    0
    The shelling of Donetsk after three months of the SVO to liberate the DPR
    Loss of 300 billion Gold reserves, not counting the assets of legal entities and individuals
    Negotiations with nationalists on the “denazification” of Ukraine
    NATO expansion
    Reducing the EU's gas dependence and the embargo on the import of petroleum products
    The plan of "unification" of the CSTO and the CIS
    1. ilya.muromczev2013 (Ilya Muromtsev) 17 May 2022 05: 33
      0
      Well? All this would be all the same, sooner or later: Russia and China are like a bone in the throat for the West, so it will always move closer and closer to their borders, arranging color revolutions, and planting all sorts of Zelensky-Tikhanovites in neighboring countries ... Do you think surrender Donbass, and abandon Crimea - would it be better? ...
    2. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 17 May 2022 11: 27
      -2
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      Reducing the EU's gas dependence and the embargo on the import of petroleum products

      so far, revenues from the export of gas and oil products are only growing

      Russia in April increased oil and gas revenues to a record 1,797 trillion rubles Compared to April last year, the figure has more than doubled.
      1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
        Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 17 May 2022 12: 27
        +2
        1. Exactly what For now, while the reduction in volumes is accompanied by an increase in prices, and then what?
        Giant deposits have been discovered in Israel, Egypt, Cyprus, the OPEC countries, Iran, Venezuela, Turkmenistan, the USA, Canada will increase the capacity, and in a year or two they will completely replace the supplies of the Russian Federation
        2. Budget revenues from gas exports are about 7% and 30% for oil, while the oil embargo is planned before the end of this year, and gas by 23-25. In addition, it is planned to create a single energy space and make purchases on behalf of the Whole (!) EU
        3. Increasing the currency is not an end in itself, how can it be used to modernize the industry if operations with it are severely limited by sanctions, not to mention equipment and technologies. There is little hope for the support of India and China, and gray schemes and the zeroing of import duties will radically change little.
        1. Victorio Offline Victorio
          Victorio (Victorio) 17 May 2022 14: 24
          -2
          Quote: Jacques Sekavar
          what then?

          as usual. there would be a product, but there will be a buyer
  11. sacha1960 Offline sacha1960
    sacha1960 (Sasha Anton) 17 May 2022 01: 20
    -1
    The author, like the Russian government, and many journalists and "experts", completely ignores in his calculations the army that is being formed beyond the Dnieper with thousands of recruits and thousands of extremely deadly new NATO weapons. It's like saying that we played this match and since I don't want to see the opponent's reserves, then we will definitely win.

    Two things to sum up:

    - Russia fell into a big and dangerous trap, only by using tactical nuclear weapons with a yield of 1 kiloton in Ukraine (which in no way activates Article 5 of NATO), will it be able to get out without much more damage and with an acceptable and relatively quick victory, (6 months ). Use this weapon or warn about it (for which a preliminary demonstration in the field is necessary) against offensive troops, if only to protect the conquered territory and their struggle in the Donbass from dangerous counterattacks or Ukrainian encirclements like Stalingrad. (Stalingrad against Russia!)

    - Using simple fool arithmetic, Russia with 200 million will never be able to win a conventional war against NATO-Ukraine with 1040 million. Unless you want to be trapped for an unacceptable amount of time and pay a heroic price by leaving 100 corpses of Russian soldiers in Ukraine.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 17 May 2022 06: 22
      +2
      The use of WMD in Ukraine is the trigger that the US is waiting for to enter the war directly. Do you want that? All US nuclear weapons stored in Europe will hit Russia, its European part. Or do you think that the West will not do this?
      Their analysts consider Putin's speeches to be a bluff (I don't know why they don't take into account that he shortened the lives of many bad people in the world), and they are sure that Putin will not dare to retaliate, despite the fact that "all decisions accepted."
      WMD is the real US red line after which they will turn on.
      Therefore, to hit Ukraine with a nuclear club is to rip a madman off the coils.
      It is necessary to beat this madman's tambourine, and immediately after his first deliveries of weapons to Ukraine, he will not understand otherwise, it's obvious.
      All the fuss on the territory of Ukraine is an endless battle with the Lernean Hydra.
      Putin has already voiced threats. The more time passes from the moment they were voiced, the less the West believes them, the worse the final result will be.
      To clean the leadership of the country at all levels from pro-Western liberda and hit the West so that they come to their senses there. And then they are already thinking about a military victory over Russia.
      1. special correspondent (oleg) 17 May 2022 12: 46
        -1
        What are you speaking about? What US nuclear weapons in Europe will "hit" the European part of Russia? They also realize that the answer will be immediately for the cities of the United States and small Britain.
    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 17 May 2022 14: 36
      -3
      Quote from Sacha1960
      - Using simple fool arithmetic, Russia with 200 million can never win a conventional war against NATO-Ukraine with 1040 million

      YOU, Sasha, forgot to add Japan, Turkey, Australia, etc., and this is already one and a half billion against 146 million of our human resources.

      Quote from Sacha1960
      - Russia has fallen into a big and dangerous trap, only by using tactical nuclear weapons with a capacity of 1 kiloton in Ukraine (which in no way activates Article 5 of NATO), will it be able to get out without much more damage

      Here I am about the same thing, and we can’t do without it, but apply it not in Ukraine itself, but in Galicia, along the border with Poland.
  12. sacha1960 Offline sacha1960
    sacha1960 (Sasha Anton) 17 May 2022 01: 38
    +4
    And also underestimate the power of NATO weapons, such as javelins, drones, communications. satellite reconnaissance and guided artillery. Is it due to negligence or because of censorship of information about the serious damage they cause to the armored forces of Russia?
  13. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
    Roma Phil (Roma) 17 May 2022 02: 05
    +1
    I liked the post. The analysis is deep and very reliable.
    It's hard to disagree and there's nothing to add.
    Just who is the author? He writes in the first person, but did not leave an autograph.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 17 May 2022 06: 23
      +1
      The author is one that many people know.
      1. ZmikeV Offline ZmikeV
        ZmikeV (Michael) 17 May 2022 08: 23
        +3
        Quote: Avarron
        The author is one that many people know.

        and in vain is encrypted, IMHO
        well, I made a mistake in the forecasts, there is nothing to be ashamed of, and without his articles with live material and good humor, the site loses a lot
        1. Avarron Offline Avarron
          Avarron (Sergei) 17 May 2022 09: 40
          +2
          The main site of this author would not lose
  14. ilya.muromczev2013 (Ilya Muromtsev) 17 May 2022 05: 17
    0
    Author ... And without your frequent reservations, it is clear that you are not from the General Staff. What did you want to say? That someone promised to take Kyiv in 4 days? That someone said that we gouge the APU with one blow? Where and who said it? This was said by couch experts on the same forums, and on countless TV shows ... Some part of the population (especially after Syria) also thought so. But the majority in Russia has relatives, friends, acquaintances in Ukraine - and therefore they perfectly understood that this operation would not end in a couple of days. I think the General Staff understood this very well (yut). Probably, something did not go as planned, well, it always happens, and it happens in all countries of the world. Thank God that they learned to change decisions along the way, and not stupidly execute "decisions of the party and government", despite the sacrifices ...
  15. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 17 May 2022 06: 07
    +5
    And again an error about "wait for autumn". You can't wait for anything. Armaments are delivered to Ukraine every day of "waiting". Every day the West gets rid of obsolete weapons and modernizes and produces new ones.
    The production capacities of the West do not suffer, respectively, no matter how many heads of hydra are cut off, two new ones will grow in its place. Iron for war will never end, as long as there is something to produce it on.
    People for the war are also growing up every day. And the longer it goes on, the more evil "dragon's teeth" appear, which have no other meaning in life, except for war.
    The procrastination of death is like, not by me said. And if we do not run through this section in a certain amount of time, we will be crushed. I didn’t say it either, but in this situation it’s exactly like that.
    The author correctly noted that we will finish the job in Ukraine, Poland will break out, or Romania or the Baltic states there, or even the whole of NATO at once. They will not let Russia stop until they are completely exhausted.
    And why do we forget about Japan and China when talking about European affairs?
    The first are obvious enemies, the second is not exactly a friend forever.
    If China sees that Russian forces are drying up, it will, in its tradition, demonstrate "soft power" and chop off the entire Far East, ostensibly for humanitarian purposes, in order to prevent the suffering of the local population in the face of inevitable Japanese aggression. Moreover, it is not a fact that the local population will become worse from this.
    If Russia switches to a long positional war, no one will stop supplying the enemy.
    What is even 300 people. sunk losses due to the mobilization of 1 million? A drop in the sea.
    And while Russia will sit in positions, the West will covertly saturate Ukraine with weapons. Yes, something Russia WILL be allowed to trace and destroy, but one day at the X hour, all the many untraceable shipments will appear. And these are not only hand grenade launchers and MANPADS.
    In general, to sit still and wait is to play by the rules of the enemy, who decided to wear you out.
    If the local Nazis really spoiled the lives of people, then in the liberated territories there should be many volunteers who want to stand under the Russian banners, that's who needs to be trained and given the opportunity to actively avenge the years of indecency.
    But you can’t stop, you need to destroy the threat in its very lair, otherwise death.
  16. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 17 May 2022 06: 27
    +1
    In general, it is quite possible that everything is going to the fact that the mistake of not accepting China into the USSR will be corrected and now Russia will be accepted into China immediately after it deals with Ukronazism.
  17. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 17 May 2022 08: 46
    +1
    According to the author, after the war, our fighters will be like the Red Army in 1945, if they fight before winter, 30% of the fighters who entered the war in February will remain, the author himself says that the enemy is strong and cunning.
    Do not think that we have no losses.
    Khokhols cover our artillery in the same way, only unlike crests, we do not have concrete bunkers in which you can sit out.
    The crossing in Belogorovka showed that one should not underestimate the enemy
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 17 May 2022 11: 17
      -3
      Quote from Muscool
      The crossing in Belogorovka showed

      Lots of info on this case.
  18. Avedi Offline Avedi
    Avedi (Ankh) 17 May 2022 08: 59
    -1
    An excellent article, but if the author only focused on the reasons for the defeat in the first days of the war, the mediocrity of our leadership in terms of geopolitics. Oh, how many jambs have already been done. Although, what to take from the cooks ... Further, my analysis is that because of this jamb, the war will drag on until 2024 and Russia will be mobilized and transition to a military dictatorship. And how you wanted ... and a fish ...
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  20. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 17 May 2022 09: 49
    0
    From the last: Zelya admitted that the SBU awarded him to surrender in Azovstal. And they said that they don’t meet with flowers. The SBU is already engaged in demilitarization and denazification.
    Zelya found Putin's phone, which he gave him at KVN, when he was crawling on his knees, he asked to go to Russia. Calls: grandfather, I refused. Putin: nothing, we’ll wash it, the main thing is to write in a tweet, they say you’ve screwed up badly.
  21. Victorio Offline Victorio
    Victorio (Victorio) 17 May 2022 11: 14
    0
    In conclusion, I would like to say that all of the above is solely my personal private opinion. So I ask you to treat him. I am not the General Staff and it is not given to me to know its plans. In general, it is not given to anyone to know the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, at least there are no such people here. But no one forbade me to evaluate his actions. Why not? I have the right!

    I don't know what the plans are, but I have an opinion. Well, let's all your opinions and will publish. there are few materials and reports of journalists, on TV, bloggers, forums and so on. but apparently nothing can be done about it, now is such an informational time.
  22. Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 17 May 2022 11: 30
    0
    The article is controversial, but relevant. I will only note one thing, there are not words about this in the article.
    A huge PLUS, that thanks to our enemies in Russia, words have really become blurry - NATIONALIZATION and IMPORT SUBSTITUTION !!!
  23. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 17 May 2022 12: 07
    -4
    Nobody needs Ukraine, Ukraine is a consumable in a hybrid total war with Russia.

    S. Lavrov.
    the phrase "except Russia" was not said. Draw the next "plans" of Putin, couch analysts. laughing
  24. VID 2 Offline VID 2
    VID 2 17 May 2022 13: 46
    +1
    On the whole, the author is right: Medvedchuk did not promise a bunch, but VV "fell for" these promises. How could one not believe: both the Federal Republic of Ukraine and Zelensky tomorrow in the bullpen, where is this FRU now? Medvedchuk's Civil Platform turned out to be a soap bubble.
    The realization that Medvedchuk is an empty place cost us dearly
  25. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 17 May 2022 14: 39
    0
    Why is there a war in Ukraine? What is Putin's goal? Denationalization and demilitarization, coupled with the liberation of Donbass, is Odessa noise for the layman. If in favor of the people of Russia, then we need a Law on Ukraine, similar to the law of China on Taiwan.
    It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia. Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia. The presence of the Law will not allow the entry of troops of Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of the territory of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    For example, in 2005, China passed the "Law on Anti-Secession of the State." According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. No need to ask permission from anyone, do everything unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    There will be a law, then all the actions of the Russian army are legal, all citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will know that after the war they will become citizens of Russia, uncertainty will disappear.
    Putin is driven by fear, hence the beginning without end, superficial solutions that bring troubles and problems to all peoples living on the territory of the former USSR.
    The war in Ukraine will show who wins, the people or the "elite".
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 17 May 2022 15: 31
      -2
      There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.

      I support !!
  26. Sergey Kairis Offline Sergey Kairis
    Sergey Kairis (Sergey Kairis) 17 May 2022 14: 59
    +1
    Everything is already clear to everyone. It is incomprehensible only to the Author .... The opinion of Y. Podolyaki, M. Onufrienko, T. Montyan is the desire of Ukrainians to return as soon as possible what they completely “drained” in 2014 ... But the Kremlin initially had other intentions.
  27. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 17 May 2022 14: 59
    -2
    There were a lot of things near Kharkov. There were also the corpses of the Natsiks who attacked the column of the Russian Guard, who were put to death and an attempt to escape from Kharkov by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was destroyed by Russian aviation right on the highway, so there was no defeat of the Russian Federation near Kharkov. There was an ambush of our intelligence, with fatal consequences, but ... alas ... war.
  28. Sergey Ochkivsky (Sergey Ochkivsky) 17 May 2022 21: 55
    +2
    Regarding DENACITION, I have doubts that the government understands the scale of the tasks. This is about the declared "we are not going to occupy and change power." They are CLEARLY aimed at ANOTHER world. Thinking about the reaction of the OUTSIDE world, for some reason they forget about the reaction of their OWN citizens. In the conditions of the WAR being waged against us, this should be the MAIN thing. About the negotiations. The establishment of humanitarian corridors is by whom, by people who DO NOT HAVE any influence, as the first agreements have already shown? And how to understand the situation when our delegation is STANDING waiting for the Ukrainian to deign to enter? And how to respond to statements that the goals of the operation are not OCCUPATION and CHANGE OF POWER? And how then, without control of the territory and a COMPLETE CHANGE OF ELITES (political, economic, intellectual), will the DECLARED DENACITION be carried out? It would not be more correct to say that Russia is NOT GOING TO deprive the statehood of those entities that are formed on the territory of present-day Ukraine, according to the will of the peoples of these new entities. Back in 17 in the material LESSONS OF UKRAINE on the Chernihiv website
    See https://midgard-edem.org/?p=2608
    wrote the following. ... neither the Kremlin nor the Russian public will tolerate a hostile Nazi state at their borders, and no one will be able to prevent the liquidation of Ukraine in its current form. Hope - the West will help us, the Russophobic elite - are groundless. The preservation of Ukraine as a sovereign state, especially its socio-economic development, is not included in the goals and tasks solved by the West on its territory. ... Despite the Kremlin's obvious unwillingness to hang this yoke on itself, there is nothing left but to reformat Ukraine through the Donbass and completely replace the Russophobic elite. In another option, the breakaway Ukrainian regions will become for many years, as it has already been in our history, a source of constant terrorist threat for Russia itself.
  29. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 May 2022 15: 33
    +1
    Here about Kharkov it would be desirable more in detail. According to rumors, several armored cars drove into the city center and seemed to agree on something, but a bummer came out and they had to run away. It seems that if significant forces were introduced, which were not there, and which were near Kyiv, then Kharkov would have been captured. And as a result, the situation would be completely different.
  30. Sotnalex Offline Sotnalex
    Sotnalex 18 May 2022 18: 20
    0
    Not ready, what is it?! The haircut has just begun!
  31. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 19 May 2022 06: 24
    0
    I should have thought more carefully. GDP words. Victory will be ours!