Victory or surrender: Russia needs to make a confident choice


Literally from the very first days of the special operation in Ukraine, when the negotiation process with Kyiv began, all normal Russians and adequate Ukrainians had a rational fear that the “collective Medinsky” could stop the course of the SVO at any moment and conclude some kind of peace agreement with the criminal regime of President Zelensky.


Broad unilateral gestures like the withdrawal of Russian troops from northern Ukraine, as well as the regular statements of characters like Vladimir Medinsky himself or Dmitry Peskov, do not give reason to relax. However, now there is a firm belief that all this liberal peacemaking is doomed to failure.

The fact is that at least two parties are needed to conclude a peace agreement, but there are serious problems with this.

Two "towers"


It will hardly be a big revelation that Russia over the past three decades of "independence" itself has been turned into economic semi-colony of the West, where she was assigned the role of a raw material appendage. The so-called systemic liberals were assigned to us as "watchers" over it, the most odious representatives of which preferred to go abroad in the very first days after the start of the special operation in Ukraine. And not in vain, because the deplorable results of their activities are obvious: the gold and foreign exchange reserves of our country withdrawn abroad have been arrested, there are neither our own machine tools, nor a wide range of high-tech equipment, if it weren’t for the “Soviet galoshes” in the form of Tu-214 and Il-96, Russia would have remained due to Western sanctions without aircraft at all. Etc.

President Putin's decision to conduct a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine has obviously sharply split the domestic "elites". Judging by the statements that break into the media space, there are at least two "Kremlin towers" - liberal and power.

The liberal “Kremlin tower” is a conditional “collective Medinsky”, which, until February 24, 2022, was quite happy with everything. These people are ready to make any agreements with Kyiv and the collective West behind it, "to return everything, like a bull." The understanding that the West does not need peace with Russia, but only its complete and unconditional surrender, has not yet reached domestic liberals. Or it came, and this means that the defeat of the Russian Federation will also suit them perfectly.

The power “Kremlin tower” is people connected in one way or another with the army, law enforcement agencies and the military-industrial complex, who are well aware that there will be no mercy for them in the event of Russia's defeat, and therefore they are ready to fight. The most prominent representative of the "siloviki" quite unexpectedly for many was the head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, whose public position on the special operation causes the greatest respect. He offered not to leave Kyiv, now he is talking about the need to conduct a NWO throughout Ukraine:

We need to start the second phase. And specifically to conduct a special operation not only in the territory of Luhansk and Donetsk, but throughout the territory of Ukraine. Because all world states brazenly provide Ukraine. And these weapons are already being sold to local residents. This is world chaos, lawlessness. In order for this not to last, it is necessary to put an end to it, to begin the second stage. Go to other cities - Kharkov, Kyiv, all cities completely. Set up a government that will normally manage its people.

It is also worth mentioning the statement of the head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev, who allowed the collapse of Ukraine:

Outcome of the current policy The West and the Kyiv regime under its control can only become the disintegration of Ukraine into several states.

How quickly the security forces take over the liberals will determine how long Russia's war with the collective West over Ukraine will last, and here's why.

War "until the last Ukrainian"


The problem of the “collective Medinsky” is that the collective West does not intend to agree on anything with it. Our enemies only need the military-political defeat of Russia and its complete and unconditional surrender. Josep Borrell, High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, stated this in plain text:

This war will be won on the battlefield.

Exactly the same is being broadcast by our former “Western partners” through their puppet President Zelensky, who in an interview with The Wall Street Journal stated the following:

Restoring territorial integrity is our number one task... Our maximum is restoring territorial integrity.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, in turn, promised to arm Ukraine in such a way that Russia would not even think of attacking it again:

I think they will end up with a package of security assurances from like-minded security assurance countries on what we can do to support them with training, weapons and intelligence sharing.

What does this mean in practice? The fact that the collective West will not allow the Russian "elites" to stop the fighting in Ukraine, even if they really want to.

Here, for example, the “liberal tower” decides to limit itself only to the liberation of the territory of the DPR and LPR and stop the further offensive. What will Kyiv do? With the help of the NATO bloc, he will re-equip the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the latest models of Western weapons and will himself begin an operation to “liberate” Donbass. At the same time, Crimea may be subjected to missile and air attacks, since Ukraine is not going to give up on it. At the same time, other Russian regions will also be hit, not only the neighboring Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk regions, but also objects in the depths of our country. This is already possible, since the Ukrainian army received American-made OTRK from the North Atlantic Alliance. In the future, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to receive even more long-range missiles and combat aircraft from the NATO bloc.

This means that Russia has, in fact, fallen into a “Ukrainian trap”: it is necessary either to carry out a large-scale military operation to liberate absolutely the entire territory of Independence, or to keep huge forces in the Donbas and in the border area, which must constantly be in a state of high readiness to repel the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. That is, most of the ground forces of the RF Armed Forces are now stuck in the Ukrainian swamp for an indefinitely long time and cannot be transferred to other directions. This is what we motivated the need to create territorial defense units to protect the Russian regions.

Such will be the payment for the limited nature of the NWO, if the “liberal tower” decides to moderate its appetites, stay in the Donbass and not go further. This will be a pause for the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the next stage of the war, where the initiative will be with Kyiv and the West behind it. This war will become even more terrible and bloody than now, and it will affect Russian territory much more. It is impossible to agree simply because the opposite side does not want to negotiate. She wants only our military defeat.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 5 May 2022 11: 58
    +1
    Regarding the Medinskys, here Putin and his ilk need to think hard about whether agents of influence of foreign states are needed in the Russian Federation in general, or is it better to help them pack their bags and call them a taxi to the station, in order to resettle them for permanent residence in their dear the heart of the country...??? Otherwise, these Medinskys will sabotage all decisions aimed at the revival of the Russian Federation and its industrial, economic and military-economic potential.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 5 May 2022 13: 17
      +10
      Do you really think that Putin needs guidance on what to think about? Is he insane? Everything that happens in the country and with the country, all these 20 years, is his conscious choice. It is from this that we must proceed in our opinion about him.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Alexander) 5 May 2022 13: 22
        +2
        You are right, everything we do is our conscious choice, but Putin himself said that he is a manager who exercises the power of the people and it would not hurt to listen to the opinion of the people ... this time ... In the film Midshipmen forward there is a phrase that says Mr. De Brilly - Paris loves winners ... I would add that everyone and everywhere loves winners, and no one loves losers anywhere, this also needs to be remembered ... these are two ...
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 5 May 2022 13: 52
          +2
          Putin himself said that he is a manager who exercises the power of the people

          This modesty now, when it comes time to take stock, looks strange. After Yeltsin, the people saw in the new leader, someone who was really needed by the country. Not a hired manager, but the savior of the Fatherland. Should he not know this, if he himself played along with this image as best he could
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Alexander) 5 May 2022 13: 59
            +1
            In Yeltsin, the lion's share of the people saw precisely the dictator, who is the six of NATO and the formal head of the US occupation administration in the Russian Federation, which is why there was a curtsey in favor of the fact that the source of power in the country is the people, and not the autocrat ...
        2. guest Offline guest
          guest 5 May 2022 14: 21
          +1
          I agree, the truth is more about respect than love. The strong are respected and the weak are despised.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Alexander) 5 May 2022 14: 22
            +2
            It depends on who it refers to ... Their own, often, not only respect, but also love the winner, and strangers respect and fear ... which is also not bad ..
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 5 May 2022 14: 32
              +1
              Well, I’m only talking about strangers, although this sometimes applies to some so-called “friends”.
      2. Anatol21 Offline Anatol21
        Anatol21 (Anatol21) 5 May 2022 13: 41
        0
        And how to evaluate the presence of Lavrov in the Foreign Ministry, is he not a representative of the liberal tower, because negotiations with Ze are his initiative, and Medinsky is only an executor. Didn't Lavrov declare that he was for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, not wanting a regime change in Kyiv.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 May 2022 15: 07
          -1
          Yes, Lavrov is also a liberal. But he is at work, what he will be told, then he will say.
          1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
            Kofesan (Valery) 5 May 2022 20: 54
            +2
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            Yes, Lavrov is also a liberal. But he is at work, what he will be told, then he will say.

            sounds provocative...

            I think you yourself are well aware that:
            The same can be said about Medinsky or Peskov. Who would have paid attention to "Protruding Eyes" if they immediately, according to the letters on the printer that had not yet had time to dry, were given a cap for "amateur performance".

            But the truth is elsewhere. There is no way back. Anyone who makes a withdrawal of troops, even if staged, runs the risk of being reset to zero. With a clan, without a clan... With or without security... Just too bad threatens the entire population of Russia. Therefore, it is no longer important what the "elites" are motivated by. It doesn't matter, even with kicks, but they will move in the right direction. The time of "brilliant" and highly paid menekhers has passed, behind us is not even Moscow, but our lives with you, and the life or death of everyone, that is, all of Russia.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 09: 11
      0
      What claims do you have to Medinsky? Name at least one!
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 5 May 2022 12: 02
    +8
    The author, as usual, put everything on the shelves, but the main question remains, what role does the president himself play in the struggle of these towers, if the role of an arbiter, then this is at least a strange position in this situation, it would be time for him to decide, and not to portray idiotic HPP, especially since no one believes in them anymore
  3. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 5 May 2022 12: 10
    -4
    And why do we need all of Ukraine, and even more so Galicia, a hotbed of rabid Banderism, where from every corner they will shoot our guys in the back, and the occupation of it will cost us a lot of blood - stop at the border of 1939, strengthen it, and all things, our the guys already have enough work with the central regions of the former nenka, but you can’t do without SMERSH there, and it needs to be revived by all means - until the last "cache" of the Galician militants is destroyed, there will be no peace in the former Ukraine, but until that time, seeing such a "strange" sluggish war will not be very soon, and the time has come for us to take more serious measures "to exhort" our "partners from the West.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 5 May 2022 12: 56
      +3
      How do you propose to fortify the border so that it deters daily artillery and rocket attacks from Western-supplied weapons? The longer this issue is resolved, the more the West will produce weapons and supply them to the Ukrainians. Lose 200-300 people on the "fortified" border every day, is this your option?
      As long as there is at least a piece of Ukraine left on which to place Western weapons and use them against Russia, this will be done.
      God forbid that the war does not spill out beyond the borders of Ukraine, but this is no longer a very realistic scenario.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 5 May 2022 14: 15
      0
      Unfortunately, I must agree that Stalin is needed for the denazification of western Ukraine, but unfortunately he is not there now. Let Poland take all these Banderaites for itself and, as in the good old days, enjoy the Bandera atentates.
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 07
      +1
      Valentine.
      We need all of Ukraine because it is OUR Russian land. Galicia, as a hotbed of frenzied banditism, we also need in the form - when from behind every corner our guys will destroy these very frenzied ones. Remember - No man, no problem. No banderlogs, no problem! Or even simpler - Who is not with us is against us. Who will harm will be simply destroyed. There will definitely not be a second Stalin (who did not complete the deal with Bandera in Ukraine), and even more so a second Khrushchev (who granted amnesty to yesterday's Bandera and released him to freedom)!
  4. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 5 May 2022 12: 52
    +2
    That's right, comrade. Marzhetsky. Alas, that's right. Moreover, with the course of events, especially when Poland enters the borders, we will see that the war will spill out beyond the borders of Ukraine, cover Poland, Romania, and in any case NATO will enter there and Russia will have to at least go to the English Channel. Well, and, accordingly, to receive a nuclear strike from a brazenly grinning hegemon. This scenario was obvious from the very beginning, as soon as the West cut off its way back by starting arms supplies to Ukraine.
    This scenario can be prevented by the exclusion of Poland and now Romania from NATO, the probability of which is slightly higher than zero, or the World Revolution, which the Bolsheviks dreamed about for so long, the probability of which is not much higher, despite the huge number of lumpen proletarians both in Europe and in the USA .
    Well, the option remains to bang on the hegemon and the most rabid enemies of Russia with something that Putin is not going to brag about.
    Otherwise, there will be enough blood in the European theater of operations to fill the sea dug out by the Proto-Ukrainians.
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 5 May 2022 19: 33
      +1
      Bye:

      18.50 Member of the US Senate Tom Tillis: Finland and Sweden's official application for membership in NATO will be ready for the next summit of the alliance, scheduled for the end of June.

      18.45 Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Belarusian Armed Forces Ruslan Kosygin: NATO has doubled its forces in Eastern Europe, strike groups can be created near the borders of the Russian Federation and Belarus as soon as possible. The West, in fact, is preparing for the conduct of hostilities in the eastern direction.

      someone is conducting full-scale preparations, and someone is negotiating with the Nazis. In this case and in the current situation, negotiations are a sign of weakness and a reason for further pressure and increased military escalation from the West ....
      1. Avarron Offline Avarron
        Avarron (Sergei) 5 May 2022 22: 45
        +1
        Uuu ... Well, the more and more crowded they are, the easier it is to cover them with a volley launch.
        Eh, I know, there are edges, walk around, look, try where to hide from a volley of calibers from special. warhead, from the avant-gardes and other funny things.
        But everyone could go to open-airs together, drink beer, sausage, make friends.
        As the suicidal man said there, who unsuccessfully jumped off the bridge (or vice versa, successfully):

        When you jump off the bridge, you suddenly realize that all your problems are, in principle, solvable. Except for one thing - you're already flying off the bridge.

        I wonder if we're all flying off the bridge already?
    2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 May 2022 20: 24
      +2
      There won’t be enough strength to the English Channel, and the country’s leadership is too small. Here crests would be squeezed to the end
  5. qtfreet Offline qtfreet
    qtfreet (Stephen Hawkins) 5 May 2022 12: 55
    -3
    Some of my friends fell into despair....
    Like, they believe that the NWO is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to delay the inevitable death of Russia, and as a result, the gradual death of the entire non-Western world ... That we have already lost, that the fight against such absolute evil is futile. That the Lie that the West is spreading will sooner or later become the Truth only because there will be no one left alive who could reveal the real Truth.

    How to calm them down?
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 5 May 2022 14: 21
      +2
      It's not despair, it's despondency.

      Despondency refers to mortal sins. Mortal sin brings a person's soul into a state of spiritual death, when the opportunity to repent and change one's life is lost. Sadness and despondency are very close to despair and suicide; they are links in the same chain.

      The road will be mastered by the walking one, and it is high time to understand that:

      No one will give us deliverance:
      Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
      We will achieve liberation
      With his own hand.


      Doing something contrary is always harder than just falling into despair and despondency. It is clear that the Russian Federation is not the USSR, but still - then Germany and all of Europe were against the USSR, but no one became discouraged, but only hardened and made every effort not only to resist the entire united fascist Europe, but also to win! There is no other option.

      To become an optimist in the true sense of the word, one must experience despair and overcome it. Scriabin

      and you need to remember:

      Clearance appears precisely at the moment when it already seems that all efforts are in vain. D.H. Chase
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    2. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 5 May 2022 14: 27
      +1
      We will all die one way or another. But before that, you can either try to do something, or whine and let everything take its course.
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 May 2022 15: 03
      -3


      Everything is transient, only music is eternal. All will pass.
    4. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 15
      0
      gtfreet is very easy to calm down - go to Washington and kill Biden. Delov then. And all your friends can sleep peacefully!
  6. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 5 May 2022 12: 55
    +1
    Creation of ter.defense with hand weapons - a panacea for long-range systems?
    Why are Chechen formations involved in the battles on the territory of Ukraine, but not Ukrainian volunteers?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 May 2022 14: 31
      +1
      Creation of ter.defense with hand weapons - a panacea for long-range systems?

      Where is that written? TerO is to protect their cities from Ukrainian DRGs and other DRGs, to protect infrastructure, social facilities, to check on roads, to control borders, and so on. Secondary functions.

      Why are Chechen formations involved in the battles on the territory of Ukraine, but not Ukrainian volunteers?

      What kind of volunteers? Did Putin tell them what exactly they should fight for?
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 5 May 2022 15: 13
        0
        Auxiliary functions - with the threat of being hit by long-range artillery and missiles - are by no means a priority task.
        If Putin didn't tell the Chechens, why should he tell the Ukrainians?
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 23
        0
        Marzhetsky in his repertoire - how he blurts out that so at least fall.
        And what about Putin? And they are all fighting in order to destroy the existing system and its weapons throughout Ukraine.
        It's not clear... ne?
  7. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 May 2022 12: 57
    +4
    Quote from qtfreet
    Some of my friends fell into despair....
    Like, they believe that the NWO is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to delay the inevitable death of Russia, and as a result, the gradual death of the entire non-Western world ... That we have already lost, that the fight against such absolute evil is futile. That the Lie that the West is spreading will sooner or later become the Truth only because there will be no one left alive who could reveal the real Truth.

    How to calm them down?

    This should be done by Putin and no one else.
  8. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 5 May 2022 12: 59
    +5
    So far, all the observed events are playing into the hands of the United States in the first place, if anyone does not understand.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 May 2022 15: 06
      +1
      More like China.
  9. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 5 May 2022 14: 00
    +3
    And muddy negotiations with the "incapable of negotiating" continue every day:

    12.35 State Duma deputy Leonid Slutsky: Negotiations with Ukraine are going hard, representatives of Kyiv are "rolling back" the agreements reached.

    meanwhile:

    12.05 Governor of the Belgorod region: The shelling from the Ukrainian side has stopped, there are no casualties among the civilian population, 5 households are damaged (one house is badly destroyed) and power lines.

    the more Russian "diplomats" shuffle their feet in front of the Nazis, the more often they "fly" into Russian territory.
    This is facilitated by the sale of gas and oil to those who finance and supply Banderstadt, instead of turning off the valve:

    The head of the Austrian company OMV Alfred Stern: “I don’t think that today we are ready for an embargo [of Russian energy carriers]. Unless we're willing to accept the consequences. Because one thing needs to be clearly understood: our gas supply is provided not by our own production in Europe, but by supplies from Russia.”

    By the way, oil after processing comes from the west in trains to Ukraine. Without the supply of iPhones, Maserati and Parmesan, Russia will survive, but the EU is unlikely to be without gas.
    Meanwhile:

    Nail Mukhitov, Assistant Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation: Businessmen and showmen who abandoned Russia are traitors to the Motherland, they are not worth a hair of those who died during the special operation, the so-called Russian liberals turned out to be opportunists who parasitized Russians for many years.

    It sounds interesting from the lips of the assistant secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, who from 2012 to 2015 headed the security service of Rosneft, and before that he served as deputy head of the FSB’s own security department (CSS). And apparently, he did not suspect anything at all about the traitors and opportunists who "parasitized Russians for many years" ?! But now he is an assistant secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. By the way, everyone remembers the secretary of the Russian Security Council who, together with Medinsky, opened the board to Hitler's friend Mannerheim in St. Petersburg?! This does not add confidence in the country's security.

    13.20 Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for International Cultural Cooperation Mikhail Shvydkoy: The international humanitarian project "Minsk Initiative" can be resumed with the participation of Ukraine in the future. "We will all have to communicate with the Ukrainian intelligentsia, with the Ukrainian people, with Ukrainian citizens, writers. We will have to build a new level of dialogue," he noted. "If we want to have a neighbor next to Russia that is friendly, not hostile, then this project may be the most important."

    what intelligence? what writers? what Ukraine?! all normal (not even pro-Russian) representatives of the intelligentsia were wiped out in eight years, Neighbor in the face of Ukraine - which part of it? And most importantly - who prevented the last couple of decades from making Ukraine a "friendly neighbor"?! Recall that, in addition to other regalia and positions, Shvydkoi has been the Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for International Cultural Cooperation since 2008. Something of the results of his work, like earlier Zurabov, Chernomyrdin or all the heads of the notorious Rossotrudnichestvo, is not even visible to the armed eye?! Does a violin interfere with a bad musician?
    and another "blizzard" from the mustache:

    13.00 Dmitry Peskov about the photos of Anatoly Chubais from Israel that appeared on the Internet: “We have neither the ability nor the desire to follow his fate. It doesn't work for us."

    it sucks when there is no "opportunity" and "desire" to punish one of the most hated traitors and thieves to the Russian people, although .... this is their "son of a bitch", because who will punish him. And "he doesn't work for us" - it raises the question - why did he "work" for you at all and who kept him in high positions, and continues to "protect" the inviolable thief and ?!
    Officials in high positions are like those three monkeys - I see nothing, I hear nothing, I will not say anything ...
    The Russian people are capable of making the right choice, but with such passages and characters, one cannot be sure of the right result.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 5 May 2022 15: 42
      +3
      These negotiations are confirmation of what result Putin is striving for and which of the towers he supports, he himself is the first liberal of Russia
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 09: 00
        -1
        rotkiv04 If he were the last liberal, then they would come to you for your words in the morning and in the afternoon you would not be there at all and nowhere at all and never. Stalin, it seems, was not a liberal.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 32
      -1
      Russian people? Et who? Are you? Listen to you, so everyone against the wall. You don’t accidentally aim for the presidency, save the Russian people from such a scourge.
      But tell me, how would you behave in negotiations? Is it really not clear that no matter what you do or say, a certain stratum of the "Russian people" would in any case be dissatisfied. Yes, and it would be time to understand already that negotiations are not being conducted with Ukraine!
  10. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 May 2022 14: 58
    -7
    I see the author began to spread defeatist sentiments.
    With what fright does the author consider Medinsky to be a representative of the liberal faction in the elites? I would understand if he named Gref, Kudrin or Nabiullina. Of course, some of them are liberals, like a horse from a cow, but at least some semblance. But Medinsky .... even from a big hangover it is impossible to discern a liberal in him. He is the right of the right. Actually Medinsky is a modern Suslov, responsible for the formation of the ideology of the Russian Federation. He paired with Kireenko and shaped the modern views of Putin's elite. Plus Surkov, but he is not in favor now.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 May 2022 15: 10
      +3
      I see the author began to spread defeatist sentiments.

      Liberal liars turn everything upside down. As always.

      With what fright does the author consider Medinsky to be a representative of the liberal faction in the elites? I would understand if he named Gref, Kudrin or Nabiullina. Of course, some of them are liberals, like a horse from a cow, but at least some semblance. But Medinsky .... even from a big hangover it is impossible to discern a liberal in him.

      Funny.

      He is the right of the right.

      Right and left should not be confused. smile
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 May 2022 15: 24
        -7
        Victory or surrender: Russia needs to make a confident choice

        The very posing of the question is defeatism.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Liberal liars turn everything upside down. As always.

        You, as always, cannot prove that I am lying. I expect an apology, as from a decent person. Although what am I talking about.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Funny.

        Absolutely not funny. In Russia, the right is in power, increasingly shifting to the extreme right. This is very sad.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Right and left should not be confused.

        Want to say Medina Left? Or are you joking so well?
        1. Fourth Offline Fourth
          Fourth (Fourth) 5 May 2022 16: 57
          +3
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          The very posing of the question is defeatism.

          Before that, you claimed that the author was spreading defeatist sentiments. The author has answered you. But even after that, you keep arguing. Do you think you know his thoughts better than he?
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 May 2022 21: 32
            -6
            Quote: Fourth
            Before that, you claimed that the author was spreading defeatist sentiments. The author has answered you.

            Hmmm ... Do you understand what you wanted to say? I do not pretend to read the author's thoughts. I'm saying that the choice itself, provided by the author:

            Victory or surrender: Russia needs to make a confident choice

            decadent. He does not say what is needed to win, he says that Russia has not yet made a choice between victory and surrender.
            1. Fourth Offline Fourth
              Fourth (Fourth) 8 May 2022 17: 54
              +1
              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              Hmmm ... Do you understand what you wanted to say?

              You impose on me not my thoughts. Don't try other people's patience.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2022 20: 27
                -3
                Quote: Fourth
                You impose on me not my thoughts.

                I do not impose my opinion on anyone. I just express it.

                Quote: Fourth
                Don't try other people's patience.

                But the fact that?
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 8 May 2022 21: 46
                  +1
                  Oleg Rambover, eccentric, you yourself said that you understand your opponent’s thoughts better than he does. Let me also express my opinion, you are a very limited person. yes
        2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 May 2022 07: 58
          +1
          The very posing of the question is defeatism.

          Not at all. This is an explanation to readers of the situation in which the country finds itself.

          You, as always, cannot prove that I am lying. I expect an apology, as from a decent person. Although what am I talking about.

          What? Oleg, I am still waiting for your x apologies for spreading deliberately false information to me that I allegedly wrote that we would defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 0 hours.

          Absolutely not funny. In Russia, the right is in power, increasingly shifting to the extreme right. This is very sad.

          You, Russian liberals, are just hiding behind the so-called. "liberal values", but inside you are extremely close to the Ukrainian Nazis. Literally 1 step.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 May 2022 12: 07
            -1
            Not at all. This is an explanation to readers of the situation in which the country finds itself.

            I vividly imagine what would have happened to you in the year 1941 for such a headline.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            What? Oleg, I am still waiting for your x apologies for spreading deliberately false information to me that I allegedly wrote that we would defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 0 hours.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            And indeed, in 10 hours, this can probably be done by disorganizing the offensive and defensive potential of the enemy. But what's next? Will military victory be secured legally and politically?

            Didn't you write this? Or were you forced? Or are you misunderstood?

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            You, Russian liberals, are just hiding behind the so-called. "liberal values", but inside you are extremely close to the Ukrainian Nazis. Literally 1 step.

            I don't know what views the mythical Ukrainian Nazis hold, but I think I can find a few of your statements that are quite fascist. And you will not be able to find not one of mine that will pull on fascism. So take a look in the mirror first before blaming anyone. For some calls to an imperialist war, you will burn in fiery hell.
            Have you looked inside liberals? Everyone? Did you read their minds? You have some kind of irrational hatred of liberals based on about nothing.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 8 May 2022 14: 16
              +2
              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              I don't know what views the mythical Ukrainian Nazis hold...



              Will these shots help you see? smile

              PS You can't be unaware of the Nazis in Ukraine, so lying again. laughing
      2. Fourth Offline Fourth
        Fourth (Fourth) 5 May 2022 17: 02
        0
        Sergey, it must be difficult for you to communicate with a nest of liberal "values"?
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 May 2022 07: 54
          +2
          Sergey, it must be difficult for you to communicate with a nest of liberal "values"?

          Yeah, through a slight disgust, to be honest.
      3. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
        Observer2014 5 May 2022 19: 06
        +1
        And what is the meaning of what is happening? Do not confuse or confuse everything that is happening? Yes, such shit dissolved in a clean river in the entire history of mankind is still to be looked for. How is it possible? There is always a choice!
      4. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 38
        -1
        Good Mr. Marzhetsky, it's probably time to ask you if you understand what liberalism is, and specifically what liberals are. And it seems to me that you all who hate are classified as liberals. What is the essence of your claims? Why did the liberals not please you that you put this clemo on someone who is not right. You are a liberal to the core. Or do you not know about it? Read then your opuses here.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 May 2022 07: 53
          +1
          You are a liberal to the core. Or do you not know about it? Read then your opuses here.

          Am I liberal? laughing
          You have porridge in your head. I am a person of diametrically opposed leftist views. And all my articles are about this (opus is a piece of music, I don't compose it).

          What is the essence of your claims? Why did the liberals not please you that you put this clemo on someone who is not right.

          The essence of the claims is that the liberals have ruined the economy and industry of my country, and also pour false dirt on the history of my country.

          probably it's time to ask you if you understand what liberalism and specifically liberals are.

          I understand too well yes
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 23: 12
            0
            Have the liberals ruined the economy? And where were the leftists - the communists? Where were you at this time?
            And pliz, examples of pouring false mud on my history (judging by your words - your country)
            "I know too well" is not the answer. I asked about the foundation, and you answer what color it is!
            If you were on the left, you would understand that there is a right to choose - the freedom of choice of every citizen in any area of ​​​​his activity, but ... within the framework of the Law! If you use the right to vote while allowing your own free fabrication without looking back - is it possible to say this or that, thereby often distorting the facts, then this is no longer freedom, but permissiveness. And this is precisely the principles of freedom in everything that is, a sign of liberalism. What the hell are you then? Must remember - Are you against the line of the Party?
            Everyone can express their opinion, but only on the basis of facts, and not their own conclusions, which is sometimes not true.
            And once again I repeat Opus is any work, including literary. At the same time, in the literature, this definition, as a rule, has an ironic or negative connotation.
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 May 2022 12: 30
            0
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            You have porridge in your head. I am a person of diametrically opposed leftist views. And all my articles are about this (opus is a piece of music, I don't compose it).

            Fascism has diametrically opposed views in relation to liberalism. The Social Democrats have very similar views to the liberals. The fundamental difference is only in matters of ownership of the means of production.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            The essence of the claims is that the liberals have ruined the economy and industry of my country, and also pour false dirt on the history of my country.

            I don't know what country you're from, but Russia has never been ruled by liberals. For the last hundred years we have been ruled by communists or ex-communists (turned right). The state monopoly capitalism that has now been built in Russia cannot by any means be called the dream of a liberal. Even the Chinese economy is much more liberal than the Russian one. I don’t know what the “liberals” did with history there, but it’s not for a follower of the communists to talk about distorting history.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            I understand too well

            Apparently, you don’t understand what the left is (they cannot, by definition, call for an imperialist war, they cannot call for the closure of the media, if you call it is no longer left), but where can you understand what liberalism is.
  11. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 May 2022 15: 41
    0
    As they called it in the old book, old school politics.
    Mix your interests and the interests of Russia.

    But in reality, everything is separate: The interests of the Kremlin, which he does not ask anyone about during implementation, the interests of Russia, which are remembered from above only when it is beneficial for the Kremlin, and the interests of people whom they talk about, but ignore.

    Capitalism, classic
  12. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 5 May 2022 17: 39
    +3
    In the meantime, unnecessary negotiations are "muted":

    The militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine recorded a video message to the Russian soldiers, in which they stated that they no longer intend to take Russians prisoner and will shoot the military of the RF Armed Forces on the spot at the first opportunity. “This nation must be destroyed. And all our military, all our people know that none of the Russian military should be taken prisoner, ”it says, in particular, in it. Free press

    and if the "destruction of the nation" is not genocide and not a war of annihilation, then what is it ?! and what kind of negotiations can there be at all?! Negotiations with the Nazis - after all the statements and actions of the Nazis of all stripes - from Ze to the Vushniks - is already just meanness and betrayal in relation to the Russian people and the Russian army, not to mention the inhabitants of Donbass and Ukraine, who died from shelling and were tortured by Bandera.
    Or we or they, the third is not given!
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 5 May 2022 18: 18
      +1
      Federal Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz: Sanctions against Russia can be lifted only after consultations with the Ukrainian side.

      What a blow to the proud Teutonic nation. Neither to the left nor to the right without the consent of the no less "proud" Svidomites-Bandera. And this is after the German president was declared undesirable in Ukraine, and the chancellor was called "offended liver sausage"?) However:

      German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier had a telephone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the press service of the German President said. , - the message says.TASS

      How strong is the desire of German officials to harm Russia (of their own free will or at the behest of the states, it is not so important), that the interests of Banderstadt for them turned out to be higher than national pride and the interests of their own people.
      meanwhile:

      17.15 The US Treasury excluded transactions related to the protection of intellectual property in the United States and Russia from sanctions against the Russian Federation.

      Remarkable. Let the EU suffer, but the US is well settled. They give us sanctions, the supply of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine, as a result of which Russian soldiers and officers die, and Russia gives them oil, gas, and Russia will now have to protect their rights and property?! How convenient and good. And judging by the behavior of German bureaucrats, it may very well be.
      For the Russian people and the army are one thing, but the "army" of bureaucrats and "negotiators" is another.
      and while someone is conducting murky negotiations:

      Italian Defense Minister Lorenzo Guerini: The Republic will continue to provide military support to Ukraine, including by supplying it with installations to neutralize firing points.

      French President Emmanuel Macron: France will increase aid to Ukraine from 1,7 billion to 2 billion euros.

      such "cute and fluffy" not so long ago "colleagues and partners".

      Deputy head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture Larisa Petasyuk: The department is working on the removal of Russian literature from library funds, first of all, books will be withdrawn, the content of which is aimed at eliminating the independence of Ukraine, propaganda of “war”, denial of the “temporary occupation” of part of the territory of Ukraine, glorification of “Russian occupiers” , in addition, books, publishers and authors subject to sanctions, as well as writers who publicly supported the “aggression against Ukraine” will be banned.

      And here with these about something else to speak?!
      and in response another .. from the Duma:

      The State Duma explained how to prevent Ukraine's counteroffensive in July. “The special operation must be completed and the goals set must be achieved, but it is necessary, probably, to act more decisively. Nothing to look back. Weapons have crossed the border, which means they must be destroyed immediately, but we have high-precision weapons, ”said Viktor Sobolev, member of the State Duma Committee on Defense

      what a discovery of a "servant of the people" in the third month of the NWO! About "more decisively" and "we have high-precision weapons." Just congenial, Kitty! Maybe "do not allow a counteroffensive" by issuing another Duma resolution?!
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 46
      0
      Ivan, the thing is that we are not Nazis.
      Do you want us to take no prisoners too?
      How will we be better than the Nazis then?
      I hope that you are not a Nazi.
  13. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 May 2022 18: 11
    +1
    Victory or surrender: Russia needs to make a confident choice

    There is always a choice. Well, for example, forced preliminary voting for the EP! wassat laughing :
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 07: 50
      -2
      Observer, who do you want to vote for?
      For example, no one can force me to vote against my will. If you vote for another party, this is your free choice! What is the problem? Or were you forced to vote for the EP? If so, that's what prosecutors are for.
  14. Aleks_3 Offline Aleks_3
    Aleks_3 (Alexander Kutlin) 5 May 2022 19: 41
    0
    It is necessary to introduce martial law so that the liberals could not rock the boat, we must finally show determination.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 49
      0
      Alex, do you propose to outlaw the LDPR?
  15. stim Offline stim
    stim (Sergei) 5 May 2022 19: 41
    -1
    War to the bitter end!!!
    And what will we get? Devastated Ukraine. Millions died on both sides. Completely destroyed Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Lvov, I deliberately do not list the cities of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics, since this is not Ukraine. Who will restore it? The question is rhetorical, of course Russia. But that is not all. It is necessary that other countries recognize our victory, the USA, the EEC, the UN, do they recognize such a victory, against the backdrop of smoking ruins? The answer is obvious - they do not recognize it, and for many years Russia turns into a pariah country.
    But Russia is lucky, it is headed by sane people who are guided not by emotions and abstract ideas, but by cold calculation.
    How I see it:
    The NWO continues until Ukraine recognizes the independence of the LDNR and Crimea as Russian. Ukraine agrees to be a neutral, non-nuclear, demilitarized state. The countries that are members of the UN Security Council, which sign a legally binding treaty, become the guarantors of Ukraine's security.
    Fantasy! Far from it, work on such an agreement is underway, and Ukraine agreed to sign it a month ago, if not for NATO and the EEC with their military assistance. After all, in fact, what is Ukraine losing? Territories with a population disloyal to her, which she has not controlled for eight years.
    For more than two months, Russia has been under sanctions, but so far it has not taken any action to stop oil and gas supplies to the EEC countries, Western countries are reaping the benefits of their sanctions, concerns that are forced to curtail their mutually beneficial activities in Russia are counting losses, inflation is growing and the standard of living of the population falls. But these are still flowers. On May 3, the President of Russia signed the Decree "On the application of retaliatory special economic measures in connection with the unfriendly actions of certain foreign states and international organizations", which actually imposes Russian sanctions against Western companies, which will further worsen the economic situation in the EEC countries, but not in all, but only in those who commit unfriendly actions against Russia, pumping Ukraine with weapons. The governments of these countries will soon have to explain to their populations why they are suffering economic difficulties because of Ukraine, which, by the way, has not declared war on Russia. A new stage begins, the stage of economic coercion of countries hostile to Russia to peace, and Russia has every chance to win it, especially since the alternative to this is a nuclear war in Europe.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 May 2022 07: 49
      +1
      Oh, the new training manual arrived in time for the guards. Sadly.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 02
      -2
      Stim
      About any Ukraine that was no longer will be at the end of the operation, which means that Russia will not care if the state recognizes something non-existent in nature or not. Nobody canceled, besides, the red lines that our president defined - the return of NATO to the 1979 borders. And this is the collapse of NATO to the level of non-resistance. So, if by this time the Americans do not understand why the pound is dashing, we will denazify and demilitize America. For this, Russia will need a couple of hours at the most.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 May 2022 08: 58
        0
        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        For this, Russia will need a couple of hours at the most.

        Yes Yes Yes. Ukraine was promised to be denazified and demilitized within 10 hours.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 7 May 2022 13: 27
          +1
          Who promised?
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 May 2022 14: 00
            -1
            https://life.ru/p/1450659

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            And indeed, in 10 hours, this can probably be done by disorganizing the offensive and defensive potential of the enemy. But what's next? Will military victory be secured legally and politically?
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 8 May 2022 14: 02
              0
              Oleg Rambover, the link is broken, and there is no promise in the quote. What's wrong with you, lying again? laughing

              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              They promised to denazify and demilitize Ukraine within 10 hours.
  16. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 5 May 2022 20: 19
    -3
    Dear author. Having started reading the article, after a couple of minutes I realized who its author was, and I was not mistaken ... well, you don’t like Russia, you just hide it behind cleverly constructed lines and expressions ... but don’t disguise yourself - those who don’t loves his country, you can see it right away, especially in your expressions, such as: galoshes and so on, (speaking of aviation ...)
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 May 2022 07: 50
      +1
      You are a guardian who measures everyone by himself.
      I love my country, I only dislike liberals and guardians. You are 2 sides of the same coin to me.
      1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
        Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 6 May 2022 09: 40
        -1
        I have been reading all your statements here for a long time, I will not hide, there are sound thoughts, but lately you have really shown yourself, it's just impossible to hide, you hate Russia and Russian people ... . And about who you think I am, I somehow care very little ... because there is truth and it exists regardless of who, how and what they think about it ...
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 13
      -1
      Sergey Pavlenko, I agree with you one hundred percent!
  17. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 5 May 2022 20: 40
    +3
    The trouble is that the legal issue of ownership of the territories of the former republics of the Soviet Union, including Ukraine, has not been resolved. The territory of Ukraine, whose property is this? Just not Kyiv, that is. draw. All documents for the territory are fake.
    It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia. Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia. The presence of the Law will not allow the entry of troops of Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of the territory of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    For example, in 2005, China passed the "Law on Anti-Secession of the State." According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
    The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows the enemies of Russia to interpret the ongoing military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia and allows NATO countries to annex this no man's territory.
  18. Poligraf Poligrafovich (Vadim Vorobyov) 5 May 2022 21: 01
    +3
    ... It was he who nailed the "rubber product n2" board to Mannerheim in Leningrad? Well, the question is for this type ... Finns are breaking into NATO, and you are installing boards for those who held the blockade? What is it? When will SMERSH work?
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 16
      -1
      Polygraph you do not know History well. Therefore, such statements. Many white officers went over to the side of the Reds, should they also be forgotten?
  19. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 5 May 2022 21: 29
    0
    now there is a huge pressure on Russia, they are trying to intimidate it. Already on the SNN they are talking about the possibility of connecting NATO brigades to the war on an indefinite status, something like "volunteers". Of course, that’s nonsense, because air support will be from NATO territory. All this poker is possible, an attempt to throw Russia off balance, to encourage her to make a mistake and rush forward without looking back ...
    It makes no sense to rush anywhere, the main thing is to keep your losses as low as possible, and the losses of the enemy ...

    on the one hand, there is a need to destroy combat-ready and motivated forces. As long as they exist, there will be no victory or reconciliation. On the other hand, bringing fire damage to the maximum capabilities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Aerospace Forces, simply by creating the largest possible flow of 200 Ukrainians without military necessity, will make reconciliation extremely difficult, this will create a huge gap between the two peoples, a lot of hatred.

    Now Azovstal, what is left inside, creates an image of a still living Ukrainian Nazism. It's like a living Adolf in his bunker - while he's alive, the Third Reich lives. When Azovstal falls and all the evil spirits there will be presented in the sunlight, the perception of the situation on all sides will change. It will be a symbolic event, the destruction of the most frostbitten Nazis in Ukraine.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 22
      0
      There are no gaps between the two peoples. There is a people who could not resist the fascist ideology and there is a people who came to save another people from the Nazis. If anyone will then dig this abyss will be destroyed.
  20. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
    Neville Stator (Neville Stator) 5 May 2022 21: 35
    +3
    Very good article. For Russia, victory in this war is a matter of survival.
    Give the army complete freedom of action to wage a total war, otherwise Russia is in danger of catastrophe.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 24
      0
      What does it mean - give the Army complete freedom of action?
      How do you imagine it? Refuse the Army from the laws of war? Are you from the Armed Forces by any chance?
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 7 May 2022 13: 32
        0
        And these daily ceasefires, can you imagine this during the Second World War?
  21. Ten canarias Offline Ten canarias
    Ten canarias (Ten Canarias) 5 May 2022 22: 51
    0
    Russia needs to make a confident choice

    - sounds very abstract... The choice will be made by a small group of people, or even one person, denounced by a huge power. And then this choice will be called the choice of Russia? No, this is not the choice of the people! Maybe the choice of these leaders will be good, right, or maybe tragically wrong. Again, the notorious role of the individual in history...
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 30
      +1
      Ten, Why don't you be that person? Or is it easier to judge people who are not responsible for anything, without taking any responsibility? The people chose the government. So the power of the people is-Russia. Only a person who is chosen by 80% of the people can have great power! No one else from the people.
  22. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 6 May 2022 02: 45
    0
    unfortunately Ukrainians are really embittered at Russia. It may not be so much from a small mind and propaganda, because before the start of the operation, how much was the rating of the green clown? 20%? Ukrainians are embittered because Russia put an end to Ukraine with its operation. Big, fat, black cross. The economy, the political system, the whole society and the whole country have turned into a ball of hatred, lawlessness and violence. Investments in Ukraine? Business? Politics? Everywhere you look, the prospects are gloomy.

    Ukraine hit economic bottom even before the operation. A GDP per capita of $3.700 is tin, real tin. Moldova has 4.500, Russia has 11.000, Germany has 45.000...and this is before the operation, 2021.

    The country lived on hopes, which are now over. And from this, everyone is simply overwhelmed with anger. Everything was already very gloomy, and now it's just hell. Life in a promising state with nice people and a completely sane government that cares about Ukrainians and thinks about the future of the country.

    All this hatred is converted into the hope that the West will save the country. But the West says to the Ukrainians - guys, happiness is not far off, you only need to defeat the RF Armed Forces. Nothing else, honestly! Just win and everything will be fine. Dawn will come. The sun will rise. Have you completed the EU accession questionnaire? Well, you see! In the meantime, here is a weapon for you on credit, do not forget to transfer the interest on the debts and give us your grain for a start.

    How long they will endure is hard to say. Climbing there now is very dangerous for Russia. We need to catch the moment when the regions with a more or less adequate perception of reality themselves begin to understand that the future with Russia is just something promising. Now a lot will depend on how the West will be ready to allocate funds for the maintenance of Ukraine, how the Russian economy will hold out. When other "events" will begin in the world besides Ukraine (and they will not take long when countries begin to understand the various needs to act). How are things going in the EU? How will Biden be in November.

    How everything will be, now it is generally impossible to imagine. Occupying Ukraine is a huge loss, an embittered population (who will think that Russia is stealing their chance to get something from the west there, a reward for 8 years of hell).

    Let the regions decide for themselves with whom they will be along the way. The main thing for the rest of Ukraine is not to climb with weapons in the hands of the territory of Ukraine, which has already decided that they want to be with Russia. Not a very simple formula, but the conflict is not simple either.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 08: 42
      +1
      And how much did the West allocate to Ukraine for its economy in 30 years after the collapse of the USSR? Billions of dollars were allocated for the war and the ideology of anti-Russia. All. Embittered population? The vast majority of the population greets our soldiers as liberators. Nobody will allow the West to enter this territory with any awards. Although there are rumors (there will be no further rumors) about the notorious Marshall Plan. What will be the conditions ... Find out in tyrnet. Excluded.
  23. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 6 May 2022 21: 12
    +1
    Our president just needs to decide - he is with us or with the oligarchs, and the Medina ones are a trifle. If we lose, then Putin will have the most pain, the whole West hates him, and we are just Rusnya. Either we advance along all borders, including Crimea, or we will be dishonored further. When there was the USSR, its military potential could occupy Western Europe within a month, and what do we see now? Ramzan Kadyrova, respected by me, also suggested this. Please understand me correctly, our soldiers, officers and generals fight courageously and professionally, but do not it is possible to break through a concrete wall with your head, which is what they are doing now. Several groups would be more effective, would force the enemy to disperse their forces, and what we see now, it feels like we are waiting for something.
  24. guest Offline guest
    guest 7 May 2022 13: 19
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    I don't know what country you're from, but Russia has never been ruled by liberals.

    You're either too young, or you overslept the 90s.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 May 2022 14: 06
      -1
      I am well-read enough to understand that the old communist Yeltsin was never a liberal, which he showed in the 1996 elections and in 1993 crushing the parliament with tanks. Just like the general secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, who remained a communist to the end, he was never a liberal.
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 7 May 2022 15: 26
        +2
        Yeltsin hated the communists, he first of all banned the Communist Party and tried to carry out some kind of decommunization, in short he was the Russian version of Poroshenko.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2022 11: 59
          -2
          Yeltsin was a communist most of his life. An attempt to ban the Communist Party does not make him a liberal, rather the opposite.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 8 May 2022 13: 55
            +2
            Oleg Rambover, your liberal position to evade responsibility looks miserable. smile
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 8 May 2022 21: 58
              +1
              The position of a liberal always looks like this.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2022 22: 26
                -3
                So far your position looks like this. You couldn't say anything intelligible.
                1. guest Offline guest
                  guest 8 May 2022 22: 36
                  -1
                  Well, I've put everything on the shelves for you, but it doesn't reach you.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 May 2022 23: 02
                    -2
                    On what shelves, what nonsense? One more time for you. Just because you think Yeltsin hated communists doesn't make him a liberal. What do you not understand here? Your shelf is broken.

                    That's great dear isofat he said, it's a pity he doesn't apply it to himself.

                    Quote: isofat
                    The dumber a person, the faster he condescends to insults.
                    1. guest Offline guest
                      guest 8 May 2022 23: 31
                      -1
                      The fact that Yeltsin hated the Communists is not my opinion, but a fact. Yes, and he behaved the same way as Poroshenko
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 May 2022 13: 20
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                        Come on, at that time the communists were the only real political force capable of defeating him in the elections. And she would have won if it were not for Zyuganov's betrayal. So it's just "business", nothing personal.
                        In any case, hating the communists does not make him a liberal.
                        Admit it, you don't know who liberals are.
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 8 May 2022 22: 35
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                guest, he does not pull on a liberal. Somehow given enough, this fruit wanted to chop off a piece of our history. I think that this is a representative of the "indigenous" peoples of Ukraine, now living in St. Petersburg. yes
                1. guest Offline guest
                  guest 8 May 2022 22: 39
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                  How it pulls. Although you can explain what you mean by the word liberal.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 8 May 2022 23: 26
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                    guest, people have chosen certain values, called them liberal and try to stick to them. It's a way of life.

                    The behavior of the person about whom we judge does not correspond to the declared way of life. hi
  25. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 10 May 2022 21: 17
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Come on, at that time the communists were the only real political force capable of defeating him in the elections. And she would have won if it were not for Zyuganov's betrayal

    So straight? Yeltsin and Chubais came to ZY and crawled on their knees, begging to sell Russia, and ZY thought and agreed to sell ..... eklmn .... and it's like an adult person talks?

    By the way, in March 1996, it was the WJ who initiated and adopted in the State Duma of the Russian Federation a resolution on the illegitimacy of the Bialowieza treaty and the presence of corpus delicti in the actions of the EBN.
    In my early years, until 1991, I respected my compatriots, it was such a sin! But after 1991, it greatly decreased ... and over the next 30, not a damn thing was left of the former respect ......
  26. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 11 May 2022 19: 46
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    Here a small discussion arose about who the liberals are and whether they exist or not in Russia. I believe that if you do not touch on the issue of the self-name "liberal" for some (small) part of our citizens, but look at the socio-economic policy, then it is easy to see that it is quite neo-liberal with minor exceptions (with all the ensuing consequences for very many dear Russians )...