In search of the "fifth column". Why the "guardians" opposed the liberals


Looking for someone to blame for what is happening around Ukraine, the so-called "guardians" are now squabbling publicly with domestic liberals. Various scoundrels cut the wheels on cars with Z symbols and attack people who supported the military special operation with their fists. So who is really to blame that everything suddenly became so bad?


Ukraine and the dramatic events taking place there, as well as how our country has reacted to them since 2014, have become the breaking point of Russian society. If we have already undertaken to look for the guilty, then let's designate the main actors in this internal Russian conflict.

"Liberda"


Naturally, pro-Western domestic liberals did not support the special operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine. But they also categorically opposed Moscow’s interference in the events in the Ukrainian capital in 2014, when the Maidan could be dispersed by the forces of one regiment of the Russian OMON, attached to help the legitimate President Yanukovych, restoring constitutional order. They were actively drowning in order to fulfill the Minsk agreements as soon as possible, dropping the Donbass they did not need and the millions of Russian people living there to be punished by the Nazi regime.

So who are they, Russian liberals?

In more detail about what they really are, we talked back in peacetime in an article under the heading "On the dark side of Russian liberalism." If you wish, you can view it at link or refresh your memory. The author of these lines himself divides Russian liberals into three main categories for himself.

First - these are direct Enemies, characters like Anatoly Chubais, who have always clearly realized that they are working against their own country, destroying it from within economic way of life Now the place of Chubais, who hurried away to sunny Italy, has been taken by the "collective Medinsky", stubbornly trying to negotiate with the collective West through "UkroReich".

The second - these are the so-called "old anti-Soviet". These are people who could not take place even under the USSR with its social elevators, or who were very offended by him because they were somehow somehow bypassed somewhere. For example, they did not get a garage, as was shown in the brilliant Soviet film of the same name. Having carried a grudge through their lives, these ungrateful liberal anti-Soviet people who received free higher education, medical care, guaranteed jobs and housing under the USSR, are now pouring mud on their former homeland.

The third - these are “naive young men and young ladies”, who, until recently, have been spudded by Yurka Dud and other liberal propagandists like him. Unlike the older generation, they no longer shine with a systematic quality education. The vile libels of anti-Soviet people, like Solzhenitsyn or Rezun (Suvorov), are brought down on young minds, not trained in critical thinking, even in schools, then they are taken over by television and cinema, filming sheer anti-Sovietism. In contrast to the Darkness, which is portrayed as the USSR and its legal successor, the Russian Federation, they are shown the Light in the face of the Western world. If you also fly on a tour package somewhere in the USA or Europe, then it becomes completely clear to young people that "Rashka is not that." And here is Yurka Dud, behind whom stood the oligarch Khodorkovsky, with his own: "Capitalism, happiness ...". However, due to inexperience, “naive young men and women” often confuse tourism with emigration, and these are two big differences.

And you can also single out the so-called “creative intelligentsia”, among which there are “old anti-Soviet people”, like Pugacheva or Rotaru, and “naive youths” - young actors and popular singers who are now actively pouring dirt on their country. Many of them have second passports or a residence permit in the West, expensive real estate and bank accounts there, friends among the Ukrainian stage. "Rashka" for them is a place where they just earn money, and we, the rest of the Russians, are just a source of money for these people.

Do Russian liberals need Ukraine, Donbass and all this special operation with its anti-Russian sanctions? Didn't give up. They always drowned against, and the "collective Medinsky" will try to merge the achievements obtained by the blood of Russian soldiers to the end. Let us recall the recent withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions, where the Ukrainian Nazis immediately staged the “Massacre in Bucha”.

"Guardians"


"Guardians" are people who are ready to support the current government, no matter what it does: both good and bad. Anyone who dares to say something against is automatically recorded as an enemy and "agents of the State Department." According to the author of the lines, the "guardians" are divided into two unequal categories.

First - These are the "guards" on the salary. These are official propagandists, like Vladimir Solovyov and Margarita Simonyan, who are able to easily "change shoes on the fly", substantiating diametrically opposed positions. Now Solovyov is actively drowning for the Donbass and against Ukraine, but the Internet remembers how Vladimir Rudolfovich denied the very possibility of returning Crimea to Russia and told the Russian residents of the DPR and LPR that they had not been promised anything.



The second group of “guardians” are voluntary assistants to official propagandists who are ready to justify any decisions, actions or inaction of the authorities for free. Why are there so many people like this? Perhaps because they do not want to think for themselves and be responsible for their own decisions and actions, and therefore they are ready to delegate the right to think and decide everything for them to some kind of “superpower” in the Kremlin, which knows and understands everything better than any smart people from the Internet . "Guardians" can be both useful to the country when it is necessary to rally around the central government, and harmful when its actions or inactions are frankly wrong.

Surprisingly, from 2014 to February 24, 2022, both the “guardians” and the liberals were in the same trench, defending Russia’s non-interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, stigmatizing those of their compatriots as “State Department agents” who tried to convince them of the need to eliminate the Nazi regime in Kyiv, not allowing it to gain a foothold. But no: the liberals argued that we can’t win the West in principle, and therefore it’s better to surrender in advance, and the “guards” joyfully “gurgled”, throwing their hats, believing that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation could disperse the Armed Forces of Ukraine at any moment.

And what do we see? Joint and several public responsibility for everything that is happening in Ukraine now lies simultaneously with the liberals and the “guardians”, in the proportion of 50% to 50%. And there is no need to look for “extreme” here now, trying, as they say, “to switch the arrows”.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 May 2022 10: 49
    -8
    Various scoundrels cut the wheels on cars with Z symbols and attack people who supported the military special operation with their fists.

    Come on! The howl would be to heaven. Liberals Kagoto beat there in Russia!

    so far the opposite is true. Only liberals bear losses, because they can’t rock the boat - they’ll put them in jail. And the guards will be covered.

    Recall:
    For a long time: A rally in defense of a football fan killed by a Chechen.
    Organizers, wrote, transplanted.
    Caught Guards provocateurs (pro-fascists under uniform) from a rally - zero reaction

    defenders of Khimki Forest: 2:0
    1 activist killed and 1 crippled for life, and no losses among officials.

    Bulk. He sits cute. although he did not spray anyone with green paint.
    And those who sprinkled brilliant green in his eyes, in the back, doused him with water and treated his underpants are successful people, and the names are known.

    dispersal of a rally of liberals with whips!!! Cossacks-Chopovtsy NOD !!! with skulls on the chevrons and the inscription (a la SS and the Black Hundred, you understand ...) !!! - They easily scolded, they say, where you climb, the riot police did an excellent job ...

    And so on: Yekaterinburg, communists, etc. They clear all those who are not their own.
    Even Ulyukaeva's strays, the lady who eliminated the "drunk boy", brave animal hunters from the Red Book, etc., are released.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 May 2022 11: 03
      +7
      What is all this for? Liberals don't beat anyone, they want to go under the west. Sislibs help this by ruining the economy and washing away the youth.
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 1 May 2022 11: 38
        +5
        And who ruined our economy, these are those who protested on the streets or who sit in the country's leadership
        1. Victorio Offline Victorio
          Victorio (Victorio) 1 May 2022 13: 26
          +3
          Quote: aslan642
          And who ruined our economy, this those who protested on the streets or who sits in the leadership of the country

          come to power, those who are from the street, then the economy, I'm afraid, did not exist at all. and Ukraine is the clearest example of this (
      2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 May 2022 22: 47
        -3
        Dialectics for May 1.

        Liberals ... they want to go under the west

        - the coolest liberal, according to the Kremlin - GDP with friends, they also export resources to the West (the media only report about this), write textbooks, supposedly without the Battle of Kursk, and import finished products (and suddenly sanctions)

        So who then is beaten if all the achievements are the export of resources?
    2. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) 1 May 2022 13: 15
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      And those who splashed brilliant green in his eyes, in his back, poured water over him and processed underpants - successful people, and the names are known.

      I need some details. Do you know who "processed" Navalny and his underpants and became a successful person? directly suspicious awareness)
    3. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
      Spasatel 1 May 2022 17: 15
      -10
      Correctly you think! You can put it even better. The surname Navalny for many is like a red rag for a bull. These unfortunate patriots will throw "minuses" at you. Navalny was of great benefit - he brought the thieves to the public. The authorities, of course, did not like this situation, so they isolated him. Only the stupidity of these same "patriots" is surprising - not to see anything further than their own nose.
      Seemingly, apparently, will be in the basements after a nuclear war ...
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      2. GIS Offline GIS
        GIS (Ildus) 2 May 2022 10: 04
        +2
        unfortunately, bulk is the same as Chubais - he is the destroyer of the country from the inside.
        and about his "reportings", or rather their payment for publication (or a bribe for not publishing) ... well, a thief, he is a thief, and it’s right that he is in prison
    4. Zwain Offline Zwain
      Zwain (Zwain) 3 May 2022 07: 49
      0
      found the "nightingale with his fables"
  2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 May 2022 11: 43
    +3
    And what do we see? Joint and several public responsibility for everything that is happening in Ukraine now lies simultaneously with the liberals and the “guardians”, in the proportion of 50% to 50%. And there is no need to look for “extreme” here now, trying, as they say, “to switch the arrows”.

    In the question of liability that you are trying to raise, I see the following problems:
    1. Now you are talking about a very thin, in relation to the bulk of the population, "active" layer in which all, without exception, the groups named in the article are located. Therefore, the "active" stratum, in which you and I are located, itself does not determine anything - it can only appeal to the masses.
    2. The bulk of the people in Russia are traditionally deeply socially passive and vote in elections as a ritual of positive behavior. She is not ready to give up her passivity in favor of some kind of "active" layer.
    3. The attitude of the bulk of the people to the events and their formal choice in voting is formed by the authorities through the media. The influence of some kind of "layers" is excluded.
    4. The existing government received a mandate to govern directly from the hands of the Yeltsin team, which took its place, as a result of a palace coup. Thus, the authorities did not obtain the consent of the people to the fundamental changes that took place under Yeltsin in the social system and way of life. The authorities simply inherited the country with all the rights from its traitors. The authorities do their job, regardless of the people, so he does not share with her the responsibility for her undertakings.
    Thus, the responsibility for everything that is happening now in Ukraine, and what is happening with the country, lies entirely with the authorities, as it was in the entire history of Russia. She is responsible for everything before the people, history and God.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 May 2022 12: 08
      -1
      You and I are responsible for using our opportunity to speak the truth, giving ideas and material for reflection to those who really influence events.
      That's how I think
      1. Victorio Offline Victorio
        Victorio (Victorio) 1 May 2022 13: 22
        +2
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        You and I are responsible for using our opportunity to speak the truth, giving ideas and material for reflection to those who really influence events.
        That's how I think

        I think we are primarily responsible for ourselves and for our actions. it is not at all necessary to go into power, to reach great heights in business, in order to do well what you can or can do, and in your place.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 May 2022 16: 29
          -1
          Totally agree with you
      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 May 2022 14: 55
        -1
        One hero of the comment was left without defining the scope of responsibility.
        The people in relation to the authorities are primary. However, for the inability to influence her, he is responsible for his own fate. So it was, and is in our history.
        The people are not able to change what has historically developed, and they understand this. Power, too. Thus, the legitimacy of the existing complete freedom of power in their actions is formal, based on the social and political passivity of the people.
        Now we would really need an active CPSU with the Soviet people, accustomed to participating in decision-making at all levels of government. However, the river has different water.
        An impeccable vertical has been created, and we are all waiting for decisions and actions from THERE
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 04: 51
          0
          Alexey Davydov - The people are primary in relation to the authorities.
          Et how interesting? Not according to the Constitution, it seems. Power belongs to the people, (without any primacy and others - stey) do not you know adits? The people delegate their representatives to the governing bodies (power structures) of the country. What the authorities do - would be done by all the people who elected them to power through their elected representatives.
          So shtaaa everything that the government does, everything is done by the will of the people!
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 13: 02
      -3
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      Thus, the responsibility for everything that is happening now in Ukraine, and what is happening with the country, lies entirely with the authorities, as it was in the entire history of Russia. She is responsible for everything before the people, history and God.

      We are responsible for those who have tamed.
      Look up what legitimacy is. Responsibility is not only on the authorities, but also on those with which this authority rules with consent.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 May 2022 16: 30
        -2
        And from whom?
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 16: 42
          -3
          From yours. And mine.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 May 2022 17: 13
            -1
            Exupery talked about who takes the lead in the emergence of attachment. He, of course, is responsible for the one who has become attached to him and now depends on him.
            Unless the people acted as the initiator of attachment of the power to it?
            Attachment you mean of course material?
            Your cynicism and confusion in concepts are amazing
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2022 02: 09
              -1
              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              Exupery spoke of

              No need to look for a black cat in a dark room. She is not there.

              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              Unless the people acted as the initiator of attachment of the power to it?

              Usually it's reciprocity.

              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              Attachment you mean of course material?

              Of course not, where did you get this nonsense from?

              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              Your cynicism and confusion in concepts are amazing

              What is the cynicism? Ahh ... they themselves came up with, they themselves were offended.

              What is the confusion? Do you not understand what legitimacy is?
      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 May 2022 16: 48
        -2
        Exupery in the concept of "tame" did not put the meaning of "be deceived."
        As far as legitimacy is concerned, this word, like a prostitute, serves everyone who needs it.
    3. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 1 May 2022 14: 22
      +1
      So with God in power are excellent ties and agreements. No wonder they are shown in churches. They have no connection with the people they are afraid of, but with God, or the devil, they have an agreement. If the authorities were responsible to the people, then they would not spit on the oath, which they gave before the people. And if I break this oath... the general contempt of the people. In short, reward traitors with a hemp tie.
    4. GIS Offline GIS
      GIS (Ildus) 2 May 2022 10: 07
      +1
      Thus, the responsibility for everything that is happening now in Ukraine, and what is happening with the country, WHOLELY lies only with the authorities, as it was in the entire history of Russia.

      when was it different? neither 1917, nor 1941-1945, nor 1991 were different. there were people in control everywhere. but whether it is good or bad or right or wrong, only history will show
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    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 May 2022 14: 36
      +1
      Here, the guard showed up smile
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 12: 54
    -5
    And what do we see? Joint and several public responsibility for everything that is happening in Ukraine now lies simultaneously with the liberals and the “guardians”, in the proportion of 50% to 50%. And there is no need to look for “extreme” here now, trying, as they say, “to switch arrows”

    Did the author forget about himself? Who all these years called for Russia to start an imperialist war?
    Russian bloody boys don't come at night? And Ukrainian?

    when the Maidan could be dispersed by the forces of one regiment of the Russian OMON, attached to help the legitimate president Yanukovych, restoring constitutional order.

    Here is the author of the dreamer.

    Recall the recent withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions,

    This is what the liberals did? Medina liberal? Solzhenitsyn liberal? Is the author healthy?

    Here the author hung labels "enemies", "offended", "change shoes on the fly." Let's take a look at the communist movement.

    https://www.nakanune.ru/news/2022/02/25/22644555/?
    https://www.rosbalt.ru/russia/2022/02/28/1946320.html?



    In general, I would like to hear the author's answer for the Russian communists. Their founding fathers back in 1914 called for the defeat of their homeland Russia in WWI and not only called for, but also worked tirelessly for this defeat, including cooperating with the enemy. And after that, you absolutely unsubstantiated write someone down as an enemy?
    The goal of the communists is understandably communism. Communism is a classless society. A classless society does not need a state (according to Marx). A nation, by definition, is impossible without a state. That is, under communism there will be no Russian-Russian nation. How is the author such results of the victory of communism?
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 1 May 2022 13: 28
      -4
      And also according to Marx: under communism there will be ... a community of wives.
      Does this justify the ideological discord in Russian society regarding the special operation in Ukraine, if the President of the Russian Federation has not clearly formulated its goals?
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 May 2022 14: 38
        +3
        Common wives are a long-exposed propaganda fake.
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 1 May 2022 15: 59
          0
          long-exposed propaganda fake

          Friedrich Engels. The origin of the family, private property and the state.
      2. opportunist Offline opportunist
        opportunist (dim) 1 May 2022 19: 43
        +2
        everything you say is wrong in capitalism. under capitalism the capitalist takes your house in the middle of bank loans they also take your wife because they have more financial comfort. enough with their selfishness
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 May 2022 14: 37
      -1
      Thank God, I'm not a liberal and not a guardian. my conscience is clear
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 16: 20
        -8
        Thank God that you are not a liberal, you are a right-wing warmonger, such people are not taken to liberals. According to the UN, 2899 civilians died in Ukraine
        https://ukraine.un.org/en/180011-ukraine-civilian-casualties-28-april-2022
        As of March 25 (and today is May 1), 1351 servicemen of the RF Ministry of Defense died
        https://ria.ru/20220325/spetsoperatsiya-1780109513.html
        It is not known how many representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the NM of the DPR LPR died.
        And all for what? A couple of villages in the Donbass were recaptured. Mariupol. And there is no end in sight.
        His conscience is clear. Is there a conscience? The death of these people is also your fault. It was you who for many years called for an imperialist war. And you could not help but know that there is no warrior without victims. The fact that you dreamed of defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 10 hours does not justify you in the slightest, rather the opposite.
        And all for the sake of some phantoms that live only in the heads of your kind!
        In 10-20 years, not everyone will remember what this SVO was for, in 50-60 today's problems will only cause bewilderment. And you can't bring people back. They will not live their lives, they will not give birth and raise their children, they will not create something for the common good.
        And all for the sake of the chimeras of Mr. (not comrade) Marzhetsky and others like him.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 1 May 2022 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail Khazin
          We must gradually move towards the denazification of Russia. Nazism and rabid liberalism are about the same thing. We need to carry out deliberalization, which today is equal to the denazification of Russia - Russian culture, Russian education, Russian healthcare, Russian politics. This is the most important task that we must solve today.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 07: 06
            +3
            Khazin is right on this issue: there is only one step from a Russian liberal to a Nazi.
        2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 1 May 2022 23: 44
          0
          The death of these people is the common fault of the authorities and the people. Didn't the people defend the boozy drummer in 1991, who handed out sovereignties to the right and left: Then, of course, an epiphany came to them, but it was too late. And what is happening now is just an echo of those bloody and destructive events.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 57
            0
            The death of these people is the common fault of the authorities and the people.

            Since 2014, I have been writing under the high of liberals and guardians that there will be a bloody war with Ukraine and urged to prevent this. This is not my fault.
            My conscience is clear. It's Olezhka Pitersky or 123 who should dream of bloody boys, but they don't dream because of the lack of conscience.
            1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 2 May 2022 17: 03
              0
              The war did not start in 2014, but in fact from 91. Everything else is the consequences of that monstrous catastrophe.
        3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 48
          0
          You are responsible for this war along with guardians like 123 and others. I have been trying to prevent this massacre for 8 years.
          1. Vamp Online Vamp
            Vamp (wamp) 2 May 2022 12: 33
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            Quote: Marzhetsky
            I have been trying to prevent this massacre for 8 years.

            Those. Have you been shouting since 2014 that there is no need to take Mariupol and that Donbass should not be liberated? It turns out that you wanted to give Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine.
            Those. thanks to you, the Ukrainian regime has grown and strengthened its army, created military fortified areas, brought weapons and all Tochka-U missiles from all over Europe ???
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2022 12: 34
            -2
            No need lala. You have been talking all this time about the necessity of war and its benefits. So get it and subscribe.
        4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 59
          -1
          His conscience is clear. Is there a conscience? The death of these people is also your fault. It was you who for many years called for an imperialist war. And you could not help but know that there is no warrior without victims. The fact that you dreamed of defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 10 hours does not justify you in the slightest, rather the opposite.

          Firstly, there would be no such war if the authorities had listened to me in a timely manner. And so it was inevitable, the later, the bloodier.
          Secondly, liberal liar, maybe you will stop writing this blizzard about smashing in 10 hours? I pointed out your lies to you. Not enough for you?

          In 10-20 years, not everyone will remember what this SVO was for, in 50-60 today's problems will only cause bewilderment. And you can't bring people back. They will not live their lives, they will not give birth and raise their children, they will not create something for the common good.
          And all for the sake of the chimeras of Mr. (not comrade) Marzhetsky and others like him.

          Blame it on the Ukrainian Nazis and those who nurtured them all these years.
          Better yet, remember how many people perished after the collapse of the USSR and your liberal reforms, not fitting into the market.
          Don't you dream of bloody boys yourself, Olezhka? And you should, if you have a conscience.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2022 13: 14
            -1
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            Firstly, there would be no such war if the authorities had listened to me in a timely manner. And so it was inevitable, the later, the bloodier.

            Oh yes, the great strategist Mr. Marzhetsky. He would drive. About three months ago, how much were you going to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine? For 10 hours? Only they forgot to ask the Ukrainians if they are ready to be defeated in 10 hours. I understand that you dreamed of a small victorious NWO, with little bloodshed in foreign territory. They forgot to warn you that your fantasies do not always correspond to reality. And the fact that it was your inevitable unfounded fantasy.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            Secondly, liberal liar, maybe you will stop writing this blizzard about smashing in 10 hours? I pointed out your lies to you. Not enough for you?

            I gave you your quotes

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            And indeed, in 10 hours, this can probably be done by disorganizing the offensive and defensive potential of the enemy. But what's next? Will military victory be secured legally and politically?

            What is the lie? I'm sorry if you're a decent person.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            Don't you dream of bloody boys yourself, Oleg? And you should, if you have a conscience.

            Why should I, Sergey? I did not offer to arrange bloody wars with the help of the media? Did I carry out "liberal" reforms? And I destroyed the Soviet Union? It's not me, ask your communists. I was then 15 years old.
            They say bloody boys come to old age. So wait. Do you believe in God?
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 04: 33
        0
        Correctly! You are not a liberal (not knowing who it is) and not a guard (defender) you are a provocateur!
      3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 05: 42
        0
        Yes, not a liberal (classical liberalism), but its modern variety - libel fascism.
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 May 2022 14: 39
      -2
      You just don't own the subject.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 15: 54
        -2
        So explain what is the place of the Russian-Russian nation in the future communist stateless paradise.
      2. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 1 May 2022 16: 01
        -1
        Vocal outburst. ;-(
        1. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
          Spasatel 1 May 2022 17: 31
          0
          You just don't own the subject.

          You are wasting your time on it. His brain is tuned only to ensure that everything that the St. Petersburg gang of thieves, to which he apparently himself belongs, has done over thirty years, is preserved unchanged. Spit on him...
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 55
            -1
            Are you talking about me or what? If so, what led to this strange conclusion?
            Are you confusing me with guardians?
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 55
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          Read, learn, grow. Talk to you later.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 May 2022 13: 21
            -2
            Apparently I understand this more than you.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 2 May 2022 18: 28
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              Oleg RamboverIt looks like you still have a long way to go. laughing
    4. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 1 May 2022 18: 05
      -1
      Learn materiel. Without standing up for the author or Tyulkin (their case, they can handle it themselves), I note:

      Their founding fathers back in 1914 called for the defeat of their homeland of Russia in WWI and not only called, but also tirelessly worked for this defeat

      Brad full! Read the reports of the tsarist secret police or counterintelligence - it will surprise you that it was the Bolsheviks who fought most bravely and courageously on the fronts of the First World War (otherwise, the mass of soldiers simply would not follow them). And the number of those awarded for bravery and St. George's crosses and personalized weapons went off scale. And they also saved Russia from complete collapse, if not strange, the Bolsheviks, and not "shining knights in white armor" - also a discovery? Aren't you tired of "cooperating with enemies" yet? Even the fucking West recognized the fakes. And only "domestic" lovers continue to procrastinate the topic of German money to the sealed car. Thus, continuing to pour water on the mill of the West. Bravo!
      By the way, in this case, there is no desire to repent for the victory of all the same "damned defeatists" of the Bolsheviks over German fascism and united Europe in 1945 ?!
      Somehow, such a position is not far from Bandera and Western?!
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 18: 25
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        Quote from InanRom
        Brad full! Read the reports of the tsarist secret police or counterintelligence - it will surprise you that it was the Bolsheviks who fought most bravely and courageously on the fronts of the First World War (otherwise, the mass of soldiers simply would not follow them).

        I have already quoted Vladimir Lenin, but they are rubbed
        Find his article "On the Defeat of Your Government in the Imperialist War"

        Quote from InanRom
        And only "domestic" lovers continue to procrastinate the topic of German money to the sealed car.

        The sealed wagon is a historical fact that is not particularly disputed by anyone. Money is a debatable issue.

        Quote from InanRom
        Thus, continuing to pour water on the mill of the West. Bravo!

        What is it about the West? Are the Bolshevik Leninists in power? Quite the contrary.

        Quote from InanRom
        By the way, in this case, there is no desire to repent for the victory of all the same "damned defeatists" of the Bolsheviks over German fascism and united Europe in 1945 ?!
        Somehow, such a position is not far from Bandera and Western?!

        Why carry nonsense?
        1. InanRom Offline InanRom
          InanRom (Ivan) 1 May 2022 20: 23
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          Nonsense, excuse me, was yours - about the defeatist Bolsheviks. Lenin's article is not about that.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 21: 02
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            From the article:

            The revolutionary class in a reactionary war cannot but wish to defeat its government.
            This is an axiom.
            .
            And revolutionary actions during the war against one's own government, undoubtedly, undeniably, mean not only the desire to defeat it, but in fact also the promotion of such a defeat.

            What is this article about? Explain.

            Quote from InanRom
            Nonsense, I'm sorry

            Not me, but you said:

            Quote from InanRom
            By the way, in this case, there is no desire to repent for the victory of all the same "damned defeatists" of the Bolsheviks over German fascism and united Europe in 1945 ?!

            And this is nonsense. So there can be no two opinions on who is carrying it here.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 1 May 2022 22: 22
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              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              And this is nonsense. So there can be no two opinions on who is carrying it here.

              Oleg Rambover, if you do not understand a lot, then this does not mean that this is all nonsense. Please consider this another opinion. laughing
              1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 07: 07
                +1
                A liberal in Russia is a kind of holy fool, in my personal opinion.
                1. opportunist Offline opportunist
                  opportunist (dim) 2 May 2022 08: 19
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                  and liberal straight from the US embassy package
    5. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 May 2022 16: 50
      +1
      A nation, by definition, is impossible without a state. That is, under communism there will be no Russian-Russian nation. How is the author such results of the victory of communism?

      We lived well as a single Soviet people. And they broke up when everyone became independent and unique.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 May 2022 21: 35
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        Nation and people are not quite the same thing. The Soviet people also claimed the title of a nation (like the American nation). Judging by how everyone instantly became "independent and unique" in the USSR, the nation did not work out very well. But he knows, I agree with you, the era of nations began relatively recently and it looks like it will end soon, and most likely no one will see problems in this.
        I thought, if you are an imperialist, then you must be a nationalist (which many Russian communists sin). And no, I was wrong.
  5. Vit3222 Offline Vit3222
    Vit3222 (Vitali) 1 May 2022 14: 42
    +3
    Why this OPUS? Babitsky in the first Chechen, took an anti-Russian position, and died in Donetsk. What did the AUTHOR want to say?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 07: 08
      0
      An opus is a piece of music.
      Everything is written in the text, and if you do not understand its meaning, perhaps it is about you too. smile
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 2 May 2022 09: 19
        +1
        2. Whose n. work, scientific or literary work (iron.)

        Explanatory dictionary of Ozhegov
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 May 2022 05: 31
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        An opus is not only a piece of music.
        Opus - synonyms - opus - writing, work, labor, thing, fruit of labor, brainchild, work, creation, composition, uvrazh, little thing, little thing, fruit of inspiration, creation.
        In literature, it rather has a shade of humor, sarcasm, or even just a negative meaning.
        So Vit3222 is absolutely right!
  6. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 14: 57
    0
    Author, what pride do you consider yourself to be?
  7. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 14: 58
    +3
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    You just don't own the subject.

    Your ability to use the subject called language is amazing. Reach out where your hand can't reach.

    This fact expresses the whole essence of Russian liberalism of the kind I am talking about. First, what is liberalism, speaking in general, if not an attack (reasonable or erroneous, that is another question) on the existing order of things? It is so? Well, my fact is that Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on the order alone, not on the Russian order, but on Russia itself. My liberal has reached the point where he denies Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unfortunate Russian fact arouses laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, it is only in the fact that he does not understand what he is doing, and takes his hatred of Russia for the most fruitful liberalism (oh, you will often meet with us a liberal who is applauded by the rest, and who, perhaps, in the most absurd, the most stupid and dangerous conservative, and he himself does not know it!). Not so long ago, some of our liberals took this hatred for Russia almost for true love for the fatherland and boasted that they see better than others what it should consist of; but now they have become more frank, and even the words "love of the fatherland" have become ashamed, even the concept has been expelled and eliminated as harmful and insignificant. ..

    F.M. Dostoevsky.
  8. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 15: 02
    +1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Thank God, I'm not a liberal and not a guardian. my conscience is clear

    And who are you? Is it really an open enemy of the Fatherland? With a clear conscience, in the ranks of the Krasnovs, Shkuro .....? At least the believer, when referring to God, writes Him with a capital letter. This is for you, not kerya on the storm.
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  10. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 1 May 2022 16: 58
    0
    The author is on the verge of a foul):

    lampoons of anti-Soviet people like Solzhenitsyn

    How is it, ah-ah-ah, what a passage is at the same time a favorite of the GDP (whose efforts are embedded in street names, and in schools, and in monuments) and the State Department (where he called for nuclear strikes on the USSR and lived on full pay)
    Right:

    Joint public responsibility for everything that is happening in Ukraine now lies simultaneously with the liberals and the “guardians”, in the proportion of 50% to 50%

    only things are still there and no one is responsible for anything. And the united fifth column of "heroes of the occasion" from Chubais and Gref to Medinsky and Nabiullina feels great with impunity, just like the Ukronazi "decision-making centers". And continues to ruin the country.
    And all the hardships and hardships are felt only by Russian soldiers who are waging a mortal battle with Nazism, and the Russian people.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 53
      -1
      I have long wanted to express on this occasion, To say what I think about all this liberal and protective pack.
      1. Vamp Online Vamp
        Vamp (wamp) 2 May 2022 12: 47
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        I have long wanted to express on this occasion, To say what I think about all this liberal and protective pack.

        To which pack do you classify yourself? Just don't say that you are superior.... Your arrogance, with a commercial-sharashkin education, is already known.
        By all accounts, you are a liberal. Having come up with "guardians" (somehow simultaneously this word came out in various garbage dumps), you are trying to oppose people with different patriotic ideas, following the notorious "divide and rule."
  11. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 17: 12
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    The goal of the communists is understandably communism. Communism is a classless society. A classless society does not need a state (according to Marx). A nation, by definition, is impossible without a state. That is, under communism there will be no Russian-Russian nation. How is the author such results of the victory of communism?

    Communism is the highest stage in the development of human society. But that just means being in a dead end. Standing still is not possible. ONLY rise or fall is possible. How impossible is the transfer of energy when it is equal in different parts of space. What is this if not death? Further. How did Comrade Marx imagine technologically ensuring the operation of the formula - "From each according to his ability - to each according to his needs"? Where are the units for measuring abilities and needs, and who will determine the equivalence of these phenomena? Terms of fulfillment of needs? And finally, isn't communism a society with unlimited consumption? If in capitalism you can only consume what you have earned, then there are no limits here.
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 1 May 2022 17: 51
      0
      Instead of a clear answer to the opponent, you only exacerbated the "misunderstandings")
      What is it:

      being in a dead end

      isn't communism a society with unlimited consumption

      Did someone tell you this, or did you make up your own mind?

      "Kin-Dza-Dza"

      Marx will not answer, because he died before "such conclusions" and would hardly have understood your premises)
      Better read Efremov, maybe you will find answers there)
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 1 May 2022 22: 26
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      Quote: dub0vitsky
      Communism is the highest stage in the development of human society. But that just means being in a dead end.

      End of History.

      Quote: dub0vitsky
      How did Comrade Marx imagine technologically ensuring the operation of the formula - "From each according to his ability - to each according to his needs"? Where are the units for measuring abilities and needs, and who will determine the equivalence of these phenomena? Terms of fulfillment of needs?

      As far as I understood, it was necessary to educate a new person, a superman capable of self-restraint and self-sacrifice (in the sense of working for the good of society). Dreamer is short.
  12. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 1 May 2022 18: 10
    +2
    I will say one of my phrases "capitalism is stupid" the same thing is happening in the former Soviet countries, most of the domestic elite realizes its interests in the West, the same thing is happening with us. There is a strong lobby of domestic oligarchs who see their financial interests closer to the West, this is a lobby that finances the liberal opposition and the criminal and CIA agent Alexei Navalny. This lobby wants Russia to submit to the West and is seeking a situation similar to Ukraine, where the US embassy will direct the country's policy. On the other hand, domestic prisons, which have increased their wealth under the current tsarist regime, gained popular influence due to the people's nostalgia for the Soviet Union. They promised the people the return of a "superpower" but did absolutely nothing to clash with the liberal elite and did not do this because they they would have to abolish the nature of capitalism in Russia, which they themselves did not want. Unfortunately, bad days are coming for Russia, there is a conflict between the liberal oligarchy and the guardsmen, which could lead to civil war, which is what Western intelligence agencies are trying to achieve. History takes revenge on those who dismantled our old economic system. two things will happen or the people will save Russia by restoring the Soviet system Russia will be divided by civil war and with the help of Western intelligence agencies
  13. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 18: 35
    +1
    Quote from InanRom
    Marx will not answer, because he died before "such conclusions" and would hardly have understood your premises)
    Better read Efremov, maybe you will find answers there)

    However, you were not taught to think in school. The lack of the possibility of further development (but, of course, the highest stage implies that there is nowhere to go further), hence the dead end, and you can only go back.
    Further. Marx somehow did not guess that needs should be limited or, say, reasonable. I just want, in the name of human progress, to fly to Proxima Centauri. And, according to the formula of this bearded Jew, all of humanity is obliged to provide me with such an opportunity. You, mundane and without fantasies, a yacht in the pool near the house. About two kilometers long. Since you have exhausted your arguments, without entering into a discussion, you had to complete your speech with a reference to the film.
    Efremov is a science fiction writer who wrote nonsense without talking about the details. The adventures of the top of the elite society, these are three to five dozen names, without mentioning the masses of the proletariat and the mechanisms for achieving this progress, of course, the possibility of the Era of Closed Hands impresses. The question is already for you - why is our ideological direction not called the Efremov-Lenin doctrine? If Efremov explains everything so clearly, unlike Marx?
    1. Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
      Kapany3 1 May 2022 19: 51
      -1
      In short, not an article, but a diagnosis ... There was no category for normal people with patriotic views who are against the war, but for the destruction of the Nazis and support the operation, against surrendering everything to the West, but for true freedom, and so on. Apparently, the author needs to change his social circle if he has not found NORMAL citizens who simply beat their homeland.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 06: 52
        -1
        There was no category for normal people with patriotic views, who are against the war, but for the destruction of the Nazis and support the operation, against surrendering everything to the West, but for true freedom, and so on.

        Do you understand that you write mutually exclusive things? That's why there are no such strange people in my social circle. hi
    2. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 1 May 2022 20: 41
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      Funny) Marx is a "slow-witted" "bearded Jew" (are you not a Nazi for an hour?), Efremov is a world-famous scientist and writer - "carries nonsense", are you alone D, Artagnan?)) and why no one publishes, reads you and does not pass at universities in this case?)

      What is your last name, thinker? Spinoza? Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Marcus Aurelius?

      and where are we, so mundane and without fantasies" (your ability to judge without knowing anything pleases)) compete with such a pink elf?))

      ..our ideological direction is not called Efremov-Lenin's teaching?"

      Because your direction is called - demagoguery, petrified and mossy) that’s why there will be no discussion) because you don’t even distinguish irony from sarcasm and friend from foe)

      “Bender,” he suddenly croaked, “you know how much I respect you, but you don’t understand anything!

      Good luck!
  14. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 1 May 2022 19: 39
    +2
    No, well, how else to perceive the resignation of Alikperov (after the bombing of his plant in Ukraine), which was clearly perceived by society as his protest against the destruction of the "Russian" business (and obviously on our blood) in Ukraine, the continued supplies of oil to Ukraine and through Ukraine, gas, fertilizers (by the Rottenberg factories), the release of Ulyukaev on parole, the return of McDucks from McDonald's to Russia (isn't there enough fast food of your own? Do we still have to give the amers the opportunity to put cholera in a burger?), Ikea ... Peskov's public antics? Payments on public debt to countries that have just stolen gold reserves from Russia? Isn't this a liberal holiday? We have Peskov - a masochist, it turns out?

    In my opinion, the liberals' holiday is already on the street, coupled with paralysis of power in the style of Stalin's two-week silence after June 22, although in our country it has dragged on for many months ... And how long? I don't understand anything.
  15. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 20: 07
    -1
    Quote: Kofesan
    No, well, how else to perceive the resignation of Alikperov (after the bombing of his plant in Ukraine), which was clearly perceived by society as his protest against the destruction of the "Russian" business (and obviously on our blood) in Ukraine, the continued supplies of oil to Ukraine and through Ukraine, gas, fertilizers (by the Rottenberg factories), the release of Ulyukaev on parole, the return of McDucks from McDonald's to Russia (isn't there enough fast food of your own? Do we still have to give the amers the opportunity to put cholera in a burger?), Ikea ... Peskov's public antics? Payments on public debt to countries that have just stolen gold reserves from Russia? Isn't this a liberal holiday? We have Peskov - a masochist, it turns out?

    In my opinion, the liberals' holiday is already on the street, coupled with paralysis of power in the style of Stalin's two-week silence after June 22, although in our country it has dragged on for many months ... And how long? I don't understand anything.

    If I add mine to your misunderstanding, will they decrease or increase? Misunderstanding, does it still have a minus sign?
  16. the_SteelReporter (Alexandr Martynov) 1 May 2022 20: 14
    -2
    *Yawning everyone is bad and only I am handsome all in white (cross out) with a red and crescent
  17. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 1 May 2022 21: 03
    -1
    Funny) Marx is a "slow-witted" "bearded Jew" (are you not a Nazi for an hour?), Efremov is a world-famous scientist and writer - "carries nonsense", are you alone D, Artagnan?)) and why no one publishes, reads you and does not pass at universities in this case?)

    What is your last name, thinker? Spinoza? Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Marcus Aurelius?

    and where are we, so mundane and without fantasies" (your ability to judge without knowing anything pleases)) compete with such a pink elf?))

    "..our ideological direction is not called Efremov-Lenin's teaching?"

    Because your direction is called - demagoguery, petrified and mossy) that’s why there will be no discussion) because you don’t even distinguish irony from sarcasm and friend from foe)

    “Bender,” he suddenly croaked, “you know how much I respect you, but you don’t understand anything!

    Good luck!

    Thanks to. And you should start with Azov. For example, from the work of Tommaso Campanella. "City of Sun". He wrote this about 400 years ago. This is the first treatise on communist society. This work was written by a monk in prison. Probably stole. About the nationality of Marx. Genetically embedded hatred of Orthodoxy. Read his statements about Russia and the Russians. I wasn't the first to hate. I am only his reflection in this matter. My last name is Dubovitsky. Here, I'm not ashamed of it, which I don't expect from you. And the avatar is purely my photo.
  18. Ten canarias Offline Ten canarias
    Ten canarias (Ten Canarias) 2 May 2022 00: 53
    +1
    They never lie and TALK so much as during the war!
  19. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 2 May 2022 09: 08
    0
    Seryoga, I like you more and more! In this article, the correct and accurate alignment! Thanks to! And before I criticized you... but there was something for it... and this is great work!
  20. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 May 2022 11: 11
    -1
    Quote: Morey Borey
    Seryoga, I like you more and more! In this article, the correct and accurate alignment! Thanks to! And before I criticized you... but there was something for it... and this is great work!

    I wonder what it was for me to criticize? All my work is great smile Just not everyone likes it.
  21. Vamp Online Vamp
    Vamp (wamp) 2 May 2022 12: 07
    0
    The new label "guardians" is being circulated strongly. Those. they will sculpt to everyone who supports the current government, who understands that there are few opportunities for restoring the country due to increased opposition, and mistakes have been and will always be. It can be assumed that the next stage will introduce the stigma "defender", those who will defend Russia.
    Russia is at war and they want to arrange a Maidan for her.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 May 2022 16: 48
      +1
      The new label "guardians" is being circulated strongly. Those. they will sculpt to everyone who supports the current government, who understands that there are few opportunities for restoring the country due to increased opposition, and mistakes have been and will always be.

      The problem is that the protectors consider everything, without exception, that the government does to be a blessing, excluding the very possibility of its error.
      A bunch of people drowned for 8 years because we don’t need Ukraine and Donbass, we’ll disperse the APU with pissing rags, etc. They attacked with aggression those who called not to merge Novorossia, to liquidate the uroReich until it strengthened.
      And what did it all come to? If only all these screamers could be mobilized to the front line.

      It can be assumed that the next stage will introduce the stigma "defender", those who will defend Russia.

      So there is no need to draw an equal sign between "guardians" and defenders.

      Russia is at war and they want to arrange a Maidan for her.

      It is the liberal Caudle who is interested in the Maidan in order to remove Putin and install a more manageable one who will merge everything that has not yet been merged.
  22. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
    Neville Stator (Neville Stator) 2 May 2022 21: 38
    0
    Beware of the fifth column. You can come to take power, as happened with Gorbachev.
  23. Chel from Chel Offline Chel from Chel
    Chel from Chel (Person) 4 May 2022 11: 49
    +1
    The author, as always, "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!" Liberda, such liberda-traitors and cowards all around.
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