The collective West has staked on the military defeat of Russia

By the end of the second month of the military special operation in Ukraine, the Russian authorities had completely confused people on both sides of the front about what they really want to achieve. At the same time, the true adversary in the face of the collective West has already completely thrown off the mask and in fact directly said what he wants to achieve - the military defeat of Russia. Premonitions overcome the most painful.

Operation with "limited targets"

On February 24, 2022, President Vladimir Putin, just a few days after the official recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR, announced the start of a special operation in Ukraine with the following wording:

I have decided to conduct a special military operation. Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kiev regime for eight years. And for this, we will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation.

However, this and subsequent statements by other high-level government officials contained attitudes that directly contradicted the main task.

In particular, the Kremlin itself has banned the occupation of Ukraine and the change of the regime of President Zelensky, which has stained itself in numerous bloody crimes, which makes it impossible both the denazification of Nezalezhnaya and its demilitarization. On the contrary, through neighboring Poland, Kyiv began to receive new weapons from the NATO bloc for further war with Russia. All over Ukraine, monuments are now being knocked down not to Lenin, but to famous figures of Russian culture. The very Nazi regime intends to completely burn out our common culture with the Ukrainian people from the educational program.

Here is such a “denazification” and “demilitarization” as part of a special military operation. And all because of the internal inconsistency of its attitudes, the limited forces involved and the unwillingness to call the true enemy an enemy and fight with him for real. The result, unfortunately, will be very deplorable for us if this flawed approach is not changed right now!

Alas, one gets the impression that the domestic elites do not want to completely break with the West and hope to “jump off” from the global war against it, content with a tit in their hands - the Donbass. The day before, President Putin again spoke a lot about the future of the DPR and LPR:

It was the tragedy that took place in the Donbass, including in the Luhansk People's Republic, that forced, simply forced Russia to launch this military operation, which everyone is well aware of today. First of all, the purpose of this operation is to help people, help our people living in the Donbass.

Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to help the population of the people's republics with the normalization of their lives. In the rest of the territories of Ukraine already liberated from the power of the Kiev regime, people have been asking for almost two months what will happen to them, but they still do not receive a clear answer. Of course, such a disrespectful attitude as much as possible demotivates Russia's supporters in Ukraine.

War to destroy Russia

But our historical enemy in the face of the collective West knows exactly what he wants. The initial goal of the Maidan in Ukraine in 2014 was to tear it away from Russia and create a mass of geopolitical problems between the Russian Federation and the EU that cannot be resolved peacefully. For the next 8 years, the US and its allies pumped up the military machine of the Nazi regime in order to crush the DPR and LPR by force, forcing the RF Armed Forces to intervene directly. As you can see, they were taught to fight while we made fun of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, promising to throw hats on them and disperse them with dirty rags.

Russia, fortunately, did not wait for the next "June 22" and on February 24, 2022 acted ahead of the curve, taking the initiative into its own hands. However, after the initial successes, everything came up against internal contradictions that were originally embedded in the NWO itself. It is quite possible that it was supposed to walk to Kyiv and plant "Putin's godfather" there, and then leave beautifully, as at the beginning of the year from Kazakhstan. Hence the rapid marches deep into the enemy's territory, and the lack of work with the population in the rear, etc. This is all that caused bewildered questions in the first month and a half of the special operation.

But it turned out differently. Viktor Medvedchuk, one of the authors of the “Minsk conspiracy” and the idea of ​​reconciliation between Russia and the post-Maidan regime, was eventually “accepted” by the Ukrainian special services and kept for the time being somewhere in the basement. The regional elites hid and did not take out the keys to their cities for the Russian military. Everything went wrong, and I had to replay the plans of the NMD on the go, removing large military contingents from near Kyiv and transferring them to the Donbass for a general battle with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Judging by how often our authorities talk about assistance to the DPR and LPR, it might be quite suitable for them to confine themselves to the liberation of their territory and the signing of some kind of intermediate agreement with Kyiv, the conditional Minsk-3, which will delay for several years a new stage of a large-scale war with West in Ukraine.

Whether it's good or bad, but the "Western partners", and now open direct enemies, themselves will not allow our "elites" to "jump off", relying on Russia's military defeat. The war against our country is going on on all fronts.

At first, the collective West has imposed crippling sectoral sanctions in order to undermine economic the potential of Russia and weaken its military-industrial complex, which will now have to restore the combat capability of the army and navy under difficult conditions after large-scale hostilities in Ukraine.

Secondly, the West started a real propaganda-ideological war against our country. Domestic media abroad are closed, preventing them from conveying an alternative point of view, but in the Western world from Russia they are actively drawing the image of an inadequate bloodthirsty monster. Russians are now being treated in the US and Europe like Jews in the Third Reich, effectively depriving them not only of their property, but also of all civil rights and human dignity.

Thirdly, work is being actively carried out to accelerate the nazification of Ukraine. In addition to the daily Russophobic propaganda in the media, monuments to Russian poets and writers, famous Soviet military leaders are being demolished, and Russian culture is being burned out of education. Disgusting videos inciting ethnic strife are being filmed, where a certain well-worn Ukrainian woman uses a sickle for other purposes, etc.

Fourthly, the collective West began the process of rearmament of Ukraine. At first, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard received only light weapons, but now heavy ones have gone across the Polish border - up to tanks, fighters and anti-ship missiles. The Czech Republic is officially ready to repair damaged Ukrainian armored vehicles. Romania de facto provides its airfields to the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is a good chance that the death of the cruiser "Moskva" may be connected with this. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson stated in plain text that the West would arm Ukraine in such a way that Russia would not go there for the second time:

Ukrainian supporters in the West will supply so many weapons, send so many trainers, provide so much intelligence assistance that it will create a kind of deterrent [mechanism] to prevent Russia from invading again.

Fifthly, The West is ready to support Square with money for the war against Russia. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz recently said that Germany would support President Zelensky's request for EU financial assistance to Kiev in the amount of 50 billion euros. Apparently, part of the pro-American German elites really want to get revenge for the defeat from the USSR in World War II, defeating Russia with the hands of the Ukrainian Nazis. In fact, this means that the strategy of creating one New Russia and economic strangulation of Central Ukraine will no longer work. Or it will work, but it will take a long time, during which a lot of blood will be shed on both sides.

What conclusions can be drawn? While we are playing a special operation with internally contradictory goals, the collective West is waging another war against Russia to destroy it with the hands of the Ukrainian Nazis. Given the difference in the economic and military-industrial potential of the Russian Federation, on the one hand, and the United States, the EU and their allies, on the other, dragging out the conflict and postponing the solution of the problem of the Kiev regime on the back burner will not end in anything good. For us.

Only the military defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the taking of all of Ukraine under their control, up to the annexation of part of its territories to Russia and the integration of the rest into the Union State, can reverse the negative trend. There is no third.
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  1. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) April 21 2022 12: 02
    The confidence of the West in victory is given by the fact that the peace party began to take shape from the bureaucracy and the thieves' elite, who personally suffered from the sanctions. Their position is already heard in the statements of the Foreign Ministry. Betrayal is on the rise.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) April 21 2022 16: 06
      The tsar-father was ruined by the elite. Is this a repetition? Then it happened during the war and now the same situation.
  2. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) April 21 2022 12: 14
    Yes, the third is not given. But the Anglo-Saxons claim from their general that they will not give up all of Ukraine, but in the event of "what" they will use nuclear weapons. But giving up western Ukraine is even more of a headache than it is now. Wouldn't it be easier then, in the light of Sarmat "sliding off the stove", Zircons and Paseidons, to start straight ahead first. After all, the effect of coercion from suppression by weapons cannot be achieved. But the top knows better, of course, so think aloud.
  3. ustal51 Offline ustal51
    ustal51 (Alexander) April 21 2022 12: 21
    Russia always has a way out in the form of a red button, and then we go to heaven, and they just die. Want? Let them try!
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker April 21 2022 12: 22
    YouTube is not blocked and I look at what they say in Ukraine. So, they lie about everything. But this is expected, the main thing is how they call Putin there, and not only in Ukraine. It's no secret that I don't respect Putin, but for such insults to the president of Russia, I would give him a lobeshnik. Because insulting the head of state in this way, they offend the people of the country. Is nothing reported to Putin if he himself does not look at anything? It's like you have to not respect yourself, so that after such insults you have some kind of business with such things. And Europe is really preparing for war, they have ceased to be afraid of Russia. All these concessions, a truce, and most importantly, no obvious military successes, only strengthened their opinion that Russia can be defeated by war. And the fact that Putin stopped the assault on Azovstal will be declared a weakness of the Russian army. Which could not break the resistance of the heroes. This is a political and informational defeat for Russia unequivocally!!
    Denazification, understand this word as you want. Putin has not yet named the names of these Natsiks. Where should the SVO stop?
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 21 2022 12: 49
    You might think that the West could theoretically bet on a quick victory for Russia ///

    Like, tell us more about simple maneuvers. become monopolists in the supply of oil, millet, coal, metal, gases, etc., ruin enterprises there, local oligarchs, take the rest to your oligarchs, and so on ...

    Divide and conquer - everyone knows it, everyone does it
  6. I would have left (Alexander) April 21 2022 12: 56
    Meanwhile, the "leader" continues to chew snot and be nice to the fifth column (supposedly Russian oligarchs). All sorts of Abramovichs, Potanins, Prokhorovs, Lisins, and so on, so on, are enemies. They live in the West, families, children consider themselves to be anyone, but not Russians. In Russia, they only make money, and they do not care at all about either the environment or the fate of the Russians. The example of Norilsk Nickel is indicative - the gentleman flew in from London, stamped his foot, allocated Russia's handout for the destroyed nature and flew home to London.
    And our corrupt government continues to negotiate something with them. And the results of robbery .., excuse me, "privatization" of people's property is poorly verified?
  7. ont65 Offline ont65
    ont65 (Oleg) April 21 2022 13: 06
    The wording chosen as the most streamlined without any specifics is not accidental. Americans under the same dozens of years sat here and there, nothing hesitant. And sanctions, pressure, showdowns up to the global scale have already been and are planned everywhere. Time will tell, but it is hard to believe in the effectiveness of the ideological work of the managers of the liberal government of United Russia. They even manage to produce anti-Soviet things in the Russian Federation even now, when the masks have been thrown off by the West. What are they able to say to Ukrainians so magical that they can make ordinary people out of Bandera? - Earn shock rubles in the tundra, dress in Chinese consumer goods, because there is already a problem with the American one? And bucks with embroidered shirts do not interfere with them. Gaidarkas, Chubais all sorts with their bazaar values ​​​​in such a situation as commissars will not work, Putin's patriotism as an idea of ​​dill also does not waver. What's on the menu now? He himself is not yet, what are we talking about? Therefore, in the foreground, the Vostok battalion, headed by the father himself, is still heroic, as if there were no cases for him in the republic. Somewhere they are brainstorming while the guns are firing, but what will come of this worthwhile without knowing the details is not clear.
  8. Kade_t Offline Kade_t
    Kade_t (Igor) April 21 2022 13: 36
    We received sanctions, the flow of which does not end, the blood of our fighters, the unclear prospects for the liberated territories. If only to liberate Donetsk and Lugansk and stop, then it is completely incomprehensible why it was necessary to start all this at all? In a few years, the war will start again, so that they do not sign during the negotiation process, this should now be clear to absolutely everyone, stopping is defeat.
  9. Demeter Offline Demeter
    Demeter April 21 2022 14: 01
    First of all, the purpose of this operation is to help people, help our people living in the Donbass

    Residents of Mariupol could tell how they were "helped" ... It didn't seem enough to them ...

    We will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine

    Right now, as a result of the war, the militarization and nazification of Ukraine is happening more actively than ever. Am I the only one who thinks it's the other way around?
    And if the matter is limited to Minsk-3, which will inevitably be followed by Brest-2, and everything is moving towards this, then it is not clear why all this was started? To correct the shortcomings of the first Russian spring of 2014-2015? Alas, the train has already left. It used to be limited to the left bank of Ukraine, or at least the Donbass. Now nothing can be left from Ukraine, not even Galicia, otherwise the Yankees will make a new battering ram (possibly already a nuclear-bacteriological one) from the remnants of Nezalezhnaya, and a third war still cannot be avoided.
  10. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
    Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) April 21 2022 14: 07
    The "chewing of a viscous substance" begins, as in 2014, when, after all these "cauldrons", the dill rolled back, our acting. suddenly they began to negotiate (and when the plane was shot down they stopped the militias completely).
    I would not like to think that this is a betrayal.
    1. Carmela Offline Carmela
      Carmela (Carmela) April 21 2022 18: 57
      I would like, I would not want to, but this is really a betrayal. Why did people die in this military operation?
      1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
        Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) April 22 2022 23: 04
        There seems to be a factor of "breaking away from reality" (almost in the Brezhnev style), but in a significant part - definitely a betrayal, and since 2014. Over the years, more than one volunteer was filed and actually imprisoned. Since then, I have not been doing "help" anymore (and now these 500 tr hard-earned money would be useful to me ...)
  11. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) April 21 2022 14: 10
    It is depressing that the goals of the Russian special operation in Ukraine have changed downward from the original one - non-expansion of non-deployment and the return of NATO to the 1979 borders, i.e. demands not so much to Ukraine as to NATO, until today's complete liberation of the DPR-LPR, Ukraine's recognition of their independence and a referendum in Crimea, in which its inhabitants voted for joining the Russian Federation.
    Then what can be the talk about the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine without its complete occupation and change of power?
    If it is supposed to continue the special operation and occupy the entire territory of Ukraine, then the actions of the armed forces of the Russian Federation are incomprehensible - they did not block the supply of Western weapons, railway and automobile routes, airports, did not deprive the army of supplies and maneuver, did not destroy military enterprises and refineries, communications and did not block the Internet, the command and control center - the General Staff, etc., etc., why is oil pumping through Ukraine finally continuing?
    Without the complete occupation of Ukraine, denazification and demilitarization is impossible, and this is tantamount to the defeat of the Russian Federation with all the ensuing economic, political, ideological, social and all other consequences
    1. svetlanavradiy Offline svetlanavradiy
      svetlanavradiy (Svetlana Vradiy) April 21 2022 17: 57
      Yes, you wait, you get discouraged ahead of time. Soon our leaders will sit down at the negotiating table with non-our leaders and again raise the issue of NATO's 1997 borders.
  12. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 21 2022 14: 36
    The states believe that in the future they will be able to get the opportunity of a disarming strike on Russia, and while they are exhausting us in Ukraine, they are choosing our "weakness" at our borders, occupying and equipping bridgeheads for a future attack, and completing the creation of hypersonic weapons. This is their reality.
    We have focused ourselves on a task that is feasible for us - neutralizing the Ukrainian bridgehead, and we do not interfere with the advancement of the States in other directions, since for this it is necessary to get our nuclear weapons, put ourselves and the world on the brink of nuclear war. We are grinding the "scrap" of Western armies with our best troops and ultra-precise weapons. We use, while it is still possible, the rest of the time of peaceful life for the sale of hydrocarbons. This is our reality.
    Everyone is satisfied with the course of the process and its prospects.
    Or not?
    Do we think that it is no longer necessary to stop the States? Have they used everything they have?
    Shatov has other trump cards up his sleeve: the war with Poland in Ukraine, the war with NATO for Kaliningrad, the war with Japan over the islands, etc.
  13. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
    Yuriy88 (Yuri) April 21 2022 14: 45
    why do we need "the whole of Ukraine" then? Why its truly hostile areas and pieces?? LDNR, and territories. who in referendums want to join the Donbass or Russia. Let the rest become a headache for the West .. what to do with them and how .. If all of Ukraine is captured, then it will also have to be "equipped and maintained." and keep within. Meaning?! Take your own, take your own and that's it. No need to set goals that are meaningless .. We will get something, something NATO and everyone will calm down for the time being ..
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) April 22 2022 06: 46
      ... Let the rest become a headache for the West .. what to do with them and how ...

      What to do with them and how? Is it still unclear? Arm, arm, nazify, arm, set on Russia, arm, make them a NATO foothold and arm again.
      What kind of nonsense are you talking about? "Everyone will calm down for the time being"? Until what time? Until the West finally overtakes Russia in technology, until Russia loses its short-term window of opportunity, when can it really demolish all of Europe and the United States at the moment of their weakness?
      There were more tanks in Ukraine than in Germany. Do you think this state of affairs will continue?
      Give them a couple of years, they will all arm themselves and crush Russia, and China and India themselves will fall under them again, they are no strangers.
  14. Aleks_3 Offline Aleks_3
    Aleks_3 (Alexander Kutlin) April 21 2022 15: 11
    Where is our determination and firm position? Here one can feel the influence of our corrupt elite, it seems that they will not finish the matter, but how loudly and menacingly it was stated at the beginning of the operation. And the West, on the contrary, shows determination and impudence. The position of the elite is understandable, they do not want to break off relations with the West, this is beneficial to them, but there is also a minister of defense, there is a supreme commander, I would like to hope that the operation will be brought to its logical conclusion, otherwise even our friendly states will not reckon with us.
  15. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2022 15: 42
    Only the military defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the taking of all of Ukraine under their control, up to the annexation of part of its territories to Russia and the integration of the rest into the Union State, can reverse the negative trend. There is no third.

    Does the Russian Federation have the strength for this?
    1. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
      Neville Stator (Neville Stator) April 21 2022 21: 50
      Russia has enough military power to impose itself in one way or another. The only risk of not achieving the goals is the fifth column.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 21 2022 22: 23
        Quote from Neville Stator
        Russia has enough military power to impose itself in one way or another.

        This is undeniable, but there are a couple of points. The number of forces in personnel is now approximately equal in Ukraine. The advantages of the Russian Federation in the air are leveled by Ukrainian air defense. The advantage in armored vehicles is the saturation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with anti-tank weapons. The Russian Federation does not have an overwhelming advantage at the front. With these forces, it is quite possible to clean up the Donbass within the administrative boundaries. But they are clearly not enough to reach Lviv. To defeat Ukraine globally, the Russian Federation must declare almost a patriotic war. We need to mobilize. But they are afraid to do this, fearing a negative reaction from the citizens of the Russian Federation.

        Quote from Neville Stator
        The only risk of not reaching the goals is the fifth column.

        This is understandable when he screwed up who else could be to blame except for the fifth column.
        1. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
          Neville Stator (Neville Stator) April 23 2022 16: 41
          Although there is something to take into account in what you say, in principle, I disagree because the Ukrainian economy is broken. Russia's superiority in the air and the punishment of Ukraine's infrastructure: rear, industrial, communications, etc. and the loss of territory and population is fundamental to the war. If Russia continues the war long enough and destroys the fifth column, Ukraine will stand no chance.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) April 23 2022 18: 22
            Quote from Neville Stator
            Although there is something to consider in what you say, in principle, I do not agree because the Ukrainian economy is broken.

            It has an almost limitless resource in the form of aid from the West.

            Quote from Neville Stator
            Russia's air superiority and the punishment of Ukraine's infrastructure: rear, industrial, communications, etc. and the loss of territory and population is fundamental to war.

            The territory is important, the success of the NWO in this regard is not very good. Remember the Kyiv and Sumy regions. In this war, the industry of Ukraine is not of decisive importance.

            Quote from Neville Stator
            .If Russia continues the war long enough and destroys the fifth column, Ukraine won't stand a chance.

            If Russia continues the war long enough, then it can repeat the fate of the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia. It was supposed to be a small victorious NWO. If you put a new 37 on it, then it’s completely seams.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 24 2022 23: 55
              Quote: Oleg Rambover
              It has an almost limitless resource in the form of aid from the West.

              Oleg Rambover, stupid, Western aid is not unlimited. laughing
    2. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) April 22 2022 06: 50
      Russia did not even begin to fight in full force. Pinpoint strikes are far from a combined arms operation by deployed divisions.
      There is not even a front there as such, there are essentially local points of contact.
  16. svetlanavradiy Offline svetlanavradiy
    svetlanavradiy (Svetlana Vradiy) April 21 2022 17: 55
    Remember how the USSR started the war with Hitler and how it ended? Russia's difficulties are only beneficial - something immediately begins to be done faster, more thoughtfully, more seriously. It would be naive to expect that we will not be hit by all possible sanctions. But Russia will outlive them and become a hundred times stronger and more powerful. Autumn is not far off. soon we will hear regrets from the other side about the sanctions and cunning ways to overcome them.
  17. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) April 22 2022 06: 34
    So. Marzhetsky no longer wants to give Western Ukraine to Poland and, apparently, he finally saw how Poland, among other things, feeds Bander. Commendable.
    You see, he will soon realize that, alas, the war will not end on the borders of Ukraine, since the anti-Russification of Poland and the Baltic states, and this is NATO, is already actively beginning, or rather, intensified.
    Boriska is blathering something from a bump about a nuclear strike on Russia.
    The Western world is almost completely inadequate, there is no one to negotiate with, they squeal in fear, but they are inciting confrontation more and more.
    Therefore, I repeat, Russia has two ways - to knead Europe for a long time and bloody and eventually rake with the remnants of a nuclear baton from the former hegemon, or immediately, without scattering Sarmatians around the training grounds in Kamchatka, demolish the hegemon to the devil's grandmother.
    The Americans have long wanted a big war in Europe, they have been leading to it for a long time, they will get it. That's just to allow them to make a gesheft on it.
  18. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) April 22 2022 12: 54
    Everyone needs time to show the economic consequences of the sanctions. The West cannot abandon its Ukrainian clients, because they will scream heart-rendingly about it. We need to play for time by providing weapons to Kiev.

    Interestingly, in the western train, many adequate people who are not in the locomotive, and even more so in the driver's cab, are horrified to understand where their train is flying. They begin to scream in horror, beat on the window, but of course this is of little use. One can only hope that groups of critics of the direction of the movement will begin to form with access to this or that media, with access to public discourse. These idea groups should come from European business and industry. Also, in the secret services of Europe, adequate views on what is happening could be formed, people who care about the fate of their country, and not even the interests of the United States, but of some sectors of the economy there, the puppeteers of the globalist project who staged all this chaos. Criticism of the Ukrainian regime is the only way out for European countries, an opportunity to avoid the worst scenario.

    The closer the moment comes when the Russian Iskanders with nuclear weapons will be actually deployed, the more difficult it will be to stop the train. Today, the train is run by not quite adequate people. Control over the European media is held by globalists and the initiators of the Ukrainian crisis. All of Europe is hostage. It's time for the adequate to think for themselves how to save their country.

    There may have been a "party of peace" in Russia, but now it is clear to everyone that no matter how Russia behaves, the West needs the collapse of the country. Russia keeps the negotiation track open, as this affects the position of the Ukrainian regime. He has to explain to the Ukrainians why the regime does not want to agree. It is important that the Ukrainians see that their regime does not want peace, cannot agree, when it would seem that everything is simple, nothing supernatural is required of them. The war is not for Ukraine, but in the interests of the West - Ukrainians may think so, while Russia offers to negotiate. As soon as Russia says "only capitulation", all Ukrainians will see aggression against Ukraine in the operation. All this will affect when the Armed Forces of Ukraine are defeated or seriously weakened.
  19. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) April 22 2022 23: 47
    Only the military defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the taking of all of Ukraine under their control, up to the annexation of part of its territories to Russia and the integration of the rest into the Union State, can reverse the negative trend. There is no third. there is a third option And it should be. Russia should occupy the territories of the new Russia and then invite Ukraine to negotiations. If the Kyiv regime refuses and the collective West decides to continue arming the Nazi regime, then the next step will be the use of regular low-yield nuclear weapons in western Ukraine. The US did not hesitate to drop nuclear weapons on Japan to avoid unnecessary losses. Why should Russia now wage a moral war when the West declared war on it using the Nazis of Western Ukraine. Especially now it is not the place and the time for those who talk about the occupation of all of Ukraine since the beginning of the war. Firstly, the Russian military forces on the ground are not enough to occupy the entire territory of Ukraine, I doubt that the Russian forces exceed 150 soldiers. We need to raise an army of more than 000 people. NATO invaded Iraq, a disintegrated country with 400 troops. The Kremlin knew from the very beginning that these forces were not enough to occupy all of Ukraine, so the plan for the first stage of the war was different.
  20. alspas Offline alspas
    alspas (Alexander) 5 June 2022 05: 36
    That's right, a complete victory over ALL of Ukraine, and not part of it, otherwise we will get an eternal enemy at hand, dreaming of revenge.