Published the first photo of the burning cruiser "Moskva"

April 18 2022 56

A photo of the burning Russian cruiser Moskva appeared on the Web. The ship has a significant roll to the left, the superstructure is damaged. However, the main caliber - P-1000 Vulkan missiles - remained intact.

According to the official statement of the Russian military department, the Moskva cruiser, after a fire and detonation of ammunition on board, sank on April 14 while being towed to the port. Operations to rescue the ship prevented the beginning of the storm.

On Saturday, April 16, a farewell ceremony was held in Sevastopol for the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The event took place in the city square of the 300th anniversary of the Russian fleet.

The construction of the cruiser began in 1976 in Nikolaev, the Moskva was launched in 1979, and three years later it was put into operation. The lead ship of project 1164 "Atlant" was involved in the Russian-Georgian conflict in 2008, as well as in military operations in Syria in 2015. During the Russian special operation in Ukraine, "Moskva" took part in taking control of the Ukrainian island of Serpents.

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Oleg Rambover

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April 18 2022 09: 31

Something scares me that they are silent about the losses.
1. faiver
  
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  April 18 2022 09: 47
  
  it's time to get used to it, about the flooded Saratov, there is generally silence ...
2. Victorio
  
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  April 19 2022 12: 29
  
  Quote: Oleg Rambover
  Something that scares me silent about losses.
  
  there is a video of the crew on the parade ground in Sevastopol, line up in two lines, count, plus the missing wounded. perhaps there are no conscripts.
  1. Oleg Rambover
    
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    April 19 2022 12: 50
    
    Why do I need it?
    If they don't, it means they have something to hide. If they hide it, then there are losses, and these losses are not small. And there were a lot of conscripts.
    1. Victorio
      
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      April 19 2022 13: 02
      
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      Why do I need it?
      If they don't, it means they have something to hide. If they hide it, then there are losses, and these losses are not small. And there were a lot of conscripts.
      
      ? you wrote - it scares you. you are already drawing conclusions that the losses are considerable, but you don’t want to figure it out. do not find contradictions?
      
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      And there were a lot of conscripts.
      
      How much?
      1. Oleg Rambover
        
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        April 19 2022 16: 32
        
        Quote: Victorio
        ? you wrote - it scares you. you are already drawing conclusions that the losses are considerable, but you don’t want to figure it out. do not find contradictions?
        
        No. Calculations in the first place will not give anything, maybe not everyone got into the frame, maybe a part is missing for objective reasons. Secondly, what they don’t say ...
        
        Quote: Victorio
        How much?
        
        Two missing conscripts are known. According to the mother of one of the missing, there were still conscripts.
        
        Victorio
        
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        April 19 2022 20: 41
        
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        No. Calculations in the first place will not give anything, maybe not everyone got into the frame, maybe a part is missing for objective reasons.
        
        everyone was in the frame. I wrote about the objective absence - the wounded and sick. in addition, according to Meduza, the number of people who died on the ship was 37, and these people will definitely not underestimate.
        
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        known about two missing conscripts. According to the mother of one of the missing, there were still conscripts.
        
        that is, you do not know, but you claim that a lot
        
        Oleg Rambover
        
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        April 20 2022 17: 23
        
        Quote: Victorio
        everyone was in the frame. I wrote about the objective absence - the wounded and sick. in addition, according to Meduza, the number of people who died on the ship was 37, and these people will definitely not underestimate.
        
        According to journalists' calculations, no more than half of the crew is on footage. 37 dead and an unknown number of missing. Yes, I agree, there are good journalists in Meduza.
        
        Quote: Victorio
        that is, you do not know, but you claim that a lot
        
        Now about three missing and one surviving conscript is known. More questions?
        
        isofat
        
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        April 20 2022 19: 25
        
        Oleg Ramboveryou make it easier. Write what you know and indicate your sources of information.
        
        The comment was deleted.
        
        Victorio
        
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        April 21 2022 13: 36
        
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        According to journalists' calculations, no more than half of the crew is on footage.
        
        and how many was the crew at the time of the explosion, is it known?
        
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        Yes, I agree, there are good journalists in Meduza.
        
        cartridges are satisfied for sure
        
        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        Now about three missing and one surviving conscript is known. More questions?
        
        Clearly, three or four is a lot, and if ten, is it already a lot?
        
        isofat
        
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        April 20 2022 19: 15
        
        Victorioyou are being deceived. How many "many" is unknown, and the death of even one person is a lot. The goal of this liberal is to cause distrust in the institutions of government. He spread rumors about Putin's palace, considers Navalny a victim of the regime, and so on.
        
        Victorio
        
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        April 21 2022 13: 38
        
        Quote: isofat
        Victorio, you are being deceived
        
        ) I see
Yuri V.A

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April 18 2022 10: 07

What detonated, the ammunition in the armory?
1. Marzhecki
  
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  April 18 2022 10: 29
  
  Rather, anti-ship missiles Harpoon on board.
  1. Yuri V.A
    
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    April 18 2022 10: 34
    
    The harpoon is one of the likely root causes, but detonation was declared as a result, and then I wonder what?
  2. Oleg Rambover
    
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    April 18 2022 10: 47
    
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have anti-ship missiles Harpoon
    1. Marzhecki
      
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      April 18 2022 11: 04
      
      The NATO bloc has the Harpoon RCC, which supplies weapons and military advisers to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      Olezha, you spent a month and a half in the basement in order to get out now and start acting like a liberal fool?
      1. Oleg Rambover
        
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        April 18 2022 11: 38
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        The NATO bloc has the Harpoon RCC, which supplies weapons and military advisers to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        
        Something you are more and more falling into conspiracy theories. Do you know how intelligence relates to faith in conspiracy theories?
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Olezha, you spent a month and a half in the basement in order to get out now and start acting like a liberal fool?
        
        Sergey, not one and a half, but two. Was in the bath. Why fool around? Because you can't answer?
        
        Marzhecki
        
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        April 18 2022 13: 00
        
        Something you are more and more falling into conspiracy theories. Do you know how intelligence relates to faith in conspiracy theories?
        
        Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being watched.
        
        Sergey, not one and a half, but two. Was in the bath. Why fool around? Because you can't answer?
        
        I think you'll be back there soon. I already answered.
        
        Oleg Rambover
        
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        April 18 2022 14: 22
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being watched.
        
        Paranoia in the head, bad when it affects decision making.
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        I think you'll be back there soon. I already answered.
        
        The fact that I will return there in no way cancels the fact that you are not able to give a reasoned answer, only this:
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        The author wants to sew up the mouths of all liberals.
        
        isofat
        
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        April 19 2022 00: 26
        
        Olezhek, why don't you dive in for arguments yourself?
        
        Marzhecki
        
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        April 19 2022 06: 55
        
        The fact that I will return there in no way cancels the fact that you are not able to give a reasoned answer, only this:
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        The author wants to sew up the mouths of all liberals.
        
        All my articles are reasoned answers to people like you. I had several articles about the wrecking nature of Russian liberalism.
        
        Oleg Rambover
        
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        April 19 2022 16: 51
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        All my articles are reasoned answers to people like you.
        
        And what is your evidence that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have Harpoon anti-ship missiles?
        
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        I had several articles about the wrecking nature of Russian liberalism.
        
        Well, if you had an article, then yes. An article of the same level as "What conclusions can be drawn from the death of the Moskva missile cruiser?
        It remains to publish an article about the benefits of Russian fascism. The topic is close to you, more than once expressed in a similar vein.
  3. orgies
    
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    April 18 2022 11: 03
    
    If you believe the Ukrainians, then Neptune ... Two pieces ..
2. Mikhail Novikov
  
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  April 18 2022 13: 35
  
  The room is the room in which Yury V.A. is sitting. On a ship, this is called a cellar.
  1. Yuri V.A
    
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    April 18 2022 14: 00
    
    Wow, what a zealous keeper of terminology. And what then, sitting in the cellar Mikhail Novikov, does this change?
Navigator

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April 18 2022 10: 18

the weather is not stormy. They lied again.
Hayer31

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April 18 2022 10: 52

Why did the Captain leave the ship? No more tradition in force?
1. wichera65
  
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  April 18 2022 11: 16
  
  Here the captain (according to the Moreman tradition) needs to shoot. And how will he live with it.
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svetlanavradiy

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April 18 2022 11: 12

It would be necessary to raise it and find out about the causes of the fire (if it was a fire).
1. Ivan IV Vasilievich
  
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  April 18 2022 20: 53
  
  Quote: svetlanavradiy
  and find out the cause of the fire
  
  Don't worry, there will definitely be an investigation. I'm sure it has already begun - upon the death of the ship and crew members
ChopChop

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April 18 2022 11: 35

The cruiser was in the Odessa region, closer to Romania! A new phased array locator was installed on it a year ago, the illumination range is 500 km! Why was he there? Ukrainian planes flew to the airfield in Romania, and from there they took off towards the sea, made a detour, and from the Odessa side went ashore, then flew to Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, and struck at the Russian troops! All airfields in the area of Nikolaev and Odessa are broken, and they could not understand from where? Therefore, they drove Moscow with a powerful locator! It began to shine, and crests began to be intercepted from the airfields of the Crimea and from near Donetsk. Our Su 35 shot down 9 MiGs and Sushki! All this was calculated by NATO! And here is the result! First, drones hit the cruiser, smashed radars and antennas! The cruiser shot down one! But already half blind! Then Khokhols launched 2 Neptune cruise missiles from the shore! Guidance was carried out by NATO's Orion, which hung over Romania, he also turned on the REP, and lit up the cruiser's air defense detection station! The missiles went to the ship, with the homing heads turned off, so that the ship would not detect the radiation beam, the guidance was carried out by Orion NATO! By transmitting the exact coordinates of the ship to the missiles! Outcome. 2 hits, detonation of ammunition, and the cruiser began to sink!
1. Marzhecki
  
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  April 18 2022 13: 04
  
  First, drones hit the cruiser, smashed radars and antennas! The cruiser shot down one! But already half blind!
  
  He has poor air defense that the miserable Bayraktar can half blind ...
  
  Then Khokhols launched 2 Neptune cruise missiles from the shore! Guidance was carried out by NATO's Orion, which hung over Romania, he also turned on the REP, and lit up the cruiser's air defense detection station! The missiles went to the ship, with the homing heads turned off, so that the ship would not detect the radiation beam, the guidance was carried out by Orion NATO! By transmitting the exact coordinates of the ship to the missiles!
  
  Very likely.
  1. ChopChop
    
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    April 18 2022 16: 02
    
    Don't forget about Orion's air defense coverage. The short-range air defense system went off.
  2. isofat
    
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    April 19 2022 00: 34
    
    Sergey Evgenievichif time permits, read it. I think it's too early to draw conclusions. Here's the link:
    https://naked-science.ru/community/442025/
    
    PS It happens that in order to form a picture, you need to take into account different points of view, I want to help you.
    1. Marzhecki
      
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      April 19 2022 06: 56
      
      Thanks, got to know. We have already written about Norwegian missiles. Maybe.
      The Romanians could give target designation, the Ukrainians - they fired rockets. Minus the flagship and an unspecified number of crew members. A black day in the history of the Russian Navy, and a reason to think about a lot.
2. Mikhail Novikov
  
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  April 18 2022 13: 37
  
  How smart you are! Member, right? In the water area around Odessa, half a thousand mines float freely.
  1. Marzhecki
    
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    April 19 2022 07: 38
    
    As I understand it, a total of 420 mines were installed, and some of them were blown off in a storm. That is, there is no question of any five thousand mines.
3. Ivan IV Vasilievich
  
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  April 18 2022 14: 23
  
  Quote from ChopChop
  First, drones hit the cruiser, smashed radars and antennas! The cruiser shot down one! But already half blind! Then Khokhols launched 2 Neptune cruise missiles from the shore! Guidance was carried out by NATO's Orion, which hung over Romania, he also turned on the REP, and lit up the cruiser's air defense detection station!
  
  You should write fantastic novels) Look at the Volna anti-aircraft missile guidance station (on the aft superstructure, almost on the roof of the helicopter hangar). It is deployed on the march, not in combat, which means that missiles from the cruiser did not work on air targets.
  
  Quote from ChopChop
  The missiles went to the ship, with the homing heads turned off
  
  Neither the Harpoon, nor the Neptune, nor the X-35 can do that. These missiles have ARLGSN. Before putting forward versions, it would be nice to know the materiel
4. Oleg Rambover
  
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  April 18 2022 21: 37
  
  Quote from ChopChop
  The missiles went to the ship, with the homing heads turned off, so that the ship would not detect the radiation beam, the guidance was carried out by Orion NATO!
  
  It is highly doubtful that Orion will be able to bring the successor to the Soviet X35. In general, Orion can highlight the target?
5. MG
  
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  April 19 2022 08: 11
  
  explain to me, ignoramus, why put such equipment in front of everyone in a mine hazard area and without sufficient cover? to illuminate aircraft? Wouldn't it be easier to hang a pair of AWACS?
  and if Orion directs missiles at our ships and illuminates air defense systems, does this not mean NATO's direct participation in the conflict? and how could he even get close to our cruiser with impunity?
Kade_t

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April 18 2022 12: 34

This is not a Harpoon, Ukraine has a subsonic NEPTUNE anti-ship missile, a firing range of 280 km, a flight altitude at the final stage when approaching a target of 5-10 m, this is a very difficult target for the air defense of any ship, judging by the photo, the missile hit the center just above the side, the guidance system such missiles just hit the center of the ship.
1. Marzhecki
  
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  April 18 2022 13: 02
  
  Maybe Neptune, maybe Harpoon. The main thing is the result.
Dejan Barich

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April 18 2022 13: 23

The Pentagon does not seem to confirm the missile attack on Moscow. And then what? If this is a repetition of 1974 with the BOD "Brave", then it turns out that the Black Sea Moremans have not learned anything since those events, or what? With such an attitude to the entrusted equipment, no budget will be enough
1. Ivan IV Vasilievich
  
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  April 18 2022 20: 06
  
  Quote: Deyan Baric
  The Pentagon does not seem to confirm
  
  found a very reliable and respected source)
  Judging by the photo, one gets the impression that they caught one rocket, along the midsection. The second (in the stern), if it was, did not explode (there was no particular damage to the stern, but there was a fire).
  The cellars of the Fort air defense system also burned (the question is - what led to the fire? It can be assumed that the first missile entered from the bow side, and the blast wave, etc. went to the stern - then it is understandable), this can be seen from the tan marks on board, but this area the ship is outwardly the most complete.
  
  But it is inexplicable how fire and water penetrated through the battened down hatches (and they should have been battened down)
Mikhail Novikov

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April 18 2022 13: 34

Very similar to the result of undermining a floating mine. The list indicates the flooding of the starboard compartments below the waterline, either as a result of an explosion or to extinguish a fire in the cellars.
1. Ivan IV Vasilievich
  
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  April 18 2022 14: 43
  
  Left side.
  
  The fact of the matter is that the roll speaks of the flooding of the compartments, but as a result of which - underwater holes or these are the consequences of extinguishing - it does not explain. Detailed photos of the ship would tell a lot (the nature of the damage from a mine, anti-ship missiles and an internal explosion is different), but they are not, and, most likely, they will not be. He did not reach Sevastopol
  
  However, if we take into account the fact that the ship still sank, then the damage to the underwater part should be more than serious. Mines of the NM type with 20 kg of TNT are not capable of such. Only internal explosions could do this.
  
  Could it be that the mine made a hole in the power plant compartment, caused a fire, which somehow went into the aft aft compartments, into the compartment with the launchers and cellars of the Fort air defense system, and the missiles were already detonated? Judging by the photo, this part of the ship was also on fire. And the arrow is out.
  But the thing is that the compartment where the Fort is located is along the diametrical plane. There are no cellars on the right and left sides. A roll to port, and a good roll.
Yuriy88

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April 18 2022 14: 19

the sea, by the way, is relatively calm .. So maybe a lot of people were saved ..
1_2

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April 18 2022 14: 36

let the specialists decide whether a large cruiser struck by Harpoon or Neptune can maintain buoyancy, if it cannot (and it retained buoyancy), then it was not attacked by anti-ship missiles.
ChopChop

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April 18 2022 16: 32

The bad thing is that the real state of affairs is hushed up. And if the NATO Orion highlighted the target, then this is a direct participation in the conflict, i.e. ours will have to turn on the response, and then the 3rd World War. Therefore, ours are silent, they don’t even puff out their cheeks.
1. Ivan IV Vasilievich
  
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  April 18 2022 20: 00
  
  Quote from ChopChop
  And if the NATO Orion illuminated the target
  
  explain how he could highlight the target? Rockets of the "Harpoon" type ("Neptune" and Kh-35) are completely autonomous after launch. They first follow the INS (autopilot), then their own active seeker works. You do not know the device of the rocket and the principle of its guidance?
  
  NATO could give target designation, i.e. data for programming the rocket's autopilot, for loading a flight task into it before launch. Everything, after the launch, the rocket is absolutely autonomous and does not depend on a person at all. What other backlight and why is it needed?
Polente the Wanderer

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April 18 2022 18: 58
They didn’t want to modernize it before because of the high cost. But the weapons remained. You can probably use it. The only question is at what depth, the area sank.
1. Ivan IV Vasilievich
  
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  April 18 2022 19: 53
  
  Quote: Wanderer Polente
  The only question is
  
  The question is what condition is it in? The hull can get such holes that it either makes no sense to lift it, or when trying to lift it, it can simply fall apart into several parts. Recall that the BOD "Brave" (which died due to the spontaneous launch of one of the missiles, the subsequent fire and detonation of the BC and whose team, by the way, was a multiple winner in combat and other training) was not lifted, although it lay only 130 meters and on board he had something interesting - the condition of the hull did not allow to get the ship. His remains were finished off on the ground with explosive charges.
  There is nothing interesting on the "Moskva" (perhaps, except for the ZAS equipment), the ship is almost fifty dollars and it has not undergone major upgrades. It was repaired - yes, but it was not radically updated.
Enoch

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April 18 2022 22: 01

Silence is golden, but Truth is more precious.
Volga073

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April 19 2022 07: 21

floating mine
gelerter

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April 19 2022 18: 11

... An interesting, but so far unconfirmed version of the fate of the cruiser Moskva has appeared. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has not yet officially expressed itself in any way.
The ship had a phased array locator with an illumination range of 500 km, which allowed it to track the fact that the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took off from airfields in Romania and flew at low altitude to the Dnieper and Kharkov. So 9 MiGs and Sushki of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were shot down. It's all calculated in NATO. First, the cruiser was hit by drones, locators and antennas were smashed. According to unconfirmed information, the MRAU was inflicted by Kh-35 missiles from Su-24 tactical bombers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the RK-360MTs Neptune coastal missile system. The target designation was given by the NATO Global Hawk unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, the Bayraktar TB-2 UAVs delivered a distracting strike. As a result, on the night of April 13-14, 22 aviation and coastal anti-ship missiles were launched at the cruiser Moskva. During the anti-missile battle, the crew of the cruiser managed to repel the missile strike, destroying 20 of the 22 attacking missiles, which, to put it mildly, shocked the enemy ...