Ministry of Defense: On the cruiser "Moskva" fire, detonation of ammunition occurred

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On the night of April 14, it became known that a fire broke out on board the missile cruiser Moskva (project 1164 Atlant), which is part of the 30th division of surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy (military unit 10790). The press was informed about this by the Russian Defense Ministry.


In the message of the department it was said that as a result of a strong fire there was a detonation of ammunition. The RK was seriously damaged, and the entire crew was evacuated from its side. The circumstances of the incident are being investigated and the details will be later.

Based on this, it is not clear how the struggle for the survivability of the ship was carried out, whether there were any victims, how it all ended and in which area of ​​the Black Sea it happened. No new information has yet been received from the RF Ministry of Defense.

It should be noted that the crew of the ship is about 500 people. The RK is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and the lead ship of this project. As of January 1, 2022, the Russian Navy had two more similar ships: Marshal Ustinov (flagship of the Northern Fleet) and Varyag (flagship of the Pacific Fleet). All of them were built at the Shipyard named after 61 Communards in Nikolaev (Ukrainian SSR). The main strike weapons of the ships are Soviet P-1000 Vulkan anti-ship missiles (16 launchers).
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  1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 14 2022 10: 05
    +1
    The detonation of ammunition is actually the end of the ship. There is information that it has already sunk. Information about the fate of the crew is contradictory. Here's all the bravado and hatred.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) April 14 2022 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: EVYN WIXH
      The detonation of ammunition is actually the end of the ship.

      to judge the end, first you need to know in which part the detonation occurred, do you have at least a diagram of the location of the ammunition on the ship?

      Quote: EVYN WIXH
      There is information that it has already sunk.

      Well, yes, the Ukrainians reported this

      Quote: EVYN WIXH
      Information about the fate of the crew is contradictory.

      mo reported crew evacuation

      Quote: EVYN WIXH
      Here's all the bravado and hatred.

      I have not seen this, including from the Black Sea Fleet. perhaps this, like the tragic case with three BDK in Berdyansk, indicates negligence, in the worst case, incompetence.

      in fact, there are miscalculations, mistakes, unforeseen and accidents with all the consequences. but he does not err who does nothing.
      1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
        EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 14 2022 11: 01
        +1
        Look at the situation soberly, only at the facts, excluding victorious reports (both the Russian Federation and Ukraine). What do we see? The advance of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of Ukraine has stopped (a small advance in the Donbas cannot be considered as such). 4 previously occupied areas are left. They are getting stronger and seriously pumped up from all over the world with the weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (no one puts any obstacles to them in this). No action has been taken for a couple of weeks now. So, who is doing what now? We're just waiting. What? Maybe I don't understand something?
        1. Victorio Offline Victorio
          Victorio (Victorio) April 14 2022 11: 13
          +1
          Quote: EVYN WIXH
          Look at the situation soberly, only on the facts,

          I'm not a drinker at all

          Quote: EVYN WIXH
          No action has been taken for a couple of weeks now. So, who is doing what now? We're just waiting. What? Maybe I don't understand something?

          fights are going on every day. what, how and where information from the General Staff and in the field, something leaks in other ways. some of this situation extracts something, but we are waiting, minding our own business, so I think.
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) April 14 2022 11: 37
          -1
          Look at the situation soberly, only at the facts, excluding victorious reports (both the Russian Federation and Ukraine). What do we see?

          Somehow you selectively exclude them and give facts only confirming your point of view.

          The advance of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of Ukraine has stopped (a small advance in the Donbas cannot be considered as such).

          Why can't it be considered as such? You are not satisfied with the numbers (miles per day traveled)? Yes, and "on the whole territory" ... Do you happen to confuse the special operation with the Belgorod-Przemysl rally through the wild savannah and dunes?

          4 previously occupied areas are left.

          Do you want to say the glorious salobatyrs knocked out a Khresor? They left for the Donbass to help pick out the “warriors of light” who had come in large numbers from the trenches. Recycle, clean up and go where they need. Who will stop them?

          They are strengthening and seriously pumped up from all over the world with the weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (no one puts any obstacles to them in this).

          Firstly, they do not increase and pump up, but try to make up for losses. Or do you not consider the data of the RF Ministry of Defense on the number of destroyed equipment and weapons to be facts?
          Secondly, who told you that "no obstacles"? Are you sure this is a fact? How do you imagine "obstacles"? In the form of a customs post on the Polish border?

          No action has been taken for a couple of weeks now. So, who is doing what now? We're just waiting. What? Maybe I don't understand something?

          The last question seems to be the correct one. yes What action do you want? Are you waiting for dances with a tambourine or some other entertainment program? People are busy and working. Interested in details? Might be worth looking at the original source.
          https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/[email protected]

          The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation in Ukraine.

          During the night of April 14, 12 enemy targets were destroyed by high-precision weapons. Including: in the settlements of Velyka Mikhailovka and Bogatyr - two warehouses of rocket and artillery weapons of Ukrainian troops; A Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jet, a Mi-8 helicopter and a Bayraktar TB-2 unmanned aerial vehicle were destroyed at the Dnepr airfield.

          Operational-tactical aviation hit 48 military facilities of Ukraine in a day. Among them: two command posts, a radar station, two positions of a multiple launch rocket system, an artillery battery, six depots of missile and artillery weapons, as well as 48 areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment.

          Rocket troops and artillery hit 770 objects, including 9 command posts, 101 strongholds, 548 areas of accumulation of manpower and firepower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 110 artillery firing positions, the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system and an ammunition depot.

          In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 131 aircraft, 104 helicopters, 245 anti-aircraft missile systems, 448 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2179 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 248 multiple rocket launchers, 944 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 2088 units of special military vehicles.

          During the operation to liberate the city of Mariupol, 134 more Ukrainian servicemen, including 14 officers, voluntarily laid down their arms and surrendered overnight. In just one day, 1160 Ukrainian servicemen of the 36th Marine Brigade voluntarily surrendered. Among them, 176 officers.
          1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
            EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 14 2022 12: 24
            +1
            Are you trying to be smart? So-so it turns out, cool. You play with words and again confirm the facts. Areas are left - a fact. The armament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues (but what you call it there is not important) is a fact. Have you seen the troops transferred from the abandoned regions in the Donbass? There began a decisive offensive? Again they "stuffed" the report of the RF Ministry of Defense. Take, as a counterbalance, a summary of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry. I immediately asked without these: "Hurrah" or "ALL IS GONE". And your verbiage, seasoned with attempts (rather pathetic) to joke arrogantly, is not a sign of a correct discussion.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) April 14 2022 12: 54
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              Are you trying to be smart? So-so it turns out, cool. You play with words and again confirm the facts. Areas are left - a fact.

              Am I playing with words? Do you want to talk facts?
              Left the area? Is there a solid front line there? This is a mobile war. They wanted to come, they wanted to leave. Who puts them back?

              The armament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues (but what you call it there is not important) is a fact.

              Was it supposed to stop? Why? "Partners" conscience will not allow this, or is the border with Poland under the control of Russian border guards? This happens in almost all conflicts. Combat operations are going on and weapons and ammunition are being supplied there by any means. Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Karabakh, Vietnam, the list is endless. So it was, is and will be. And what will you do with this fact? I'll tell you another terrible secret, the operation has been going on for more than a month, and they are still shooting there. Now live with this knowledge.

              Have you seen the troops transferred from the abandoned regions in the Donbass?

              Strange question. Did you see where they took them? Do you think that they were sent beyond the Urals?

              There began a decisive offensive?

              Why do you need a decisive offensive? They are so easily crushed. Someone somewhere in a hurry?

              Again they "stuffed" the report of the RF Ministry of Defense. Take, as a counterbalance, a summary of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry. I immediately asked without these: "Hurrah" or "ALL IS GONE".

              Let's take a summary of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, show, compare, discuss yes
              If you are not satisfied with the information of the direct participants, where are you going to get the data from? From the astral plane or from Radio Liberty?
            2. special correspondent Offline special correspondent
              special correspondent (oleg) April 14 2022 14: 38
              +3
              you know, for some unknown reason, ukronazi-bots take "nicknames", which immediately "fire" them. Do you have absolutely no imagination?
              1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
                EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 14 2022 15: 25
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                I cannot judge the level of your intellect, but your abilities for insight and ingenuity tend to zero. Yes, and the beginning of a sentence in Russian is capitalized.
                1. Victorio Offline Victorio
                  Victorio (Victorio) April 14 2022 17: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: EVYN WIXH
                  I cannot judge the level of your intellect, but your abilities for insight and ingenuity tend to zero. Yes, and the beginning of a sentence in Russian is capitalized.

                  I also write without capitals. such a habit, once only scribbling sms on the phone.
                  1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
                    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 15 2022 08: 45
                    +1
                    Wouldn't pay attention if it was just information. Here, a person is trying to build something out of himself, hanging labels, just because he does not like someone's opinion.
                2. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 17: 29
                  +1
                  EVYN WIXH, I'll give you a hint. you must understand what it means to address you with a small letter - you will not be forced to be nice. smile

                  PS If you suddenly stupid. In my comment, a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence was used as an example. yes
                  1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
                    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 15 2022 08: 36
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                    I didn’t get into your “darlings”. There are rules and there are exceptions. Here - neither one nor the other. You are the stupid one here. Who prevented the "wise guy" from starting a sentence with another word?
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) April 15 2022 12: 17
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                      Quote: EVYN WIXH
                      Who prevented the "wise guy" from starting a sentence with another word?

                      EVYN WIXH, stupid, I assure you, you would like other words even less. laughing
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        3. avm Offline avm
          avm ( Alexei) April 14 2022 12: 47
          +2
          Since you are so smart and informed, then answer - 2179 tanks and other armored combat vehicles ... how does this stand for? a tank is a tank with armor and a gun of at least 100mm, but what are other armored vehicles? as I understand it, this is an infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, mtlb ... but this is not the same thing, and at the beginning of the army there were about 2000 combat-ready tanks, so how many tanks were destroyed, why mix tanks and non-tanks in one pile in the summary, the same the same for aviation, all in one heap ...
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) April 14 2022 13: 11
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            Since you are so smart and informed, then answer - 2179 tanks and other armored combat vehicles ... how does it stand for? A tank is a tank with armor and a gun of at least 100mm, but what are other armored vehicles? I understand this is an infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, mtlb ... but this is not the same thing, and at the beginning there were about 2000 combat-ready tanks in the APU, so how many tanks were destroyed, why mix tanks and non-tanks in one pile in the summary, the same for aviation, all in one heap...

            You are clearly exaggerating my level of knowledge. You are not satisfied with this presentation of information? What to do, it’s just accepted, well, they don’t write in detail and the claim is probably not only in the RF Ministry of Defense. Do you want an example? Two years ago, if anything.

            The Ukrainian authorities for the first time announced the loss of equipment during the armed conflict in the Donbass. According to the Ministry of Defense, cited by Defense Express, during the first two years of military clashes, damage was received 2576 tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored vehicles.

            https://rg.ru/2020/02/12/na-ukraine-raskryli-poteri-tehniki-vhode-konflikta-v-donbasse.html

            And "others" can be anything, self-propelled guns, tank-based engineering vehicles, and so on.
            So the question is in the wrong place. hi
  2. slesarg65 Offline slesarg65
    slesarg65 (Igor Ivanov) April 14 2022 18: 13
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    the ship is afloat, the missiles in the stern are intact, according to preliminary data, an artillery charge exploded, a hook-camera in the bow, all the artillery was also there. The running gear did not suffer, the fuel did not catch fire either. what is the end of the ship? dock and lengthy, that's all, but here's what happens in the dock, alas, we know from Kuznetsov.
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) April 16 2022 15: 20
      +1
      Quote: slesarg65
      the ship is afloat, the missiles in the stern are intact, according to preliminary data, an artillery charge exploded, a hook-camera in the bow, all the artillery was also there. The running gear did not suffer, the fuel did not catch fire either. what is the end of the ship? dock and lengthy, that's all, but here's what happens in the dock, alas, we know from Kuznetsov.

      here is a video of the moment of flooding



      if YouTube is blocked for you, write - I will copy it. and yes, damage from the nose and almost to the felling.
      1. slesarg65 Offline slesarg65
        slesarg65 (Igor Ivanov) April 19 2022 00: 47
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        Alas! I wrote my comment before this outcome. and in the first photos the tank was not visible, but only now it is visible during the flight around the backboard and the hawse, nothing was left at all. but in terms of these destructions, there can be no talk of any rocket. it's a mine! during a storm they ran into a drifting mine. the skin is concave by the blast wave. In the event of an explosion of an art charge, the side would be curved outward, the rocket also has time to "fly in" and only then explodes. and mine is outside.
  3. NNikolaich Offline NNikolaich
    NNikolaich (NNikolaich) April 15 2022 01: 38
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    "Moscow" sank at 22 pm, Moscow time ...
    Yeah, shove. Stars will fly from shoulder straps ..
  4. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
    sH, arK April 15 2022 15: 19
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    "Moscow - Slava" is nearly 40 years old! Yes, the ship went through a small MOT, in fact, only restoring seaworthiness, otherwise it was in a state of landing stage! And we must understand that, for example, our "Kuzya" is not even a landing stage anymore! I remember him in 92 - at the fire station of Murmansk - it was already a sad sight then! Half of the cabins are abandoned! Yes, he was "reanimated" in the full sense of the word - he was pulled out of the "other world", but excuse me, when a patient is pulled out of such a state, can he really be a good soldier?

    Of course, a separate song - what did Moscow do abeam Odessa, given that it was armed only with heavy anti-ship missiles, which are not needed there now?! And yes, the ship had an old, but powerful radar, although not the most modern but quite powerful air defense!
    And it is completely clear that if it was a sabotage or a mine explosion, and these are the most likely events, then extremely serious questions arise for the management of the Navy!
    If this is an anti-ship missile attack, which is hard to believe, because a single-pair launch of Neptune could break through air defense under very strange circumstances that raise another bunch of questions! Yes, targeting Neptune anti-ship missiles, it’s clear what could be done by target designation from UAVs and AWACS of NATO countries that are constantly spinning there ... But to break through air defense with two missiles ?!
    In general, there are a lot of questions, and first of all, to the command of the Navy! And the big question is how long will it last? Why did the beginning of the NWO go like this? Why did the barracks remain? What kind of giveaways? If you started a war, then fight! Why is gas transit going on? Why are government quarters intact in Kuev? And most importantly, why are all the roads, bridges, crossings, interchanges, tunnels, railway stations intact throughout Western Durkain?! Yes, even oil storage facilities and refineries, together with the tank farm and - have been destroyed today by only 50-60%? What is it like? Questions - just darkness! With the lives of our soldiers, all sorts of scum like Medinsky and Piskov are making a career for themselves ?! Decide someone's interests?
  • Sergey Latyshev Online Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 14 2022 10: 14
    0
    For some reason, about another ship, DK, that sank, in another media they said that the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was definitely established.
    Didn't see that information here.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 17: 09
      +1
      Sergey Latyshev, one should not exclude the possibility that the enemy may still bite, especially when his warriors begin to surrender en masse.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Online Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 14 2022 17: 13
        0
        this is another...
        it's understandable...
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 17: 45
          +1
          Sergey Latyshev, this is not another. Today, the information space is so polluted that I personally am in no hurry to draw categorical conclusions. For example, they say that the number of those who have surrendered is already approaching three thousand. Although this seems to be true, let's not rush.

          The example of the first thousand could well become such a catalyst, everyone is tired of the war, but again, let's not rush. A cunning enemy is fighting with us, the Bandera people are not suitable for this place.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Online Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 14 2022 23: 38
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            STE another .... (famous phrase)
            I'm talking about the ship, it would be logical to continue information about it - what happened there. enough time has passed.
            You are talking about those who surrendered - more accurate info will be clearly later
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 15 2022 01: 04
              0
              What happened, there is a big game, one can only guess. It's not about the ship. And not about Ukrainians.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 14 2022 10: 15
    +7
    In my opinion, such losses for a special operation are too much. Perhaps it's time to call a spade a spade, and treat them accordingly.
    Such losses in the war may well be, but they clearly speak of its level, and the level of our collective enemy. Even if the war is imposed on us, it is more expensive to ignore its scale
    1. slesarg65 Offline slesarg65
      slesarg65 (Igor Ivanov) April 14 2022 18: 16
      +1
      Article 353 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. You can do it, you can't call it. And yes, it may well be a sabotage or just slovenliness, and also mines that have been torn off their lanyards and are drifting. everything can be
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 15 2022 00: 08
      0
      Alexey, this is not our first old ship that caught fire and sank, there was a case not very long ago, and in peacetime. Although, I will not argue, conclusions, correct conclusions, must be drawn.
      1. Victorio Offline Victorio
        Victorio (Victorio) April 16 2022 15: 26
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        Quote: isofat
        Alexey, this is not our first old ship that caught fire and sank, there was a case not very long ago, and in peacetime. Although, I will not argue, conclusions, correct conclusions, must be drawn.

        the question is different, what is there for a cruiser in Odessa to do, to earn "combat"?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 16 2022 21: 39
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          In connection with the delivery of anti-ship complexes by NATO members to Ukraine, the security of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is impossible either now or in the future without a final solution to the issue of the Black Sea coast of Ukraine, with the cities of Odessa and Nikolaev.
          1. Victorio Offline Victorio
            Victorio (Victorio) April 17 2022 11: 17
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            Quote: isofat
            In connection with the delivery of anti-ship complexes by NATO members to Ukraine, the security of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is impossible either now or in the future without a final solution to the issue of the Black Sea coast of Ukraine, with the cities of Odessa and Nikolaev.

            where is this quote from?
            and here are reflections on the tragedy with the cruiser https://tewi.ru/o-tom-chto-proizoshlo-s-krejserom-moskva/
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) April 17 2022 15: 37
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              Quote: Victorio
              ... where is the quote from?

              https://cont.ws/@chervonec001/2262727
              1. Victorio Offline Victorio
                Victorio (Victorio) April 17 2022 16: 30
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                Quote: isofat
                https://cont.ws/@chervonec001/2262727

                Well, there is nothing here about the supply of foreign anti-ship missiles to Ukraine.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) April 17 2022 20: 12
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                  But there is a sunken cruiser and allegations that Zelensky's Nazis will continue to be supplied with weapons.
                  1. Victorio Offline Victorio
                    Victorio (Victorio) April 17 2022 21: 53
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                    Quote: isofat
                    But there is a sunken cruiser and allegations that Zelensky's Nazis will continue to be supplied with weapons.

                    here is something else, foreign PKR require foreign specialists. hardly had time to prepare the Ukrainians themselves. if they brought in the installation, specialists, then this is a fat minus not only for the fleet, but also for intelligence.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) April 17 2022 22: 30
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                      Victorio. If we are looking for someone to blame, let's not limit ourselves to one corvette. This regime exists exclusively with the assistance and support of states hostile to Russia. yes
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 14 2022 10: 17
    +9
    The State Defense Committee (GKO) was established on June 30, 1941. ... The GKO regulations had the force of wartime laws.

    Perhaps the time has come to create such a committee in Russia, if the Kremlin claims that Russia is now at war against all of NATO? So the Swedes and Finns are pulling up.
    If there is a war, then you need to act accordingly to the moment that has come.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) April 14 2022 11: 08
      +2
      Such a time has really come, this war simply cannot be won with half measures and half strength, it is necessary to continue the destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions much more resolutely and tougher, stop all negotiations with the enemy, intensify the destruction of the Ukrainian military infrastructure with precision-guided munitions and VKS, destroy all the main transport infrastructure, especially , railway and road bridges, all major railway stations, airfields, etc. stop waiting, you need to act.
    2. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) April 14 2022 11: 38
      +4
      And in addition to this, it is imperative to create SMERSH, giving them the appropriate powers, otherwise too many wise men have come loose and are pouring dirt on our guys who are fighting and not only ..., to the nail of all enemies and their henchmen !!!
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 14 2022 10: 23
    +9
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    In my opinion, such losses for a special operation are too much. Perhaps it's time to call a spade a spade, and treat them accordingly.
    Such losses in the war may well be, but they clearly speak of its level, and the level of our collective enemy. Even if the war is imposed on us, ignoring its scale, continuing to call it a special operation is more expensive for ourselves

    This is to put it mildly. A rare disgrace. The flagship was sunk.
    1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 14 2022 10: 35
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      Someone broadcast about victories? (in the sense of what to do when we win) Have you lost confidence? You can imagine the joy in their camp - the FLAGSHIP of the Black Sea Fleet "MOSCOW" was sunk. This news is worth dozens of victorious reports of the Russian Defense Ministry about strikes on some objects.
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) April 14 2022 10: 41
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        Someone broadcast about victories? (in the sense of what to do when we win)

        What to do when we win is goal-setting in order to understand why everything is being done.

        Lost confidence?

        As for the fact that things are going well in the fleet, I have been writing here for more than a year.
        And I am the only one here on the portal who has been writing for years that we are still suffering with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we will wash ourselves with blood. Colleagues argued with me, commentators insulted me. But everything turned out as I wrote.
        1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
          EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 14 2022 11: 29
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          I read that something similar (with the fleet) was at the beginning of the 20th century. The warships were painted: the sides were black, the superstructures were white (it was beautiful), the guns on the decks did not have protective shields. the actions of gunners during demonstration firing and parades were hidden from observers, etc. A fleet for parades ... Not strong in terminology, sorry if something is wrong.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 18: 29
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            EVYN WIXH, write a lot. Seeing your feelings I will try to calm:

            Cruiser "Moskva" is afloat and is able to go under its own power, said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.
            1. Victorio Offline Victorio
              Victorio (Victorio) April 14 2022 23: 17
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              Quote: isofat
              EVYN WIXH, write a lot. Seeing your feelings I will try to calm:

              Cruiser "Moskva" is afloat and is able to go under its own power, said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.

              mo reported sank while being towed in bad weather. departed his ship. the second ship dies from the consequences of the fire
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 23: 56
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                Victorio, neither on the website of the Moscow Region, nor in the telegram channel of the Moscow Region, I had to subscribe, I did not find this information, although everyone refers to the Moscow Region. Let's wait and see if this will help Bandera. If suddenly ...
      2. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
        Yuriy88 (Yuri) April 14 2022 12: 23
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        can't argue here..
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) April 14 2022 10: 41
      +4
      This once again proves that underestimating the capabilities of the enemy is the biggest mistake in the war, apparently no necessary conclusions were drawn from the state of emergency in the port of Berdyansk, it's time to call a spade a spade, well, what a limited military operation this is a full-fledged war not only with Ukraine, but also with the West, it would be time to recognize this already and begin to act accordingly, in full force and without any restrictions and reservations.
    3. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) April 14 2022 17: 31
      +3
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      A rare disgrace. flagship drowned.

      ) it’s too early for you to “sink” the ship, but you earned pluses from the “all-slingers”
  • zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) April 14 2022 10: 32
    +7
    yes, gentlemen, military leaders - if among your goals there are untouchable goals - you will continue to be a gentleman with this quarter-95 for a long time. in conditions of war, decision-making centers and leadership are immediately destroyed. and our SBU is untouchable, the director of the circus-95 receives endless Western delegations, negotiates. We kind of heard from the guarantor that if someone turns up and regrets - and there is a parade of Western visitors - they wiped themselves with a warning, they are carrying weapons, they are filming videos and do not worry - because they felt untouchable. Therefore, the problems and losses are such that they ostentatiously imagine 2014 with green men, they decided that everyone will again meet you as polite people. It will all end in mistrust. You can’t throw people into battle to set inviolable goals in front of them, which in response kill and don’t take a steam bath. Everyone must be beaten, and especially the leadership - decision-making centers cannot be inviolable - we do not need honorary prisoners - let a legitimate loafer in Rostov sign everything that is necessary. Everything else is a target for destruction.
    1. avm Offline avm
      avm ( Alexei) April 14 2022 13: 01
      +1
      I agree one hundred percent ... in general, this special operation reminds me (in history) of the war of tsarist Russia with Japan in 1904-1905, when Russian liberals sent congratulatory telegrams from St. Petersburg to the Japanese emperor, on the occasion of the brilliant victories of Japanese weapons at Tsushima, under which then the river, etc. then, too, at the beginning of the war, the Japs were called yellow macaques and threatened to be thrown with hats, by the way, the collective west, led by the Angles, helped the Japanese then ...
  • Valery Bor Offline Valery Bor
    Valery Bor (Valery) April 14 2022 10: 35
    0
    Another "victory" ... There is no such "news" on the website of the RF Ministry of Defense. They came up with dill, now they will go to hang medals on their chests.
  • Astronaut Offline Astronaut
    Astronaut (San Sanych) April 14 2022 10: 54
    0
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not officially report ANYTHING. Everything else is hearsay.
  • Andrey Naumov Offline Andrey Naumov
    Andrey Naumov (Andrey Naumov) April 14 2022 11: 12
    0
    Three possible versions:
    1. Fire impact (Ukraine or NATO).
    2. Diversion.
    3. Abnormal exit of the rocket from the mine during its launch (most likely).
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) April 14 2022 17: 45
      -6
      Why these idle speculations? The Moskva cruiser was hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship missiles, everything that followed was the result of an accurate hit of the target. With this type of defeat, significant losses of personnel are inevitable, the ship cannot be restored.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 18: 04
        0
        Hello Binder, are you now in your historical homeland or a mercenary from Bandera? If what you said is true, demilitarization will continue. Although you may well shield another manufacturer, for example from Israel.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) April 14 2022 18: 25
          -4
          Have a nice one you too,isofat. I'm too old for a mercenary - 67 will hit soon. And I told the honest truth, there are no Israeli missiles in Ukraine, just as there are no other types of weapons - Prime Minister Bennett does not want to quarrel with Putin.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 14 2022 18: 41
            +2
            Binder, and you? Can't you be used, excuse me, as an information weapon? smile

            Israel in 2021 has increased arms sales well. Where do you sell it? laughing

            PS Communication with you is often very helpful.
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) April 14 2022 19: 07
              -6
              I can't be used in any capacity without my consent - not the right character, you know...
              The states that buy the products of the Israeli military-industrial complex are known - Google to the rescue. Ukraine is not among them. One of the most recent contracts is the delivery of Israel's Hetz-3 (Arrow 3) anti-missile systems to Germany.
      2. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
        kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) April 14 2022 20: 17
        +2
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        Why these idle speculations? The Moskva cruiser was hit by two Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship missiles, everything that followed was the result of an accurate hit of the target. With this type of defeat, significant losses of personnel are inevitable, the ship cannot be restored.

        Shalom, Com. "purebred". Where did they disappear? Did the Internet work in Odessa? laughing
        I'm wildly sorry, but when you give such information, links to the studio, please.
        Or is that the mouthpiece of the schenevmerliks? laughing
  • hlp5118 Offline hlp5118
    hlp5118 (hlp) April 14 2022 11: 15
    +7
    In January 2022, a couple of our high-ranking specialists commented on the NEPTUNE complex that it was only capable of destroying the Ukrainian fleet and that the missile would be detected and destroyed even at launch. It seems to me that these two are the same saboteurs as those who were preparing the Ukrainian operation.
  • BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine Offline BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine April 14 2022 11: 31
    -5
    E! Don't care about this old rubbish - it just takes up space! We need small, nimble, well-armed steamboats to protect the coasts!
    1. Andrey Naumov Offline Andrey Naumov
      Andrey Naumov (Andrey Naumov) April 14 2022 11: 48
      +1
      It may not be needed in the Black Sea, but ships of the 1st rank of the far sea zone are needed in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet. We cannot yet build such ones, competencies have been lost and there are no shipyards. The destroyer "Leader" seems to remain only a project. Therefore, the Orlans and Atlantes are being modernized.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 14 2022 11: 42
    +4
    It reminds me of a glove thrown in the West in our face and a declaration of war. Running away from war is stupid and dangerous. The one who runs - gets her in the back
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) April 14 2022 23: 12
      +1
      Whoever chooses shame between war and shame, ends up with both war and shame!..
  • sapper2 Offline sapper2
    sapper2 (Minesweeper2) April 14 2022 12: 01
    +1
    Do you not understand that there is a war going on? Be within range of coastal anti-ship weapons and not take action? They launched information into the network that an anti-ship missile was struck from the direction of Odessa .... We will wait for clarification ...
  • Kade_t Offline Kade_t
    Kade_t (Igor) April 14 2022 12: 16
    +1
    Detonation, yes, most likely, but that's the reason for the fire, somehow I can't believe it.
  • Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
    Yuriy88 (Yuri) April 14 2022 12: 29
    +4
    heroism and patriotism, of course, good! But if stupidity, stupidity, inability .. then write down the huge losses, both human and material !!! .. The flagship is at least 1 billion. dollars at a price, we don’t know how to build large ships at all and there is no one to build .. The Soviet father was left .. And consider .. shamefully prosr. We.! No arguments that "people remained intact" .. do not go ..! People were there so that the ship was intact and served, fought, but they ...?
  • Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) April 14 2022 13: 07
    +2
    Ministry of Defense of Russia:

    ▪️ The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.

    ▪️ Cruiser "Moskva" keeps buoyancy. The main missile armament was not damaged.

    ▪️ The crew was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area.

    ▪️ Measures are being taken to tow the cruiser to the port.

    ▪️ The cause of the fire is under investigation.
  • Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) April 14 2022 22: 56
    +2

    Russia will not be able to win in Ukraine on points, not by real fighting, but by “smearing porridge on a plate” and muttering something indefinite. So today, in his telegram channel, the well-known Russian military commander Alexander Sladkov reacted to the loss of the flagship cruiser of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy "Moskva".
    In his opinion, very soon such a position will lead to the fact that our military will no longer be trusted and come over to our side. The country's authorities must finally explain the difference between a special operation and military action. What are we doing in Ukraine? What are our goals, why do we tolerate Western sanctions? The people of Russia no longer understand this. If we want to find and punish specific people, then where is their list? Are we waging war for the sake of victory or are we just maneuvering between peaceful objects and citizens in search of weapons and Nazis? Russia will have allies and supporters only if we start to beat until a knockout, the military commander rightly believes.
    Alexander Sladkov was also supported by Voenkor Astrakhan. In his opinion, it is time to move from pride in one's humanity in war to the actual destruction of enemies and their facilities, and not just damage to them. It is clear to everyone that the missile launcher that hit the Moskva cruiser was located at some base, where instead of the 20 bombs laid down, only one was dropped, he stressed.

    As previously reported, the Czech Republic sent a large batch of RM-70 MLRS to Ukraine
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) April 15 2022 01: 58
      +1
      That's right. In the age of the Internet, hiding the truth is impossible. And withholding the truth leads to mistrust.
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  • Zwain Offline Zwain
    Zwain (Zwain) April 14 2022 23: 14
    0
    ,,,, yes, everything, already drowned.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) April 15 2022 02: 00
    +1
    We've sunk in, we're losing flagships .. Maybe it's good to be phony already - both with Ukraine and with the united West ??
  • Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) April 15 2022 03: 42
    -1
    Could it be a NATO submarine? Or combat swimmers? In any case, if NATO is involved in this, they need to take revenge later, in a year or two ..

    And about "nothing happens", there are reasons for this. Probably not just because there is no movement, but they also left Kyiv. Ukraine is turning into a gray zone. The main events now are in the economy, not only in Russia. To take for maintenance, restoration (and after the battles in the cities there will be a lot of things to restore, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sitting in the cities) parts of Ukraine, where the people believe in the propaganda of the regime and the promises of the West for a brighter future - you just fight on, there is no point.

    The only thing is that the threat to Donbass must be removed, there is such a request. The battle for Donbass will be, maybe not so large-scale, but it will be. But there is no point in hurrying, even if the West is in a hurry. In any case, the General Staff knows much more and believes that as it is now, just right. Destroying reservists in batches is not the goal of the operation. It is necessary to destroy the Nazis and those close to them in spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Foreign mercenaries to plant for 15 years. They will come out as completely different people, real Russians!
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) April 15 2022 04: 04
    +2
    Where is the [serious] response - to headquarters, ministries, the SBU, the presidential residence, the Verkh.Rada in Kyiv? negative
  • Neocom79 Offline Neocom79
    Neocom79 (Yaroslav) April 15 2022 05: 59
    +4
    I can not understand! To kill a snake, you have to cut off its head! Remember the beginning of the operation - Zelensky disappeared for a week .. he was afraid to stick his nose out of the bunker! At the interview, he was tired and not shaved! And now look? Sleek in a suit receives guests in Kyiv without fear of anything! And we withdrew troops, lost a bunch of people during the retreat, got bogged down in the massacre in Mariupol ... Meanwhile, Kyiv knocks out new weapons from Europe, shoots down our planes, shells our settlements, sinks our coolest ships - what are we doing? Let the LPR and DPR take care of Mariupol, return to Kiev .... The fish rots from the head! Kyiv will be taken and everything else will be resolved ... There will be no all this that is happening now! Zelensky was shocked - they are no longer afraid of us like in the first month of the war! A little more and Green will be admired ...
  • opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) April 15 2022 12: 29
    +1
    I hope now that there are no well-known idiots who keep asking what will happen, will we make an amphibious landing in Odessa or not? Transnistria is the most powerful fighter/aircraft carrier in Russia
    1. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) April 16 2022 15: 37
      0
      Quote: opportunist
      I hope now that there are no well-known idiots who keep asking what will happen, will we make an amphibious landing in Odessa or not? Transnistria - the most powerful fighter / aircraft carrier in Russia

      Moldova will immediately cut off the gas and the border, and Transnistria will become. Does the Russian Federation plan to take Odessa, Ishmael? can after all and to leave under "guarantees". Yes, and Odessa looks where it smells of money