Russia may become a new world center for civil aviation


One of the main complaints against our "sislibs" is that they have driven the domestic aircraft industry into international cooperation on extremely unfavorable conditions for the country. As a result, aircraft of Soviet designs were undeservedly forgotten for many years, and after the introduction of Western sanctions, remakes in the face of the MS-21 and the Superjet were left without the lion's share of imported components. Now they rushed to resume mass production of the Tu-214 and Il-96, which, it turns out, are "normal, they fly." But is it possible to turn the situation with dependence on imports in the opposite direction in the future?


Strictly speaking, a scheme with a SKD "screwdriver" assembly of a foreign equipment is one of the effective tools of the so-called soft power. Car kits or components for aircraft are produced at foreign enterprises, providing them with jobs and GDP growth. The country where the assembly is carried out with a minimum degree of localization, de facto turns into economic colony of the West. Go and then yak if its “industry” can be stopped at any moment by stopping the supply of materials and components. Russia has now blabbed, and only thanks to the presence of the Soviet legacy, which is still preserved, we will not be left completely without aircraft now. Handy "galoshes"!

But we asked ourselves the question - is it possible to make it so that others depend on us technically and that Moscow, at its own request, could block the supply of components to "unfriendly countries", influencing their policies? Let's try to simulate this situation in the aircraft industry, since we are talking about it.

JV with Iran?


Not everyone knows, but in 2007-2008 the Islamic Republic of Iran was going not only to buy a batch of Tu-214 and Tu-334 aircraft, but was also, in all seriousness, interested in acquiring a license for their production from itself. For some reason, the Iranians liked our "Soviet galoshes", and they wanted to establish their SKD assembly with subsequent gradual localization.

Within the framework of this contract, the most advanced version of the Tu-204SM airliner with a modernized PS-90A2 engine was developed in Ulyanovsk. The cost of a license for its production was then estimated at 3 billion dollars, so far no information has been found regarding the Tu-334. Decent money for "Soviet junk", which in fact turned out to be not so worthless junk.

Tu-204SM even today is quite competitive with Boeing and Airbus products, and with the Russian remake MS-21. This is largely due to its PS-90A2 engine, which has become more powerful (afterburner thrust up to 18 kgf versus 000 for the PD-14), lighter, more economical and more reliable than its predecessor PS-000A. The deal with the Iranians fell through due to US pressure, since American technology was used in the development of the PS-14A90. However, the Permians solved this problem by purchasing the rights to intellectual property and replacing the components with domestic ones. This is how the excellent PD-90A2 aircraft engine appeared, 90% Russian, having all the certificates, but for some reason it never went into production.

The question arises: why not return to that deal with Tehran in the new geopolitical realities? Nobody in Moscow cares about Uncle Sam's opinion on this matter. What can this give our country?

At first, 3 billion dollars, and now, perhaps even more, will not be superfluous, plus a contract for the Tu-334.

Secondly, we have some personalities here who are afraid that we can get carried away with the "junk" and forget about the remakes in the face of the MS-21 and the Superjet. No need to be afraid. The MS-21 is not going anywhere, the future is with it, but it may well get along with the Soviet liners in the following way. Thus, 2030 medium-haul Tu-70s will be assembled in Kazan by 214. But Aviastar-SP could well sell a license for the Tu-204SM to Iran and set up the production of components for it. Let's say the degree of localization should be 50%, and the remaining 50%, including the power plant, will be produced in Russia. Under this project, it will finally be possible to put into production the excellent PS-90A3 engine, which will go both to the Tu-204SM / Tu-214 and the Il-96-400 (in the four-engine version before the advent of the PD-35).

Thirdly, Russia will thus deepen economic cooperation with the Islamic Republic, and Moscow will gain leverage on Tehran, strengthening its influence in the Middle East.

Similarly, you can do with the short-haul Tu-334. At one time, we refused this promising aircraft, and under pressure from the "syslibs" the bet was made on the "Superjet-100". Now we see what the dependence on imported components has led to. The problem with Ukrainian engines can soon be solved by the promising PD-8. By selling a license for the Tu-334 to Iran, Russia will be able not only to make money on the deal, but also to revive the production of components by selling them to the Islamic Republic.

Who knows, maybe in the future this “galosh” will be useful to us too.

JV with China?


There is also an opportunity to seriously depend on oneself and the Middle Kingdom. This can be done as part of the joint project of the CR929 wide-body long-haul airliner. How we detail told earlier, the Americans and the British would most likely refuse to supply their engines for the production of this aircraft. The Chinese do not have their own heavy-duty power plant and it is not clear when it will appear.

Russia has developments on the powerful PD-35 aircraft engine, which will be able to put it into production before the end of the decade. Judging by the information available in the press, Beijing is very interested in localizing the production of PD-35 in China. Naturally, you can not do this in any case! Russia should participate in the project by supplying composite wings and power plants to China.

So what do we see. There are at least two promising aircraft construction projects in which our country is indispensable. Having launched them, it will be possible to earn for many years by loading domestic enterprises with orders for components. After the launch of the MS-21 series, the Tu-214 will go to the needs of the military, which we will also discuss in detail. told earlier.

As for aircraft engines, it is obvious that the existing capacities in Perm will not be enough for this. We will need hundreds of PD-8s for the Superjet, Tu-334, Be-200, hundreds of PD-14s for the MS-21, hundreds of PD-90A3s for the Tu-204SM and Tu-214, over two thousand PD-35s for the CR929 and our twin-engine Il-96-400 (after its remotorization). This means that new construction enterprises will have to be created, where aircraft engines will be mass-produced. It probably makes sense to do this in the format of a joint venture with Iran and China. Naturally, in Russia!
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  1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 12 2022 12: 26
    -10
    Today, like, April 12 - "Cosmonautics Day". "April Day" was the 1st.
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) April 21 2022 13: 10
      -1
      We are all ruined by the lack of audacity in the perspective vision of problems.

      Stirlitz
  2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 12: 46
    +1
    Quote: EVYN WIXH
    Today, like, April 12 - "Cosmonautics Day". "April Day" was the 1st.

    What about the essence of the question?
    1. mark1 Offline mark1
      mark1 April 12 2022 13: 34
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      But in fact: Tu-334 is a night fantasy, production lines (if any) in Kyiv, the D-436 engine ... Ah! Our brand.
      Tu-204/14 for Iran - and Iran itself was asked, do you think it needs THIS (in its current form)? The Iranians are not Papuans from the 19th century, if they want joint production, then the modern promising used liner SSZH-100 or MS-21, and the chances for the Tu-204/14 may appear for years. 10 after finishing it on avionics, engines, weight characteristics. In the meantime, this is an internal product (very important for us)
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 15: 26
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        But in fact: Tu-334 is a night fantasy, production lines (if any) in Kyiv, the D-436 engine ... Ah! Our brand.

        Remotorization on PD-8. As for the production lines, I did not quite understand, since Iran was going to establish production itself.

        Tu-204/14 for Iran - and Iran itself was asked, do you think it needs THIS (in its current form)? .The Iranians are not Papuans from the 19th century, if they want joint production, then the modern promising used liner SSZH-100 or MS-21

        Does anyone offer them an alternative?
        What has changed since 2008, when these Papuans wanted the Tu-204SM and Tu-334, and now they don't want to?
    2. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 12 2022 13: 58
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      In fact? The United States makes as many aircraft per week as the Russian Federation does in a year. In its best years, the USSR built 160 aircraft a year, Boeing builds 600 a year, the Russian Federation dreams of 20 (the military does not count). What world center are we talking about?
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 15: 33
        -2
        The article is written.
  3. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A (Yuri) April 12 2022 13: 43
    +2
    Airplanes need to be built to provide at least domestic transportation, but in the conditions of inevitable prolonged isolation, one should not even dream of leadership. Unless in eleven years we will have the appropriate breakthrough technologies
  4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 12 2022 13: 47
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    This means that new construction enterprises will have to be created, where aircraft engines will be mass-produced.

    And what is stopping you?
    How's the new corncob? 30 years promise to build.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 15: 44
      -3
      I think the problem is in the responsible persons and the lack of an industry development strategy. Over the past month and a half, the situation has changed dramatically.
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) April 13 2022 10: 22
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        Over the past month and a half, the situation has changed dramatically.

        - and what? Responsible persons are the same ...
  5. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) April 12 2022 13: 55
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    New Vasyuki
  6. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) April 12 2022 14: 11
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    it remains to wait a bit ... 80 years. Under this government, they will build 2 aircraft a year.
  7. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 12 2022 14: 41
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    Tu-204SM even today is quite competitive with Boeing and Airbus products, and with the Russian remake MS-21. This is largely due to its PS-90A2 engine.

    If this is not a typo, then let me remind you that it was precisely because of this engine that everything died out because it has American components.

    And I would like to know more about competitiveness yes If they are all so modern and competitive, then how does this compare with the following statement?

    After the launch of the MS-21 series, the Tu-214 will go to the needs of the military

    Are you going to get rid of modern competitive aircraft by pushing them to the military? lol

    The question arises: why not return to that deal with Tehran in the new geopolitical realities?

    Maybe for a start it makes sense to ask the opinion of the Iranians themselves on this issue? And then everything is ready for the wedding, it’s just that the bride doesn’t know yet. The fact is that they became interested in galoshes because they remained barefoot, and now they are bred with Europeans, they are probably dreaming of agreeing on something. For example, they sell oil and receive aircraft. For now, it's a projection.
    And in general, galoshes are specific shoes, not suitable for all occasions. Times are changing, Russian citizens deserve to have other shoes to choose from.

    And as for the screwdriver assembly, you got excited, even the Superjet is not an assembly under the license of a Boeing or Airbus, it is a domestic development, we simply did not produce the corresponding components, which is why they took imported ones.
    Why throw at the fan at all, people are working, doing something new, developing domestic aviation. They did not stop at the Yak-242, but went further, created a new modern aircraft, and only dirt flies in them.

    As for aircraft engines, it is obvious that the existing capacities in Perm will not be enough for this. We will need hundreds of PD-8s for the Superjet, Tu-334, Be-200, hundreds of PD-14s for the MS-21, hundreds of PD-90A3s for the Tu-204SM and Tu-214, over two thousand PD-35s for the CR929 and our twin-engine Il-96-400 (after its remotorization). This means that new construction enterprises will have to be created, where aircraft engines will be mass-produced. It probably makes sense to do this in the format of a joint venture with Iran and China. Naturally, in Russia!

    Bravo! The understanding that more aircraft cannot be built than there are engines is wonderful. good
    I'm just embarrassed to ask, what kind of participation of the Chinese and Iranians is expected in the joint production of Russian engines, from Russian components, on Russian territory?
    Will they become shareholders and receive a share of the profits? Do we have a problem with this and do not have enough money?
    Or will they help the workers? Looks like it's also an option. Just wondering what else they can offer? Are Iranian and Chinese managers in the company's leadership? belay
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 15: 28
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      If this is not a typo, then let me remind you that it was precisely because of this engine that everything died out because it has American components

      Are you able to understand what you read at all? It says the following

      The deal with the Iranians fell through due to US pressure, since American technology was used in the development of the PS-90A2. However, the Permians solved this problem by purchasing the rights to intellectual property and replacing the components with domestic ones. This is how the wonderful PD-90A3 aircraft engine appeared, 100% Russian, having all the certificates, but for some reason it never went into production.

      I'm just embarrassed to ask, what kind of participation of the Chinese and Iranians is expected in the joint production of Russian engines, from Russian components, on Russian territory?
      Will they become shareholders and receive a share of the profits? Do we have a problem with this and do not have enough money?

      Yes exactly. We have problems and we don't have enough money.

      Maybe for a start it makes sense to ask the opinion of the Iranians themselves on this issue? And then everything is ready for the wedding, it’s just that the bride doesn’t know yet. The fact is that they became interested in galoshes because they remained barefoot, and now they are bred with Europeans, they are probably dreaming of agreeing on something. For example, they sell oil and receive aircraft. In the meantime, this is projection

      And you ask. I'm wondering, are you able to understand the difference between buying ready-made aircraft from partners, with whom they are now making tricks, and then refuse to serve, as we do, and the production of Russian aircraft in your country under license?
      Not? Do not understand?

      And as for the screwdriver assembly, you got excited, even the Superjet is not an assembly under the license of a Boeing or Airbus, it is a domestic development, we simply did not produce the corresponding components, which is why they took imported ones.

      Come on? Everything with your level of immersion in the topic is understandable. Don't distract me from serious work. smile
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 12 2022 16: 38
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        Are you able to understand what you read at all?

        Naturally capable yes And you? It's not by chance that I asked about the typo. After all, according to the text, it turns out that the competitiveness of the aircraft

        provided largely due to its PS-90A2 engine

        The same one with American components and because of which the actual deal did not take place. Probably the characteristics of the A3 version are more appropriate here.

        Yes exactly. We have problems and we don't have enough money.

        Do you mean the lack of money as a problem? Or some other ones that you hope to solve with the help of Iranian and Chinese partners?
        If the whole point is precisely the lack of money, I don’t even know, it’s worth talking about a foreign trade surplus, constantly growing foreign exchange reserves and an increasing reserve fund. In my opinion, there is money for more than a dozen factories. It turns out that you want foreign investment. Quite an interesting point of view for you. Do you understand that investing means making a profit, and subsequently withdrawing them abroad? It turns out that you are simply in favor of replacing Western investments with Iranian and Chinese ones? Why are they better? I hope this is something more than just a desire to show favor to the Chinese-Iranian friends and wipe the nose of the American-European enemies, giving the opportunity to earn extra money at the state expense to the first and depriving the second of such an opportunity?

        And you ask. I'm wondering, are you able to understand the difference between buying ready-made aircraft from partners, with whom they are now making tricks, and then refuse to serve, like us, and the production of Russian aircraft in their own country under license?
        Not? Do not understand?

        Are you persuading me? belay What seems to you the best offer the Iranians may have a different point of view. After all, what you offer is just a classic screwdriver assembly. Surely they can be attracted in this proposal by the degree of localization. And you offer them only to invest money in our factories. It hardly looks like a guarantee of the impossibility of refusal of service. Will an honest noble word be a guarantee? They may remind you of Medvedev and the S-300.
        I even keep silent about such trifles as the availability of components. Do we have enough of them to ensure our own production and send them to Iran? If this is so, then why don't we provide civil aviation with hundreds of aircraft right now, and not stretch 70 pieces over several years? Is it just modesty that bothers us? Or do you want to offer them the production of aircraft later, in a brighter future?
        In this case, it is curious that you do not plan to offer the Iranians the MS-21 assembly, because the Tu-204, according to you, is no worse.

        Come on? Everything with your level of immersion in the topic is understandable. Don't distract me from serious work.

        Follow the link for a description of the classic screwdriver assembly process.
        https://amastercar.ru/blog/chto-takoe-otvertochnaya-sborka-avtomobilej.html

        As I understand it, you deny the Superjet the right to be called a Russian development and deny that some of the components are produced domestically without any participation of foreign companies?
        In general, I do not dare to distract you from deep immersion and serious work hi
        And then the fan will dry up, then you can’t wash it request
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 15: 37
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      Are you going to get rid of modern competitive aircraft by pushing them to the military? lol

      The military and the Special Air Force use them so well.
      Fortunately, life quickly shows that I am right. hi
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 12 2022 16: 40
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        The military and the Special Air Force use them so well.
        Fortunately, life quickly shows that I am right.

        I'm glad you're doing well with your self esteem. yes I would be grateful for examples of predictions that have come true hi
  8. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) April 12 2022 15: 02
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    in Beijing are very interested in localizing the production of PD-35 in China. Naturally, you can not do this in any case! Russia should participate in the project by supplying composite wings and power plants to China

    I agree.

    This means that new construction enterprises will have to be created, where aircraft engines will be mass-produced. It probably makes sense to do this in the format of a joint venture with Iran and China. Naturally, in Russia

    they will be involved in the entire technological process and what difference does it make whether it is assembled in China or we have the hands of the Chinese.
  9. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 12 2022 15: 28
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    Quote: Valera75
    they will be involved in the entire technological process and what difference does it make whether it is assembled in China or we have the hands of the Chinese.

    Very strange statement.
  10. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) April 12 2022 15: 39
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    it is interesting to compare the empty weight of tu204 (214) and MC21, but even if tu214 is a little heavier, we must not forget that it is 3 times cheaper than MC21! the difference (90-30) of 60 million bucks completely compensates for the higher fuel costs for the Tu214 for the entire period of operation (20 years), plus spare parts are several times cheaper.
    it's like comparing a foreign car and a Grant, the difference in the purchase and operation price is large, but the Grant (having flaws) successfully copes with its task
  11. Valentin Borisov (Valentin) April 12 2022 15: 52
    +2
    The title is good. I will also drink a glass, smoke and dream ................ we can become the center of the automotive industry ........ well ......
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) April 13 2022 10: 26
      +1
      announce the entire list pzhalasta - what other centers can we become? bully
  12. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
    whitebeard April 12 2022 16: 23
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    As for engines, Rogozin recently said one of the few reasonable things on this score that he is going to involve Roscosmos enterprises in the issue of import substitution in the aircraft industry. And this is very good, because the same space engine specialists are closest in terms of competence to the aircraft engine industry and it would be a sin not to use them.
  13. IL-112 needs to be completed!
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) April 13 2022 10: 29
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      to be honest, the problems of a five-ton transporter worry me probably in the 386th turn ...
  14. I remembered hotly how the Democrats brought down the Soviet aviation industry, and I felt sick, terribly from wild laughter, yyyyygygygygygygygyyy! It was easy to break something - they managed it in a quarter, but to build it back - a couple of five-year plans, bitte, trsh Putin!
    So I'll give you free advice: you need to confiscate ALL property, finances and offal of people involved in the collapse of Soviet industry, and start with Chubais and his accomplices. With this money, create the Phoenix Fund to restore the industry!
  15. stitch Offline stitch
    stitch (Steven Seagal) April 16 2022 17: 01
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    First you need to win the war, for this you need combat aircraft and drones. Get on with the real thing.
  16. Alexander Popov Offline Alexander Popov
    Alexander Popov (Alexander Popov) April 17 2022 11: 44
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    Russia may become a new world center for civil aviation

    Maybe... but will it?