Why the Minsk-3 agreement is dangerous for Russia and Ukraine itself

April 6 2022 20

Released the day before on the "Reporter" publication about whether Ukraine, at the end of a special military operation for its demilitarization and denazification, can collect reparations from Russia, caused an ambiguous reaction from our readers. How could it be, some of them were sincerely indignant, because reparations are the burden of a defeated country, and the RF Armed Forces are still stronger than the Armed Forces of Ukraine and can convincingly defeat them in the Donbass if they stop being phony, and there is no official war between Kiev and Moscow. And yes, from a legal point of view, everything is true, but from a practical point of view, everything is somewhat more complicated.

We do not know what exactly is written there in the plan of a special military operation approved by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, but let's proceed from the public statements of the first persons on this matter. And they raise a lot of questions with their internal inconsistency. So, announcing the start of the CVO on the demilitarization and denazification of Nezalezhnaya on February 24, 2022, President Vladimir Putin stated that the occupation of Ukrainian territory was not part of its goal:

The whole course of events and analysis of information shows that the clash of the Russian Federation with the nationalist forces in Ukraine is inevitable, it is a matter of time. I have decided to conduct a special military operation. The plans of the Russian Federation do not include the occupation of Ukraine.

The next day, February 25, Russian Foreign Ministry Special Representative Maria Zakharova stated that one of the goals of the special operation was to bring to justice the ruling puppet regime in Kyiv, which for 8 years mocked ordinary people and carried out policies genocide:

Another task of the operation is to bring the current figures, the puppet regime, to justice for the crimes committed during these years against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation, as well as to carry out the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.

On March 29, the head of the Russian Defense Ministry, Sergei Shoigu, announced the end of the first stage of the NMD, which consisted in disorganizing and damaging the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

The main tasks of the first stage of the special military operation in Ukraine have been completed: the Ukrainian army has suffered significant damage. This allows you to focus on achieving the main goal - the liberation of Donbass.

That is, at the level of the Minister of Defense, it was said that the goal is to liberate the territories of the DPR and LPR from Ukrainian invaders. On March 16, 2022, President Vladimir Putin again personally confirmed that the occupation of Ukraine is not included in the plans of the NMD:

The appearance of Russian troops near Kiev, other cities of Ukraine is not connected with the intention to occupy this country, we do not have such a goal.

At the same time, literally from every iron we are told that no one is going to overthrow the regime of President Zelensky, the “hanger of memorial plaques” Vladimir Medinsky is conducting “constructive negotiations” with the Nazis, and the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov explains that the Russian “elite” who did not support the SVO ”, who fled abroad at the smell of fried food, are the same patriots as those who remained, and they actively support the fight against Ukrainian Nazism.

If you put it all together, it turns out somehow ugly, internally contradictory and completely incomprehensible.

It is not clear, in particular, how exactly the demilitarization of Ukraine should take place, provided that the countries that are members of the NATO bloc have already begun deliveries of heavy weapons to Kiev. Will the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have to destroy the "Ukrainian Express" indefinitely? Without taking control of the border with Poland, this is physically impossible, but the occupation is not included in the plans of the NWO, right?

Excuse me, but who and how will carry out the process of denazification of Ukraine, if President Zelensky is not a Nazi criminal, for whom the military tribunal in Donetsk is crying, but is still a “respected partner” with whom one can negotiate and hope to sign something there ? Who will carry out denazification? Zelensky himself with his "mini-Goebbels" Alexei Arestovich? And what, by the way, is generally understood by denazification in the Kremlin?

On the eve of the ex-president of the Russian Federation and now deputy chairman of the Security Council, Dmitry Medvedev, he gave such an explanation, from which the remnants of hair stirred on his head:

Russian President Vladimir Putin firmly set the goal of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. These complex tasks do not happen all at once. And they will be resolved not only on the battlefields... To change the bloody and full of false myths consciousness of a part of today's Ukrainians is the most important goal. The goal is for the sake of the peace of future generations of Ukrainians themselves and the opportunity to finally build an open Eurasia - from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

Excuse me, but open Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok in the conditions of the Cold War - 2 and the actually lowered new Iron Curtain - how is it? Join Ukraine to Russia, and then Europe by military means? So it seems that the occupation of the Square and the change of the criminal regime of President Zelensky to a pro-Russian one are not included in the goals of the SVO. Let Ukraine join the European Union, then declare war on it and immediately surrender? It sounds like an old joke from the Soviet era, but what the hell are other options? After listening attentively to Dmitry Anatolyevich's explanations on the "denazification plan" of Ukraine, I would like to repeat the words of the Monatika performer, which turned out to be unexpectedly appropriate: what do they feed you there?

Let's be realistic. If the entire SVO eventually comes down to the fact that the territory of the DPR and LPR will be liberated, and some kind of peace agreement will be signed with the Zelensky regime, then the results of this campaign will be as follows:

At first, Russia will be billed for all the destruction in Ukraine, and Kyiv will undoubtedly win this process in Western courts. Yes, de jure it will not be reparations, but de facto they are the same. Recovery will be carried out at the expense of all foreign assets of Russia and Russians. On the "massacre in Bucha" a military tribunal in absentia will be held in The Hague with an easily predictable result.

Secondly, instead of denazification, the final nazification of Ukraine will take place. The Ukrainians, furious with hatred, will consider the retreat of the Russian troops near Kiev their defeat and will be even more inspired. A dangerous propaganda myth about Ukraine's victory over Russia will emerge. The authorities will even more pump up the population, impoverished as a result of the SVO, with hatred for our country, which will be declared the cause of all their troubles. The last adequate citizens of the Square will be forced to emigrate.

Thirdly, emboldened by Moscow's timidity in relation to the supply of weapons from the West, the countries of the NATO bloc will pump Ukraine with more modern heavy weapons. The Ukrainian army will receive huge real combat experience during the NMD. Undoubtedly, against the backdrop of a deteriorating socio-economic situation, there will be an influx of those wishing to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard. Literally in 6-8 years, the obscene peace according to the recipes of Medinsky and Abramovich will end with an attempt at revenge, when the Ukrainian army will launch a powerful offensive against the DPR, LPR, Crimea and, possibly, the Russian border area.

This, of course, is an extreme scenario, but it is necessary to avoid talking about it openly. If the Kremlin finally changes its rhetoric and approach to solving the Ukrainian problem to the only true ones, tested in 1941-1954, then the tribunal over the Ukrainian Nazis mocking Russia and its military will be held in Donetsk. There should be no "Minsk-3" ("Istanbul-1")!

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andrey ivanov_2

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April 6 2022 10: 06

I remember "17 Moments of Spring". Stirlitz's dialogue on the train with a Wehrmacht general....

Any democracy in our country is fraught with only one thing - the dictatorship of petty shopkeepers.

And although the general said this about Germany, but this phrase is about Russia today .....
gorenina91

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April 6 2022 10: 08

Why the Minsk-3 agreement is dangerous for Russia and Ukraine itself

- Well, yes . - The author of the topic is my plus - for such a "public disclosure of the secret of the Open"! - Of course - another development of events and should not be expected!
- But who can reveal another "secret"? What is this "secret"? - And here's what!
- Here, our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were withdrawn from Kyiv, from Chernigov, from Sumy - and what ??? - And where were these "withdrawn troops" of ours "relocated", where were they transferred - where did they come, did they reach - what new positions did they occupy and where?
- And did they reach new positions at all ??? - And where are they now? - Who can explain all this??? - Do not just refer to "military secrets" and "difficulties in deployment" (by the way - the second "argument" - would be more convincing)!
- And one more thing - "in addition" - but how does the Armed Forces of Ukraine manage to deploy their troops so quickly over long distances - across the bare steppe, without any "air cover", and even with an "acute shortage" of fuel and fuel and lubricants ???
- The author is my plus.
Alexey Davydov

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April 6 2022 10: 12

I agree with the author.
However, I think that the US plans do not provide for the practical implementation of Minsk-3. These 6-8 years will not give us.
I repeat - apparently, the plans of the States are as follows:
They create a kind of “furnace” from Ukraine on its territory, in which they support the “fire” by pouring weapons and money into it. Money is taken from our frozen accounts. Weapons - for "disposal in the war", are supplied by the Soviet from the countries of Eastern Europe with its replacement to these countries (also with our money) - with the western one. Cannon fodder - from the Ukrainian farm of Uncle Sam, diluted with garbage from all over the world.
Russia will heat this “furnace” with its people (of which it does not have a lot), modern weapons and money left over from the sanctions. In other words, the depletion of Russia's economic forces and human resources will take place at its own expense. States "will only receive."
The term of this process is until the complete exhaustion of Russia's forces. Then - its destruction by the hands of the rest of the Sonderkommando.
We must finally understand that by directing all our efforts only to the "tool", we do not stop the one who holds it in his hands.
Trying to avoid confrontation with the States is immensely stupid in a situation where we need to stop them. One excludes the other.
We ourselves are dragging out time, giving the United States the opportunity to complete the development of their modern weapons.
We need to FORCE the States themselves to stop and quit their "furnace", withdraw from Ukraine and Western Europe and conclude with us the previously proposed agreements on security guarantees.
This can only be done by threatening to destroy them with our nuclear weapons. We still have to get it. It is better to do this for a threat than for use. Before it's too late
1. Alexey Davydov
  
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  April 6 2022 10: 40
  
  The common border between Ukraine and Poland excludes for us the end of this war, allows the States to support it indefinitely, to regulate its heat and intensity.
  The clash with Poland leads us to an armed conflict with NATO, leaving the Customer again - on the sidelines. This will be the second "furnace" of the States
  1. Alexey Davydov
    
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    April 6 2022 12: 36
    
    I will explain:
    We will not end this war until we force its Customer to RECEIVE. The only way available to us is indicated above.
    The threat of destruction to the States provides for the presentation of a FULL list of requirements to satisfy them, including the lifting of all sanctions. The alternative is "mutual destruction" for which we must be prepared
    1. Raymond
      
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      28 January 2023 23: 17
      
      Alexey, let me, in turn, explain to you...
      
      You can view a publicly available report that analyzes the activities of the Russian president, his course of action, his goals and means related to the logic he adheres to. It has existed since September 2020, you will be convinced of the foresight of the authors by comparing the above with the current situation.
      In the same report, you can read the predictions that were made, as well as what the West (figuratively) is going to do in order not to suffer from the harmful effects of the current policies pursued over the past 20 years.
      There is nothing hidden here, everything is clearly stated.
      
      When you read the famous report, you will be able to make sure that what is advertised does not at all contradict the Russian people and does not contradict Russian culture, on the contrary.
      
      You just need to read this report, understand it ... and only then discuss it.
2. Alexey Davydov
  
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  April 6 2022 11: 01
  
  The conclusion of Minsk-3 will lead to the final rupture of relations between the people and the leadership of the country and its collapse from within by the "fifth column". "Sonderkommando" of the United States in Ukraine will complete the destruction of Russia
single-n

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April 6 2022 10: 21

I subscribe to every word. But the author still paints a very good picture. In the event of a truce, no one will lift the sanctions. The economy for several years of isolation will not be able to maintain an adequate army. Plus, due to impoverishment, more and more supporters of the West will appear. We had a chance to do everything quickly. He was loved. And in general, what kind of goal is such "demilitarization" if we did not bomb the barracks in the first days? And what does it mean: "We will show you real decommunization"? We have been encircling the Donbass grouping for 1,5 months. For 8 years we were laughing over Yatsenyuk's chain-link fence, and now "suddenly" fortified positions that we cannot break through even with absolute air superiority? Those same communists took Keninsberg in a month. And Berlin for 2. The same Kadyrov rattled that Kyiv would take only an order in 3 days. And Mariupol has been storming for how long? Two weeks?
wolf46

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April 6 2022 10: 22

In this case, the shelling of the Belgorod and Kursk regions will be flowers.
Sergey Latyshev

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April 6 2022 10: 55

It is natural that no one will speak out loud about real plans.
All these slogans are for PR.

How many such promises have not worked, they were quickly forgotten, and some are still seriously discussing what they said upstairs ..
akropin

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April 6 2022 11: 45

As for me, many issues would be removed from the agenda if we closed the western border through Belarus. Thus, the whole of Ukraine would be closed to everyone. Zelensky has nowhere to wait for help in this case, and there is an excellent reason to end the negotiations in the form in which it is beneficial to us. For example - the complete disarmament of all military units; full dossier on all participants nat. battalions, holding them accountable for their deeds; inspection of police departments and the SBU throughout Ukraine, followed by our external management of these structures.
1. Alexey Davydov
  
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  April 6 2022 12: 51
  
  They will send Polish troops across the border before we do anything. There will be a second option - a war with Poland and NATO. I am sure that it is also convenient for the States and is taken into account in their calculations.
  1. akropin
    
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    April 6 2022 13: 12
    
    And so a dead end. The task is about water in a pool, into which both hot and cold water flows from two pipes, and at the same time, a drunk plumber forgot to completely shut off the drain; and the question is when the pool will be filled with water of the required temperature, provided that the pool is open and the air temperature changes during the day from -20 to +35.
    1. Alexey Davydov
      
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      April 6 2022 13: 17
      
      There is no dead end - we must finally understand that we are at the edge of the abyss, and the threat of destruction to the States in this position is not a step of desperation, but the only way out
Inanrom

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April 6 2022 13: 00

Peskov called the withdrawal of Russian forces from the Kiev region a gesture of goodwill
Russia withdrew troops from the Kiev region to improve the situation for negotiations, said the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov in an interview with the French TV channel LCI.RIA Novosti

“In order to create favorable conditions for negotiations, we wanted to make a goodwill gesture. We can make serious decisions during negotiations, so President Putin ordered our troops to leave the region (Kiev region. — Approx. ed.),” the Kremlin spokesman explained .

Peskov announced Russia's intention to complete the special operation through negotiations
Russia is interested in the President of Ukraine agreeing to the conditions put forward at the talks, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.
TVNZ

How "beautiful" it all is... And this is just a new portion of another absurdity. Just do not need to tell that the mustache speaks by itself. and about "the king is good, the boyars are bad" too. Who gives orders - any questions? Good "gestures of good will" and again - "comfortable conditions for negotiations" paid for by the lives of our soldiers ... So all the fierce battles, casualties and suffering of civilians are just the creation of the former comfort zone for the rotten "litka"? "Denazification" through negotiations with the Nazis is generally the height of a mockery of common sense! Someone continues to cut the branch on which he sits. Yes, and the whole country as a result of such "efforts" will collapse like a tree whose roots have been eaten away by pests.
1. Marzhecki
  
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  April 6 2022 13: 03
  
  The peacekeepers will play out. They don't seem to understand what kind of things they are joking with.
Vladimir Orlov

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April 7 2022 03: 28

Author Respect.
We hope that our government will also understand that the people will demolish them in the event of a repeat of the betrayal of 2014 ..
I would like to believe that this is just a tactic - small steps instead of one attack due to a lack of trained and combat-ready personnel. Everyone understands everything. Khasavyurt 2 cannot be, it would be a pure betrayal.
Marzhecki

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April 7 2022 05: 08

Quote: Vladimir Orlov
I would like to believe that this is just a tactic - small steps instead of one attack due to a lack of trained and combat-ready personnel. Everyone understands everything. Khasavyurt 2 cannot be, it would be a pure betrayal.

I'm afraid that's exactly what it's all about. Will be limited only to Donbass. The rest of Ukraine will become an anti-Russian monster.
demeter

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April 10 2022 12: 25

and open Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok in the conditions of the Cold War - 2 and the actually lowered new Iron Curtain - how is that?

It's very simple. Our politicians, as well as our entire beau monde, will freely travel around the Maldives, the Mediterranean and all of Eurasia, paying for this with the West with Russian natural resources. War is war, but Courchevel is on schedule.
DO

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28 January 2023 23: 00

Yes, the statements of some Russian politicians about the NWO are contradictory and incomprehensible. However, that's what they are politicians to talk about. Their work is like this.
Therefore, we turn on the banal logic, look at the conditions and what is really being done in the NWO in Ukraine.
Demographic resources (correlating with the mobilization resource): Russia in Ukraine is actually opposed by the entire West, and the population of only NATO countries is approximately 6 times larger than the population of Russia; and this is not counting the mobile resource of Ukraine itself and the ability of the United States to hire soldiers of fortune around the world, for the world currency the dollar, which the United States prints unlimitedly as they need.
Some authors on Internet resources cheerfully predict that the West will soon run out of shells, and the Russians will click their tanks like nuts. In fact, powerful Western industry will produce as many shells and tanks as needed.
What, under such conditions, dictates simple logic to achieve victory over the ukroreich?
First of all, block enemy logistics as much as possible with all available means, except for tactical nuclear weapons, starting from the Polish border. Is it being done? No, because the bombing of electric power substations is absolutely not enough - diesel locomotives and trucks do not need electricity to move.
Secondly, not to give away a single meter of liberated land. Is it being done? No, how many "gestures of good will" there were. One step forward, two steps back...
What is the result? With the actual non-resistance to the logistics of Western weapons and ammunition, and the front line moving back and forth, the NWO can last for as many years as you like. Who will be defeated in NWO? Naturally, the side that runs out of soldiers first. And since the West has an order of magnitude more mobile resources than Russia, draw your own conclusion.
Summary. The Russian Armed Forces should, if possible, stop the movement of vehicles along the railways and roads of Western Ukraine in the direction from the Polish and other western borders to the front. As - yes, as you like, except for the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Bomb railway depots, car parks, gas stations, tunnels, interchanges, bridges (with the exception of bridges across the Dnieper, on which a Russian offensive should be planned - why do the work for the enemy?), destroy all trains and all trucks moving in the direction from the west to the line front.
Inhumane? Is it better for Russia to put all its soldiers in Ukraine and be left without an army, with predictable consequences?
And not a step back. Only advance, perhaps slowly but surely, to the very Polish border. Attaching the liberated territories to Russia (as it is absolutely right and being done), or to the allied Belarus, if the Belarusians wish.