Negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv: will Russia betray itself?


Despite the wave of furious indignation that has risen in Russian society, caused by the completely vague position of the country's representatives at the next round of negotiations with representatives of the Kiev regime, held in Istanbul, periodic announcements of more than ambiguous signals continue regarding possible agreements with those with whom, by and large, there is nothing to talk about basically. This time, this kind of statement “pleased” none other than Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. With all due respect to this outstanding diplomat, his words sound at least strange - especially in the context of recent events in Ukraine and the actions of its leadership.


To tell the truth, the further we go, the more questions arise: what else should the Ukronazi regime and its blood-stained henchmen do, in order to still fall into the category of incapable of negotiating and shaking hands for Moscow? What other efforts to destroy Russian statehood should be made by the Western puppeteers and masters standing behind Kiev so that the country's leadership finally sees the light and understands that here it is necessary not to talk, but to act with maximum pressure and rigidity? Moreover, as long as the denazification and demilitarization of the ukroreich will not move from the category of loud, beautiful-hearted statements into the plane of practical actions and will not take on an irreversible character. There are no clear answers yet.

What light? There is total darkness!


On the official Facebook page (recognized as extremist and banned in the Russian Federation) of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a number of comments appeared, the authorship of which belongs to its head, Sergei Lavrov. According to him, at the talks with Ukraine, "even if still dim, but the light dawned." What is the basis for such an optimistic statement by the country's chief diplomat, albeit made rather cautiously? It turns out that “at the talks held on March 29 in Istanbul, for the first time in the entire period of contacts between the delegations, the Ukrainian side proposed a written vision of how the treaty could look in terms of the future status of Ukraine and guarantees of its security.” At the same time, representatives of the non-independence, again for the first time, “put down on paper their readiness to declare their state neutral, non-aligned and non-nuclear”, and also “declared their readiness to refuse to deploy weapons of foreign states on their territory and to conduct exercises on it with the participation of foreign military , except with the consent of all countries - guarantors of the future treaty, including Russia.

According to Mr. Lavrov, there is “significant progress”, and he warmly approves and supports the “concept of a new security architecture around Ukraine”. With all this, the head of the Foreign Ministry does not in the least deny the fact that "Kyiv categorically refuses to even discuss denazification, the restoration of the rights of the Russian language and demilitarization at the talks." The most remarkable thing is that the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry commented on this moment with the words that "such a position will not contribute to the further course of the negotiation process." And just something?! Or maybe, after all, it makes this very process absolutely hopeless, useless and even harmful from the point of view of Russian interests? Nullifies its value and meaning as such?! Would such definitions be more appropriate in this case?

However, this is not the most impressive passage in the speech of the highly respected Sergei Viktorovich. He goes on to talk about the “alertness” that Kiev’s demand for the immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from the territories they liberated immediately after the signing of the peace treaty, but even before its approval in a referendum and before ratification by parliament, arouses in him Kyiv’s demand for the immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from the territories they liberated. And again I want to exclaim: “Alertness? Only?!" Lavrov himself admits: “The probability that ratification and a referendum in Ukraine will give negative results is very high. Then the negotiation process will have to start anew. We don’t want to play such cat and mouse!” What the hell is the “negotiation process”, which would not have been better at all! From scratch, or rather, from a very, very deep “negative mark” (as at least the events in the Kiev region testify), the entire special operation will have to start! Here, excuse me, there is no “cat and mouse”, but a completely different game - fool. And this far from honorable role by Kiev and its Western patrons is a priori intended for Moscow. Is it incomprehensible?

What kind of “peeping light” and “progress” (all the more significant!) can we talk about in this case? Oh, yes - after all, the Ukrainian side allegedly agreed to a "non-nuclear, non-aligned and neutral status." Oh is it? In truth, only one thing is not clear - either the Russian Foreign Ministry does not take the trouble to familiarize itself with the statements that official Kyiv makes literally on this very occasion, or they simply do not report them to their own leader. For no other reasonable reasons to justify such complete ignorance of the absolute inconsistency of the stubborn position of the Zelensky regime with what Sergei Lavrov is talking about.

In NATO? Ready to enter! If not, we'll create our own.


On the air of the telethon held on April 5 on Ukrainian channels, the still-president of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky, more than exhaustively outlined his own vision of literally all the issues that are being discussed, pardon my frankness, a poor parody of the negotiations. Here you have, as they say, for the seed one quote - about the "status" and "non-bloc". It was literally said like this:

If tomorrow we are offered to join NATO, we will join. But this will not happen, unfortunately. And it didn't happen, unfortunately. Therefore, we will build security guarantees for us...

What specific guarantees? Well, here we digress and give the floor to other speakers. For example, adviser to the head of the presidential office Mikhail Podolyak. This figure claims that massive deliveries of heavy artillery and the most modern air defense systems to Kiev should become guarantees. And also "the joint performance of the armies, full-fledged military consultations on the conduct of hostilities and a denser exchange of intelligence, in particular aerospace." Is there anything else unclear? Welcome, let's clarify - in the words of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada and the representative of Ukraine in the negotiating group with Russia, David Arakhamia:

We will not sign a single document where Russia will have the right to veto any decisions with its vote. We want to create our own NATO! To do this, it is important for us that the largest and most effective countries of the Alliance provide us with support in case of war. Turkey, the US and the UK are the most important for us right now.

And ... yes, this same Arakhamia once again emphasized:

Everything will be decided by the Ukrainian people, not Ukrainian policy. If the people do not choose this path, it will mean that the treaty will not have final legal force ...

It seems to me alone that any "peace" agreement with Kiev will not be worth the paper on which it will be written?

If someone still has even a shadow of doubt, I hasten to dispel. We return to Zelensky's speech during the telethon. I've saved the best for last, of course. So:

Crimea is Ukrainian territory, there can only be a delay in the issue of the return of the peninsula. Donbass is our territory, ORDLO (that vile name again!) is very important for Ukraine. Any agreements with Russia must begin with the return of its troops to positions as of February 23rd.

Clearer than clear, isn't it? Kyiv wants to end the confrontation, which turns out to be a clear and inevitable loss for him, solely in order to rearm and prepare for a real war. The one he will start. And to lead, believe me, will be "to the bitter end." Well, as a justification for the future extreme militarization of Ukraine, here's another passage from the president-clown:

We understand that even if we sign the most powerful agreement with you, we understand that in two years Russia may return. We simply understand this, and if we accept this, then we act accordingly.

Moreover, according to this jester, the representatives of Kyiv at the same talks in Istanbul openly told the members of the Russian delegation that "Ukraine does not believe in Russian guarantees and will continue to build a state that will be able to defend itself." Specify? Please:

We told them that forget about "demilitarization" and "denazification", we won't even talk about it. "Denazification" we ourselves can demand from you, but "demilitarization" - we do not accept this story!

I am wildly sorry, Mr. Lavrov, but this is “progress” and “light”?! What, then, would you like to call impenetrable darkness, pitch darkness, and the most outright mockery?! We all know you as a person with a great sense of humor and we sincerely hope that this was a joke. Otherwise, one can only assume that Russia intends to continue to participate in a disgusting farce, the very fact of being present in which is already a shame and an insult to the country. This is a betrayal of ourselves, a mockery of the memory of all the victims of the Ukronazi regime. Including the glorious Russian soldiers who fell during the special operation.

The most terrible thing is that Kyiv, with which they continue to talk even after outright spitting in the face on his part, is becoming more and more tasteful. They are absolutely sure of their own victory. One of the craziest “drainers” of the mad regime, Aleksey Arestovich, don’t forget to remember by nightfall, once again (for the fifth or sixth, in my opinion!) speaks with inspiration about the “two or three weeks” remaining until the “complete victory”:

The active phase will end by mid-April, and then - the "partisan", which will eat up the remnants of their troops. We have two options - either we finish them completely at the cost of sacrifices, or a peace treaty...

The option with a complete military defeat and surrender does not even knock on his head. Meanwhile, Zelensky, who was allowed to speak (albeit virtual) at the UN Security Council, demanded either to “remove Russia from there” or disperse this “useless” body to hell. No more, but no less.

How long will this world-wide circus continue, is it indecency? Or will Russia find the strength to put an end to it first in negotiations with the Kiev Nazi regime, which has lost even the slightest adequacy, and then in this regime itself?
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  1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 7 2022 10: 36
    +6
    How long will this world-wide circus continue, is it indecency? Or will Russia find the strength to put an end to it first in negotiations with the Kiev Nazi regime, which has lost even the slightest adequacy, and then in this regime itself?

    Colleague, I'm afraid everything will go according to a negative scenario. These people are untrained.
    1. Neurocrop Offline Neurocrop
      Neurocrop (Alexander) April 7 2022 18: 12
      +6
      Yes, it’s just that I don’t have the strength to see and hear all this. From here - especially.
      At the same time, we still continue to believe that there will be no worse variant (shameful surrender).
      Otherwise - a really terrible war in the very near future.
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      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex April 7 2022 22: 20
        +1
        Here's another in the piggy bank of perversions:

        Peskov said that the operation in Ukraine could be completed in the coming days

        Hello from Interfax
        1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) April 11 2022 15: 10
          +1
          And what will happen after that in Kherson?
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex April 14 2022 13: 37
            0
            So far, they say, everything is going more or less ... Even the Swedish flags have ceased to hang out.
      3. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
        Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) April 8 2022 00: 33
        +1
        This is the "fog of war" as someone put it - work for the Western and dill public (there is brainwashing, let them believe that victory is close). The Russian people understand everything and would not forgive betrayal - for the authorities it is a matter of survival. But I don’t believe in the complete capture of the entire territory - what to feed them with.. The section looks likely, the “proto-humans” of the West are a ransom (we can only bring this pathology out if surgically rooted for decades ...) “Yalta” in the end, in other words, or “Pact .." - who likes what.
        So, we are waiting for news from the fields: an ultimatum and action.
        For the time being, by the way, you can pick up a currency for a lull, whoever has rubles and passion ...
      4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) April 8 2022 06: 45
        +1
        I understand you very much. I feel sick and ashamed of my country.
        1. consultant Offline consultant
          consultant (Vladimir) April 8 2022 09: 46
          -1
          So go ahead, to the draft board and into battle! And then all the eagles risk other people's lives and teach from the couch how to do it right.
    2. kr33sania_2 Offline kr33sania_2
      kr33sania_2 (Alex Kraus) April 7 2022 22: 36
      0
      Yes, they are muddy in life ...
  2. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 7 2022 11: 53
    +6
    If there is no convincing military victory, then they will continue to behave this way. They consider the departure of the RF Armed Forces from the 4 previously occupied regions as their victory. They are euphoric. All of Europe and the United States supply them with weapons and impose sanctions against Russia. The grouping capabilities of the RF Armed Forces are limited. Will Russia mobilize? Is it possible to do without it? How will this affect the situation inside the country? How many are ready to fight? Yes, and the whole West is just waiting for Russia to run out of steam and it will be possible to put the squeeze on it. A lot of things are not clear. One thing is clear - Ukraine will be a hotbed of instability for many years, even in a positive scenario.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 7 2022 12: 05
      +6
      Quote: EVYN WIXH
      If there is no convincing military victory, then they will continue to behave this way. They consider the departure of the RF Armed Forces from the 4 previously occupied regions as their victory. They are euphoric. All of Europe and the United States supply them with weapons and impose sanctions against Russia. The grouping capabilities of the RF Armed Forces are limited. Will Russia mobilize? Is it possible to do without it? How will this affect the situation inside the country? How many are ready to fight? Yes, and the whole West is just waiting for Russia to run out of steam and it will be possible to put the squeeze on it. A lot of things are not clear. One thing is clear - Ukraine will be a hotbed of instability for many years, even in a positive scenario.

      The only positive alignment is to start fighting for real with the taking of all of Ukraine under its control. But apparently they will not do this, limiting themselves to the Donbass.
      The result can be simply horrific. Being stronger than Ukraine, with such an approach, Russia will lose to it. Then they will wipe their feet about us in NATO.
      1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
        EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 7 2022 12: 25
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        The issue is that the grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine is not enough. They have a general mobilization + help from the West (quite significantly). But is Russia ready for another war that goes beyond the NVO, with mobilization, martial law and all the ensuing consequences?
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 7 2022 12: 33
    +4
    Quote: EVYN WIXH
    But is Russia ready for another war that goes beyond the NVO, with mobilization, martial law and all the ensuing consequences?

    Russia is ready, its leadership is not. And the final price of this unpreparedness will be terrible.
    1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 7 2022 14: 00
      -1
      I doubt that most of the population will welcome martial law and mobilization. Getting up from the couch, taking a rifle and going into the trenches is not like throwing hats on everyone on the Internet. Then the squealing will begin again: "They brought the country." This is already an extreme step if someone else gets into the conflict. And so, it seems to me that there will be some kind of "interim agreement", with statements from both sides that they have achieved almost all of their goals. Or almost reached...
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) April 7 2022 14: 05
        +1
        I doubt that most of the population will welcome martial law and mobilization. Getting up from the couch, taking a rifle and going into the trenches is not like throwing hats on everyone on the Internet. Then the squealing will begin again: "They brought the country."

        Who will be asked anyway?

        And so, it seems to me that there will be some kind of "interim agreement", with statements from both sides that they have achieved almost all of their goals. Or almost reached...

        Yeah. A respite before a new Great War, where hundreds of thousands or millions will die.
        1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
          EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) April 7 2022 15: 30
          -2
          Unfortunately yes. Russia is not the USSR, both economically and ideologically. As you can see, there is no comprehensive patriotic volunteer movement. But, alas, you have to ask. We created such a system ourselves. This is in 1941 "The whole camp is like one person ..." These days are not the same. Or maybe really "A bad peace is better than a good quarrel"? And wars, they were and always will be. Reason will come up.
      2. Oleg_5 Online Oleg_5
        Oleg_5 (Oleg) April 7 2022 20: 06
        0
        Peskov said that the operation in Ukraine could end through diplomacy, it depends on the Ukrainian position and agreement with Russian conditions.

        RIA News
  4. Yatva Offline Yatva
    Yatva (I) April 7 2022 12: 37
    +5
    When guns are talking, diplomats better shut up!!!...
  5. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
    Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) April 7 2022 13: 13
    0
    Well, alas and ah, Russia simply does not have enough troops! Conscripts and conscripts cannot be sent, as the people will raise a storm, and there are not so many volunteers as we would like! Russia will not push through the territory of Ukraine numerically! So it was in Donetsk with a turnout for the referendum of 97% and real fighters of the first militia of 2000 people from the 7-millionth region and the 2,5-millionth city!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 7 2022 14: 07
      +2
      Well, alas and ah, Russia simply does not have enough troops! Conscripts and conscripts cannot be sent, as the people will raise a storm, and there are not so many volunteers as we would like!

      It is necessary to stop the NWO regime and move on to a normal war. There is no need to send conscripts to the front line, let the rear guard and hold.
  6. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) April 7 2022 13: 18
    +1
    Ukraine is the second largest state formation in Europe after the Russian Federation and, as the fighting showed, with a combat-ready army.
    After the collapse of the USSR, all post-Soviet state formations did everything possible to isolate themselves from the Russian Federation - they rewrote history, created their own national heroes, switched to their state language, displacing or prohibiting the use of the Russian language of interethnic communication.
    Under such conditions, two generations of nationalists have grown up in each state formation in 30 years. Therefore, it is not surprising that the liberators from Nazism are not greeted with flowers even in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine and the army has to make its way forward several kilometers a day, and from Donetsk to the Nazi hornet's nest - Lviv, a thousand kilometers.
    As the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance reported, a month of war costs Ukraine $10 billion. Probably, the war costs the budget of the Russian Federation in a comparable amount. At the same time, the West sponsors Ukraine, and imposed sanctions on the Russian Federation.
    The initially declared maximum program - non-expansion, non-deployment and return to 1997 was minimized and reduced to the liberation of the DPR-LPR, recognition of Crimea, denazification and neutral status. At the same time, as Mr. Medinsky said in an interview, the Russian Federation is not against Ukraine's accession to the EU, and the EU and NATO are two sides of the same coin.
    As a gesture of will, the troops were withdrawn from Kyiv and Kharkov - they received shelling on the adjacent territory of the Russian Federation.
    It is not surprising that against such a general background, Ukraine is trying, if not to dictate its terms, then to stand its ground.
  7. ustal51 Offline ustal51
    ustal51 (Alexander) April 7 2022 13: 33
    +3
    It's time for the President of Russia to make a choice - with whom he is.
  8. Vladimir Petroff (Vladimir Petroff) April 7 2022 19: 51
    -1
    It's time for Grandpa Lavrov to rest. I don’t know what in Lavrov so delights the author ... always only the minister expressing concern. But I'm afraid that he will be taken out of politics only feet first. As well as the favorite of the king - Peskov. It was most likely that Shariy was hinting at them recently when speaking about the fifth column in the highest echelons of power in Russia.
  9. shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) April 7 2022 20: 47
    +6
    Lord Marzhetsky and Neukropny! Honor and praise to you! With both hands for your hard work. Hit further in the head from the foot - someone's brains may fall into place.
    And if not, if Peskov's rotten fish eyes hint that the fish is rotting from the head ... I don't envy myself. I wanted a better life for my children. When I tell them something now, they cry and say - dad, don't tell us horror stories at night. But this is us - in the Moscow region! We do not have the horrors of war and famine. And the children are already crying.
    I hope, I believe that we will survive.
    The Russian spirit, he will live in those who survive and go to conquer the universe. It is only necessary to crush world fascism. For the benefit of everyone and in spite of those who insert a third heart for themselves for money, which green papers are worth nothing - but they are all in the blood of Arabs, Africans, Indians, Serbs, Russians ...
  10. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) April 7 2022 21: 06
    0
    The betrayal has happened...
  11. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
    Neville Stator (Neville Stator) April 7 2022 21: 13
    +3
    What does it have to do with who is waging war, Gorbachev or Gennady Ivanovich Yanaev? Russia cannot remain a paper tiger before the world. It may end up like the Soviet Union. Resolutely use all your might and destroy Ukraine. If anyone is too lazy, give him Stalin's medicine.
  12. Grigory Zinoviev (Grigory Zinoviev) April 7 2022 21: 40
    +4
    If the operation in Ukraine is not brought to an end, the people will not forgive this government, moreover, it will jeopardize the very existence of Russia as a state in its current form!
    These withdrawals of troops and negotiations are very worrying, we already went through this in the North Caucasus in the 90s and 00s!
    If you already got involved, you need to bring what you started to the end!
    Yes, this is a war and losses are inevitable in a war, but the losses will be even greater, the withdrawal of troops is a loss in the war, and no one regrets the losers!
  13. akm8226 Offline akm8226
    akm8226 April 7 2022 21: 51
    +1
    I'll keep quiet for now. I do not know the whole background of these events, and I urge everyone not to run ahead of the locomotive. Many factors in this situation are hidden from our eyes and ears. Look at real deeds, not at rotten bazaars. And the reality is this - Mariupol will be completely cleared out and Azovstal, too, in a maximum of a week. This is where you have to start.
  14. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) April 7 2022 22: 28
    +2
    and again the mustache, and the farther, the more wonderful ...

    The head of the presidential press service announced significant losses among the Russian military during the special operation in Ukraine. “Yes, we have significant losses among the military,” the Kremlin spokesman emphasized. “This is a huge tragedy.” He spoke about this in an interview with the British TV channel Sky News, excerpts from which are published by RIA Novosti.

    further more:

    Earlier in the same interview, Peskov expressed hope that Russia's special operation in Ukraine would not last long and would end soon.
    “We hope that the special operation in Ukraine will achieve its goals in the coming days or in the foreseeable future. Or it will end through negotiations,” he said.
    As Peskov explained, it depends on the Ukrainian position and Kyiv's agreement with Russian conditions.

    also depends on the Ukrainian position (i.e., the regime of Bandera and Nazi criminals)?!
    How is it - it turns out there is "either or" and before that I remember - only the complete fulfillment of the tasks of denazification, demilitarization, etc.?

    Muddy and disgusting ... someone has "negotiations", "either or" ... and the Russian army is fighting the Nazis and suffering "significant losses" ...
  15. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) April 8 2022 17: 59
    0
    "Georgian option" for Ukraine looks the most feasible
  16. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) April 8 2022 21: 18
    +2
    As said by not our most stupid enemy:

    If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame.

    In the context of this article and the situation as a whole, negotiations are tantamount to shame!