The Federation Council found a strange explanation for the strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the oil depot in Belgorod


On Friday, April 1, two helicopters of the Ukrainian armed forces launched a missile attack on an oil depot in Belgorod, which led to the ignition of eight tanks with fuel and lubricants. He shared his ambiguous opinion on why such a daring action of the Armed Forces of Ukraine became possible, shared on the air "Moscow says" First Deputy Head of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the Federation Council Vladimir Dzhabarov.


The senator believes that the Russian air defense forces were unable to withstand the Ukrainian Mi-24s due to the fact that they were flying at too low an altitude.

They flew with great danger, there was about seven meters. With such a low height, you can hook on any obstacle. Air defense systems, radars operate at higher levels, they mainly protect against missiles and aircraft

Jabarov noted.

At the same time, the member of the Federation Council is sure that the Russian Armed Forces should strike back at the bases of Ukrainian helicopters that attacked objects on Russian territory. In this way attempts of similar actions in the future will be prevented.

It should be noted that in the arsenal of the Russian army there are anti-aircraft missile systems capable of hitting air targets at altitudes of five meters above the ground. These include, in particular, the Pantsir-S air defense missile system (for its guns, in principle, there is no concept of a minimum target flight altitude), as well as the Tor air defense system. If the radar station is located on a hill, which, however, is the norm, it is not difficult to detect a low-flying object. Therefore, the words of the senator seem very strange and not entirely competent.
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  1. Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) April 1 2022 14: 25
    +2
    Never mind. There, in this "almshouse" with Valka, there is just no one ....
  2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 14: 31
    +3
    This is a lesson that must be learned. The air defense of the frontal zone to the depth of the use of enemy forces and means must be thought out and organized.
    The second lesson is that we are opposed not by stupid Yankees, and not by jumping idiots in embroidered shirts, but by Slavs fighting for their country and their ideals, as they understand it. The states managed to make fascists out of our brothers in blood and spirit, and weapons against us.
    As the well-known American journalist Paul Craig Roberts wrote, Russia, represented by the United States, is opposed by Satanic Evil itself.
    Neither more nor less
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 2 2022 11: 54
      +3
      Even if we stop fighting right now and leave, the losses in many Ukrainian families will complete the transformation of this country into our blood enemy for life.
      Whoever takes our place will complete the sharpening of this weapon.
      There is only one conclusion.
      We will be able to leave only after the complete denazification and re-education of the population, that is
      NEVER in the foreseeable future
      1. Valentine Online Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) April 2 2022 13: 02
        0
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        re-education of the population

        To re-educate the Galicians, whose fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought with us, starting in 1914, and who brought us death and devastation since 1939, and in 1942 they created the SS division Galicia, which created bloody chaos in Belarus, Poland and the USSR is vain work, let the Poles take them away, we don’t need such “happiness” anymore.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 2 2022 15: 11
          +1
          We still HAVE to do it with others, so we will have to do it with these.
          At one time, a much more difficult task was solved in Germany. There is this experience. And there is a historically achieved positive result.
          Non-recyclable process waste is really - to camps or deportation to Poland.
          The main thing is to squeeze to the end and not leave.
          What can you do. These are our shortcomings since 2014. They are on our conscience - we will have to eliminate them. Ahead is the continuation of the battle with the States, so "sweep this problem under the carpet" and leave it in your rear will not work - it's more expensive for yourself
        2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 3 2022 09: 36
          0
          It is wrong to consider 2014 the year of our mistake in Ukraine. Fascism in Ukraine and turning it into a weapon against us States, of course, began much earlier. Long before 2014, camps were set up on its territory to train and educate young people in the spirit of Nazi ideology, society was trained, and informal organizations of this spirit were formed. I remember that we wrote and talked about this in the hope of drawing the attention of the country's leadership to these issues, but in vain. I'm sure the management already had all the necessary information then.
          Probably, the main thing for him was the filling of the budget and the "pods". Intervention in the affairs of a neighboring state and the deterioration of relations with the West were not included in the commercial calculation of big business.
          I would not write about this if it were not for the current negotiations with the fascist regime, with "drug addicts and neo-Nazis" by the personal definition of the President.
          Perhaps the causes of the previous errors still continue to operate.
          The country is already at war with the States, and we cannot make new mistakes, and for this we need a complete awareness and elimination of all the causes of the old ones.
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 1 2022 14: 38
    +2
    It should be noted that in the arsenal of the Russian army there are anti-aircraft missile systems capable of hitting air targets at altitudes of 5 meters above the ground. These include, in particular, the Pantsir-S air defense missile system (for its guns, in principle, there is no concept of a minimum target flight altitude), as well as the Tor air defense system. If the radar station is located on a hill, which, however, is the norm, it is not difficult to detect a low-flying object. Therefore, the words of the senator seem very strange and not entirely competent.

    In my opinion, this is the reasoning of theorists. Rocket 1 piece, TTX says 5 meters, which means it should shoot down. Helicopters, if they fly at such a low altitude, somewhere could hide behind the terrain, forests, buildings. In general, ideal greenhouse conditions do not exist.
    I would like to hear the opinion of professionals on this issue.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) April 1 2022 15: 15
      +7
      This means that it is urgent to draw all the necessary conclusions and work on mistakes, if there is not enough radar equipment and air defense systems in the border areas, then they should be urgently concentrated there in all possible threatened directions, and the local authorities should not be so negligent in their duties, have long been accepted a special situation in all the territories bordering Ukraine, they relaxed too early.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 1 2022 16: 00
        +5
        This means that it is urgent to draw all the necessary conclusions and work on mistakes, if there is not enough radar equipment and air defense systems in the border areas, then they should be urgently concentrated there in all possible threatened directions, and the local authorities should not be so negligent in their duties, have long been accepted a special situation in all the territories bordering Ukraine, they relaxed too early.

        I think first of all it is necessary to conduct an investigation, establish the circumstances, find out what, how and for what reason happened in this case hi
        1. Vdars Offline Vdars
          Vdars (Victor) April 2 2022 13: 13
          +1
          You need to figure it out, in order to avoid this!
    2. wamp Offline wamp
      wamp April 1 2022 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: 123
      Helicopters, if they fly at such a low altitude, somewhere could hide behind the terrain, forests, buildings. In general, ideal greenhouse conditions do not exist.

      What .... relief?
      The object itself was not covered! Staff incompetence...
      Border guards are also clearly to blame. From the heights it was easy to control the lowlands.
      Well, the Central Bank overslept and pissed .... But the border guards are a pancake in general. am
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 1 2022 16: 02
        +1
        What .... relief?
        The object itself was not covered! Staff incompetence...
        Border guards are also clearly to blame. From the heights it was easy to control the lowlands.
        Well, the Central Bank overslept and pissed .... But the border guards are a pancake in general

        Do you have information about the air defense system in the th region? What headquarters are you talking about?
        What are the border guards doing here? belay You are not trifles, the Ministry of Emergency Situations also forgot to insert a piston sad
      2. alex-cn Offline alex-cn
        alex-cn (alexey bakharev) April 2 2022 08: 45
        +1
        Let's remember Rust... relax, now they will twist their tails... and rightly so... the meteor shower, I hope, will be serious.
        1. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
          Piramidon (Stepan) April 2 2022 09: 31
          +2
          Quote: alex-cn
          remember Rust

          The comparison is incorrect. Rust, unlike these helicopters, was immediately spotted, led and even raised fighters to intercept. But to give the command to destroy it, no one had the determination to take responsibility (as if by a hat not to get by analogy with the downing of a South Korean Boeing). And these ukrovertushki trite proshlyapil.
  4. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk April 1 2022 15: 30
    +2
    Nothing contradicts the fact that these verbiage should be armed with captured MANPADS and put on the front line in the night patrols. enough of the cabinets empty talk.
  5. VladMirUkh Offline VladMirUkh
    VladMirUkh (Vladimir Ukhalkin) April 1 2022 15: 41
    +1
    Quote: Dingo
    Never mind. There, in this "almshouse" with Valka, there is just no one .... And there are no fools ... t, they themselves are born ...

    ...exactly, the most useless organ.
    1. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
      Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) April 1 2022 16: 42
      -1
      For you, of course. Like some others who help other people think.
  6. Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) April 1 2022 16: 07
    +2
    I believe that all the highest air defense generals should be demoted to the rank and file and sent to take Avdiivka.
    1. KLV Offline KLV
      KLV (Konstantin) April 1 2022 16: 19
      -1
      Exactly! And put some AwaZ as the head. Let him recruit the rest of the generals from his homies. He believes them!
      1. Awaz Offline Awaz
        Awaz (Walery) April 1 2022 19: 49
        -1
        the army is full of colonels dreaming of becoming generals. After demoting the generals and sending them to the front, these colonels will work much better at times ..
  7. shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) April 1 2022 16: 14
    -1
    Uh-huh, right now, right tomorrow, in each acid tank there are two S-300 divisions, a Katyusha regiment and a Nastyush division.
    You haven't noticed - you can't hear about the work of our air defense systems - either they don't exist, or we try not to turn them on and not to shine unnecessarily ... And Nata really wants this. Very! Feel our air defense and missile defense.
    1. Awaz Offline Awaz
      Awaz (Walery) April 1 2022 19: 55
      0
      it’s just a mess, that explains everything ... Accidentally shot down turntables near Mariupol and a flight of turntables to Belgorod are links in the same chain, that is, sloppiness and chaos .. Before the war, we boasted that we had the best air defense and a bunch of different systems that b secure at different heights, distances and various kinds of targets. They laughed at the American Patriots, but it turned out that at a critical moment there was not enough intelligence to understand that when fighting with a neighbor, you still need to think about the security of your territory and strategically important objects ..
  8. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) April 1 2022 16: 16
    0
    If you flew at night, then this can be understood
  9. Stanislav Rumba Offline Stanislav Rumba
    Stanislav Rumba (Stanislav Rumba) April 1 2022 16: 24
    +2
    But the banderyugi could not replace the blocks of their own or someone else's and draw stars on the sides for visual contact ..... !!?
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 2 2022 11: 26
      +1
      Target identification in war is a set of measures in which several units participate. Everything is coordinated between them. Who, when and where flew out, who, when and where was found, etc., etc. All in cipher. A gap in one, or in coordination, brings success to the enemy. You should not draw global conclusions from a mistake, but the military will draw their own conclusions, you can be sure
  10. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
    Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) April 1 2022 16: 40
    +1
    In my opinion, the author is not competent enough, who did not try to imagine how many seconds a helicopter at a height of 7 meters flies over his head and disappears over the horizon.
  11. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) April 1 2022 17: 08
    +2
    Amateurs can argue whatever they want. But the mayor's office and the local "managers" need to be scolded as soon as possible, the better. And at the same time the owners of this tank farm.
  12. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
    Neville Stator (Neville Stator) April 1 2022 17: 25
    +2
    Alguien deberia dimitir y luego que envien a Siberia.

    Someone should retire, and then send to Siberia.
  13. Neville Stator Offline Neville Stator
    Neville Stator (Neville Stator) April 1 2022 17: 27
    +2
    Hace falta recuperar las tácticas de Stalin con algunos oficiales y generales para restablecer la disciplina.

    It is necessary to restore Stalin's tactics with some officers and generals in order to restore discipline.
  14. Valery Vinokurov (valery vinokurov) April 1 2022 17: 54
    +2
    Relax, that's all.
    I'm sure this tank farm was not even particularly guarded.
    And it was necessary - it was only with a couple of dozen stingers ..
  15. Krasstar Offline Krasstar
    Krasstar (Igor) April 1 2022 18: 06
    +1
    If an explanation is found, then a solution has been found - the Federation Council must take up arms to defend the state border of the Russian Federation.
    Federation Council of the Russian Federation! Have you signed up to volunteer?
  16. hlp5118 Offline hlp5118
    hlp5118 (hlp) April 1 2022 20: 19
    +2
    Fat-assed generals do not draw conclusions. There were already attacks on the villages of the Belgorod and Kursk regions, then they flew / flew to Mariupol and, if not some random policeman, they would have flown away without loss. And now a raid on Belgorod itself.
  17. Magmax Offline Magmax
    Magmax (magmax) April 1 2022 20: 29
    +2
    How could Russia let this happy. Tha whole purpose of the operation was to protect Russia from atacks from Ukrainian ground.

    How could Russia allow this to happen? The whole purpose of the operation was to protect Russia from attacks from Ukrainian territory.
  18. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) April 1 2022 21: 22
    +4
    Quote: 123
    It should be noted that in the arsenal of the Russian army there are anti-aircraft missile systems capable of hitting air targets at altitudes of 5 meters above the ground. These include, in particular, the Pantsir-S air defense missile system (for its guns, in principle, there is no concept of a minimum target flight altitude), as well as the Tor air defense system. If the radar station is located on a hill, which, however, is the norm, it is not difficult to detect a low-flying object. Therefore, the words of the senator seem very strange and not entirely competent.

    In my opinion, this is the reasoning of theorists. Rocket 1 piece, TTX says 5 meters, which means it should shoot down. Helicopters, if they fly at such a low altitude, somewhere could hide behind the terrain, forests, buildings. In general, ideal greenhouse conditions do not exist.
    I would like to hear the opinion of professionals on this issue.

    To cover from a low-flying helicopter, you need to place shooters with devices in a chain (conditionally) at a line-of-sight distance. Establishing a XNUMX hour watch. Or so often arrange more serious equipment. That, neither this nor that, is not real. Breakthroughs were, are, and will be. War is unpredictable. You need to comb through with your reconnaissance capabilities, determine the launch site and disinfect well there. We know the radius of action of helicopters. Check periodically, with a short period of time. Set up agency work. The time will come, the army will move the front and the border will become inaccessible.
  19. Djafded Offline Djafded
    Djafded (Kirill) April 1 2022 21: 32
    +1
    Because they walked along the river, there are a lot of trees, buildings and hills. Ground radar is not able to detect them. Only A 50. Learn the materiel, stupid.
  20. And W2 Offline And W2
    And W2 (And W2) April 1 2022 21: 40
    0
    In addition to the Stingers, there are also A-50U airborne radars - a “mushroom aircraft” or a new AWACS aviation system of 17 pieces.
    The DLROiU A-50 aviation complex can be used to detect and subsequently track air targets and surface ships, alert the control centers of automated control systems of various types of aircraft about the air and surface situation. The complex can be used to control attack and fighter aircraft, its guidance on ground, air and sea targets, as well as to serve as an air command post. Currently, all combat aircraft of this class are part of the air group deployed at the Ivanovo-Severny airfield for the combat use of airborne early warning systems of the 610th Center for Combat Use and Retraining of Flight Personnel of the 4th State Center for Training Aviation Personnel and Military Tests.
  21. tavia Offline tavia
    tavia (Tatyana) April 1 2022 23: 44
    +1
    What is it - the borders are open, go ahead, anyone, even in helicopters, even crawling! Moreover, knowing that beyond the line - the fascist beast is coming out, trained by NATO in 8 years!
  22. Cetron Offline Cetron
    Cetron (Peteris) April 2 2022 00: 52
    +1
    Quote from And W2
    The DLROiU A-50 aviation complex can be used to detect and subsequently track air targets and surface ships, alert the control centers of automated control systems of various types of aircraft about the air and surface situation

    Maybe, but not used - there are few of them and apparently expensive. Americans and Britons hang at the 7/24 border, their oligarchs do not have the most expensive yachts in the world! They transmit intelligence to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in real time. Ours can’t find any points, neither helicopters, nor tanks. Only by chance, when you bury your nose.
  23. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
    Roma Phil (Roma) April 2 2022 01: 43
    +1
    I read information on this topic on various sites. The information is contradictory.
    Firstly, the time of the strike on the oil depot is not clear. Some write that the strike took place on the night of April 1, others even note the exact time of 5 hours 30 minutes, but at the same time, they write that the local printing house "Konstanta" was shelled, in which the windows were broken, the heating was damaged and the printing house remained without light . But they also write that the lawyer of the printing house was slightly injured by a piece of glass. I wonder what she was doing there at half past five in the morning?
    In addition, I think that half past five on April 1 is still quite dark, and journalists find eyewitnesses who saw 2 helicopters with yellow and blue stripes. In addition, they even write that there are two videos on the network with two helicopters flying low over five-story buildings. I didn't find the video on the internet.
    But the opinion of military experts is interesting.
    For example Military expert-analyst, retired colonel Mikhail Timoshenko:

    ..... the helicopters flew at low altitude, so the radars could not detect them. For any pilot, a difficult task is to be at a height of up to 20 m, moving at a speed of 200 km / h, ...... it is not entirely clear which air assets attacked the tank farm. These could be Mi-8 transport helicopters, either transport and assault helicopters, in which blocks of unguided missiles are installed on external suspensions, or "Crocodiles" (aka Mi-24), which are armed with an aircraft gun, a multi-barreled machine gun and two blocks of missiles: guided and unmanaged.

    Aviation expert Oleg Panteleev:

    “In the video frames, despite the low lighting and low image detail, the silhouette of the Mi-24 helicopter is clearly visible: the helicopter has a classic single-rotor design, a characteristic fuselage profile with a massive tail boom, while neither the front nor the main landing gear are visible. These circumstances allow us to state with full confidence that the footage shows helicopters that are not related to the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    Member of the Presidium of the "Officers of Russia", retired colonel Viktor Baranets:

    “.....the Ukrainian military crept up, hiding behind the folds of the terrain, and in areas where there was no forest, the pilots walked at a height of only seven meters.
    Not a single army in the world, not even the United States, has such a radar that could detect this. Secondly, it must be said that the air defense system at this strategic facility was extremely disgusting, it simply did not exist there. Because if it were, these helicopters could even be shot from a machine gun or machine gun. Hitting a gas tank at such a height is not a problem for a submachine gunner.
    And now these helicopters have simply left, although it was not a problem to shoot them down. The incident in Belgorod showed that there was no “elementary organized air defense system,” although the facility is strategic, because there are 16 oil tanks, two thousand cubic meters each.”
  24. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) April 2 2022 09: 16
    +1
    What clever things can be expected from the chamber, where those who managed to save up money to buy a place there are sitting. They will explain everything easily, any irresponsibility. They are part of its creators. So the helicopter is coming out at low altitude and will fly to Moscow and be bombed (Rust flew in) and they will find an explanation.
  25. Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) April 2 2022 10: 26
    0
    this is such a vivid demonstration of the fact that people with low intelligence mainly come to power. And it's not just us. Still, we saw videos of pranksters with the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of England ... Unfortunately, people make grandiose decisions that affect not only life within the country, but also at the global level ..
  26. Choro Kyrgyz Offline Choro Kyrgyz
    Choro Kyrgyz (Choro Kyrgyz) April 2 2022 11: 47
    0
    It is the Yankees and the Agnilians who help Ukraine direct and coordinate work on targets, with their satellites, etc.
  27. Pound Offline Pound
    Pound (Alexander) April 2 2022 21: 30
    0
    The senator is a complete "nevmenko".