What will the peace with the Kiev regime lead to according to the recipes of Medinsky and Abramovich


Some time ago, a wonderful American film was released called Don't Look Up, which is a satire on modern consumer society and a parody of Hollywood blockbusters. According to the plot, a huge comet is flying towards the Earth, a collision with which will destroy all life on the planet. To save humanity, the United States sends a heroic mission to blow up a comet, as it should be, but at the last moment Washington cancels it.


The main sponsor of the presidential re-election campaign, a billionaire, a kind of hybrid of Elon Musk and Steve Jobs, wants to become a trillionaire by controlled blowing up a comet, which turned out to be rich in rare earth metals, and controlledly lowering its pieces to the planet. Naturally, everything does not go according to plan, and as a result, the Earth dies along with all of humanity due to human greed and stupidity. Why are you all this? To the fact that something similar happened the day before in Istanbul.

Recall that yesterday in the former Turkish capital, another round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations on the situation in Nezalezhnaya took place. From our country, it was attended, in particular, by the former head of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky, who at one time was noted for placing in St. Great Patriotic War, and also called on the Soviet people to come to terms with the "White Guard shortcomings." Also, quite unexpectedly from Russia, Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich, a happy owner of Israeli and Portuguese citizenship, participated in the negotiations.

As a result of this round, Vladimir Rostislavovich shocked millions of Russians and adequate Ukrainians, calling the following proposals from Kyiv “constructive”:

At first, Ukraine is ready to remain a neutral, non-bloc and non-nuclear state, refusing to develop weapons of mass destruction, deploy foreign military bases and conduct military exercises with foreign military.

Secondly, the security of Ukraine (from Russia?) will be guaranteed by the permanent members of the UN Security Council, as well as Turkey, Poland, Israel, Germany, Italy and Canada. In general, all our "big friends".

Thirdly, Moscow should not prevent Ukraine from joining the European Union.

Fourthly, the status of Crimea remains suspended, and Kyiv refuses to try to resolve this issue by military means, only in the format of negotiations in the next 15 years. The "Portuguese" Abramovich seemed to even offer Russia to take the peninsula on a long-term lease from Nezalezhnaya.

Fifthly, the issue of the status of "certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions" is generally put out of the brackets until the personal meeting of Presidents Zelensky and Putin.

Yes, a “splendid result” of 5 weeks of a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. And this is the "hanger of memorial plaques" Medinsky considers a desire for a "compromise"?

And this, if I may say so, package of proposals from the Ukrainian side deserves a “drastic reduction in hostilities in the Kiev and Chernihiv regions” as an encouragement?

Is it now, when there is a week and a half left before the fall of Nazi-occupied Mariupol, and two or three weeks before the collapse of the Donbass group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

"Steps forward"


Most annoying in this situation is the complete uncertainty of what will happen in Ukraine next. Since 2014, a bad tradition has been formed in the domestic politicum of thoughtfully remaining silent on fundamental issues, allowing everyone who wishes to independently speculate, coming up with all sorts of “cunning plans”. But if you do not try to voluntaristically look for a double and even triple bottom, but literally interpret the little that the highest dignitaries still say, then the following picture emerges.

So, from the very beginning, President Vladimir Putin stated that there would be no occupation of the territory of Ukraine, but its demilitarization and denazification would certainly take place. The day before, the head of the Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev, once again confirmed the thesis that eliminating the regime of President Zelensky is not included in the plans of the SVO:

The purpose of our special operation in Ukraine is not the change of the Kiev regime, as they are trying to present in the West, but the protection of people from genocide, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.

The head of the Russian Defense Ministry, Sergei Shoigu, summing up the results of the first month of the special military operation, said that its main goal is to protect the DPR and LPR:

The combat potential of the Ukrainian armed forces has been significantly reduced, which makes it possible to focus the main attention and main efforts on achieving the main goal - the liberation of Donbass.

How all this fits together is not at all clear. Rather, it is clear that the goal of clearing the territory of the DPR and LPR recognized on February 21, 2022 by military means is quite feasible, and it will be achieved in the coming weeks. But what will happen to the rest of Ukraine then? How exactly is its demilitarization and denazification possible without a change in the criminal regime in Kyiv and the occupation of the territory with the disarmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard, the Terodefense and gangs?

Yes, a powerful grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas is being destroyed, military infrastructure facilities are being shelled all over the country, but at the same time, a new mobilization into the Ukrainian army is underway, Western weapons are coming through the Polish border. Will we fight to the last Ukrainian whom Zelensky's criminal regime can catch and send to the front?

There are a lot of questions, and they require clear answers. The activities of the delegation of the “conciliator” Medinsky and the oligarch Abramovich are very reminiscent of what happened in the film with which we started this conversation. The fight against Ukrainian Nazism and its international sponsors, at their suggestion, begins to turn into a satirical parody of the Great Patriotic War. Is it conceivable that in April 1945 the Soviet Information Bureau reported a breakthrough, but not the line of Hitler's defense, but in negotiations on the demilitarization and denazification of the Third Reich with German partners and "steps towards" them?

What if…


I don’t even want to think about it, but let’s try to simulate what can happen if the Russian leadership, having liberated the territory of the DPR and LPR, agrees to peace agreements with the criminal Ukrainian regime. The consequences of such a step will have the most severe consequences for both Russian and Ukrainian statehood.

At first, a dangerous myth will arise about how "Ukraine defeated Russia." To date, not a single large city, for which there were stubborn battles, has not been taken. We understand that the RF Armed Forces simply spare the civilian population, but who will care in the camp of Ukrainian propagandists? Aleksey "Lyusenka" Arestovich will mockingly tell everyone that the Russians have not been able to break the "heroic" Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard, using all their "Caliber", "Iskanders" and even hypersonic "Daggers". This will be a very serious image defeat for Moscow.

Secondly, instead of denazification of Ukraine, its maximum nazification will take place. Millions of Ukrainians now hate Russia and warmly approve of the abuse and torture of Russian prisoners of war. Refusal to defeat the military defeat of Nezalezhnaya before its surrender will be perceived there as a victory over our country and its army. Sadistic Ukrainian soldiers will become new national "heroes" there. Adequate Ukrainians and Russians will be forced to emigrate. The situation will worsen dramatically compared to what it was before February 24, 2022.

Thirdly, Kyiv and its sponsors will take a break to prepare for revenge. Here the analogy is complete with the First and Second World Wars, with the exception that the Square has not yet suffered a military defeat, unlike the Second Reich. If Russia agrees to the conditions for Ukraine to join the EU and receive security guarantees from a wide range of countries hostile to us, it will tie its own hands in the possibility of holding an NWO-2 in the worst traditions of "Minsk-1" and "Minsk-2".

Finally, the consequences for domestic political life in Russia itself will be very serious. After the start of the special military operation, many of our compatriots refused to support it. The reaction of the general public to yesterday's statements by the Medina representative of the RF Ministry of Defense, Fomin, showed that many of his supporters would turn their backs on President Putin in the event of an agreement with the Ukrainian leadership. Still, in our country, Nazism has historically been treated extremely negatively, and peace agreements with the Nazis, too. You shouldn't joke with such things. Recall that the next presidential election is scheduled for 2024.

Why are we all this? Moreover, there can be no question of any “compromises” with the criminal Kiev regime in principle. Only complete and unconditional surrender, followed by occupation and forced denazification. Everything else is from the Evil One. You cannot turn the fight against Ukrainian Nazism into a parody of the Great Patriotic War.
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  1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 30 March 2022 11: 56
    +13
    That's it with the same frightened face (as in the photo) and a trembling voice, he voiced the ultimatum of the Ukrainian side on the negotiations throughout the country. No wonder people reacted so violently. Putin needs now, more than ever, to speak out and announce the directions for further action, to reassure the people. And this negotiator should not be sent anywhere else, let him sit in the office and shift the papers.
    1. Russian Bear_2 Offline Russian Bear_2
      Russian Bear_2 (Russian bear) 30 March 2022 13: 24
      +6
      Better dismiss on FIG.
      1. Dingo Online Dingo
        Dingo (Victor) 30 March 2022 16: 12
        +2
        Recycle...
      2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
        sH, arK April 1 2022 10: 11
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        Fire?! It's almost a medal to give!
        I understand, or rather I guess, that scoundrels like Medinsky do not “just like that” remain in the government, and do not “just like that” lead the negotiations. Given their reputation, it is logical to assume that the ongoing negotiations are just a political show, otherwise it is simply incomprehensible to explain many positions! Waiting, for example, for all sorts of hosts who are “late” for us for several hours, the humiliating position of “our” “ptegogovorchikov”, in ties, except perhaps without butterflies and a towel thrown over his hand and a tray in it, but with the phrase “whatever you want, sir” in half bow...
        In general, a demonstration of our "liberalism and shitocracy" to the fullest! Of course, this causes waves of hatred among the people, increases support for the president! But the question is - why do you need such a payment? Don't we see and understand the reverse side of such a coin?! Can the people, who are fools under the yoke of the Nazis, appreciate such a "beauty of the game" ?! And ours?!
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  2. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 30 March 2022 12: 02
    +1
    The only, for the only reason, I accept this action - negotiations - to make a beautiful face so that no one can accuse us of being cannibalistic and destroying everything around. We were invited, we accepted the invitation. They had no trump cards left.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 30 March 2022 13: 46
      +4
      Do we owe someone?
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 06
      -1
      Do you yourself believe in this nonsense?
  3. magdama Offline magdama
    magdama (igor) 30 March 2022 12: 09
    +8
    But who sent this NOTHING to these unnecessary negotiations?! Let him go to work. HANDS! Due to lack of brain...
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 30 March 2022 13: 47
      +5
      He has already earned. At the post of Minister of Education, it seems ... "Cadres decide everything! Isn't it, Lavrenty?" - Here, with personnel and control over them, the GDP is somehow not very ... IMHO.
    2. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 30 March 2022 13: 59
      +8
      ... who sent?! and who can send an aide to the president? Medinsky (complete insignificance and scum) - Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation since January 24, 2020. Actual State Councilor of the Russian Federation, 1st class. Only ... By the way, Mannerheim, together with the chairman of the Security Council, obviously did not hang up the signboard on his own behalf either. Or before the Security Council and the Minister of Culture to the native city of VVP, also some clerk from the Presidential Administration sent? and the monument to Lie, which demanded the nuclear bombing of the USSR, was also opened by non-ordinary clerks and laid flowers and shoved into the school curriculum ...
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 March 2022 07: 16
        +1
        All right, say it.
        1. InanRom Offline InanRom
          InanRom (Ivan) 31 March 2022 23: 45
          +1
          alas, as it is.
      2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 08
        -1
        Chubais, Medvedev, Serdyukov and so on - how is it?
  4. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 30 March 2022 12: 10
    +2
    There are no literary words... Surrender?
  5. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 30 March 2022 12: 23
    +8
    People are waiting for certainty. While the authorities in turn pour into our ears that we will stay here and leave - The population understands - this is temporary. and then again the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the SBU, torture, dungeons.
    The policy should be clear, honest and reliable.
    We are staying, the Benderites will not return! Here's what to say to the people.
    No one will support temporary workers.
    The people will be waiting for the return.
    Duplicity is not in our favor hi
    It is necessary to decide and make the people believe, follow Russia, and not wait for the return of Kyiv power hi
    None! never! will not believe slippery words!
    Clearly! Clearly! Hard! - WE Stay!
    But this is later, let's leave - yes, you go through the forest, the liberators will tell you the population .....
    1. Dingo Online Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 30 March 2022 16: 17
      +4
      ... And rightly so. But do the "individuals" who staged a clowning with the so-called understand this? "negotiations" that they will NEVER be able to wash off spitting in their direction?
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 09
      -2
      Why don't you tell us about our soldiers?
      1. zloybond Offline zloybond
        zloybond (steppenwolf) April 6 2022 21: 53
        0
        We are talking about politicians - it makes no sense to talk about a Soldier in the war - he has an order. This is sacred.
  6. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 30 March 2022 12: 52
    -2
    Nazi Ukraine defeated the oligarchic RF. The saddest thing is that this is not the end. Ukrainians will still come with a war to Russia
  7. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 30 March 2022 12: 54
    0
    these peaceful conversations are just dumping steam in an overheated boiler.

    Now there is a lot of talk about how Russia can finish the operation. Take control of the whole of Ukraine or only along the Dnieper line, with access to Transnistria in the south.

    Opponents of the second option say that "western Ukraine" with its capital in Lvov will be even more ardent anti-Russia, will be pumped up by the West with weapons, will carry out subversive activities in the east, and so on.

    But if you look at it from the other side. How self-sufficient is Western Ukraine economically? All right-wing rabble, corrupt elites, all evil spirits will be there. Will rule there. And this could become a confrontation between attractiveness and living standards, like the GDR and the FRG. If we manage to launch the development of eastern Ukraine, the economic revival, which will be reflected in the standard of living, there will be a contrast with western Ukraine. Will the West support Western Ukraine with money? Yes, but at what level, given the crisis in the west itself?

    Two Ukraine. Confrontation of attractiveness and standard of living. In the end, one part will want to join another. Either he will survive his hatred and settle down within the borders of his state. In any case, everything about Ukraine will be one way or another a question of the standard of living in comparison with either the past or with a neighbor.
    1. Awaz Offline Awaz
      Awaz (Walery) 30 March 2022 17: 30
      0
      Well, 15 million will remain there - it's like Moscow. Europe will not spare money for this and will look very sluggish in about five years, that in the east of Ukraine the destroyed cities have not yet been rebuilt and the people are interrupted by odd jobs and a garden, and the west of Ukraine is stupidly gobbling up the money of European taxpayers, living beautifully and brightly. And then it will still be necessary to think about how it will burp for us ...
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 14
      -1
      If we went to Western Ukraine, the war would have already ended. But for some reason we don’t need it !!! If you don't believe me, follow how our guys took cities in Chern.obl. and in Kiev and why they immediately gave it away, don't be a fool.
  8. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 March 2022 12: 59
    0
    I completely agree with the author.
    There is no reason to convince him otherwise
  9. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 30 March 2022 13: 27
    +1
    I respect you, Marzhetsky.
  10. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 30 March 2022 13: 27
    -1
    the security of Ukraine (from Russia?) will be guaranteed permanent members of the UN Security Council, as well as Turkey, Poland, Israel, Germany, Italy and Canada. In general, all our "big friends".

    I remind you that the permanent members of the Security Council: Great Britain, China, Russia, USA, France.

    Moscow should not prevent Ukraine from joining the European Union.

    So it's Putin who won't let them in? belay Medina promised him a label for joining, or what?

    the status of Crimea remains suspended, and Kyiv refuses to attempt to resolve this issue by military means, only in the format of negotiations in the next 15 years. The "Portuguese" Abramovich seemed to even offer Russia to take the peninsula on a long-term lease from Nezalezhnaya.

    What a pain, Arakhamia never recognized Crimea as Russian crying quite a surprise. And now how to live with it? sad

    In general, Turkey, the sea, strange people say strange things, the public reacts violently, discusses how much a newcomer is wearing Portuguese shorts.
    Everyone is busy with their own business. The minister of culture is engaged in a cultural program, creates media noise. Professionals are currently working in Ukraine. Journalists criticize them all and talk about the drain.

    You cannot turn the fight against Ukrainian Nazism into a parody of the Great Patriotic War.

    Probably, there is no need to unnecessarily raise tension, escalate emotions and equate the operation with the status of the Great Patriotic War. Let's start with the term itself:

    Patriotic war - a just war for the freedom and independence of the fatherland against foreign invaders

    (https://kartaslov.ru/)

    From what kind of invaders are you liberating the fatherland? I remind you that legally we have different fatherlands with them. If you are talking about denazification, then this trash does not pull on foreign invaders. And the scale, despite the seriousness of the "event", does not reach the status of a people's war. Professionals work, one might say a limited contingent. It seems that they are talking about the recruitment of volunteers, but so far it is far from a nationwide scale.

    Even Psaki's colleagues assess the situation more adequately (an article next to the site)

    Any movement of forces around Kyiv is a redeployment, not a withdrawal of troops, so you need to be ready for a large-scale Russian offensive in other regions of Ukraine
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 March 2022 15: 02
      +2
      You, in theory, should be glad that there are still people in Russia who are worried about her fate.
      The fact that they are suspicious of the "murky" actions of the authorities is quite natural. After the last 30 years of internal history, rich in events and surprises from the authorities, this is evidence that our people have retained their minds
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 30 March 2022 15: 32
        -1
        You, in theory, should be glad that there are still people in Russia who are worried about her fate.

        Those who have already left also worry about her, the difference is not great.

        The fact that they are suspicious of the "murky" actions of the authorities is quite natural. After the last 30 years of internal history, rich in events and surprises from the authorities, this is evidence that our people have retained their minds

        First, they are suspicious of any actions of the authorities.
        Secondly, the history abounds with surprises over a longer time period, there is nothing outstanding in this.
        And finally, if you want to assess the degree of reasonableness of the approach and how cloudy the actions of the authorities are, let's just calmly and without scandal discuss the event itself. What exactly is wrong with him and how serious is it. Instead of emotional denunciations of the damn polymer destroyers without trying to figure it out.
        I think this is a reasonable approach. hi
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 March 2022 21: 15
          +3
          Those who have already left also worry about her, the difference is not great.

          You did not understand me, and do not understand (or do not take into account) the phenomena I am talking about.
          I meant - so far they have remained indifferent to the fate of Russia. The indifference that has appeared in many people, after all the disappointments, is more serious than the departure of those who disagree.
          In view of the mass nature of this phenomenon, indifference must be appreciated. This is the only resource for the rise of the country.
          Without it, any “breakthrough” instructions from above will get bogged down in a swamp.
          And the difference between those who left and those who remained, from the point of view of the future of the country, is not as small as you think
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 30 March 2022 23: 03
            -2
            I meant - so far they have remained indifferent to the fate of Russia. The indifference that has appeared in many people, after all the disappointments, is more serious than the departure of those who disagree.

            I understand you perfectly yes Understand me, anxiety is different.
            Once again, I suggest that you calmly discuss what actually happened and whether this is a cause for concern, and if so, how much you need to worry. Does the level of "experience" correspond to the current situation? hi
            1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
              Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 March 2022 02: 34
              +2
              Let's discuss whether it's worth worrying about.
              Everyone understands that if everything is in order with us, we do not need these negotiations.
              Negotiating with the glove puppet of the United States is, by definition, stupid and pointless. It is necessary to speak with the States and no longer in words, but in actions.
              If, nevertheless, we are conducting these “negotiations,” it means that we are conducting them in order to get out of the forced situation in which we have found ourselves, or in which the States have placed us.
              This is all the more humiliating for us because by doing this we ourselves raise the status of a war criminal (our words) to the level of a legitimate leader of the country.
              Since the terms of surrender are not discussed at the negotiations (this is already obvious), it means that we are talking about concessions on our part.
              The consequences of such humiliating agreements are well described in the article and comments.
              And all this is happening during the hybrid war against us launched by the owners of Zelensky (with his direct participation), when we need to "force peace" of our main enemy instead of Zelensky
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 31 March 2022 13: 20
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                Everyone understands that if everything is in order with us, we do not need these negotiations.
                Negotiating with the glove puppet of the United States is, by definition, stupid and pointless. It is necessary to speak with the States and no longer in words, but in actions.
                If, nevertheless, we are conducting these “negotiations,” it means that we are conducting them in order to get out of the forced situation in which we have found ourselves, or in which the States have placed us.
                This is all the more humiliating for us because by doing this we ourselves raise the status of a war criminal (our words) to the level of a legitimate leader of the country.

                An interesting statement of the question, if honestly unexpected. But interesting and extensive. Let's try, although briefly it will probably not be easy, it is possible that what is written will be interpreted not quite correctly. If anything, I hope we will discuss these controversial details in more detail.
                So, it looks like this is the first thesis.

                The very fact of negotiations testifies to the weakness of our position. You can talk about something with the United States, the rest are not worthy of this by definition, the status is not the same and there is nothing to talk about with lackeys. All the rest should tremble and do what Russia commands them. Am I understanding and phrasing correctly? Am I misrepresenting anything?

                Have you ever wondered why we are conducting all sorts of negotiations with the EU? Are they very different? Do you think they are independent? And why have we been negotiating on Minsk all these years? Why did they negotiate in Syria with all sorts of field commanders and tribal leaders? Why did you negotiate with the elder Kadyrov at the time? Was his status appropriate, was he a "handshake" then?
                Why is the US negotiating with, for example, Iran, Venezuela or the Taliban?
                Probably in the same way, the Americans are sure that crushing the upstart Russia is not a problem for them, but the Europeans are sure that they have the right to teach us, otherwise they will show us something.
                There is nothing to talk about with us, we just need to put pressure, even more sanctions, and we will die of hunger. I read what they write in the comments, many people think so.

                It seems that people have a stereotype that we (Russia, the USA, the EU) are powerful and great, to negotiate with someone is a manifestation of weakness and enmity unworthy of us great and powerful. This does not correspond to our current picture of the world. Nevertheless, negotiations are underway, life is more complicated and does not correspond to our ideas and stereotypes.
                Maybe you don't have to be fascinated, you don't have to be disappointed?

                Since the terms of surrender are not discussed at the negotiations (this is already obvious), it means that we are talking about concessions on our part.

                And why discuss the terms of surrender? Why not unconditional? After all, we are great and powerful, why talk with them at all, discuss something with puppets? Or is there something else to discuss? In general, what terms of surrender are you ready to offer them and consider acceptable?

                The consequences of such humiliating agreements are well described in the article and comments.

                Let's see the deal, shall we? In any case, as they were voiced in the article.

                First, Ukraine is ready to remain a neutral, non-aligned and non-nuclear state, refusing to develop weapons of mass destruction, host foreign military bases and conduct military exercises with foreign military.

                What exactly does not suit you here? Do you want Zelensky to write an application for joining the CSTO?

                Secondly, the security of Ukraine (from Russia?) will be guaranteed by the permanent members of the UN Security Council, as well as Turkey, Poland, Israel, Germany, Italy and Canada. In general, all our "big friends".

                Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, has the right to veto, without its consent they can do nothing. That she can guarantee the rest of Canada and Israel is a mystery to me.

                Thirdly, Moscow should not prevent Ukraine from joining the European Union.

                Excuse me how? Putin will give a label to join the EU? Is it all about his will?

                Fourthly, the status of Crimea remains suspended, and Kyiv refuses to try to resolve this issue by military means, only in the format of negotiations in the next 15 years. The "Portuguese" Abramovich seemed to even offer Russia to take the peninsula on a long-term lease from Nezalezhnaya.
                Fifth, the issue of the status of “certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions” is generally put out of the brackets until a personal meeting between Presidents Zelensky and Putin.

                There really is no point in discussing these points there. Is it important for us to recognize Crimea as Russian by them? And they will talk about LDNR at a different level.
                The proposal of the "Portuguese" is this an agreement? He is a Sherpa, a postman who runs with envelopes from one negotiator to another and tells something at the same time.

                Actually about the negotiations themselves. Doesn't it bother you that the Minister of Culture was appointed there?
                Medinsky and the "great politician" Arakhamia are they serious enough figures? Don't you think that this is originally empty talk? Some kind of declarative agreements, imitation of the negotiation process. Do you know whether there were agreements in Minsk, which of them were implemented?
                It's really hard to judge what it is. Perhaps this is a manifestation of internal political processes, such as the appointment of citizen Chubais as a negotiator on green energy. Perhaps a demonstration of peacefulness for the world community. Lots of options.

                And all this is happening during the hybrid war against us launched by the owners of Zelensky (with his direct participation), when we need to "force peace" of our main enemy instead of Zelensky

                Do you think it's time to land troops in Alaska, or let the process go as it goes, will we limit ourselves to economic war and armed conflicts on the territory of third countries?
                1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                  Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 March 2022 16: 46
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                  All the rest should tremble and do what Russia commands them. Am I understanding and phrasing correctly? Am I misrepresenting anything?

                  You're overthinking a little.
                  Since all our problems come from the Shats, they need to be solved with them.
                  The wording is as follows: “All vassals of the States will follow the instructions of their master, with whom Russia must somehow resolve the issue (an example of resolving the issue is the actions of the USSR to prevent the US from unleashing a nuclear war in 1962). It is the business of the master to force his servants.”

                  Have you ever wondered why we are conducting all sorts of negotiations with the EU? Are they very different? Do you think they are independent?

                  Negotiations can be conducted with completely different goals, including for averting eyes ...
                  But.
                  In our central media, from which we, mere mortals, draw information about the “direction of the wind above”, it is openly spoken about the successful achievement of compromises and progress towards the conclusion of these agreements.
                  In other words, public opinion is being prepared for the ACCEPTANCE OF THESE AGREEMENTS BY THE POPULATION. From this, public opinion draws, as always, a conclusion about the decisions taken, but not announced by the authorities.

                  Nevertheless, negotiations are underway, life is more complicated and does not correspond to our ideas and stereotypes.
                  Maybe you don't have to be fascinated, you don't have to be disappointed?

                  So you yourself confirm that the negotiations are underway, not to divert eyes, and not from a good life.

                  Have you ever wondered why we are conducting all sorts of negotiations with the EU? Are they very different? Do you think they are independent?

                  It's a strange way to justify something with previous deeds. As if they couldn't be wrong, relying on the outdated stereotype of having usable remnants of sovereignty.

                  Probably in the same way, the Americans are sure that crushing the upstart Russia is not a problem for them, but the Europeans are sure that they have the right to teach us, otherwise they will show us

                  If you are talking about the war of the States against us, then I am sure that we can crush the "upstart" only by the threat of their destruction, and this, in turn, can only be done by our excellent nuclear weapons.
                  Or do you intend to convince them by negotiations?

                  It seems that people have a stereotype that we (Russia, the USA, the EU) are powerful and great, to negotiate with someone is a sign of weakness

                  As I wrote, negotiating with the glove puppet of the States is an obvious manifestation of stupidity, and since this is done only in a forced situation, weakness takes the place of stupidity.

                  Maybe you don't have to be fascinated, you don't have to be disappointed?

                  People have been diligently charmed for 20 years, replacing real mechanisms with this charm, and you talk about it so easily

                  And why discuss the terms of surrender? Why not unconditional? After all, we are great and powerful, why talk with them at all, discuss something with puppets?

                  The point is the initial status of our counterparty as the head of state, and the status of the agreement as an interstate one. This is, in my opinion, unacceptable. The reason is the fascism of the state, the war crimes of its head.
                  To discuss the terms of surrender, the status of the head of state is not needed. Unconditional? - for God's sake.

                  What exactly does not suit you here? Do you want Zelensky to write an application for joining the CSTO

                  To discuss the terms of surrender, the status of the head of state is not needed. Unconditional? - for God's sake.

                  Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, has the right to veto, without its consent they can do nothing. That she can guarantee the rest of Canada and Israel is a mystery to me.

                  Well, why did we give up the security of today's Ukraine? On the contrary, we would like to reformat it, dena .... and demi ...., and this is impossible without the constant presence of our troops there. Any international organizations will be a hindrance to us, a loophole for the interests of the States.
                  So WHY do we need these guarantees?
                  But instead of a direct path, we get involved in the game.
                  To me, such maneuvers, over and over again, remind me of a game of “thimbles”. An attempt on a “crooked goat” to bypass the need to make a difficult decision. However, conditions change and a delayed decision in the game may not take place.

                  Excuse me how? Putin will give a label to join the EU? Is it all about his will?

                  And again we are talking about what Putin said repeatedly. Complete denazification and demilitarization. This is not possible in 1 year. This is impossible without our armed presence on the territory. Consent can only be discussed AFTER and WHEN.
                  If now, then-either denazification, or consent to join the EU.
                  One excludes the other.

                  Don't you think that this is originally empty talk? Some kind of declarative agreements, imitation of the negotiation process. Do you know whether there were agreements in Minsk, which of them were implemented?

                  We got rid of Minsk only thanks to the recognition of the LDNR and the military operation, having received in response a declaration of war by the West. The West tightly clung to Minsk when it became unprofitable for us. Wow "empty talking shop".

                  Do you think it's time to land troops in Alaska, or let the process go as it goes, will we limit ourselves to economic war and armed conflicts on the territory of third countries?

                  I believe that the glove puppet of the States has already voiced its master's threats against us, calling on the countries concerned to war against us. Quite specific and understandable candidates were voiced. Will we consider each such case as a conflict with a third country, or will we still have to treat this as opening a world conflict on several fronts?
                  Maybe it is worth preempting these encroachments with an appropriate and guaranteed sufficient threat? Maybe even a threat of 1-2 addresses will be enough?
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 31 March 2022 18: 29
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                    You're overthinking a little.
                    Since all our problems come from the Shats, they need to be solved with them.
                    The wording is as follows: “All vassals of the States will follow the instructions of their master, with whom Russia must somehow resolve the issue (an example of resolving the issue is the actions of the USSR to prevent the US from unleashing a nuclear war in 1962). It is the business of the master to force his servants.”

                    I'm not misinterpreting, maybe I didn't phrase it correctly. Let's agree right away, our goal is to discuss, not to quarrel or prove our case hi
                    The wording is clear yes The implementation of the principle is not clear. They spoke with the states, many call it an "ultimatum". We were denied a dialogue, we began to act.
                    How to act in these conditions? Start negotiations with the US on Ukraine? What will it give? How can we convince them to force Ukraine to capitulate?

                    In our central media ...”, they openly talk about the successful achievement of compromises and progress towards the conclusion of these agreements.
                    In other words, public opinion is being prepared for the ACCEPTANCE OF THESE AGREEMENTS BY THE POPULATION. From this, public opinion draws, as always, a conclusion about the decisions taken, but not announced by the authorities.

                    And then you do not know what our media are? laughing They are constantly preparing for something. Who, how and in whose interests is a big question. One channel 1 where crazy aunts with posters in front of the screen are worn which is worth it. Are you as a "population" ready to accept everything they are preparing you for?

                    People have been diligently charmed for 20 years, replacing real mechanisms with this charm, and you talk about it so easily

                    I'm sorry, the message is not understood request If possible, please explain.

                    The point is the initial status of our counterparty as the head of state, and the status of the agreement as an interstate one. This is, in my opinion, unacceptable. The reason is the fascism of the state, the war crimes of its head.

                    The position is clear. And what about the USA? They as the state are more suitable for negotiations? Is there anything immoral behind them?

                    Well, why did we give up the security of today's Ukraine? On the contrary, we would like to reformat it, dena .... and demi ...., and this is impossible without the constant presence of our troops there. Any international organizations will be a hindrance to us, a loophole for the interests of the States.
                    So WHY do we need these guarantees?
                    But instead of a direct path, we get involved in the game.

                    First, there is no contract. Well, it’s not for Medinsky and Arakhamia to sign it. There is a negotiation process. How it will end and whether it will end at all is not clear. The clauses about "guarantors" and accession to the EU are rather Ukrainian, it is unlikely that they were proposed by the Russian side. The mechanism for their implementation is not clear. It looks like an empty declaration.
                    International organizations is it about the UN Security Council? (I'm not talking about others).
                    "Difficult decision" as I understand it, to show the will and certainly put pressure on it, reach the border and dencificate? I don't mind, but not at any cost.
                    If, due to adherence to principles, you have to take by storm right now like Mariupol, Kharkov, Kyiv and further down the list, then as for me the option is not very good. In my opinion, it is permissible to stretch the process for a longer period and thereby avoid many casualties among the civilian population. What to do if the Americans decide to send troops? Go into direct conflict? Not always everything turns out the way we want, the reality does not coincide with our wishes.

                    And again we are talking about what Putin said repeatedly. Complete denazification and demilitarization. This is not possible in 1 year. This is impossible without our armed presence on the territory. Consent can only be discussed AFTER and WHEN.
                    If now, then-either denazification, or consent to join the EU.
                    One excludes the other.

                    Did they agree on the withdrawal of troops? Joining the EU is the mantra of the panheads. Do you think they will be taken there tomorrow, it remains only to bring a certificate from Putin? They didn’t take them before, why will they take them now? This is just rhetoric and nothing more. Like joining NATO in their constitution.

                    We got rid of Minsk only thanks to the recognition of the LDNR and the military operation, having received in response a declaration of war by the West. The West tightly clung to Minsk when it became unprofitable for us. Wow "empty talking shop".

                    They got rid of "Minsk" when they were more or less ready for this. So the war would have been declared by the West 8 years earlier. Since then, some things have changed.

                    Maybe it is worth preempting these encroachments with an appropriate and guaranteed sufficient threat? Maybe even a threat of 1-2 addresses will be enough?

                    Threats have been voiced for a long time and Ukraine is not needed for this. What answer are you talking about? Who should be threatened and how?
                    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 00: 19
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                      The wording is clear. The implementation of the principle is not clear. They spoke with the states, many call it an "ultimatum". We were refused a dialogue, we began to act.
                      How to act in these conditions?

                      I already wrote about my “recipe” six months ago. He stayed the same.
                      Present a new ultimatum to the States demanding, within, say, 5 days, to begin the withdrawal of all their troops from Europe. Otherwise, we start a war against them according to one of our operational plans. Europe and Japan to announce that they will not be affected if neutrality is observed.
                      Fire a warning shot with a nuclear weapon at one of our firing ranges. Depending on the situation, a warning shot could be fired at the Nevada test site.
                      In case of non-compliance with the requirements - to start the "hot" phase.
                      Our fear of nuclear war does not slow its approach, quite the contrary. The USSR understood this well.

                      Are you as a "population" ready to accept everything they are preparing you for?

                      Our people have unmistakable genetic experience in reading such signals.

                      The position is clear. And what about the USA? They as the state are more suitable for negotiations? Is there anything immoral behind them?

                      There is a fundamental difference. By negotiating with the fascist state, which now can and must be demolished, we ourselves are giving it a “second life”.

                      For me, it is permissible to stretch the process for a longer period and thereby avoid many casualties among the civilian population.

                      I totally agree.

                      What to do if the Americans decide to send troops? Go into direct conflict? Not always everything turns out the way we want, the reality does not coincide with our wishes.

                      This is where the weakness of our position so far lies.
                      The Americans must be ABSOLUTELY sure that in this case we will start a nuclear war against them. We have to convince them of this.
                      At one time, this is how the USSR prevented a nuclear war by SUBJECTLY convincing the Americans of their determination.
                      A nuclear weapon aimed at them was placed under their noses. This is one.
                      A warning shot was fired with a nuclear weapon at the test site on Novaya Zemlya. This is two.

                      Do you think they will be taken there tomorrow, it remains only to bring a certificate from Putin? They didn’t take them before, why will they take them now? This is just rhetoric and nothing more. Like joining NATO in their constitution.

                      “Minimalism” in response to the encroachments and attacks of the enemy is not appropriate and stupid. We need to respond to everything, and extremely harshly, without leaving the slightest doubt. This will save our blood in the future.

                      They got rid of "Minsk" when they were more or less ready for this. So the war would have been declared by the West 8 years earlier. Since then, some things have changed.

                      I meant something else. What you call a harmless "talking room" the enemy turns into an effective tool of pressure, if and when he needs it. You shouldn't give him that opportunity. Also, we should not confuse, beyond the necessary, our steps for understanding by our own people, partners and external players.

                      Threats have been voiced for a long time and Ukraine is not needed for this. What answer are you talking about? Who should be threatened and how?

                      For example, Japan simply indicated the threat on their part.
                      Zelensky's speech demonstrated the threat and readiness on the part of the United States to use Japan and others in a single package.
                      As for the answer. The Americans and the Japanese must be ABSOLUTELY sure that in this case we will start a nuclear war against them. We have to convince them of this.
                      I think it will keep everyone else
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 1 2022 07: 33
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                        I already wrote about my “recipe” six months ago. He stayed the same.
                        Present a new ultimatum to the States demanding, within, say, 5 days, to begin the withdrawal of all their troops from Europe. Otherwise, we start a war against them according to one of our operational plans. Europe and Japan to announce that they will not be affected if neutrality is observed.

                        Hard. Are you proposing to start an "operation to force the US to evacuate from Europe", and it will take place precisely in Europe, and Europe itself announce that this will not affect them? I don't think the plan is good. No.

                        Fire a warning shot with a nuclear weapon at one of our firing ranges. Depending on the situation, one could fire a warning shot at the Nevada firing range.
                        In case of non-compliance with the requirements - start the "hot" phase.
                        Our fear of nuclear war does not slow its approach, quite the contrary. The USSR understood this well.

                        I like the idea of ​​training the Strategic Missile Forces at the Nevada test site even less, this is a nuclear war. You won't have to wait for the "compliance with the requirements" after that, this will be the "hot phase", then there will only be a long nuclear winter yes

                        There is a fundamental difference. By negotiating with the fascist state, which now can and must be demolished, we ourselves are giving it a “second life”.

                        Excuse me, but what is the fundamental difference between them? After all, Ukraine is a puppet of the United States, these two countries vote against the UN resolutions on countering the glorification of Nazism. You yourself propose to kick the United States out of Europe using the same methods that are now in the Donbass.

                        This is where the weakness of our position so far lies.
                        The Americans must be ABSOLUTELY sure that in this case we will start a nuclear war against them. We have to convince them of this.
                        At one time, this is how the USSR prevented a nuclear war by SUBJECTLY convincing the Americans of their determination.
                        A nuclear weapon aimed at them was placed under their noses. This is one.
                        A warning shot was fired with a nuclear weapon at the test site on Novaya Zemlya. This is two.

                        Something I do not like the prospect of a nuclear war. Too radical in my opinion.

                        “Minimalism” in response to the encroachments and attacks of the enemy is not appropriate and stupid. We need to respond to everything, and extremely harshly, without leaving the slightest doubt. This will save our blood in the future.

                        Are you talking about Ukraine's "inclinations" to join the EU? Is it extremely tough to threaten to wipe them off the face of the earth if they ask to go there? You didn't get excited? They are not taken there.

                        I meant something else. What you call a harmless "talking room" the enemy turns into an effective tool of pressure, if and when he needs it. You shouldn't give him that opportunity. Also, we should not confuse, beyond the necessary, our steps for understanding by our own people, partners and external players.

                        As I understand it, you are in favor of minimizing any negotiations? The language of ultimatums? And not only with Ukraine? And this is so as not to confuse the people, so that everything would be very clear and precise? You know, in such a position, I see only one plus, the costs of the Foreign Ministry can be reduced, diplomats will not be needed.

                        For example, Japan simply indicated the threat on their part.
                        Zelensky's speech demonstrated the threat and readiness on the part of the United States to use Japan and others in a single package.

                        Someone doubted the readiness of the United States to use Japan? Does anyone have any illusions?
                      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 11: 36
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                        All of you perfectly understood. And I understood. We will back away further to the gate to the concentration camp. And if the President is in the same line with me, he will spread his hands and say: That's how it all turned out. What to do, Alexey, I couldn't start a nuclear war
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 1 2022 12: 25
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                        All of you perfectly understood. And I understood. We will back away further to the gate to the concentration camp. And if the President is in the same line with me, he will spread his hands and say: That's how it all turned out. What to do, Alexey, I couldn't start a nuclear war

                        What concentration camp are you talking about? Is everything getting worse and worse? We are being finished off, is there one last chance to hit us with a nuclear bomb? Are you seriously?
                      4. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 12: 29
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                        Have you forgotten in what circumstances we presented our ultimatum, and what was its purpose? Do you think it's getting better and better now?
                        Is the military presence of the West in the border countries decreasing? Any progress with NATO expansion?
                        Do you take me for a child?
                        The future is being laid now. When they finish it will be too late
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                      6. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 1 2022 13: 04
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                        Have you forgotten in what circumstances we presented our ultimatum, and what was its purpose? Do you think it's getting better and better now?

                        No, I didn't forget No. Follow the link to the meeting of the collegium of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. One of the questions raised
                        http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67123

                        In this regard, I see two points here. Firstly, it is necessary that they maintain this state as long as possible, so that it would not occur to them to arrange for us on our western borders some kind of conflict that we do not need, and we do not need conflicts.

                        And secondly, we must definitely raise the question, Sergey Viktorovich, we must raise the question of seeking to provide Russia with serious long-term guarantees to ensure our security in this area, because Russia will not maybe.

                        Actually, after that they were sent the very thing that you call an "ultimatum", in my opinion you yourself cheated that this is the last and decisive battle, an ultimatum and then we go to Washington. Actually it is not.

                        Russia's proposals on security guarantees, handed over by the US, are not an ultimatum, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a Defense Ministry board meeting.

                        “We already see that some of our ill-wishers, frankly speaking, interpret [the treaty] as an ultimatum from Russia. Is this an ultimatum? Of course not,” Putin said.

                        https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/61c1bc869a7947752ce91e8a

                        This is another episode or stage of the global cold, hybrid (or whatever you want to call it) war and nothing more.
                        What has changed dramatically since then that we only have to brush aside a nuclear landmine? What do you think I missed that I underestimate the gravity of the situation?

                        Is the military presence of the West in the border countries decreasing? Any progress with NATO expansion?

                        Did you seriously expect that NATO would go beyond Berlin or even across the ocean? In my opinion, you initially had inflated expectations, it is not surprising that they were not met.

                        Do you take me for a child?
                        The future is being laid now. When they finish it will be too late

                        If I may say so, then I hold you for a somewhat overly emotional person who takes everything that happens too closely hi
                      7. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 15: 10
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                        If I may say so, then I hold you for a somewhat overly emotional person who takes everything that happens too closely

                        Strange rating. I am a citizen of Russia and my life and the life of my family and our future are connected with it. How can I accept all this "not close"?
                        You know, I feel like I'm talking to a person from a parallel reality.
                        You are fine there. All the way.
                        Here we have a war. Our Lavrov called it hybrid and total.
                        It is easy to relate to all this, in my opinion, inadequately.
                        There is this effect:
                        A frog is placed in a pot of water, the water is slowly heated.
                        The frog does not feel sudden changes and has time to get used to:

                        What has changed dramatically since then that we only have to brush aside a nuclear landmine?

                        In the end, that's how she ends up.
                        Are you out of this pan?
                      8. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) April 1 2022 15: 57
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                        Strange rating. I am a citizen of Russia and my life and the life of my family and our future are connected with it. How can I accept all this "not close"?

                        I meant the events in Ukraine. In my opinion, you consider what is happening almost a battle of all times and peoples, in which the fate of mankind is decided. In my opinion, this is not entirely true and is somewhat reminiscent of the times of civil strife, when individual principalities were at enmity with each other.

                        Here we have a war. Our Lavrov called it hybrid and total.

                        Hybrid warfare is a type of hostile action in which the attacking side does not resort to a classic military invasion, but suppresses its opponent using a combination of covert operations, sabotage, cyber warfare, and also supporting rebels operating on enemy territory. (sorry quote from Wikipedia)

                        Total - universal, all-encompassing.

                        As I understand it, this war is not limited to the territory of Ukraine, it goes on almost the entire planet. And not only in the form of hostilities. The events in Ukraine are only an episode of it.

                        The frog does not feel sudden changes and has time to get used to:
                        In the end, that's how she ends up.
                        Are you out of this pan?

                        Maybe I'm more "thick-skinned" or cynical, you know, I've seen enough of everyone. Perhaps something like that did not notice or did not attach importance. I repeat, I am not trying to quarrel with you, a question without any ulterior motive.
                        So what happened that it's time to launch nuclear missiles?
                2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                  Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 12: 43
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                  And how do you want to save Russia without stopping the enemy?
                  How can you force him to retreat without colliding with him?
                  One excludes the other
                3. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) April 1 2022 13: 12
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                  And how do you want to save Russia without stopping the enemy?
                  How can you force him to retreat without colliding with him?
                  One excludes the other

                  Believe it or not, what is happening with the ruble is much more important now. The dollar and the euro are the Koshcheev's needle. And Ukraine ... we are winding it up to the scale of the battle for Berlin. Actually it is not. By the way, find Ukraine in the picture. This is how Americans see the world, by J. Michael Springman, American diplomat

              2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 12: 50
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                We are being finished off, is there one last chance to hit us with a nuclear bomb? Are you seriously?

                Do you really think that we need nuclear weapons only to avenge our deaths?
                Don't you see it as a means to avoid getting into this situation?
              3. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) April 1 2022 13: 13
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                Do you really think that we need nuclear weapons only to avenge our deaths?
                Don't you see it as a means to avoid getting into this situation?

                A nuclear strike on US territory is not the best way to avoid falling into this situation. No.
        2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 12: 26
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          I like the idea of ​​training the Strategic Missile Forces at the Nevada test site even less, this is a nuclear war. You won't have to wait for the "compliance with the requirements" after that, this will be the "hot phase", then there will only be a long nuclear winter

          First, I made a reservation. Nevada - in a favorable operational environment for this. Our scouts will have to work hard.
          So I think you are wrong.
          Secondly, a single launch and hitting the test site is not yet a nuclear war, not "mutual suicide." They will have to weigh their answer on a pharmacy scale.
          In parallel, decide whether they themselves are ready for "mutual suicide."
          After all, we have nowhere to go - we are at the last line of survival.
          Our first ultimatum and quite fair conditions lie, and await their reasonable approach.
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  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 March 2022 11: 47
    +1
    The people are not an adversary from whom they have to hide their mistakes, but a natural ally and the only force with which they can be corrected and success achieved.
    Stalin, in difficult times for the country, frankly addressed the people and the people answered him with confidence, giving all their strength for the Victory.
    We won't be able to do it any other way
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 31 March 2022 13: 43
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      The people are not an adversary from whom they have to hide their mistakes, but a natural ally and the only force with which they can be corrected and success achieved.
      Stalin, in difficult times for the country, frankly addressed the people and the people answered him with confidence, giving all their strength for the Victory.
      We won't be able to do it any other way

      I take it this is addressed to me? There is a notification, but from whom it is not clear request
      Just in case, I will answer.
      In many ways, you are absolutely right, the people are not the enemy, it seems that everything is decided somewhere out there, but we have nothing to do with it. It's naturally annoying and annoying. yes
      But let's be honest, let's see if it's possible differently?
      For example, we should have announced, dear fellow citizens, that we are starting to re-equip the army, we will develop new models. How do you feel about the development of hypersound? Don't be shy, come and speak, then we'll vote. In my opinion, this "Novgorod Veche" will be an imitation and a circus with buffoons.
      What treatment are you waiting for right now? What should Putin ask us to win? Mobilization to announce and everyone to the front? Or what?
      What specific errors do you mean and how can we help fix them?
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 1 2022 01: 16
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        What treatment are you waiting for right now? What should Putin ask us to win? Mobilization to announce and everyone to the front? Or what?
        What specific errors do you mean and how can we help fix them?

        He himself knows his mistakes, if any. Answer then yourself.
        So far, the country and the people are working in a measured mode, without the mobilization of forces and hardships. Do you think that we can win the battle with the States, and even more so the hot war, by maintaining this regime?
        Do you think that the President will establish closer relations with the people "on the go", when the mobilization of all his forces is required?
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 19
      -1
      No one, my dear, makes a mistake now, everything is very simple, the people on both sides are just a bargaining chip. Everything is very simple and obvious.
  • Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 16
    -1
    Even the United States is hinting at us, only the Kremlin is still unaware.
  • Vladimir Golubenko (Vladimir Golubenko) 30 March 2022 13: 40
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    The complete misunderstanding of the people of Russia was demonstrated by this sislib! Inappropriate and stupid! If Putin does not remove him from everywhere, he risks losing the trust of the people. Mine exactly.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 20
      -1
      I would like to know what Putin has in his head.
  • Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 30 March 2022 13: 46
    +3
    "We did not want to, we were forced, we will not change the regime, we are striving for negotiations, our Western partners will not understand, we are doing what we can ...". The big problem is that in Russia they have lost the clarity of goals in communicating with the people of Russia, Ukraine, the world and the enemy, and have not found an energetic language for this special operation. This is poorly understood in Russia. Not enough energy. Remember in the USSR - "we will win, victory will be ours. Death to the Nazis, the truth is behind us ...". Victory flag...
    We believe in the Russian army. But, with a light and superficial attitude from the rear, such serious things are not done that way. This is not a walk around Ukraine. Information and propaganda work is somehow weak and incomplete. And at this time, a bunch of former partners from the West are calling the President of the Russian Federation, distracting him, loading him with various trifles - knowing that in Russia everything is decided by one person. And somehow officials get lost and swim around.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 24
      -1
      In the meantime, Putin is steaming with partners, our Ukrainians are cutting the throats of our children. I just can’t understand how they were captured, are they walking in nature without the permission of their elders?
      1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
        kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) April 6 2022 19: 31
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        Quote: Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich
        In the meantime, Putin is steaming with partners, our Ukrainians are cutting the throats of our children. I just can’t understand how they were captured, are they walking in nature without the permission of their elders?

        I see "fresh" we have appeared. 6..04 registered and immediately on all topics. fellow
        our Ukrainians cut the throats of our children.

        Very interesting "zaslanets" spoke out! So our Ukrainians or our children?
        Our children do not cut the throats of your ukrams just because they have never been cattle, have not dug the sea and have not given birth to Zeus .. Although you have everything ahead of you! Consider that 30 pennies have already been earned.
        Similar hohlyatsky trolleys, now they are like dirt!
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 March 2022 13: 49
    +2
    This "crooked" situation, to all appearances, is a replica of the familiar, familiar to us, "crooked" approach to problems.
    I think that the distrust of people who are not indifferent to the fate of their homeland, i.e. "their own" is caused precisely by this "crookedness". Behind the "cunning" political maneuvers, the main thing is lost - their understanding and trust. And what about the understanding of our external partners?
    Why, in fact, can not be directly?
    Ancient Chinese wisdom says:

    You can't block a straight line

    The builder would say:

    You can't build a normal house on a "crooked" foundation
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 26
      -1
      You turned down something Chinese, did you understand it yourself?
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) April 6 2022 17: 50
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        Are you so accustomed to the curve that you don’t understand the meaning anymore?
  • Gora. Offline Gora.
    Gora. (EGOR. ) 30 March 2022 14: 33
    +3
    If we accept and apply the Medinsky agreements, this means that we have turned on the back, and the deaths of young boys mean nothing, this is a collapse for Russia, and the triumph of the West. Was it worth it to start?
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 27
      -1
      Naive people, Ivanov said one phrase. And where is Ivanov?
  • erased Offline erased
    erased (Stehr - Former Marshal in Nature) 30 March 2022 14: 38
    -5
    Decisions are made not in Moskvabad, but elsewhere. What these negotiators are told, they do. The goal is not an operation on the outskirts, but the destruction of the Russian Federation. So everything is going according to plan, everything is fine.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 30
      -1
      The only thing is, where is Putin, isn't everything too serious? For you, on the transfer of Solovyov, look for Shakhnazarov, isn't it a weather vane?
  • maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 30 March 2022 15: 06
    +5
    I look at these faces and wildly regret that there is no comrade Beria!
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 32
      -1
      As history has shown, Beria without Stalin .....
  • Veniamin Offline Veniamin
    Veniamin (Benjamin) 30 March 2022 15: 07
    +3
    It is not clear why it is necessary to involve Abramovich in the negotiations? Are there not enough diplomats in the Foreign Ministry? Yes, and Medinsky is still a negotiator, a cultural minister.
    1. calagin407 Offline calagin407
      calagin407 (Mechanic) 30 March 2022 23: 56
      -2
      It seems to me that such negotiators very clearly demonstrate Putin's attitude towards these "negotiations". All this is just media noise, nothing more.
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 34
      -1
      What are the negotiations? Easier for the concept - arrow! Abramovich is a guarantor, for Comrade Kolomoisky, you give us Odessa, we give you dividends.
  • Neurocrop Offline Neurocrop
    Neurocrop (Alexander) 30 March 2022 15: 07
    +8
    And again, colleague, we think alike, being on opposite sides of the front line! Believe me, from Kyiv it all looks even worse.
    Thanks a lot for the article! I subscribe to every word, every letter!
    Beat the bastards until Victory, until liberation!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 March 2022 16: 01
      +3
      And again, colleague, we think alike, being on opposite sides of the front line! Believe me, from Kyiv it all looks even worse.

      Yes, I noticed the sync smile Hold on there.
      1. Neurocrop Offline Neurocrop
        Neurocrop (Alexander) 30 March 2022 23: 24
        +1
        We hold on. We wait! We believe!
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 36
      -1
      Naive you my friend! Duck who will let you kill the animal?
  • tavia Offline tavia
    tavia (Tatyana) 30 March 2022 15: 43
    -1
    Or maybe they specifically demonstrated to us what we can expect from all-zamirschikov and compromisers, if we follow the path of opponents of the special operation ??? It is harsh, but it is useful to look traitors in the eyes in a timely manner!
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 39
      -1
      And if we have a traitor and sits very high, won't the eyes close?
  • faiver Offline faiver
    faiver (Andrei) 30 March 2022 15: 46
    +5
    I have already written on the topvar, I will repeat here - Medinsky is not an independent figure, he is a state official in his right mind, i.e. all his words are coordinated with the Kremlin, he does not make any decisions, therefore I do not understand the claims directly against him. He voiced the demands of Kyiv, so what? Is anyone willing to accept them? Or listening to what thread of news on the radio or box do you scold the announcer or presenter?
    The Kremlin will continue to play with a minimum of information for the population, because the times of political games with open cards have passed for a very long time, there is an information war, and you want everything to be laid out in plain text on a silver platter? Kindergarten.
    There are no recipes of Medinsky and Abramovich, there are only Putin's recipes ....
    1. ont65 Offline ont65
      ont65 (Oleg) 30 March 2022 16: 21
      +3
      It is not necessary to cover up the liberal essence of United Russia and the government formed by it with conspiracy theories. After the picture of 'universal jubilation' about raising the retirement age, the withdrawal of assets from the country with the 'noble' goal of reducing inflation (why do you really need extra money), raised taxes on producers, absurd interest rates and other pranks of this tandem of officials with bankers, there is no trust in their games. On the contrary, there are undoubtedly a lot of wealthy people in it who want to return the situation to the starting point, of course, albeit with some costs, but on the whole without fundamental changes. The same exists in the West. They don't see anything positive at the end of the drawn tunnel, that's the point. Hooray-patriotically destroyed the property of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (new echelons are already being brought to the border), shot, stuck the flag of the Russian Federation to Zelensky ... and victoriously marched home with songs. And Putin will be satisfied with a piece of paper with seals endorsed by the "responsible" representatives of the Nazis, which is only fit to wipe. And face will be saved and the status quo will not suffer.
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) 30 March 2022 16: 29
        -1
        I wonder where you saw conspiracy theories?

        cover up the liberal essence of EP

        - what, what essence? where did you find the liberals?
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    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 41
      -1
      I wonder if there was Stalin? Would these recipes help Mr. Putin?
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  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 30 March 2022 17: 24
    -2
    Quote: goncharov.62
    Do we owe someone?

    You live in this world, and you must take into account the opinions of others. The more elephantine you behave towards your neighbors, the more trouble they will bring you. A smart person will not go uphill. Smart mountain bypass.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 42
      -1
      You are right, my friend !!! You would already be in Warsaw.
  • Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) 30 March 2022 17: 26
    -1
    I think that it is not necessary to hysteria on this topic. It is possible that yes, people are beginning to prepare for surrender, but surrender immediately implies the departure of the Putin era. This is what they must understand. Although probably some part of our elite may be preparing for this.
    And although I personally was initially against the war and now I think that the war will not solve the problems and even exacerbate them, but probably, once you got involved, you need to get to some point in order to at least go out with your head up and not so that they would kick you out .. .
    The authorities are negotiating because it is necessary for the media picture, but more so because everything is not going according to plan. I will no longer write what the plan was, because it is now clearly visible to everyone, except for the hard-nosed couch cheer patriots zombied by the TV ... And it’s also unpleasant that all this leads to victims, often unjustified and useless ...
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 46
      -1
      Or maybe Mr. Putin agreed with Mr. Biden about Ukraine, but to be sure, you need to jump in the ring for several rounds, how about a contractual fight of heavyweights?
  • kot711 Offline kot711
    kot711 (vov) 30 March 2022 17: 35
    0
    To date, not a single large city, for which there were stubborn battles, has not been taken.
    Since they can be taken if no one stormed them. The author confuses the words assault and blockade.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 49
      0
      It’s not for us to go the easy way, it was Suvorov who circumvented difficulties in the Alps, and we will break our horns to victory !!!
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 March 2022 17: 37
    0
    Quote: kot711
    The author confuses the words assault and blockade.

    I am not confusing anything, I am talking about how this will be interpreted by anti-Russian propaganda.
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 30 March 2022 19: 00
      0
      Yes, they will soon become a hero and Hitler. You have to understand that there is an information war going on. Although about ,, Azov ,, they are already starting to think. Yes, they began to look askance at refugees.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 30 March 2022 23: 11
      0
      I am not confusing anything, I am talking about how this will be interpreted by anti-Russian propaganda.

      Since when during the war did it become customary to look back at enemy propaganda?
      She will be against us in any case.

      Or you conductor the same enemy propaganda here??
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 March 2022 07: 18
        0
        Or are you the conductor of the very enemy propaganda here??

        Alexei, calm down already.
    3. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 17: 56
      0
      Do not confuse - the murder of our children is anti-Russian, and everything else is nonsense. Suvorov - would have identified correctly, somewhere in Brussels.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 30 March 2022 17: 37
    -3
    Quote: ont65
    It is not necessary to cover up the liberal essence of United Russia and the government formed by it with conspiracy theories. After the picture of 'universal jubilation' about raising the retirement age, the withdrawal of assets from the country with the 'noble' goal of reducing inflation (why do you really need extra money), raised taxes on producers, absurd interest rates and other pranks of this tandem of officials with bankers, there is no trust in their games. On the contrary, there are undoubtedly a lot of wealthy people in it who want to return the situation to the starting point, of course, albeit with some costs, but on the whole without fundamental changes. The same exists in the West. They don't see anything positive at the end of the drawn tunnel, that's the point. Hooray-patriotically destroyed the property of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (new echelons are already being brought to the border), shot, stuck the flag of the Russian Federation to Zelensky ... and victoriously marched home with songs. And Putin will be satisfied with a piece of paper with seals endorsed by the "responsible" representatives of the Nazis, which is only fit to wipe. And face will be saved and the status quo will not suffer.

    If you know how to use export earnings more efficiently, then why the hell are you sitting here and not working in government? Money is withdrawn from the economy, precisely to reduce inflation. If you agreed to work without receiving a salary, then it would be possible to build factories and plants. Nowadays it is five or eight years. That is, for eight years the salary for builders and manufacturers of machine tools and equipment, metal structures of shops goes, and the goods will go when the plant is built. And there will be a return of the dough spent on its construction. What am I talking about? And, to the fact that everywhere, in everything and always with advantages, there are a number of disadvantages. We need quick money returned to the economy. This gives only small and medium-sized businesses. But here you and millions of idiots brought up in the USSR stand on the experience of Soviet life. YOU will choke when you see a decent car and a house from a neighbor. Generations of shvonders and balls are simply bound to die out.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 57
      -1
      You, my friend, are not quite right, in a year our PARTNERS will come and all our Soviet friends and your small and medium-sized businesses will come to an end. You know, the Kremlin loves partners.
  • Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 30 March 2022 19: 31
    0
    The coast of the Sea of ​​Azov and the Crimean Canal should never be under the control of Ukraine now
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 52
      0
      If there is at least 33 sq.m. of Ukraine, do not dream of any Azov and Crimea.
  • Dmitry Otroschenko (Dmitry Otroschenko) 30 March 2022 20: 22
    0
    It was necessary to send Shvydkov to negotiations ... it would have been an order of magnitude more sense.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 00
      0
      You know, with diarrhea, a glass of vodka and a spoonful of salt helps best of all, rather than conspiracies and persuasions !!!
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 30 March 2022 22: 10
    +2
    I beg of you! Do you want to see Medinsky as the next president of Russia, who made a separate peace with the Nazis?
    Or Sokurov with his next vyser about the Great Patriotic War, in which not even one Russian actor began to act, but Sokurov with this next feces will go for a palm branch to Cannes?
    Medina is shit on a stick. Opening the memorial plaque to Manerheim - remember this ....
    Why was this soft guano sent to negotiate? I do not understand. Except for one thing - he was sent so that these negotiations would be nothing! the dog barks, the caravan moves on.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 04
      0
      Interesting, but the caravan went the wrong way! Mistake or betrayal? They also slit the throats of our children. How many? And who will answer, you do not know?
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 30 March 2022 23: 02
    -2
    Recall that yesterday in the former Turkish capital, another round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations on the situation in Nezalezhnaya took place.

    Forget it, like a petty misunderstanding.
    Although yesterday all the all-propellers registered on the forum did open up.
    60% percent never met in discussions at all.
    And then such "mourners" flooded, at least take out the saints ..
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 08
      0
      What kind of negotiations during hostilities? Just an arrow. We know our statehood is a process of redistribution of the property of thieves and bandits.
  • No filters Offline No filters
    No filters (Oaovt VOovlv) 30 March 2022 23: 19
    +1
    What does the former Minister of Culture generally do during negotiations?
    1. shiva Offline shiva
      shiva (Ivan) 31 March 2022 08: 43
      0
      The same thing as a Georgian DJ in a cap on the other side ... They drink mineral water for free.
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 08
      0
      What the owner says.
  • Marfa Guy Offline Marfa Guy
    Marfa Guy (Marfa) 30 March 2022 23: 31
    +1
    They showed an unsightly face of the so-called. "intelligentsia" ((The negotiators were in the wrong place, including the representative of the Ministry of Defense dropping everything :)))
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 49
      -1
      Do not be naive, whoever allows them, it means that one of ours or theirs needs it. Nobody sneezes without permission.
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 09
      0
      Can you imagine how you would be answered in Odessa.
  • Krilion Offline Krilion
    Krilion (Krilion) 31 March 2022 02: 38
    +2
    I have a feeling that the top leadership of Russia, headed by Putin, themselves do not understand what to do next .. the initial goals announced are complete profanity and fake, just if you just try to comprehend them ... there is no other way but the complete occupation and annexation of all territories there is no longer any left for Russia and there can be no other way .. any other decision is the defeat of Russia with grave consequences .. some will appear immediately, the rest in the distant perspective but will still be inevitable .. in place of the remnants of Ukraine, if this state is preserved, Nazism will revive in the most terrible forms .. Ukraine must be liquidated as a state ...
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 31 March 2022 12: 28
      0
      I support 100500%, but while the Kremlin has not yet matured, this is comparable to the situation in 2014, then there were no problems to restore order on the outskirts, but the Kremlin gave back, now it seems to have matured and realized that the outskirts are already a real threat to Russia, but having received resistance, I decided to give back again, but the next war will already be on the territory of the Russian Federation and it will be completely different. As they say, if Russia retreats, it will receive both shame and war
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 18
      -1
      I completely agree, Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky may have clarified, but he died inopportunely. I believe Putin, but when I hear about the negotiations, I remember the fairy tale about the Baba Yaga who heats the stove for Vovochka.
    3. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 44
      -1
      Even the West already agrees, but wants to fight a little, but we do not agree with the United States, we need Kyiv, which will forever get rid of the Nazis on its own, like a dog from fleas, I also don’t know why we all suffer so much?
    4. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 47
      -1
      You understand that you think so, but Putin does not allow such self-thinking, the example of Ivanov.
    5. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 12
      0
      You know how we are fighting now, we are far from any prospect.
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  • Krilion Offline Krilion
    Krilion (Krilion) 31 March 2022 07: 05
    +2
    it is now obvious that Putin's statement about the absence of an intention to occupy Ukraine was an integral part of the "easy" scenario for the development of events. however, the situation has changed a lot and now it is already obvious that without the occupation of the entire territory of Ukraine it is impossible to achieve the set goals of the operation .. it is impossible to leave Ukraine as a state entity at all .. ukraine must be liquidated, and its territories annexed to Russia as separate provinces .. and what As for Medina, this is another mistake of the Russian leadership .. this person, after tricks with a memorial plaque in honor of Mannerheim, should generally be thrown out of Russian politics .. an insignificant, miserable type ...
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 22
      -1
      Do not be naive, Ivanov was no match for Medinsky, but he died politically immediately, and Medinsky squints and squints, why does Putin need this?
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 16
      0
      What kind of occupation? What state? Where are the papers, printing, etc.? History should be studied from the first grade, two lessons a day, especially for deputies.
  • Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 31 March 2022 08: 32
    0
    I am most struck by the silence of our leaders, the military and others.
    There is some talk about the first phase. Clearly, they pick up the rationale for the situation, and do not tell us the original plan. If we believe the information about the first phase, then we would not see any attempts to seize Kharkiv in an impudent manner and pincer Kyiv as much as possible.
    The fettering of the troops that we are told about, I think it happens in some other way.
    They would say frankly, yes, there was such and such a miscalculation, we took this into account and will continue to smash the Armed Forces of Ukraine until complete surrender. It would be much easier for people. And now we have to fill this information void with conjectures and conspiracy theories.
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 38
      -1
      Don't you think that for some reason a quick victory is not needed?
    2. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 18: 56
      0
      Did you go through history at school? If the enemy took Moscow or came close to it, then we won. Poles, French, Germans, Tatars_a good example. for a day? This is of course a stupid joke, but I would like to know who is in command? Whom to congratulate or judge? This is quite serious. And Putin is stubbornly silent. the impression that they are fighting with gangs-DNR, LNR, our companies, platoons and individual soldiers who are taken prisoner, as well as Chechen fighters, I don’t know how many they are fighting, but our brave artillerymen are hitting without a miss, etc. and etc. You can imagine imagine such anarchy in the Great Patriotic War. In short, just Brownian motion. Forgive me, sons of soldiers and officers, that I can’t help you in any way. Now I know that those who say that torture cannot be endured, would endure for a hundred years to save at least one soldier ,not I would only endure it, but considered it an honor. I am writing and crying. Forgive my sons, ours will always defeat adversaries on this side and on that one, it was and will be so !!!
  • Khaertdinov Radik (Radik Khaertdinov) 31 March 2022 09: 29
    +1
    Who appointed them negotiators? The Ukrainians forced the first one to "manipulate", the second one is ready to sell everything for money! Forest both away from negotiations!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 March 2022 17: 42
      +1
      Medinsky is an aide to President Putin. They write that Putin personally asked Abramovich to participate in the negotiations. Something like this.
      1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 23
        -1
        Does not resemble an arrow, under the supervision of authority.
  • 55demobilization (Alexander) 31 March 2022 09: 56
    0
    I remember there was such an ambassador of the Russian Federation in Ukraine - Zurabov, now here is such a negotiator from the Russian Federation. What tasks have been set for the appointed officials - to somehow show themselves and their talents, taking into account the national interests of the Russian Federation. That is, what is ahead - a horse or a cart ?!
    Further, the project of Austria-Hungary to create Ukrainians will continue to exist ... questions, questions ...
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 36
      -1
      Stalin sets the task for Hitler - to destroy all Nazis in Germany!!! For this, he will leave Germany alone and give a part of the USSR as a gift !!! If you believe in it now, then I am calm for the West.
  • isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 31 March 2022 10: 22
    0
    I admit that it was the United Jewish Community of Ukraine that gathered all interested persons in Turkey. Chubais, it seems, rushed there, to Turkey. Abramovich did not deprive the negotiation process of his attention...

    So there was information on TV that the Bandera people were using the synagogue for other purposes. Maybe this is a reminder with a threat that the agreements must be respected?

    There is a lot of uncertainty about these negotiations, starting with the negotiators themselves. smile
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 24
      -1
      You are certainly right.
  • Chel from Chel Offline Chel from Chel
    Chel from Chel (Person) 31 March 2022 11: 13
    +1
    Great writing, AUTHOR!!
  • Chel from Chel Offline Chel from Chel
    Chel from Chel (Person) 31 March 2022 11: 14
    +2
    Not one step back!!! Only victory! Winners are not judged!
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 19: 01
      0
      What a brave one!!! Who will let you?
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  • Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 08
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    Gentlemen, comrades, you need to understand that Putin is not the person who tolerates mongrel like Medinsky near him, he is not stupid Khrushchev, not the dictator Stalin, not the traitor Gorbachev, not ... Lenin !!! Who is he? Any general will tell you that with our military potential, Ukraine would have held out for two weeks, a month - the EU. I can’t understand myself, I know one thing that there will be no prisoners in this war.!!
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 6 2022 16: 30
      -1
      I'm afraid of one thing, Putin does not feel sorry for our children, he would not outplay. Of course, I’m not a strategist, but they don’t fight like that, and it’s not known who is in command, who is responsible for the hostilities, doesn’t it seem strange to you?
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) April 6 2022 17: 04
    -1
    Quote: Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich
    You, my friend, are not quite right, our PARTNERS will come in a year and all our Soviet friends and your small and medium-sized businesses will come to an end. You know, the Kremlin loves partners.

    State capitalism to be. Private means of production under brutal state control Look at China. The private trader more than once pulled out idiots from the economy in the Kremlin. NEP under the criminal Lenin. Shuttles during the collapse of the USSR. Vietnam. The same China. From destroying sparrows as grain thieves to their own food base. From blast furnaces under Mao to the number one spot in steel production in the world.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) April 6 2022 17: 53
    0
    Quote: goncharov.62
    Do we owe someone?

    We must keep our uniform clean. The ragamuffins are kicked out.