The West declared a real “air war” to Russia: how can we respond


Foreign lessors demanded that Russia return to them 500 airliners manufactured by Boeing and Airbus corporations for a total amount of $20 billion. At the same time, 78 aircraft of domestic air carriers have been arrested abroad. The naive dreams of some of our "couch experts" that the West would not act to its own detriment did not come true. It will, because a new war of annihilation has been declared on Russia, and now our hands are also free.


A simple trick with the re-registration of leased liners in Russian jurisdiction expectedly didn't work. Foreign companies-lessors demand their return back and do not meet Moscow halfway on the issue of their redemption. In other words, all foreign airports are closed to such planes, where they are waiting for arrest, except for a few friendly countries. The “nationalized” Boeing and Airbus liners will remain flying within Russia, to Belarus, Iran and Venezuela. De facto, this means a real air blockade. At the same time, the resource of foreign aircraft will be maintained through the so-called "cannibalization" - disassembly of some liners for spare parts to repair others.

The situation would look completely bleak if our country did not have a Soviet backlog in the field of civil aircraft manufacturing, as well as samples of “design thought”, the Superjet-100 short-haul liner (SSJ) and the medium-haul MS-21. Now responsible officials are talking about the resumption of the "transitional period" of the production of Soviet Tu-214 and Il-96 liners and the need for an early import substitution of the "constructors" MS-21 and Superjet. It sounds quite sensible, but the implementation of the case may face serious pitfalls.

So, for example, a few days ago, Kommersant published an article under the telling title “Superjet is glued out of paper.” In it, colleagues, citing their own sources, talked about the problems associated with the implementation of the SSJ-New project, which should consist of 97% of domestic components. Since now this share is just over 30% and the power plant is half made up of French-made components, in fact we are talking about the need to assemble a new aircraft almost from scratch. A sort of porridge from an ax. It is noted that the terms of reference for this project do not indicate either clear deadlines or a specific end result, for the failure to achieve which they may be asked.

In general, everything is complicated, and this story can drag on much longer than it is promised today. The MS-21 project has the same problems, albeit to a lesser extent. Fortunately, a domestic PD-14 engine was originally created for this liner and the share of imported components is smaller than that of the Superjet. There are chances to “finish” it and put it into production, and they are good, but this can really happen in 5 years. fly abroad. "Nationalized" aircraft from Boeing and Airbus are now only for domestic flights. As soon as the MS-214 goes into production, then we will be able to fly it to other countries. And here an important question arises: what specific power plants will be installed on all these liners?

Tu-204/214 and Il-96 use PD-90A engines. They said about them here that they are, they say, “normal, they fly, but not competitive.” The problem is the lower fuel efficiency of Soviet engines compared to modern American and European ones, which became the formal reason for the refusal of domestic air carriers to operate the Tu-204/214 and Il-96. True, the Perm manufacturer managed to develop and certify a more competitive PS-90A2 engine and its PS-90A3 version, but for some reason they did not go into production.

For the medium-haul liner MS-21, a PD-14 was created that meets all environmental regulations and standards. On its basis, a less powerful PD-8 is being developed, which should be installed on a fully localized Superjet, and a heavy-duty PD-35, designed for the joint Russian-Chinese long-haul airliner CR929. However, if necessary, PD-35 can be installed on the wide-body Il-96, 2 instead of 4 PS-90A, which will significantly reduce fuel consumption. An important nuance is that so far the PD-8 and PD-35 are not yet "in the hardware".

So, the problem is: with what power plants is it better to resume the production of Tu-204/214 and Il-96?

In theory, the thought suggests itself of the need to transfer them to modern PD-14s. But for the long-haul liner Il-96, the total thrust of even 4 PD-14s may not be enough. On medium-haul Tu-204/214, these engines seem just right, but remotorization is also not done out of the blue. It will be necessary to carry out R & D, and the liner itself needs some modernization, and this will all take time, and a lot of it. Planes are needed here and now, and not 10 pieces a year, but 30-50 at each of the sites in Kazan and Ulyanovsk. We are now living in conditions economic blockade, if anyone still does not understand.

In the bottom line, it turns out that the liners of Soviet projects will have to be produced in limited series, or blocks, in American terminology. So, the first 10 Tu-204/214 and Il-96 can be assembled with PS-90A engines. In parallel, it will be necessary to start and carry out work on a deep modernization of the liners and the installation of several types of power plants on them at once. It would probably be right to switch to mass production of the undeservedly forgotten PS-90A3, installing them on the second unit of the Tu-204/214 and Il-96. When the PD-35 is ready for mass production, it will be possible to put them on the wide-body Il-96 by 2 instead of 4 PS-90A3, which will give us a truly competitive long-haul airliner. Subsequent Tu-204/214 series can be produced with a choice of either PD-14 for export markets, or PS-90A3 for domestic. The medium-haul MS-14 will also fly from the PD-21.

Summarizing, we get that in the coming decades the country will need a lot of power plants for domestically produced aircraft: PD-8, PD-14, PD-35, PS-90A, and PS-90A3. Will Perm producers cope with such a volume? Good question. If not, then production will have to be scaled up by opening a second or third line. Probably, it will be necessary to use additional production capacities.

Perhaps the Zaporozhye aircraft manufacturing enterprises would also be useful here, to which, after the completion of the special operation, part of the orders could be transferred. However, it makes sense to speak seriously about such options, having assessed the state in which Motor Sich and Ivchenko-Progress will survive the liberation of the former Square. The fate of KhTZ, Azov-Stal and Zorya-Mashproekt does not bode well, which is a pity. Former Soviet enterprises could also work for Russia.
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  1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 25 March 2022 13: 23
    +7
    It's a shame. So squander what was in the USSR and get into complete dependence on the West. Come on, they didn’t know how, they did it no worse ... And now - just laugh. Once one of the developed aircraft-building countries dreams of 10 aircraft a year!!! Tin.
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 25 March 2022 13: 31
      +3
      and after all, no one answered for this .... Some are still in power, others have wives in power .....
      1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 25 March 2022 16: 36
        +2
        You definitely noticed this. Stalin's people's commissars are not visible
    2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 25 March 2022 22: 39
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      Russia is not the USSR, is it really so difficult to understand this? After the collapse of the Soviet of Deputies, all economic ties with the former vassals were cut off and we were physically unable to build aircraft. Gentlemen, the communists raved about the employment of all the hungry in the aircraft industry and made it so that very much was not produced in Russia. And the country did not have the money to order new aircraft, which Boeing and Airbus successfully took advantage of by leasing their aircraft. I remember very well how the production of rotor blades for helicopters began in the 90s, specifically on the Mi-8. It turned out that the glue for gluing the honeycomb compartments to the spar was produced in Armenia. What kind of idiot launched this production there? But the Armenians did not need this glue and they simply closed the plant and at the same time refused to give us the documentation for its production. I had to invent my own, and this time and hundreds of helicopters stood without blades. This is just one example, and there are thousands of them.
      1. ont65 Offline ont65
        ont65 (Oleg) 26 March 2022 00: 57
        +2
        Well, say hello to the anti-communist Yeltsin and his comrades, they knew what they were doing while ruining the country and went for it with an eye to linking to the West quite consciously, if someone did not understand. And now we are all witnessing the collapse of their dreams, no less crushing, and even Chubais set sail in fright.
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 09: 54
          -2
          Yeltsin grew up in the Soviet of Deputies and did as he was taught by the communist leaders. He is a product of Soviet deputies. Can you imagine a country where all laws, all industry collapsed overnight, but somehow it was necessary to live.
      2. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
        Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 26 March 2022 09: 48
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        And why, after that, will we harness ourselves to the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh? -Remember everything - they didn’t give documentation on glue, they squeezed it, let them now dance to Aliyev’s tune ....
  2. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 25 March 2022 13: 31
    +1
    Perhaps Zaporozhye aircraft manufacturing enterprises would also be useful here, to which, after the completion of the special operation, part of the orders could be transferred

    Let me disagree: the fact that they don’t meet with flowers is understandable, Do you think that the author can be trusted with the assembly of engines ...
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 25 March 2022 14: 12
      +1
      It looks obvious that personnel and equipment (spoils of war) are being "dragged" from all these "Ukrainian" enterprises to our sites: Voronezh, Ulyanovsk and Kazan, and not restarting what remains of them after a special operation ...
      Of course, there can be no trust in them, but under the supervision of "competent colleagues" (which is only on our sites), they will do what is needed. This is faster than re-training our own for 4-5 years (after all, our staff is clearly not ideal, since the annual release is several aircraft). Since there is a war against us, we need it urgently.
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 March 2022 15: 08
        +2
        It looks obvious that personnel and equipment (spoils of war) are being "dragged" from all these "Ukrainian" enterprises to our sites: Voronezh, Ulyanovsk and Kazan, and not restarting what remains of them after a special operation ...
        Of course, there can be no trust in them, but under the supervision of "competent colleagues" (which is only on our sites), they will do what is needed. This is faster than re-training our own for 4-5 years (after all, our staff is clearly not ideal, since the annual release is several aircraft). Since there is a war against us, we need it urgently.

        Yes, there is really little left of the enterprises. But you can take shots from those who are adequate.
        1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
          Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) April 1 2022 01: 50
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          And for investments in the expansion of production - 10-30% from the federal budget (gas is now expensive - it's time to invest in the real sector), the rest - through the issuance of bonds for physical. persons with a low, but guaranteed profitability (it will turn out, as it were, project financing without a lining in the form of a bank). And also OFZ has other positive aspects: "crushing" inflation (less money for speculation, buying currencies, buying unnecessary), drawing the attention of patriotic sections of the general public to complicity in creating something important.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 March 2022 14: 52
      +2
      Let me disagree: the fact that they don’t meet with flowers is understandable, Do you think that the author can be trusted with the assembly of engines ...

      everyone wants to eat.
      For aircraft engines, there is a whole range of measures to check their readiness. Well, the leading cadres must be Russian. IMHO.
  3. mark1 Offline mark1
    mark1 25 March 2022 13: 36
    +1
    Subsequent Tu-204/214 series can be produced with a choice of either PD-14 for export markets, or PS-90A3 for domestic

    Sergey, is 14 tons and 16 / 17,5 tons of thrust equivalent to you? PD-14A (15,8 tons), PD-18 (18/20 tons) so far only in the pictures ...
    Closer to life, closer to life, Sergey.
    The only thing that is real, relatively instantaneous, is the increase in production of the original version of the Tu-214 to 30 / 40 units per year, no matter how much Borisov is verbiage. Everything else is years ch.z.5 and beyond.
  4. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 25 March 2022 13: 43
    0
    right now - nothing
  5. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 25 March 2022 14: 03
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    so that we have something to fly abroad.

    As far as I remember, foreign countries closed the sky for Russia. So you can't fly there anyway.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 March 2022 14: 50
      +2
      The West is not all foreign countries, by the way.
  6. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 25 March 2022 14: 05
    +2
    Will Perm producers cope with such a volume? Good question. If not, then production will have to be scaled up by opening a second or third line. Probably, it will be necessary to use additional production capacities.

    There is a situation that already existed in our history in the 20-30s of the last century, when Russia IMMEDIATELY AND NOW needed a large number of factories, qualified engineers and workers.
    The scale of the necessary import substitution in all sectors requires the forced industrialization of the country, and it requires the same forced training of top and middle-level specialists.
    Instead of them, we have prepared a breakthrough of lawyers, economists, managers, translators, and other humanitarians of all conceivable directions, who are still trying to squeeze into the "office plankton".
    Here is the problem and the reservoir of material for its solution.
    How?
    My grandfather was a peasant in his youth, in the 20s he went to St. Petersburg, graduated from the Rabfak and became an engineer at a defense plant.
    Now, instead of a peasant, the Rabfak must be completed by a translator (lawyer, manager, etc.), and so on throughout the country.
    We still need to somehow "drag" people there. Grandfather was forced to become an engineer by a hungry life and lack of prospects in the countryside
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 25 March 2022 22: 48
      +2
      Have you ever wondered why school graduates do not go to engineering universities? Again the President is to blame? Were you not interested in why the majority of schoolchildren do not want to study and work? Again the President is to blame? A generation of horses has grown up, wanting only to consume. Try to find a good fitter for the factory, they simply don't exist. All young people go to mobile phone shops and shops as sellers, no one wants to go to the factory. Again the President is to blame? Or maybe their parents raised them so that they do not want anything?
      1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 00: 17
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        You are talking about the President, not me, but I think that now it is only in the hands of the President: if it is necessary for the country's survival, to make sure that life retrains "office plankton" and makes it useful for Russia
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 09: 56
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          You can read between the lines who is to blame. The President cannot and is not required to keep an eye on every stall or factory. And for life, office plankton is also needed, because they are also busy with something, not everyone needs to carry a stretcher at a construction site.
          1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 12: 02
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            You can read between the lines who is to blame

            You have some kind of mania with this. You still don't understand me.
            Now it doesn't matter who is to blame.
            It is important - what needs to be done and what, or who, prevents this.
            It is important to do and achieve results. At stake is the life of the country. Our life.
            Here we share:
            - you, and others like you, have an "alternate airfield" abroad (or think so)
            - I and the bulk of the population are connected to death with the future of this country
            This is somewhat similar to the struggle of the crew for the survivability of the ship - Motherland
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 19: 50
              +1
              The Government and the President are doing everything to ensure that Russia prospers.
              I do not have an alternate airfield outside of Russia. I have been abroad many times, but I cannot stay there for more than 3-5 days. It's not mine. Although good friends went there for permanent residence. But they dumped it there in the 90s, then many people left Russia out of hopelessness, now they wouldn’t leave, they themselves say it, but it’s too late to return, they took root there. I even go on vacation to Karelia or the Arkhangelsk region, I like it there much more than in Turkey or Egypt.
      2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 00: 47
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        Let me explain my thought. It is necessary to revise and eliminate jobs that are useless for the survival of the country. I think that life itself will now do the main work in this regard, but it needs help. At the same time, jobs must be created in the required volume, which will lift Russia up. In order to keep them busy and feed yourself, you WILL have to retrain. Like my grandfather, and many like him in our glorious history.
        The system of accelerated retraining and education of key specialists necessary for the country must be urgently created and expanded on the basis of the existing
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 12: 11
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          How many jobs you need decide on a particular production yourself. You can create a lot of places, but young people don’t go to factories, it’s dirty there and you have to work. It is more pleasant to sit in the communication salon and trade.
      3. Avarron Offline Avarron
        Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 10: 10
        +1
        Or maybe it was worth giving high salaries to engineers and designers so that their professions would be prestigious? And you know, getting 25-30 thousand for mental work, when sold in the CSN, gets 50-60 thousand stupidly riding on the ears of horses, not comme il faut.
        And now we're noing that there are no creators. They put them up for sale. Take a walk through the Moscow furniture stores, ask around, what kind of education do people have who are stupid all day long on the phones on the empty catwalks of the salons, be surprised.
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 10: 28
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          Another smart guy. Do you know what the wages of employees are? How is it to give high salaries? Salary comes from the words EARNED PAYMENT. it is necessary to earn it, and not to give according to Wishlist. In the DNS, no one has received and does not receive 50-60 thousand, except perhaps the leaders, and if someone does receive, then they really earned them. There is a tariff rate and a percentage of sales. If you walk from corner to corner, you will receive a tariff rate, I do not think that it is more than 10-15 thousand.
          And who is to blame that our engineers are so stupid? Those who graduated from Soviet universities still know how, and the current ones are purely a tribe of horses who want everything at once, and when they come to the factory, they are inferior in their knowledge to experienced hard workers. Instead of studying, they jumped on the squares and have zero knowledge. Not all of course, but the vast majority. I observed at one plant how graduates of universities were led by the hand for 2-3 years and taught. For what merit should he pay a high salary? By the way, in the Council of Deputies, the engineer received 2-3 times less than an experienced hard worker. As I understand it, you did not live then and have no idea about that time. I have a good friend who graduated from the Polytechnic Institute in Voronezh, the faculty of "Aircraft Engineering" in the time of developed socialism. A guy with brains and he was taken to the factory design bureau at an aircraft factory. So his salary was 105 rubles, and the bonus was 10 rubles. Minus personal income tax and a little more than 100 rubles in his hands. A hard worker after a swindle at the same plant immediately received at least 150-170 rubles, I repeat this is a kid who graduated from a vocational school. Who worked for 3-4 years had 220-250 rubles each. This is 1976, the most developed socialism. And after 2 years of work in the design bureau, my friend was added 5 rubles and his salary became as much as 110 rubles.
          And furniture stores are full of people with higher education, that's true. Only their knowledge is zero, many will not be able to add 1/2 to 1/2. Confidently answer that it will be 2/4.
          1. Avarron Offline Avarron
            Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 11: 16
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            Wrote a lot of nonsense. So, you think that an engineer who creates something that did not exist before should earn less than a locksmith?
            Are you going to tell me how much they earn in the CSN? I worked there, by the way. I worked on furniture and was a CNC operator, now I work in production, including designing simulators. And if it takes me a week and a half to design an unfortunate leg press simulator, then those who design aircraft engines and other complex things are generally people of seven spans in their foreheads. And they should be valued not in words, but in money.
            Give engineers and scientists a salary of 150 thousand, and the country will fly like a fly to the heights of science and technology. In the meantime, they are paid 20-30 thousand, it will be easier for young people to earn the same money, sitting stupidly on the couch and staring at the phone.
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 11: 40
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              No, just at the time of the Soviet of Deputies, I thought that it was fundamentally wrong for a hard worker to get more than an engineer. Therefore, he entered VVAIU in order not to get fewer hard workers. By the way, my uncle served in the GSVG, talked with the Germans, and so they had a law that a hard worker could not get more technicians, and a technician more than an engineer. Yes, and all over the world it is, so engineers developed automatic lines, and in our country everything was done by fart steam out of habit.
              You understand, no engineer is able to design an aircraft engine alone. This is just unreal. There is a general designer who gives a general task for the design. The chief designer is appointed, who oversees the development of the engine. In general, hundreds of designers are engaged in this, each designing something of their own, and then the leading designers, together with the chief designer, bring everything together and present it to the general designer, who either approves it or sends it for revision. This is what the development of the engine looks like in a nutshell. And a vocational school graduate is also capable of developing a leg simulator, there is no need for any mind. You just need to look at the prototype and do it a little differently. Connecting a dozen pieces of iron to each other is not a design, but simply a copy of a thing that has been done for a long time.
              You can give engineers a salary of 150 thousand. Shitty question. But how much will the engine cost and who will buy it? You are used to sculpting a couple of pieces of iron with each other and imagine yourself a designer. Generally out of touch with life. Here I want 150 thousand. And what else do you want? List everything at once. Any salary IS EARNED and I believe that very soon all sellers in any stores will begin to receive real salaries, and not those that are now. It will be pretty soon. A couple of years, no more, and in all shopping centers there will be sane salaries.
              1. Avarron Offline Avarron
                Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 11: 52
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                I sculpt pieces of iron and nothing more. I say that it is necessary to invest in young specialists. Even the same wretched simulator the first time is not a fact that it will turn out as it should, you need to make a prototype, try it out.
                I understand that you want to devalue my work, in Russia this is normal. But to devalue the work of a graduate who has ALREADY spent five years of his life mastering the BASICS is just a diversion. It’s a no brainer that he won’t leave the desk as a ready-made specialist. He must understand a lot in practice, how, for example, metal will lead from welding, why the scarf should be 5 mm thick, and the brace is not needed in principle, right?
                There is no need to tell me how things are designed, I know what a design bureau and a chief engineer are. You don't talk to a child.
                If you want to reprimand me from the position of a mentor - be kind to the garden.
                It is not "possible" to give engineers a salary of 150 thousand, but it IS NECESSARY. Because if yesterday's student is easier to earn 30-45 thousand sitting on the couch in the salon than 25-30 thousand behind the monitor at the factory, I think the choice is obvious? And if a future student, opening hh.ru, sees a vacancy for a design engineer with a salary of 60 thousand and a vacancy for a sales assistant in a cellular communication salon with a salary of up to 80 thousand, where will he go? Where you have to spend 5 years of your life with dim prospects, or where you can earn at least the same amount today by spending a week on an internship?
                It's people like you who blew the country, that's why you have to trail behind, forever catching up.
                1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                  igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 11: 58
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                  God! I have seen enough of both graduates of military schools and civilian universities. If until the mid-90s well-trained specialists came, then just some kind of darkness came. Lieutenants came after VVAIU, and the level of knowledge was like that of a soldier after ShMAS. Then, after his retirement, he saw enough of new engineers at the plant. The workers laughed at them. Although there were also very well-trained guys, they were moved up the career ladder.
              2. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
                antibi0tikk (Sergei) 26 March 2022 19: 05
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                VVAIU? Voronezh?
                1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                  igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 19: 32
                  +1
                  No. Voronezh will be VVVAIU. I graduated from Riga. In Voronezh, engineers for the operation of aircraft are not trained, there it is purely for the OBATO and the meteorological department.
                  1. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
                    antibi0tikk (Sergei) 27 March 2022 16: 15
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                    Too bad, I thought I met someone from the alma mater. I graduated from Voronezh VVAIU. just like the weather.
                    only now it is no longer VVVAIU, but VUNTS VVS Air Force Academy, more than 20 faculties. By the way, March 23 was the day of meteorology, happy holiday, whoever is involved!
                    But a colleague in aviation is also happy! if anything, then March 25 is the day of fighter aircraft!
          2. Avarron Offline Avarron
            Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 11: 20
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            "Here are the merits for which he should be paid a high salary" - this is typical Soviet thinking, which is why science and technology are wounded. He needs to be paid a high salary, because he studied at the university for five years, and so that he does not run away into sales. This is an investment. In the West and in IT, they understood this, and even novice specialists in the industry are paid decent money.
            If you don't want to retain and raise specialists, then don't be surprised that you have to work only with crooked locksmiths, because all talented young specialists have been dumped over the hill.
            "Efficient Owl" detected.
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 11: 45
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              You see from a galloping tribe. And you create something to start paying you a lot. And there is no need to move papers from one table to another. Therefore, they pay pennies, what they have earned.
              Something you have not heard about talented engineers who have fallen over the hill. They are very good at home. Hard workers at construction sites, programmers, IT people, that's all.
              1. Avarron Offline Avarron
                Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 12: 08
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                You do not hear about talented engineers who dumped over the hill precisely because they dumped there underestimated "paper shifters" in your words. And there they are grown, there they become talented engineers. And here hehdhunters poach from each other specialists who accidentally linger in the country instead of raising a worthy replacement.
                For an apple tree to bear fruit, it must be grafted, fertilized, watered, no? Or immediately demand from her, because she has not "earned" yet?
                Why didn’t programmers and IT people please you, that you stuffed them on a par with laborers? Do you even know what kind of body of knowledge a person who knows how to program in elementary BASIC has? Do you seriously think that they are born with this knowledge? How much do 3D modelers need to know?
                No, I often meet stupid people who say about the knowledge of another person, "yes, what is there to know something." And you take it and find out. Take it and do it.
                And therefore, as long as the same people are in power ... who do not understand the value of creative labor, Russian youth will continue to go into sales, and we will continue to buy the most modern equipment over the hill.
                Everyone, get off the screen.
                1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                  igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 12: 43
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                  Remind me the name of at least one talented Russian engineer who dumped the West after 1991. It is very interesting to know who he is and what he invented. One scum runs there and there is definitely not a single Russian there. There are only Jews in the family up to the tenth generation.
      4. Awaz Offline Awaz
        Awaz (Walery) 26 March 2022 18: 21
        +1
        I won’t speak for large cities, but I see a good example from life. Work in the alcohol market is about 40 thousand salaries in my hands in the town. The salary in any production in our town is 35. Of course, there are productions with a good salary for workers (well, for the region) in the region of 50-80, but in order to have such a salary, you still need to be able to get a job there, and even if you get a job, you need to work for another two years wages have reached such levels. Young people almost do not work there, because, yes, they are not very eager for quite intense and hard work with an yet unknown result sometime in the future, and not everyone has sharpened hands and screening is cruel.
        Tell where is Putin. The problem is that our salaries are formed on the basis of state employees' salaries. If in the region state employees are paid an average of 25 thousand, even a super duper welder or turner, no one will pay more than 35. Therefore, young people go to shops to sit and play on the phone, getting thirty and not answering for anything .. If we had state employees received decent salaries, then the rest of the chain of employers would also be forced to pay no less, so that the hard workers would not scatter ... I'm not talking about other problems
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 19: 40
          0
          Salaries are formed exclusively from the net income of the enterprise and are in no way oriented towards the salaries of state employees. You wanted to come to the factory without knowing anything and get 50-80 thousand? It's only in a fairy tale. And in real life, you need to master a specialty, get a 5-6 category, earlier than in 5 years you will not receive such a category. Turners are now an endangered profession, as are welders. They are not needed at serial factories, but in small private sharagas they are in demand. I'm talking about simple turners and welded ones. Some of them sharpen bolts on machines, while others weld heads to them.
          What is a decent salary? Is this the one where all your Wishlist is included? Well, look for one, maybe you can find it somewhere. I can tell you that the more profitable the enterprise, the higher the salaries there.
          1. Awaz Offline Awaz
            Awaz (Walery) 26 March 2022 20: 08
            0
            you're not right . Where I work, and this is the regional center of the Kirov region, there was a branch - production near Moscow. In the suburbs, workers hired from the street, mostly guest workers from the east, were paid almost twice as much as we - professionals with many years of experience. Our craftsmen periodically went there to "set up" the production process. Just about Kuevali from the workers, whose skill was only in the fact that in their whole life they learned only to remove snow with a shovel ..
            We, especially professionals, were paid not badly (relatively), but for what they were paid, it was only because the average salary in the market in their region was such. Why is it less for us, because the average salary in the region was one and a half two times lower. The management was also surprised: why are you asking such questions, no one here earns more than you.
            My example shows that they can pay more.
            that's why young people go to sit at the counter for the sale of any offal, instead of mastering a working specialty and receiving an adequate salary in 5 years. He needs to eat, drink and have fun now, not in five years.
            And you are in vain about welders. Go to the shipyards and have a look...
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 20: 46
              -1
              Compared the Kirov region and Moscow. You would have studied prices in the Moscow region first, your eyes would have popped out of their sockets. But all provincials for some reason look at salaries. I live in St. Petersburg and when I visit relatives in Voronezh I see that all products are much cheaper than ours. Therefore, salaries in Voronezh are less than in St. Petersburg. Salaries are high in the Moscow region, even higher in Moscow, but everything is more expensive there.
              Young people do not want to work, so they go to the sellers, but they don’t stay there for a long time either. They expected that they would pick their noses there, but there they also had to work and were on their feet all the time, and the working day was usually 12 hours. And you won't swear. There are leaders there too. I have friends who work at the Admiralty shipyards in St. Petersburg, they earn around 100 thousand, hard workers, though with a good specialty. You won’t get stuck there, they’ll put you out of the gate in an instant. Do you want to tell me that ordinary welders are in great need at mass-produced plants? For what purpose are they there? If only they are connected with plumbing and work in the service staff. In a good production, everything is cooked by automatic machines, not by welders. It was in the Stone Age that they were in demand. Likewise, turners.
              1. Awaz Offline Awaz
                Awaz (Walery) 27 March 2022 07: 04
                0
                so, look, I repeat once again, and your own words confirm that the salary is formed not on how generous the employer is, but on the basis of the average for the hospital, that is, in St. Petersburg the same teachers, health workers already receive much higher than in my district center, Therefore, hard workers are also paid more.
                And about low food prices in the regions - well, you turned down ... The same federal chains work everywhere and their prices are about the same everywhere, and it even happens that it is in remote areas that prices in the same Magnit are higher than in large cities. Prices in the regions are lower only for housing and various kinds of services, because the population has no money.
                And now, if the authorities, headed by the Commander-in-Chief, instead of donating money in the amount of the annual budget of the entire country, would pay doctors, teachers, petty officials of administrations, all kinds of cultural and sports state structures, worthy and adequate salaries and salaries, then local employers would also pay their hard workers salaries no lower than civil servants, or the people would run.
            2. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 26 March 2022 21: 59
              0
              Awaz, even under socialism, brigades were taken on the side to build cottages for collective farmers. They built it, left, and look for fistulas, how much money they received not according to the statement, but for real. If you take the locals, sooner or later someone will let it slip. smile
              1. Awaz Offline Awaz
                Awaz (Walery) 27 March 2022 07: 05
                0
                In my youth, I once ran into such a coven. For two months of work -1500 rubles, with a salary of 250
  7. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 25 March 2022 14: 15
    +2
    What happened today was long overdue. The dynamism of private production, coupled with competition, took second place for Soviet economic management. Plus, completely unfair competition, when, for example, having received, say, for example, a quieter aircraft engine, European standards were adjusted for permissible noise, which made a quite decent car with a Soviet flag on the keel an outcast. Playing by someone else's rules always leads to defeat. If, for various reasons, we cannot compete in this regard, then, say, banning the servicing of foreign aircraft models at essential airports in Russia will put them on an equal footing with us. Technical reasons will not work here, but you can take the weapons of diplomats - equivalence and equivalence ....
  8. Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 25 March 2022 14: 23
    +1
    while in power and in the leadership of ministries there is a number of figures who successfully built the Russian industry into the Western paradigm, ruined what could be beneficial, to say that the country will rise from its knees in the near future is an outright lie
    new talented personnel are needed at all levels of both government and the economy, but, alas, those who ruined are now one of the ardent patriots
    so people rely only on themselves and be optimistic
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 25 March 2022 22: 53
      +1
      What does the ministry have to do with the purchase of foreign aircraft? For example, I am the owner of an AK and I myself, without any ministry, decide what kind of aircraft I need. I will pay for them, not the ministry, and I will choose the most economical and which do not need CWR every 3-4 years. claims must be made to the Soviet ministers, why they did not create competitive aircraft. And in the 90s, Russia was left with nothing.
      1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 08: 23
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        And in the 90s, Russia was left with nothing after the Sovdepiya.

        I became interested. Russia found itself at the broken trough of the party system of governing the country in 1991. Factories and industry remained intact.
        Answer honestly - what was done next for 30 (!) Years and by whom?
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 09: 43
          -1
          What class are you in? To make it clearer to me, how can I conduct a dialogue?
        2. Avarron Offline Avarron
          Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 10: 15
          +1
          Have you been to these factories in the early 90s? Yes, they were intact, but they were rubbish with ancient machine tools and a bloated staff of locksmiths and stampers of shameful quality, who even drank at the workplace. Those factories that had modern equipment and technical process at that time are still alive today.
          1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 11: 00
            +1
            You are voicing a common liberal idea.
            A significant share of production in the USSR at that time was the defense industry and enterprises that produced part of their products for it. I worked in the aviation industry during those years (1982-1991) as a defense engineer.
            I dare to assure you that those models of weapons that Russia is still proud of and that are saving us, we created on fully capable equipment, part of which (where it was necessary) was modern, such was the entire defense industry.
            Many defense industry enterprises simultaneously produced similar civilian products - of the same quality and level.
            No need to lie to people!
            1. Avarron Offline Avarron
              Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 11: 21
              0
              Re-read the last sentence of my comment above, plz.
              1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 11: 37
                +1
                You are again mistaken or lying.
                The network has a long list of industrial enterprises, including the military-industrial complex, liquidated over the years. The degree of modernity of the main equipment did not in any way affect the entry of the enterprise into this list. The reason was the uselessness of their products, even the "undesirability" of their release, with the expected integration of Russia into Europe.
                “Why do we need your shit..e machines, if we can buy all this,” Yegor Gaidar said something like this from the podium.
                The most important thing is that you know all this very well yourself.
            2. Avarron Offline Avarron
              Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 11: 25
              +1
              "Don't lie to people"? If I hadn’t been to the Open Doors Day in 1997 at the first site of the Cheboksary Electrical Apparatus, I wouldn’t have written the previous comment. But I was there and I saw this dump myself. And I was at a couple of factories at the same time.
              Fuel oil, drunk locksmiths and grimy ancient machines, there was no question of CNC then.
              And these are the factories that closed. And the second ChEAZ site, where there was more modern equipment, is still alive and well, like Promtractor OJSC, which then had new automated lines.
            3. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 12: 07
              0
              Where exactly did you work and by whom?
          2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
            igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 12: 06
            -1
            You wrote absolutely right. Today's young people have not seen Soviet hard workers, who were almost all screwed up at work and in the process of work sent messengers to the nearest store more than once.
          3. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
            DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 27 March 2022 02: 01
            +1
            You're lying. Most of the factories (and not only factories, these are factories, workshops, mines, mining and processing plants, etc.) had a fairly good machine park and full tools, confident work teams, new factories in various areas were built, universities worked perfectly, regularly supplying trained engineers. Technical schools, vocational schools and trade schools prepared good mid-level specialists (masters) and workers. It was a SYSTEM! So it was until the mid-90s. Then everything collapsed. Almost instantly When they stopped paying.

            You are either a liar or a provocateur, but you definitely don’t know ANYTHING about the 90s. People like me lived through them!
  9. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 25 March 2022 14: 25
    +5
    Now responsible officials are talking about the resumption of the "transitional period" of the production of Soviet liners

    What such - "transitional"? And then you will buy Boeings again, until the next kidka? "Mistrals" did not teach anything? The West has shown itself to be an unreliable partner, so they can no longer be given strategically important orders. They themselves must build the necessary machines. How many machine tool factories have been built in recent years?
  10. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 25 March 2022 14: 42
    +2
    From paper, airplanes will now be very expensive - a pack of office paper up to 2,5k from speculators. Let it be better from carbon fiber.
  11. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 25 March 2022 14: 54
    0
    samples of "design thought", short-haul airliner "Superjet-100"

    A sample is an exemplary or trial product.
    The Superjet left this category 10 years ago.
    As of March 2022, 221 aircraft have been produced, 201 aircraft have been delivered.
    http://superjet.wikidot.com/years

    Planes are needed here and now, and not 10 pieces a year, but 30-50 at each of the sites in Kazan and Ulyanovsk.

    Hundred a year? Where are you so many?
    For example, the Tu-154 in the USSR in 79-80 and later was produced in smaller quantities.
    https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Tupolev/Tu-154

    Let's say production was increased to these volumes, what to do with production in 5-6 years? Just close factories?

    Subsequent Tu-204/214 series can be produced with a choice of either PD-14 for export markets, or PS-90A3 for domestic. The medium-haul MS-14 will also fly from the PD-21.

    Who will need them in the foreign market? I believe that by this time the MS-21 will be produced. So how and who do you plan to persuade or force to buy the Tu-204/214? How to convince buyers that it is better than MS-21?

    True, the Perm manufacturer managed to develop and certify a more competitive PS-90A2 engine and its PS-90A3 version, but for some reason they did not go into production.

    Maybe the engines are approaching the limit of modernization? The development is well over 30 years old, the PS-90A itself began to be called in 1987, the D-90A was renamed in honor of Pavel Solovyov. It is not advisable to endlessly improve and modernize, time does not stand still.

    At the end of 1982, the state opened a competition for a unified engine for a new generation of passenger aircraft Tu-204 and Il-96. The main competitors in the competition were the engines NK-64 OKB N.D. Kuznetsov and D-90A OKB P.A. Solovyov. The Permians won: Solovyov's engine showed better fuel consumption, lighter weight and lower cost. In connection with the 70th anniversary of Pavel Alexandrovich in 1987, the engine was named after him - PS-90A.

    https://rostec.ru/news/vechnye-dvigateli-i-ikh-sozdateli-pavel-solovev/

    In theory, the thought suggests itself of the need to transfer them to modern PD-14s. But for the long-haul liner Il-96, the total thrust of even 4 PD-14s may not be enough.

    What nonsense. Production has resumed and is maintained "a teaspoon per hour" pending the completion of work on the PD-35. Nobody will put any other 4 engines instead of PS-90A there.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 March 2022 15: 13
      +1
      What nonsense. Production has resumed and is maintained "a teaspoon per hour" pending the completion of work on the PD-35. Nobody will put any other 4 engines instead of PS-90A there.

      I think it's right there in the article.

      But for the long-haul airliner Il-96, the total thrust of even 4 PD-14s may not be enough.

      what are you arguing with? with voices in your head?

      Maybe the engines are approaching the limit of modernization? The development is well over 30 years old, the PS-90A itself began to be called in 1987, the D-90A was renamed in honor of Pavel Solovyov. It is not advisable to endlessly improve and modernize, time does not stand still.

      Or maybe PS-90A and PS-90A3 are slightly different engines? learn the materiel, then be clever.

      Who will need them in the foreign market? I believe that by this time the MS-21 will be produced. So how and who do you plan to persuade or force to buy the Tu-204/214? How to convince buyers that it is better than MS-21?

      The Tu-204SM version is even now quite competitive with Boeings and Airbuses. After the upgrade it will only get better.

      Let's say production was increased to these volumes, what to do with production in 5-6 years? Just close factories?

      Increase first, and then we'll talk.
      Tu-204 is the best platform for creating military aircraft. there is a whole article on the subject
      https://topcor.ru/24643-kak-prevratit-grazhdanskij-il-96-v-zapravschik-a-tu-204-v-vozdushnyj-raketonosec.html
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 25 March 2022 15: 37
        +1
        I think it's right there in the article.
        But for the long-haul airliner Il-96, the total thrust of even 4 PD-14s may not be enough.

        what are you arguing with? with voices in your head?

        Why are you putting them on at all?

        Or maybe PS-90A and PS-90A3 are slightly different engines? learn the materiel, then be clever.

        Of course different yes PS-90A3 is another upgrade of PS-90A. Do you think that these are completely different engines, and the "PS-90A" in their name is just a coincidence? smile

        The Tu-204SM version is even now quite competitive with Boeings and Airbuses. After the upgrade it will only get better.

        Truth? By what characteristics? Where do they register in the queue of those who want to buy it? Who is next after Iran?

        Increase first, and then we'll talk.

        In other words, 5 years is such a distant prospect that they didn’t think about it? Excuse my curiosity, are the numbers "30-50 per year on each of the sites" taken from the ceiling? I understand correctly?

        Tu-204 is the best platform for creating military aircraft. there is a whole article on the subject

        As I understand it, the article on the link is yours and your opinion on this issue is stated there? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion yes
        Probably use for military purposes is a separate issue, I just wanted to clarify how the Tu-204 is better suited for these purposes than, for example, the MS-21?
  12. Their planes should be confiscated as compensation.
  13. Vladimir Golubenko (Vladimir Golubenko) 25 March 2022 15: 24
    +1
    And what is there to guess and cry. The thing needs to be done. Remove all "effective" managers from the aviation industry and immediately replace them with the old leaders of the aviation industry. Even pensioners. There will be enough of them to promote the industry and new ones will grow up nearby. And again, only our "oldies" will be able to sharply increase the releases!
  14. Alexander Klevtsov (alexander klevtsov) 25 March 2022 15: 33
    -1
    Nothing for the next five years...
  15. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
    bsk_una (Nick) 25 March 2022 16: 03
    -1
    Now responsible officials are talking about the resumption of the "transitional period" of production of Soviet Tu-214 and Il-96 liners.

    When will the clerks work? They started talking again. Drive such talkers with a filthy broom. They've been talking for 30 years. Let them take 20 billion for their poverty out of 300 frozen ones, and return the rest later with interest, the later, the more!!!
  16. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 25 March 2022 17: 43
    0
    The situation with the aircraft is understandable. Those who want to master the money allocated to solve the problem are many, and they are ready to divide the money in three shifts. But no one can do it. And the plans are so frail that it's funny: here is a plane, there is a plane.
  17. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 25 March 2022 19: 18
    +2
    The author, don’t you think that all these and other similar speculations of yours will be ruined by quite specific people who ruined the Russian and Soviet aviation industry, that is, the same Manturovs, Chemezovs, Borisovs, who made cosmic fortunes on this “cut” of budget money? Are you aware that Mr. Manturov is the richest official in the Russian government, with the fortune of an oligarch?

    MOSCOW, 16 April. /TASS/. According to the results of 2020, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov declared the highest income among members of the government, earning 740 million 413 thousand 415 rubles and 65 kopecks. This follows from information about the income, expenses and property of officials, the press service of the Russian government reports on Friday.
    A year earlier, Manturov, who also ranked first in terms of income, declared 586 million 22 thousand 58 rubles and 14 kopecks. Thus, his income in 2020 increased by more than 154 million rubles.

    How is that for you?
    It's just an officer!
    And if, the author, you thoughtlessly think that THESE PEOPLE will try for the sake of the people and the state - you are deeply mistaken! They never, NEVER! won't do it. Only in your own pocket!!
    And if we do not unscrew the heads of such "ministers" and officials and send them to prison (and a thief should be in prison!) - NOTHING will move ...
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 25 March 2022 22: 56
      -4
      In the West, people have one very good trait. THEY DON'T COUNT OTHERS' MONEY. And we like to count what is not in our pocket. you count your money, and Manturov will count his own, without you.
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) 26 March 2022 04: 05
        +1
        still, as they think, we recall the assets of the Russian Federation, the blocked accounts of our citizens in foreign banks ....
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 09: 42
          -1
          I meant money from citizens. No one looks into anyone's pocket. It is only in our training manuals that they look for the income of managers.
      2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 08: 38
        +2
        In the West, people have one very good trait. THEY DON'T COUNT OTHERS' MONEY

        So go there to your like-minded people, if you are not already there.
        This is OUR money withdrawn from the country's economy, and this is only the tip of the iceberg of the withdrawal pyramid. OTHERS not money, but these people. The moment of truth has come and the country will have to choose - these people or LIFE and FUTURE
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 09: 50
          -2
          I have been there many times to visit my former colleagues. I don't like it there. But this feature, not looking into someone else's pocket, I really like.
          No one seized your money, due to their complete absence. The whole world lives according to the same economic laws, and this suggests that they are correct. But what was built in the Council of Deputies, it is generally incomprehensible what happened. A handful of communists led great Russia to starvation. Where has it been seen that in peacetime everything in the country was sold by coupons? And you still have the audacity to defend that worthless system.
          1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 09: 52
            +1
            You have the audacity to distort reality.

            Russia found itself with a broken trough of the party system of governing the country in 1991. Factories and industry remained intact.
            Answer honestly - what was done next for 30 (!) Years and by whom?

            You couldn't answer the above question.
            1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
              igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 10: 01
              -3
              It’s not at all difficult to answer, I just need to understand what class you are in. To know where to start.
              1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 26 March 2022 11: 15
                +1
                You have no answer
                1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                  igor.igorev (Igor) 26 March 2022 12: 00
                  -1
                  So a student.
                2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 March 2022 06: 36
                  0
                  Alexei, this Igor is an ordinary anti-Soviet liberal and provocateur. Don't waste your nerves on him.
  18. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 25 March 2022 20: 44
    +5
    And why not just name those who ruined the domestic aircraft industry! 1) Viktor Khristenko at one time held the post of Deputy Prime Minister, said that it was time to close the production of "aircraft that no one needed", that it was pointless to compete with "the best aircraft manufacturers in the world." By the way, this was said not so long ago - in 2009. 2) Valery Okulov (husband of B. Yeltsin's eldest daughter). As the CEO of Aeroflot, he said - “For the time being, I am the chief Aeroflot will buy and lease only foreign aircraft. The country must know its heroes!
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 25 March 2022 22: 57
      +2
      Forgot to mention Medvedev ....
    2. brondul Offline brondul
      brondul (M Bronduliak) April 16 2022 17: 43
      0
      And a certain Gref was at that time the Minister of Economic Development and "saving on our civil aircraft industry by stopping state financing of aircraft production
  19. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 March 2022 22: 33
    +1
    What did they want. Everything is expected.

    You might think that Hitler's passenger planes flew through the USSR, and the passengers of the USSR and the allies - through the Axis countries.

    The stump is clear that there are both backlogs for engines and for aircraft.
    No power. And those who ruined everything are in power, on horseback, and are not going to run anywhere.
    Why get out of the feeder? they are already aces here. because everything will remain the same.

    How many such conversations about the aircraft industry are going on? I remember that the first big wave was near Karaulov.
    But Medvedev took it and lobbied for Boeing ... and several times. Before the Crown, they just wanted to take a new batch - for 50 pieces.
  20. german paul Offline german paul
    german paul (Nikolai Volkov) 26 March 2022 04: 24
    +2
    Our planes will be very competitive if the state reduces the cost of fuel for them compared to other countries by a very significant amount. Then everyone in Russia will win. In addition to oil producers. But they also ride like cheese in oil if they are forced, they will not become poorer.
  21. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 26 March 2022 11: 34
    +1
    Quote: Herman Paul
    Our planes will be very competitive if the state reduces the cost of fuel for them compared to other countries by a very significant amount. Then everyone in Russia will win. In addition to oil producers. But they also ride like cheese in oil if they are forced, they will not become poorer.

    And what, the budget rule has already been canceled? And then I heard something like the fact that the excess profits from oil prices, exceeding the figures laid down in the budget, were added to the egg. From this moneybox, domestic airlines can be subsidized for the purchase of fuel for domestic aircraft.
  22. Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 26 March 2022 16: 54
    0
    Overlaid on all sides. MS-21 with PW is ready, but flights are impossible due to the American side. Science to the Chinese.
  23. Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 26 March 2022 16: 56
    0
    It remains to put the Yak-42 on the wing in an accelerated manner, if they have not yet rotted.
  24. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
    Alexfly (Alexander) 28 March 2022 10: 27
    0
    Apparently, managers were not trained correctly in the country, with the expectation of pocket money, and not for the development of the enterprise ... It's a pity so much time wasted buying and selling, but don't think and do it ...
  25. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 31 March 2022 09: 58
    +1
    It is hardly possible to solve problems of such volume and complexity with the current composition of the government, in which the bulk of officials think not about business, but about drawing numbers in approved report forms, and how to master budgets. We need a radical cleansing and a mobilization economy. And these are only capable of such plans: they say, if you push hard, you can make not one plane a year, but two. Other plans and other responsibilities are needed. In a word, the problem cannot be solved without Lavrenty Pavlovich, who would follow the implementation of plans.
  26. brondul Offline brondul
    brondul (M Bronduliak) April 16 2022 17: 38
    0
    However, the N. Kuznetsov NK-93 engine is a FIFTH generation engine, with a thrust of up to 20 tons, it is confidently suitable for large aircraft, see:
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/they/nk93--aviacionnyi-dvigatel-piatogo-pokoleniia-5d1cbc767f053700b0a83d3d