The Ukrainian question: how many more betrayals are needed for Russia to gain insight?

Recently, in the Russian information space (including in our publication), the version has been increasingly voiced that certain problems that arose at the initial stage of the military operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine were due to betrayal. Specifically, by the fact that certain forces in the “non-collateral” region, which had previously given the Russian side generous “advance payments” regarding possible cooperation during the implementation of this operation, abandoned their intentions and promises, forcing the Russian leadership to literally change their plans on the go. Including - tactics and offensive strategy.

The oligarchs were gathering... For what?

It is difficult to assess the extent to which these statements are true. However, with a great degree of probability it can be argued that they are very similar to the truth. First of all, due to the fact that for the Ukrainian "elite" to "change shoes", change sides and betray (moreover, several times a day) is a completely normal and familiar matter. It can be said that it is a national tradition with centuries-old roots. Let us recall at least the same, not by nightfall, be remembered, Mazepa or Grushevsky. Negotiating with such an audience is completely useless, even if in the process of negotiations its representatives pronounce the most solemn oaths, kiss the cross or, say, some sacred scrolls. All these are completely well-known things, and therefore an attempt to solve, through such characters, the question of, for example, surrendering large cities or even entire regions without a fight would look rather strange.

In addition, the existence of any agreements (or, at least, relevant negotiations), of course, was not confirmed by any of the parties. Nevertheless, we can talk about some very specific points that can serve as a fairly weighty argument in favor of just such a version. First of all, we are talking about the meeting of Vladimir Zelensky with local oligarchs on February 23 at 18.00 Kyiv time (just 11 hours before the start of the special operation). That is, precisely with those people with whom (directly or through proxies from their inner circle) they could only try to negotiate. According to the official version of the office of the Ukrainian president, the event was organized at the initiative of Zelensky, who was impatient to appeal to "representatives of the business elite" with a request not to leave the country in difficult times. However, this is the official version of Kyiv, and its speakers, as you know, cannot be trusted for a penny.

Rather, it can be assumed that on Bankovaya, those who in reality rule and rule the “nezalezhnaya” for all three decades of its existence on political map, turned out to be on their own initiative. For what? Yes, in order to inform the president about the tempting offers received by them. And - to bargain for something for themselves, blackmailing Zelensky with the fact that these proposals can be accepted. The variant is quite probable, especially taking into account the fact that some of the participants in the “skhodyanka” we are talking about stood at the origins of the “Euromaidan” in 2013. And it was arranged just for the purpose of banal blackmail of Viktor Yanukovych. Thus, gentlemen, the oligarchs easily “surrendered” to Bankova the whole plan for the bloodless coercion of Ukraine to peace, thereby torpedoing its implementation.

However, everything could have been different - "VIP-persons" were still invited by the host there, but, of course, not at all for the melodramatic recitation of calls for love for the motherland. Presumably, some time before the start of hostilities, Zelensky received a clear and specific ultimatum from Moscow. So he gathered "the owners of factories, newspapers of ships" in order to inform them of "the most unpleasant news", as well as enlist their loyalty. It is not known what arguments were used in this case, however, according to official data, after a long conversation, only Viktor Pinchuk left Ukraine, who immediately left for London. True, at the same time, private “boards” belonging to both Vadim Novinsky and the richest man in the country, Rinat Akhmetov, immediately flew away from the “nezalezhnaya”. Nevertheless, both oligarchs announced that they remained in the country, and their planes "carry acquaintances and relatives." Well, and of course, Igor Kolomoisky did not cross the borders (according to official information, again). On the other hand, he has nowhere to go, because the American Themis is passionately eager to meet him.

OP for F

Be that as it may, but the same Akhmetov, who until now has tried to refrain from expressing his own position in any concrete form (and preferring to forcefully stuff his money under absolutely any government), no later than March 7 issued a statement in which called the operation to denazify Ukraine "aggression", and the President of Russia - "criminal". This demarche was soon joined by Serhiy Tigipko, who is not only one of the richest Ukrainians, but also a prominent ally of Yanukovych in the past, and later, after the “Maidan”, one of the “oppositionists”. Other oligarchs of the “nezalezhnoy”, presumably, relate to everything that happens in much the same way. By the way, it is deeply incomprehensible whether the Azovstal metallurgical plant in Mariupol, owned by Akhmetov, was turned into a fortified area for the most selective Nazi fighters with or without his knowledge. In any case, Akhmetov's SCM company said that they "mothballed" the enterprise on February 25 - "in order to avoid additional damage."

One way or another, Russia should hardly count on the fact that Ukrainians, who were the richest and most influential until February 24, will support its actions even by a hair's breadth, both now and, all the more, subsequently. None of this public will in any case want to give up their own huge influence. And also - to conduct business according to the laws and rules adopted in Russia - that is, at least relatively honestly pay taxes and not try to convert their own capital into absolute power, at least within certain regions. So if they really tried to negotiate with them (motivating the rich, for example, by the fact that their property could avoid damage from hostilities), then this was done in vain. Before us is a mistake of catastrophic proportions, committed, by the way, not for the first time.

But maybe negotiations on the surrender of the same Kharkov were conducted with a different circle of people? With whom then? With representatives of the "political elite"? Well, it is absent in modern Ukraine as such. Instead, there is a host of absolutely corrupt, phantasmagorically greedy and deceitful professional traitors. Moreover, the real power in the country belongs to the forces whose ideology is based on extreme nationalism and cave Russophobia. There is absolutely nothing to talk about with them. "Opposition"? Well, let's take a look at this subject. So, the only official representative of this political spectrum in the "independent" at the moment is the "Opposition Platform - For Life". OP, who fights exclusively for J. And, sorry for being rude - for her own. The mere fact that one of the prominent figures in this political misunderstanding was the incredibly “reformed” right-winger Ilya Kiva, who was only recently expelled from its ranks (and for “excessively pro-Russian statements”), gives a completely exhaustive description of this, God forgive me, party. How have its members been behaving since the beginning of the operation to denazify the country? Yes, in general, as always.

The former leader of the Opposition Platform for Life, Viktor Medvedchuk, as far as is known, left the place where he was under house arrest, after which he literally vanished into thin air. Disappeared in an unknown direction. Today it is impossible to speak with confidence not only about his presence in Ukraine, but also about whether he is alive at all. Another leader of the Opposition Platform for Life, Vadim Rabinovich, very opportunely turned out to be first in Israel, and then in Cyprus, from where he can’t get to his native land. The vacant vacancy was immediately filled by his co-chairman Yuriy Boyko (while excluding the same Kivu from the party). After literally a couple of sluggish calls to "start peace talks," the "prominent oppositionists," deeply saddened, began the usual process of changing their shoes.

It accelerated especially after the authorities, taking advantage of the opportunities that opened up during martial law, conducted a series of searches at the homes of the leaders of the Opposition Platform for Life and announced that they had found a lot of interesting things - from suitcases with dollars to hand grenades and weapons. After that, those who for Zh immediately proclaimed the primary task of their party "to support by all available means the efforts of the authorities to protect the security of the state and citizens in wartime." Further more.

Personally, Yuri Boyko said the following: “We condemn the aggression of the Russian army against our country. Members of the Opposition Platform for Life are enlisting en masse in the territorial defense in order to protect critical infrastructure facilities, housing of citizens and fight looters!” Being subsequently caught by the muzzle either from the same "terodefense", or from some Nazi gang, this "unbending fighter against the regime" once again loudly declared that "Russia is carrying out armed aggression" against the innocent " nezalezhnoy". The pinnacle of his "oppositional courage" was his refusal to sing obscene ditties about Vladimir Putin. By the way, this particular character has been repeatedly named as the “head of the pro-Russian government”, which Moscow wants to put in power after the completion of the military operation. I really want to believe that this is nothing more than a stupid fake.

In conclusion, I would like to say this: we do not know whether attempts were actually made to make demilitarization and denazification as bloodless and fast as possible, relying on “local elites”. I'm sure we'll never know. In any case, there is no doubt that as soon as the corresponding operation is successfully completed (or even with the onset of a distinct and obvious turning point in its course, after which there will be no doubt about the collapse of the Kiev regime), their representatives will rush headlong to the winners. With assurances of their own absolute loyalty and an expression of utter devotion. And also - an ardent desire to do everything possible to contribute to the "building of a new life" in the liberated territories. God forbid to believe at least one of them and let them in at least a cannon shot to the arrangement of the new state!

Every single party that now exists in Ukraine should be disbanded, together with the parliament, where their representatives pass all new criminal laws. The de-oligarchization of the country is no less important and urgent task than its denazification, especially since the vast majority of Ukrainian rich people are somehow responsible for at least financing the eight-year genocide of Donbass. In a country that will be born on the site of a crushed, like a poisonous snake, “nezalezhnoy” a completely new elite should appear - in no way related to the old one. In any other scenario, new betrayals and losses cannot be avoided.
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  1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 20 March 2022 11: 32
    so that this territory in the near future does not again become, with the help of the West, anti-Russia with its human and other resources, the former Ukrainian SSR must be divided into separate regions, divide and rule, elections and voting should be canceled
    establish control in the republics in the likeness of the LDNR and Chechnya, suppress gangs and marauders with local forces
    all this will take more than one year
    cancel the army completely, only paramilitary police
    restore industry and the economy as a whole (invest Russian resources and money) primarily in the interests of Russia, that is, those groups of industry and agriculture that the Russian economy needs
  2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 20 March 2022 11: 37
    Dear Necrop!

    What are you about!?
    The whole, absolutely the whole "Ukrainian politicum" is slag. There is no one to talk and negotiate, and even more so, to trust someone from this slag - “on political issues”.
  3. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 20 March 2022 12: 56
    one can believe that there were agreements with the government of the city of Kharkov (close to the border), the violation of which led to the destruction of the city. But proceed from the assumption that Russia hoped for agreements with the elite in Ukraine, with the mayors of cities, and built its plans based on this?

    Perhaps Russia was hoping for some manifestation of anti-Nazi uprisings in Ukraine, but Russia simply could not rely on them. Ukraine has been living for a long time in an atmosphere of fear of the regime and its accomplices, the National Security and Defense Council and the Security Service of Ukraine. This fear is animalistic, because you can very quickly and very realistically disappear, disappear into another world. This is the reality in Ukraine today. Therefore, of course, Russia perfectly understood the mood and the real state of affairs in Ukraine.

    Today it is worth thinking about the following facts. If the leadership of Russia were dissatisfied with military affairs in Ukraine, if, as the Gobel choir of the Ukrainian regime cries, the Russian troops were exhausted, they could no longer, then what would have to be done in such a situation?

    Of course get success for propaganda. They would choose a sector of the front, concentrate aviation there, and destroy it, surround some kind of separate brigade, then showing a lot of prisoners.
    Also, Russia would increase military pressure by attracting large forces. But this is not being done. It is not necessary. The RF Armed Forces are acting strictly according to plan, without any illusions. There are no deep breaks to the picture in the news. The main work is going on - the destruction of combat-ready parts of Ukraine (Nazis + APU). These parts must be destroyed (there are actually not many of them). Not just pushed back (this would lead to the need for new destruction of new front lines, stretching of supply lines, etc.). Now the supply lines of the Russian Federation are short, those of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are long. APU equipment on the roads is destroyed.

    Large cities, where many parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis settled, except possibly Kharkov, this is the latest stage of the conflict. No one will take the city now, because. they cannot be cleaned. Do not go to all the apartments in a million city?

    Of course, everyone expects that the front line will rapidly move to the west. Whole factions will be surrounded here and there. All this will happen, but only when the conditions are created. The leadership of the Russian Federation, as we see, is not trying to push through any military successes with brute force or a mass of troops - there is no need!
    1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 20 March 2022 18: 18
      Absolutely agree! Russia does not need to work for show, everything goes on as usual, and even American military experts admit that there has never been anything like it in history, neither in terms of the speed of advancement of our troops, nor in terms of efficiency ...
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 20 March 2022 22: 37
      Disagree with one:

      APU and Nazis

      Now it is a single entity. And this alloy is terrorist troops. TVU. For only terrorists can cover themselves with civilians - cowardly terrorists.
  4. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 20 March 2022 13: 33
    One crest in the forest is a partisan;
    Two Ukrainians in the forest - a partisan detachment;
    Three Ukrainians in the forest - a partisan detachment with a traitor ...
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 20 March 2022 22: 38
      All this is in the past. Now this - TVU.
  5. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 20 March 2022 13: 47
    Not released! No way! Captured and put into one big boat. Which "rarely swims to the middle of the Dnieper" ...
    1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 20 March 2022 18: 19
      and don’t forget to drill a small hole in the bottom in this boat ... let them swim .... like the Somali pirates swam ...
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 20 March 2022 22: 38
      A sort of "Khvilosovsky ship" ?!
  6. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 20 March 2022 13: 53
    ...An alternative to the Ukrainian oligarchs, and ...banned yesterday by the NSDC resolution to all the "treacherous" OPzZh, can only be ...socialist Ukraine under the control of the "non-oligarchic" RF!
    ...Isn't this an idyllic utopia?
  7. In a country that will be born in the place crushed, like a poisonous snake "nezalezhnoy"

    No country should be! Ukraine can only exist as anti-Russia. There must be Russian regions under Russian laws and 40 years of cleansing from Nazism.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 20 March 2022 22: 41
      ...hmm...40? Half of the existence of the Union was not enough for us to eradicate Bandera! And you are forty years old! And a HUNDRED YEARS will not be enough - too much infection has taken root! ... if only under the root? But we are not "the entire civilized community" that "pacifies" the disobedient with carpet bombing! So don't know how....
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 March 2022 15: 40
    What a vague description

    Advances, collaborations, promises, and don't understand what,
    Who gave, to whom he gave, why, what is confirmed, etc.

    But for "Deoligarchization" Yeah, our oligarchs will give it to someone, only in their favor.
  9. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 20 March 2022 18: 39
    In Ukraine, the National Security and Defense Council banned the party of Shariy, Opposition Platform for Life, Opposition Block, Nashi Muraev and others. There is no one to negotiate with - only capitulation))
  10. Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) 20 March 2022 20: 33
    I do not believe in that . It is already obvious that no one will change anything in this territory. As soon as you manage to sign at least some piece of paper, the operation will be terminated and everything will return to normal.
  11. nikolaj1703 Offline nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 (Nikolai) 20 March 2022 21: 11
    The entire territory of the former outskirts is inhabited by KHATOSKRAINIKOM, they do not care what is happening in the country.
  12. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex 20 March 2022 22: 51
    All this is good ... I had only one question for our leadership - WHY, during the entire existence of Banderstadt, did we allow it to grow and develop?
    And now another question:
    Isn't it time to admit "Belovezhskaya conspiracy" as a criminal act before the peoples of the USSR, which must be condemned and declared invalid???
    True, in connection with the past tense, it is necessary to return the territories only on the basis of truly voluntary return to a single state (the former Ukrainian SSR does not have the right to vote - as it has become Nazi ... although a vote ... can be held - purely for interest).
    Although ... you can share it like that ... with the Belarusians - yours after all ...
  13. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 March 2022 08: 14
    After the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass and access to the Dnieper, it is imperative to take the Odessa region. Odessa is an outlet to Transnistria and security on the Black Sea.
    After that, a prerequisite is the creation of loyal administrations in the liberated territories and the creation of new republics.
    The consequence of the second point is the speedy restoration of normal life in the new republics. All forces must be thrown to restore the destroyed.
    The Kyiv area is no less important, but it is not a priority right now.
    1. Completion of the military phase. It consists in the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the east and south of Ukraine.
    2. Creation of new republics.
    3. Restoration of normal life.
    4. Reformatting Ukraine as a non-aligned, neutral, federal state.
  14. Krepyshok Solvychegodsky (Krepyshok Solvychegodsky) 23 March 2022 15: 32
    "To the penates, and not" to the penates. "The penates are the figures of the gods.
  15. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 24 March 2022 12: 36
    It's funny - a lot has been written, but absolutely nothing.
  16. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
    Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) 12 May 2022 16: 15
    Only a person who does not understand what is happening, but who wants to show his arrogance towards the country, can talk about some kind of "enlightenment" of Russia.